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If you paint a picture and someone decides they like it and takes it off your wall and takes possesion of that painting that is obviously theft ,if someone comes around your house sees the picture decides they like it and takes a HD photo of said picture prints it and decides to sell it to make money that is copyright infringement (assuming you had it copyrighted in the first place) not theft because they haven't stolen the picture merely copied it

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Yes its off-topic, but I will respond to it, to say that the BBC are lobbying extremely hard to get the law changed regarding that. One of the options they are persuing is a requrement for a TV Licence to own a PC.

Another option they are considering is to require downloaders to enter their TV Licence number before being allowed to download or stream off iPlayer.

So I fully expect the status of iPlayer to change sooner or later, in that respect.

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You subscription might only cover viewing it once, or only via streaming. In which case, if you want to keep a copy, buy it.

There are plenty of ripping programs available to do that :)

Yes, because, as you said, you've already purchased it and can get it again whenever you want to from iTunes.

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A law (being criminal or civil) has still been broken as you would own something you have no right to with paying for it.

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But a law has still been broken. So it is "against the law"; another word for which is...illegal. Glad we got that sorted out :)

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At the end of the day, it can be argued that copyright infringement is also theft. While you have not removed the physical product from the original owner, you have made a copy of it. A copy for which they would normally have charged you, and therefore you deprived them of the income from that copy, therefore it could be argued, that you stole money off them.

Tenuous, I know, but its there.

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A stance which I'm not sure I agree with.

A better idea but still not without its problems.

Quite right too :)

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Actually, if they copy it for personal use then it's civil infringment. If they copy it and then make commercial gains from the copy, that's a criminal matter.

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It rather depends (imho) on which country the law is being applied. Anyone who 'illegally' obtains copyrighted content via a torrent site will be connected to tens/scores/hundreds of peers. Many of them will be in a different country or on a different Continent. How can it be realistically possible to police the World, when differing laws apply in different countries?

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If anyone did that I'd kick their backside so hard that we could see what they had eaten the day before..I'm also certain there is some law about people doing things uninvited,without permission in your home such as taking pictures unless they are the law and have a warrant that says they can.;)

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And that is the BIG argument. Does a copy equal a lost sale.

How many of us have been given a DVD by a friend who says 'You might like this' so we watch it and never buy it?

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I believe that distribution of copyrighted materials is a criminal as well as civil offence. So you run more risks when using p2p such as torrents. With newsgroups you can download without uploading, so you just commit a civil offence.

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Actually, they could stand outside on the public road, use a very long telephoto, and point it through your window, and theres not a thing you or the police can do about it then. Except draw the curtains. But yeah, NOW we're getting off topic....

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Of course, the other side of that is to not have any protection so everyone copies everything, so no-one makes any money and therefore nothing gets created ever again :)

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At the end of the day, in my opinion, if you can't afford to buy a legal copy of something, you have two, maybe three choices.

1) Do without.
2) Ask the rights holder if you may have a free copy (lol).
3) Ask someone whom has a legal copy, if they will let you have theirs. This has to be a transfer of the physical copy, and they must not make a copy for themselves and is only semi-legal.

At no point is it right, to just take a copy, imho.

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watching once is what i do and yes i am fully aware that it is illegal ,in the same way as a mix tape given to a girlfriend on valentines day is illegal

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:clap:

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Got to get through the net curtains first.. and yes we are digressing..;)

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I think that the use of "semi legal" to describe something as harmless as lending somkeone a DVD - just goes to show how complex and ridiculous this all is.

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So is it 'semi-legal' to lend someone a screwdriver? a teapot? a stapler?

People seem to be talking themselves into a position the MPAA/RIAA would dearly love to see. Don't forget they are already proposing to make it illegal to sell secondhand CD's and DVD's.

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Indeed ,there is no such legal term as semi illegal ,There are only legal and illegal .What i do is illegal ,i make no bones about ,i do think the law is an ass and needs changing to bring it up to date and keep track with technology .What is the point of a law that is inefective

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I'd love to see the police arrest Myrtle, the lady who works at my local charity shop, for crimes against music copyright.

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A screwdriver does not have a licence printed on the back that says

You agreed to the licence by the simple act of buying it. Therefore you cannot transfer it to a new owner, store it on an archive system, or make a copy of it.

A screwdriver has no such clauses.

I used the term "semi-legal" because its not "Illegal" to do any of it, but it is against the licence contract, which is a civil issue.

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Where does "lending it" to someone for 3 hours come into that?

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Copyright owners sometimes affix warning notices to packaged DVDs, or display notices on screen before showing the content, which purport to list uses of the DVD that are forbidden under copyright law. Such notices do not always fairly reflect the buyer's legal rights established by the first-sale doctrine.

Source

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I can't help but note, that the link you gave was to US case law. I thought we were discussing UK law.

In any case, I agree that the law is an ass, but its still the law, and it should be changed, not broken.

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You don't see the same notices on your UK purchased DVD's? I know I do. Let's not forget when we talk about the media industry there's only one law ;)

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Another stupid analogy from you; unless those items are covered by copyright and IP rights :rolleyes:

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You have a point there, about the media industry thinking theres only one law. Sadly they have enough money and political clout to make it come true.

Doesn't change the fact that its still currently against copyright law to make copies without their permission. I stand by what I said earlier, if you can't afford it, do without.

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Can I ask - does it actually matter in practice just what the law is when it's obvious to a blind man that it isn't being enforced?

Anyone breaching copyright has more chance of being struck by lightning during the course of watching/listening to said item than they do of being dragged before the beak for downloading it.

Sunday market traders in dodgy DVDs etc. are of course a different matter and do occasionally get their collars felt by trading standards but I doubt that any of their customers ever do.

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I hope that isn't personally aimed at me. As I have pointed out I pay for monthly subscriptions to both LoveFilm (£16.33, unlimited DVDs my package is no longer available) and NetFlix (£5.99, I'm supporting it even if it is rubish) so trust me I can afford it.

At no stage during my posts have I said I download copyrighted material yet the holier-than-thou crowd, and one stupid person, automatically assume that if you know anything of what is happening in filesharing you are participating illegally. As I have already mentioned I do run a seedbox (non-copyrighted material only) and that's why I keep an eye on what's happening . I have also pointed to gigabytes of legal MP3's and movies yet again the discussion focuses on copyrighted material.

When people don't see a CD or DVD as a physical object that can be held and passed to someone else and instead try to sound clever by mentioning copyright and intelectual property rights, even after I have already pointed to links where it cagegorically states it is legal to lend a CD or DVD then the MPAA/RIAA have an even easier job than I thought.

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Uk copyright law is different to US law

http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/co..._copyright_law

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Don't worry, it wasn't aimed at anyone specific, just at the freetards in general.

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This is where the definition of 'public' becomes a problem. How do you define this?

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Well it's a toss up whether they change the law on copyright/pirating or introduce crappy laws on controlling the internet.

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I took that as :

You cannot rent or lend a copy to the public.

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All DVD's and CD's are copies ,does it mean i couldn't copy a film and then lend that copy of a copy to my pal or does it mean i cannot lend the copy i purchased from HMV to my pal

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A copy (by definition) is something that has been created from the original source by software that is capable of so doing. There are countless software suites that can rip a dvd et.al. It doesn't make the copying any more legal or moral.

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You cannot copy any film; original or copy.

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exactly ,so the DVD i buy from HMV is a copy ,the difference with that copy and one downloaded and burned is that it has been copied with the rights holders permission.Blockbusters rent there's out with rights holders permission i have no such permission so if i lend my copy of Avatar to a neighbour technically i am breaking the law .Fortunately UK law allows for this type of thing in the fair usage clauses where incidentally i would be able to copy films/music provided that


The copy is made for the purposes of research or private study
The copy is made for non-commercial purposes
The source of the material is acknowledged
The person making the copy does not make copies of the material available for a number of people.

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I really can't see you not being able to lend a legitimate CD/DVD don't forget this also applies to books and I doubt anyone would consider lending a book to be against copyright law.

Who'd want to be a copyright lawyer. Mind you I suppose once fully digested your good to go for a good few years.

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Libraries have certain excemptions ,don't forget that artists generally produce their work intended for public viewing and the fair use concept is supposed to ensure that the rights holders do not stifle free speech or news reporting .Copyright holders do not by any means have total control of their work

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Source

Guess it may not have worked out. Hope it wasn't because of copyright infringement :) :D :p:

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I think it's one of those laws that is well past it's usefullness and needs scrapping and re inventing to match modern times

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I found a better source after you quoted me :)

I guess you don't have to walk down the street to lend to a perfect stranger after all. :erm:

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This is proabably finally the end of downloading movies, music etc.

Now I want Sky Atlantic even more... :)

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My daughter has SKY so I have access to her SKYGO account, no need to download anything, except from SKYGO.:D

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Always wondered how the RIAA etc got away with claiming such figures.

I often wonder about radios, I mean, if I hear a song on a radio and record it, why or how is that any different to downloading it?

Do the record companies lose money by me recording a song from the radio? Doubtful

Given that radio is broadcast across the whole of the UK, that must mean milllllllllllions of pounds are being lost for every song, because potentially, everyone can "download" (record) it and never have to buy the CD! :D

(Yes I know they cut off the start/ending, but you can still get most of the song!)

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Artists get paid for songs played on the radio.

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Right, so if it's been broadcast to every corner of the UK, but people in the UK are also sharing it via bittorrent, why is that illegal? ;)

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because the artist is supposed to get paid every time the song is used,people can only listen to the song if it has been paid for by someone or some company

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Most artists will tell you they get very little from these collections agencies. Most of the money just gets funnelled into the industries coffers. And have you seen how much they wanted for internet streaming?

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www.virginmedia.com having DDOS problems because of the pirate bay block,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17998113

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So if you are downloading the free stuff why the requirement for a VPN ? To avoid traffic shaping/management ?

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Any evidence to back that statement up "most of the money", since PRS a non-profit organisation?

From the UK Performing Arts website

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Of course, if this hypothetical unemployed person didn't have the opportunity to get this content for free, and could not afford to buy it, they would have to do without. Therefore, yes, they are "lost" sales.

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Errm, no. There wouldn't be a sale if the person couldn't download it for free, so there is no 'lost' sale.

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Downloading it gives you a perfect copy. Recording it off the radio you may not even get the intro or ending.

If you keep if forever instead of buying it then the answer is, of course, yes.

You may jest but yes, that is correct.

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Which is missing the point. If they could not download it they would have to buy it. Or are you trying to claim that people download and watch stuff they wouldn't want to buy?

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Chrysalis's point was that there are people who can't afford to buy content. So, they would never have bought what they might download. Therefore it's not a lost sale. If they couldn't download it, they'd go without it.

Obviously, there is also the fact that people download stuff in order to see if they like it (and might buy it if they do), but decide it's pants. Either way, it's fallacious to claim every download is a lost sale.

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https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=downloads+lost+sales

Pretty much every result on the first page contradicts the assertion downloads = lost sales.

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PRS are one of the better groups, but I doubt they are perfect (especially when they are busy bullying garages into purchasing a license for a radio that may be overheard by customers).

But the american ones are much seedier: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...ck-stars.shtml

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We do seem to have wandered away from the topic.:erm:

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Then that's that. Can't afford it? Tough. It's no excuse. As an unemployed person, that's the motto I have to live by. Perhaps if others did too they wouldn't be in such a financial mess. (But that's a whole different thread :D)

(Though I do have a one-year free LOVEFILM subscription courtesy of something I bought recently ;))

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I never said I approved did I? Just that it's fallacious to claim that every illegal download is a lost sale.

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:clap:

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Not really, the whole copyright debate can't be narrowed down to one site being blocked when you consider copyright was a state given (by the public) limited right that allowed the creators a short term in which they could exploit their works before then handing over these rights back to the public for the advancement of culture.

The whole idea was to encourage people to keep creating, not create a few hits then live off them for the rest of their lives. Sadly its been perverted by businessmen so that it is much longer and does not benefit the public at all. If the majority of stuff was owned by the artists it wouldnt be so bad, but most of it is owned by the recording industry who share paltry amounts.

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you have hit the nail on the head and it is a shame the media dont show them for what hypocrites they are.

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Yet Avengers has made money, I wonder how many films have flopped purely due to piracy..

One thing that piracy is doing is putting smaller companies out of business and leaving the large companies who can license and make these popular blockbusters the only entities who can soak up any piracy based losses..

One ethos that has been lost with piracy these days is the old "If you like it then buy it" which in other words if you like a film on Xvid/MKV then go buy the DVD/BLURAY.. or if you life your downloaded game rip then go buy an original..

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What about the rest of it's run and future DVD sales? If a load of people have already seen in pirated they're not going to buy it; equals lost sales, equals lost money.

Besides, what about every other film produced anywhere?

Oh, and whoever made that needs to learn to proof-read ;)

As has been said before in this thread, one extreme example does not mean the argument is not valid.

1. Breaking the law (criminal or civil) is wrong.
2. Taking something that does not belong you to without payment is wrong.
3. NO excuse is a "good" excuse.

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Well instead of ranting here why don't you all do something positive.Join one of the organisations that are doing something about getting the laws on Copyright sorted or the ones defending the freedom of the internet.

Endless round and round argu...discussions about it will never solve the issue.The only way is to put your point of view to your MP..

I know that will make Sirius choke..:D

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And that is exactly what I do. I am a bit of a sado and every January I watch all the trailers for the films I "might" like coming out this year and make a list of the ones which look amazing and which I want to see at the cinema and I go to watch them (even the re-release of Titanic which I have 2 copies of on dvd). There are some movies which I am not too sure about though and wont watch at the cinema (e.g Immortals) and I will download them when I can and if I like it then I will buy it on dvd. Having stuff on dvd isnt the same as having it on your pc. I have all 7 season of Buffy on dvd in what looks like a book which cost me £70 each and you cant buy them anymore. I have got a special collectors edition of Pearl Habour in a fold out card case which looks like a leather pouch and has got postcards from WW2 in it, a letter from President Roosevelt on the authentic burnt paper etc etc, the list goes on. If people love films that much they will pay for them.

Another good example is Armageddon. I bought the original 1 disc double-sided version when it first came out, then the 2 disc special edition and then the Criterion Edition (R1) :)

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Right so you now thing downloaders pick on certian films? more then likely avengers had higher internet traffic than less popular films due to its success.

Try looking for a low budget unmarketed flick to download, it be harder to find.

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Or I can hand a few million notes over and my MP then kindly starts a motion to change the law? its how the movie companies work.

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Very true ,i have the complete set of sg1 dvd's collected over a couple of years via a magazine subscription ,but for viewing purposes i downloaded the exact same set onto my NAS drive ,i have about 70 DVD's aside from those and everysingle one has been backed up for viewing on my NAS via download .I know it is illegal but should the unlikely event of me ending up in court for copyright infringement happen i am willing to fight my corner because i haven't deprived anyone of any money

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Perhaps some of us have ;)

Perhaps these DISCUSSIONS are actually making more people realise just how absurd the situation is, I've noticed a slight change in your attitude :tu:

Of course there are others who just don't seem to have a real grasp of any situation and basically follow any line they're given. Such people don't realise that some laws only exist if people obey them and when enough people don't they do get changed. Like the current plans I pointed out recently to actually make copying CD's and DVD's that you own legal.


Seeing as we're puffing out chests

Approx 900 CD's
Approx 750 DVD's
Approx 150 Cassettes (Seriously!)
Approx 500 Albums (Who remembers them?)

Ok, For completion 3 Blu-Rays.

I'd better add these are all legitimate copies even the cassettes LOL. It also kind of destroys any idea that I'm against the blocking of TPB because I want my 'stuff' for free.

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In the past 3 weeks I have downloaded .mkv blu ray rips of Quadrophenia, Trainspotting and Alien. All 3 I currently own on DVD. I done this simply to see what the blu ray conversion was like. Quadrophenia had poor reviews on amazon of grain and basically being a dvd transfer onto a blu ray disc (Which had of been would of been the film industry ripping off the consumer in my opinion), although the film, one of my all time favourites, isn't the best blu ray transfer it made my mind up to go and buy the original blu ray.

It's exactly the same with both Alien and Trainspotting. Before I buy any blu ray I will do exactly the same because no one can review it like yourself. All 3 of those films I have bought in the last week because I had downloaded the .mkv version.

I think Virgin Media have the right approach, although they are complying with the court order because they have too. They have gone on record to say that

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It seems like you have a small portion of the argument here, from those saying you shouldn't download full stop, to those downloading what they think they should be able to. It looks like those that download everything there is simply won't join in this argument because there's nothing to argue about, they'll probably read this thread and scratch their heads in bewilderment..

I find it quite comical that when people try to justify having 100mb (for legitimate use that is), I'm sure there are a few people who could, but would be a minority (I could be wrong, but I doubt it). I think without piracy there wouldn't be a 100mb, would there be a need for even 50mb. If VM goes too far, messes with newsgroups etc, then I'm sure they'll lose too many customers. So all what happens is a token gesture that they are doing 'something' about it, but I can't see them doing much more than they need to.

I don't think there's anything to discuss about TPB here as VM is only acting on instruction, anyone can bypass it, and basically business resumes as normal.

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I don't know I like streaming HD Content from the iplayer, itvplayer on 4OD on my wired ps3's in both the bedroom and the living room without buffering. I also love the fact that itunes downloads an album in lightening fast times too. You could be right and 20mb or 30mb might suffice for that but I have seen a huge improvement since upgrading.

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Even multiple HD streams don't require anything like 100Mbps. Peanut is spot on that the high end VM products are to a large extent taken to speed up high volume downloads be they full quality bluray rips, tatty not-worth-watching divx stuff or linux ISOs (which I doubt make up even 1% of the traffic).

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wed 9th may midday. i can still acess tpb from bt broadband (no block in place). perhaps bt realise it's a waste of time/money/effort even attempting to block it. why don't bt feel the need to follow the courts instruction as quickly as virgin. is there some kind of time limit to implement the block or was it with immediate effect. you would think the major isp's would get there heads together on something like this and at least be singing from the same hymm sheet.

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BT also have to block it, just they haven't been told to do so immediately http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04...locking_order/

Those ISPs that have been told to block it have to do so by Friday

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mmmmmm interesting, perhaps bt are going to tell them to stuff off....

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Sorry .... Hollywood makes somewhere in the region of 600 films per year and you're forming an argument justifying piracy on the strength of the success of just one of them?

That's beyond moronic.

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I think the argument would be more along the lines of if piracy is such a problem how come so many people, a record number by all accounts, paid to see this movie in the cinema surely they would have just downloaded it? I'd check to see if it was available but I can't get on TPB. Oh wait ...


Anyone get the feeling that it may actually be 'Hollywood' that's releasing these?

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Maybe they felt, as I did, that it was one of the few films that deserved to be seen on the silver screen, with full dolby surround sound, people munching popcorn behind them, mobile phones going off... Oi, keep it down. I'm trying to watch the film...... Yeah, you too mate.

My local cinema even added £2 on to the entrance price, over what a movie normally costs, grrr. It was still well worth watching.

Some movies just have to be seen on the big screen. I could have waited for the dvd to be released, even considered it, but in the end, decided that Avengers Assemble was one of the few that I wanted to see on the silver screen. My decision had nothing to do with piracy, and everything to do with enjoyment.

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I think i may have that exact same set of DVD's. Do they form a picture when they are in the right order in your dvd cabinet ?

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You're either ripping the media business off or they are ripping you off. Pretty much why I don't or can't form an opinion either way.

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You think anyone can actually defy a court order (and such a public one) and get away with it? :rolleyes: As usual, there was a more logical reason.

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do pray tell ?

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yes they do :)

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Its my understanding that BT, and VM were given a set deadline to enact the blockage, in order to consider their legal position, and decide if they were going to appeal.

BT decided to use all the time they were given before blocking it, VM decided to block it immediately.

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so bt may be considering appealing this appalling dodgy court decison then. more power to them if they do. guess we'll find out on friday.

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Erm... Post #378.

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Classic. So because porn is viewable 'like on TV' it can be regulated just like TV. Just goes to show why these people should not even be in the same building as any discussion about the internet.

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Which just goes to show that this industry cannot be trusted and why governments and courts should stop listening and more worrying implementing their requests.

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---------- Post added at 14:59 ---------- Previous post was at 14:21 ----------

TPB is currently calling itself, The Research Bay in collaboration with Lund University. If you can get to it whether you agree or not with filesharing do the questions. In fact it may be a good place for the anti-filesharing people to post their views and get heard seeing as so many on here believe filesharing = freetarding ;)

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Again, got to love the moving of the goalposts to support your position.

No one said file-sharing = freetarding (because some file-sharing is not copyright infringement).

Copyright infringement through file-sharing = freetarding - clear enough?;)

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I have just reread the 27 pages of this thread and would love for you to point out where I have moved the goal posts to support my position.

My position has been clear from the start and I don't need to move anything in support of it.

In fact, obviously. I would say I've put up quite a reasonable argument why any site shouldn't be blocked on the say so of the media industry. I've given examples of where the media industry have simply lied to get what they want. I have also pointed out that the CEO of the MPAA has publicly admitted to bribing US politicians and threatening them, here's a link

I have also pointed out that contrary to most peoples belief it is actually not illegal to lend a CD or DVD to a friend, that did get a bit confusing a one point. I've also pointed out that again contrary to most people's beliefs that it's quite possible that the law is going to be changed so that people can make back up copies of their CD's and DVD's.

I've also pointed out that even though the media industry, that have been proven to lie to the courts and governments of the countries around the globe, insist that piracy is killing their industry boxoffice records are still being broken even though almost every country in the world is in or coming out of recession (some tool will inevitably post that some country or other isn't in recession)

In none of this have I ever needed to move the goal posts.

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The goalpost relocation scenario was where you state that others have stated "filesharing = freetarding", when in fact they stated "filesharing of copyrighted material without permission of the copyright owners = freetarding".

Post #391, top of this page Changing what people have said to what you think they meant to say, to support your proposition, is a little naughty.....

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PROTIP: Next time say "show me where I moved the goal posts" so that he has to read 27 pages of posts, saving you valuable time.

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Would suggest I've done it earlier.

That last paragraph of that post adds nothing to my argument I merely point people to a site where their views can be taken into account. I am not bothering to go through the lot again but there are enough remarks made for me to believe that some people who have replied do see it that way, e.g. post 295. Then had I been a moderator I would have pulled that post up as it could be construed as libellous ;)

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Wow, people still don't get it. That may be true for a single user, but many households have more than one. If I want to watch iPlayer I don't want to to be choppy because someone else is using Google Drive/Dropbox, uploading some photos to Facebook or downloading something. You don't have to think "will this action elicit howls of pain from the lounge?", you just get on with what you are doing*.

I actually mentioned this back in 2004 when I used my friend's 100Mb connection in Japan. Back then you got 100Mb both ways (real fibre optic). There was even less stuff to max your connection out in 2004, but that wasn't the main attraction. Apparently no-one listens to me.

* In theory, VM's service is "up to" and limited so YMMV.

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LMAO

Sad I know but I actually wanted to read through it again.

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Exactly, my kids have a PC each, I have one and my freeview box has iPlayer which is used all the time. Its not uncommon for all 4 to be accessing the internet at the same time.

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i would hazzard a guess at none