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Exactly! I don't know why we are even having this discussion. They admitted that they deliberately picked white girls.....in an area of the country where there is no lack of choice of asian girls......

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I don't think that's quite what they said. I think they picked vulnerable girls from white communities but not just because they were white. Where is the actual quote, I can't find it in the BBC News report.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-unfolded.html

They seem to have targeting white girls because they saw them as more easy to exploit, i.e the background, rather than the colour of their skin. That does add an element of race to it but not quite in the same way as a 'racially motivated crime'. Their race wasn't the motivation but a means they used to find victims who they viewed as easier to exploit. Although I can't find a quote.

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I believe the defendants said it was a racist case because they thought the prosecution, and the judge in the case, were racist.

Guardian

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Exactly. There might be a lot of asian girls in Rochford, but it's going to be a lot more difficult plying a asian (and most likely ) muslim girl who is very likely not to drink or smoke, with alcohol or booze in the first instance, than a young girl who is already drinking or who doesnt see drink as being haraam. It's also going to be a lot harder picking up asian muslim girls as I doubt they would be out and about on their own that much.

If I was a thief I would be robbing the car were the doors had been left unlocked, not one where I would need to smash the quarter glass. I hope the analogy makes some sense.

Racially motivated crime, I doubt it very much.

Hideous crime - we all agree it was.

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Agreed. It was sexually motivated. They targeted a a particular race because white girls were 'easier' imo

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Being vulnerable may have helped with ensnaring the girls, but it was threats of violence that allowed things to expand and escalate to something akin to sex trafficking. Are the white girls the only non-Asian(ie Pakistani) ones?
Link
Link

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So it looks like the problem was/is much bigger and was played down because No surprises there, as admitted at the time.

LINKY

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****.

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I think they actually believe there is harmony in the community.

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Then they are even more stupid then we thought from the outset? What is wrong with society? I despair.

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too many people with their head in the sand and talking out their backside

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-19739073

:mad:

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They didn't "miss" any opportunities, they deliberately and maliciously ignored them.:mad:

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I must agree that far harsher terminology would seem more appropriate in this case but then that seems to have been avoided from start to finish. Mustn't offend anyone after all....

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it is not possible for under age girls to give consent to sex so it begs the question ,why are the police turning europe up side down looking for a teacher who has gone to france with a 15 yr old and they don't even know if he has had sex with her but when one of the girls in rochdale complains that she has been raped and threatened with violence the authorities do nothing .This scandal is on a par if not worse than the baby'p' scandal and heads at the highest level both with social services and the police should roll

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Yes and, nothwithstanding her age, it seems she's with him willingly and there's no evidence they've had sex. Hopefully common sense will prevail and they'll come back to the UK soon.

I can't feeling that a desire not to confront some unpalatable realities has something to do with the lack of action taken in the Rotherham case. It's really very shocking and the whole truth needs to come out.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-19757460

Oh what a surprise, another gang of Asian men have been caught at it.

Nothing racial in this of course you understand.

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Oxford exploitation trial: Man 'prepared girl for gang rape'

A teenager has told the Old Bailey a man carried out a brutal sexual assault to "prepare" her to be gang-raped...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-21578312

sick! :mad:

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Oh look it's another gang of Asian men up on an under-age sex charge.

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I can tell you're not surprised, Russ.

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this isn't news ,its fast becoming the norm :td:

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Good, if found guilty cut there nuts off. :mad:

Just so people are under no illusion I don't care if there black white blue or whatever if there pedo's they should be dealt with and if that means cutting there nuts off so be it..

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Agreed :tu:

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Agreed, Let me at them and i will make sure they never get the chance again ;)

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Excellent find, gets my vote :)

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Oh look, another one http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21606658

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:mad:

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flipping eck its an epidemic

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It needs sorting one way or another.

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I think the only people that don't realise this sort of thing happens as a matter of course in some communities are the authorities

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You do have to wonder how much of this has gone on in the past and been 'ignored' or 'overlooked' for one reason or another. Let's hope this isn't the tip of an iceberg.

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Judging by the way that the caste of life on mars investigated rape and abuse complaints in the near past i suspect it is the tip of a very large iceberg going back decades

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http://news.sky.com/story/1060783/ei...-girl-under-16

I wonder....

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:mad:

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They'll probably try to say it's acceptable in their home country.

So why not send them there for good?

After castration of course.

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Rallying call against sex abuse as Holyrood unites to take on pimps, perverts and organised gangs

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...-abuse-1745766

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My preferred punishment for those pedo's that attack children is to put them in jail for the rest of there life with no chance of ever being released.

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Unfortunately this kind of abuse is not limited to pakistani's targeting young girls. There are many such gangs and networks operating in Bratain targeting both sexes. Some of these networks are countrywide and have infiltrated all walks of life including those who have the power to alter or influence law. It should not be forgotten these people are often ill and in many cases will have been victim themselves although not necessarily sexual victims, so whilst they are obviously a danger to the public they should be treated humanely, which in some cases may extend their own suffering. Do not confuse this with the absolute fact the vast majority of victims do not go on to become such an abuser, but in smaller numbers there is increasing evidence it can become a cycle of which may also be causing and affecting sexual disorientation in numbers greater than previously considered.

Victims who try to lead as normal a life as possible afterwards are generally unable to lobby parliament potentially opposing such law changes that have been implemented with a disregard to those of vulnerable age groups and other dispositions due to the desire to retain their anonymity as such bully's carry far to much power and today are to easily able to hide behind political correct ideals without revealing their true agendas. The social impact some recent changes will have are going to be potentially highly undesirable and very long reaching as political correctness has taken priority over exploitation of vulnerable groups.

The recent Savile inquiry is unfortunately just the tip of the iceberg but serves as a prime example of the influential heights at which some such offenders will reside in.

Serial offenders of any description that attack such vulnerable groups should not be given parole ever without very serious consideration. Every victim is often scarred for life psychologically often to a very high degree. Victims of re-offenders post parole will always be a travesty of justice. Any such board granted that power will always need to remember such offenders are usually incredibly calculative and manipulative and know how to take advantage of any opportunity. For example these people are rarely shameful of their actions until the convenience of a courtroom desires to see such emotion.

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True, it's also Indians, Bangladeshis and Saudi men in these gangs as well. I think there have even been some Iraqi and Kurds too.

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In my opinion and after carefully thought, STRING THE B******* UP BY THEIR NUTS, CASTRATE AND LEAVE IN A ROOM FULL OF THEIR VICTIMS FAMILIES.
That would make them think straight.

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Don't forget all sexuality's of white British and European, Eastern Europeans and the Afro Caribbeans and Africans, as all are well renowned to develop gangs and networks to commit rape and molestation of vulnerable groups in society, in particular the younger generations.

Speaks for itself I think except I don't think the result would be as specified

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Thailand had/still has? massive problems too, remember the crack down a few years ago.

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Really.."renowned"...some but not as "renowned" as our ....other "renowned" immigrants.



The sooner the educated theorists realise that the soft touchy "there, there, it wasn't your fault" treatment doesn't work the better. Look to where many of these gangs (not all) originate from and the kind of justice they would expect there. It's to soft here and they know it and the real problem is its getting worse. Human rights...my arse.

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I'm not reckless enough to suggest it doesn't happen of course but how about you do a Google search for such 'sex gangs' of about 4 or more individuals where the victim was raped/kidnapped/groomed for sex.

Say you took the first 12 cases that you found, regardless of the ethnicity of the victim.

If I was a betting man I'd be willing to wager (well) over 50% would be non-white.

The link I posted above, the police in that one have yet to reveal the names/nationalities of the suspects however I'm extremely confident I can accurately guess how this will turn out.

If it turns out I'm wrong I'll be more than willing to post the fact and retract my comments.

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Gets my vote

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5 minutes pain and then out of their misery is the tough way for them ? Meanwhile their other associates etc are still out there unfettered preying on our children when convicted perps on what should be life sentences with little to no chance of parole could have been a vital source of information is a softee aproach ?

Some of us do not need google to tell us what we already know. The site I posted lists 18,000 convicted paedophiles which you will find are predominately white British. Some are acting as individuals, others are parts of social circles who often commit such offences behind their own doors although part of a circle of abusers, so linking such gang members together is never easy. Their methods may not be identical but there is little difference really, especially when considering the extent of damage they cause. The Fred west case is an extreme and prime example where only the West's were officially linked to the home but it was well known they had a long list of clients some very high profile. This is by no means a solitary case as there have been and still are many others perhaps just not so extreme. Then you have high profile organisations supporting or concealing this behavior like the BBC and other media resources, religious groups, government bodies, gay rights groups and so on. Childrens homes have always been a valuable resource of victims to the worse offenders in Britain, these are often not the acts of an individual acting on their own. Such victims have always been easy prey due to their background. Look at one of Freddy Starrs first comments following allegations against him, instant attempt to discredit the supposed victim stating she was from a home for bad girls, some could be forgiven for believing such a weak defense could be indicative he remembers only to well and is fully aware today of his actions then. The most common defense from all bullies is to paint themselves as the victim.

Heres a snip from an article in the daily telegraph

<snip>For years I have watched Jimmy Savile on TV, clenching my jaw until the bones crack and thinking: “If only people knew.� Now they do, but I think this goes beyond Jimmy Savile. There are probably a lot of famous people who are now terrified their names might come up.</snip>

We do not watch TV in our house for this very reason, it is to painful to watch, yet we still have to pay a license because who will believe we only play games and anything watched is prerecorded. With the revelations against the BBC it grates at me I am paying them money which has been and may still be used to abuse children in such a way, but in this dictatorship we have little choice or face a legal mountain over a petty fee.

I think we can be very confident in saying Savile was not acting alone and had many accomplices.

Some of us could easily be as right as we may be wrong when considering this was perhaps a pre-emptive interview setup following the fear from additional names coming to light from the Savile scandal. After all we have a government with a high profile agenda on buggery that includes preaching it to our children in schools as part of education under a variety of so called legitimate guises and lets face it, it would not be the first tie to paedophilia within a Tory Downing street occupancy and the houses of parliament.

I think the evidence speaks for itself that such circles of white British most certainly do exist and almost certainly in larger numbers than anticipated, some of who'm hold key positions in society.

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I know but I figured it would help get my point across.


I really don't see how that makes any difference to the point I'm making?

True, but they weren't a gang were they?

Can't really dispute much of that however my point still stands.

OK. But bringing it back to what I've been saying all along, (rhetorical question) when was the last time you heard of a gang of say 4 or more white males going on trial for gang rapes, sex crimes against women etc? How often do such cases occur when compared with Asian and other non-white men? I mean obviously nobody is going to try to suggest that white gangs try that much harder to not get caught.

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I think Nitronutter has a good point. Child abuse is not uniquely or predominately limited to one group. Some Asians communities may have a problem with gangs but it isn't an issue limited to those gangs or communities. Maybe white child abusers just operate in isolation more?

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i think why Asian gangs are being highlighted is because they are targeting a certain demographic ,they are going after white girls and possibly boys because they are white whereas other gangs we hear about aren't that choosey .Every society has it's peodo problem but what we are seeing recently is different

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The question with gangs is how far and wide do they have to look for fellow participants. Do they have to cast their net far and wide eg using the internet or do they simply ask a people they know and/or work with. If you are a member of a group that can simply ask another member of the group, it doesn't say much about people in that group.

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I haven't limited this to child abuse - these cases involve sex crimes against females of all ages. Whereas yes they are by and large younger, I'm not sure many are considered 'children'.

I see what you're saying with your suggestion about the white abusers/rapists however surely if that was the case wouldn't at least some slip through the net? I don't know how these people work but I can't imagine a gang of white rapists choosing to 'go it alone'. If word gets around about some 'easy' targets then wouldn't they all, for lack of a more appropriate expression, 'fancy a go'?

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-21740704

Now, what does this seem to hint at?

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this is an actual epidemic :mad:

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Time of the year, ie springtime.

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I'll hazard a guess at whether or not this turns out to be another Asian gang...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-22272634

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You only think that because of this.

The men aged 20, 24 and 27, were arrested earlier and were being questioned on Tuesday evening.

Five men, aged 19, 22, 23, 30 and 31, and a 16-year-old boy, were arrested last week and were released on bail.

Six men aged 20, 22, 25, 37, 37 and 39, have already been charged in connection with the same investigation.

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or because theres a trend. and dare i say also because Leicesters filled with Asians so the odds against are slim.

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inbred. hang them by their nads.

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I had a bunch of working white northern europeans in the frame for it

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The one on the left looks the type.

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Wasn't he in the first Men in Black movie?

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Oh look, another Asian sex gang.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...14#TWEET750808

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Well it's not another, it's a further development on an existing one.

Anyway we also need to be worried about white middle aged men. Lots of them seem to be being arrested over sex crime cases.

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As a middle aged white man I resent that remark! :mad:

It's young white men in their late teens and 20s we really need to be worried about... :D

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I know but this is the first time they were revealed to be Asian although in fairness I think that comes as a surprise to few.

True but this thread is about sex gangs.

I make no apologies for the assumptions I make on this as I have yet to be proven wrong but whenever I read about a gang of men in court for sex crimes I fully expect them to be non-white.

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And from the news you could fully expect a man arrested for alleged historic sex crimes to be white. It's if and why race is an issue. Maybe there is a reason that they are gangs in the Asian community or maybe this is creating a false impression.

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Yes, but in this thread....

I cannot see how anyone could fail to spot there is a racial element to this. Unless there is a wide-scale conspiracy to hide stories of white sex gang prosecutions going on then I cannot understand why there isn't a national enquiry in to why this keeps happening.

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or maybe you're just being politically correct? ;)

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There seems to be little about the 'customers' in their area and the other areas that the girls were taken to.
How did they advertise their 'wares' to the people in those places? They couldn't exactly place an ad in the local papers.

This is the extremely unpleasant aspect of this and similar cases.

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The case that started off this thread was one where all the members were non-white (mainly Asian) and all the victims were white. I can't see how anybody can fail to spot the racial element in that. People made the point that the gang just went after vulnerable girls and the fact they were all white was a coincidence. OK I accept their vulnerability but the rest of that statement is just BS in my opinion.

However since then little or nothing has been said about the victims of subsequent sex gang cases. I'm pretty sure if reporting restrictions were lifted (and thankfully for the sake of the privacy of the victims this won't happen) the vast majority will turn out to be white also.

But as we'll never know let's move on from that.

I'd say there is (just) more importance on looking in to why these gangs are always Asian/non-white than why middle-age or elderly celebrity sex attackers always seem to be white. Other than Savile it appears all the cases we know about connected to Yewtree happened decades ago. That doesn't alter the seriousness of the cases however they happened in the past - little or nothing can be done about them now.

However if there is a 'hidden' culture in Asian gangs that involves sex crimes on girls/women, this is something that needs to be dealt with NOW.

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It may well be down to Islam,non-Muslim women are often fair-game since they're non-muslim. Seen it so many times and hear it from people with large Muslim populations. Sad,really,but then that is what happens when your Religion is intolerant of all non-believers.

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So why do white people abuse children then?

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I strongly disagree that religion plays a part in this. It may be that some of the attackers are Muslim but I suspect they would carry out the abuse/attacks even if they were not.

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If the deciding factor is that white girls were vulnerable, why are not large number of gangs of white males acting in a similar way? The key thing is, how easy is it to find somebody else that would be willing to take part or at least won't report you the the police? I can't help but get the feeling that it is easier to do so within a group of Muslims, than a group of attendees at a paedophile convention(if one took place).

People should consider the purely hypothetical situation that if they wanted others to join in, how easy would it be? For most people it would be a non-starter. If people are already in a gang that has criminal/violent tendencies then members might join in, but they are already in a gang with similar views.

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Maybe the differentiating factor is that abuse tends to be by people known to the victim? For some reason this isn't the case with the gangs and maybe something behind that is why the gangs form?

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there are many reasons for child abuse,however Islam condones that kind of behaviour and indeed sexually inappropriate behaviour towards non-muslim women,be they teenagers or older...

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I don't think it does condone it.

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Just pointing out again that there's nothing to suggest that Islam played a factor in many (any?) of these cases.

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If it's not Islam that is linking the people in these Muslim gangs, what is it?

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I don't think I've referred to them as 'Muslim' gangs, just 'Asian' gangs. For example there are many white Muslims but none seem to be in these gangs.

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Really,you strongly disagree? Why? What has made you come to that conclusion?

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White Muslims may be amongst the 'customers'. or it may be that they are not viewed as being as trustworthy to be brought into the 'secret', because they are seen as newcomers, and perhaps not full and true Muslims.

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Read up on Islam and the way non-believers are depicted in the Qur'an.

so what else is the factor,the ties that bind? Something to do with male Asian culture?

exactly

Yes,but those white Muslims are converts and weren't raised in that same way the non-whites were,they weren't as indoctrinated into believing white,unmarried women are fair game.Maybe you got to give them some more time just yet. ;)

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I lived around many Muslims for nearly 3 years. Nothing about their behaviour or manner suggests they would be like these offenders.

Without dragging this OT too much just because someone is Muslim/Christian/Jewish/whatever does not mean they follow their holy teachings word for word.

That is what I have been led to believe.

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The bible has plenty of horrible stuff in it as well and I could say Christianity condones it by pointing to selectively chosen passages and the child abuse scandal in the Catholic Church. That wouldn't mean Christians condone child abuse nor would it mean it's a problem 'amongst Christians' or the Western world which predominantly follows Christianity.

What made Catholics Priests abuse children? It wasn't their race and it wasn't their religion.

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:clap:

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I'm not sure 'made' is the right word. It seems to be related to their situation as being celibate. Did/does the priesthood attract men that aren't attracted to women? Even then, did they get together as a group and plan to start acting in that way, or did they tend to act initially as individuals and then possibly happen to come across others acting in the same way? It is highly unlikely that a Catholic Priest could have simply approached another priest at random.

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Don't scapegoat a religion for crimes that don't relate to it. Its grounds you really don't want to be walking on for obvious reasons of taking your eye off the ball. Religions such as Islam has a lot of nasty stuff in it as Damien pointed out, things which need to be kept an eye on but in no way can it be at fault for these sorts of crime. Lets be clear in Islam the biggest ruling, one of the best known rules is marriage before sex. You cannot be anymore clearer on that.

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Err because their perverts looking for and gaining easy access to children, if they hadn't become priests they'd have been scout leaders or youth workers. It's not religious but cultural mainly imo, you only have to look at the stats in Pakistan where a rape and gang rapes happen every few minutes IIRC however I believe the religious laws out their aid the accused far more than the victim.

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I think you're right on the Priests. Some people are child abusers and I don't think it's based on their religion or their culture.

So why are there Asian gangs? I don't think it's because Asians are more likely to do it but something in their communities means that the gangs are a more common way it happens whereas in white communities (how weird does that phrase sound! :erm:) the stories are usually of individuals in isolation or groups via the Internet. Of course you do hear News stories of groups, like those people are the nursery a while back, so maybe it's more complicated.

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I wonder how 'level headed' the press would be about a bunch of white men who did the same thing to Asian girls?

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That would be quite interesting. because it would be white men going for Asian/Muslim girls, and not their own.

would we say it was a white religion that makes them only go for Asian/Muslim girls?

they like Asian/Muslim girls better?

or something else like the Asian/Muslim girls 'deserve' it?

it would be really interesting too if one of the Asian men were to tell us why they only went for white girls.
and whether we'd accept his answer and not make excuses for him.

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I think it is very much a racial issue and don't see why people are trying to make out that it isn't

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I think a lot of people know that. they just don't want to offend anyone by stating the obvious.

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no remorse shown. cut their nads off! ******* crackheads.

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As with the Rochdale case the girls where in the care of social services so is anyone actually taking social services to task for their failings

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If they've acted negligently then we're likely to see a spate of civil actions I'd have thought.

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Seems like the authorities are more concerned with 'community cohesion' than actually doing the right thing in cases like this.

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so not lose their jobs then or be disciplined in any way .I note that one of the underlings ,a night guard or somesuch has lost his job ,because he would not pay the taxi and so a girl was taken back to Oxford and raped .I also note that the actual 'Boss' Joanna Simons has refused to resign,why does she get that option ?

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Maybe she feels that although the pay and perks stop at the top, the buck doesn't.

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That should be the motto of all top civil servants because it certainly seems to be true