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Can you blame him though for sacking his dad who didn't have a clue as to how to be a manager.. Just look how long he lasted as Paul di Resta's manager. A bad manager could cost you millions over a season..

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True, but however rubbish he is as a manager, at least Hamilton wasn't behaving like a moron like he is now.

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He made a simple error on a tweet (I wonder how many of us have emails/posted/said something whcih we wish we'd never said/sent)

All the drivers display a level of arrogance, well the F1 fans do put them on a pedestal (physically and morally) each time they do well yet we moan when they make a simple mistake.

At least Lewis and Jenson seem to be more down to earth these days unlike the time just after their championships unlike some drivers who became so arrogant that they seemed to think they could never do wrong (like Schumacher)

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Yes people make mistakes, but I think you're underestimating the importance and significance of the information he put in to the public domain. This is a bigger story than the crash in my opinion.

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I'm on no way underestimating the importance, but it was a mistake though one that didn't involve danger to others (like the crash) and is purely between him and McLaren.

You'll probably find that more data is given out by the TV cameras when showing the video of the teams telemetry screens during practice than a single page of a some telemetry output especially when there is no wing/brakes/engine setting data as a reference point for the data shown.

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Had the cars been set up similarly I might agree that this wasn't quite the big deal that it actually is, but these were two very different set ups, and on the basis of qualifying there was a significant difference in performance. There is a hell of lot of information given away for free across the entire performance range. I didn't say it was more dangerous than the crash. Clearly it wasn't and Grosjean has got the very least he deserves - actually I think he's got lucky - but this was no mistake from Hamilton it was a serious error of judgement made in anger at his team and probably of the back of being taken out of the race at the very start. Its appalling behaviour, and incredibly unprofessional from somebody who earns a lot of money and isn't yet assured of his drive for next season - it could, and should, affect his future career. Its a massive massive story.

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Did you know the setups of JB's and LH's cars, did the other teams? That's the whole point in that unless you know the setup the telemetry data is useless as there is no reference point to compare it against.. Yes the team would have been peeved and within their rights to ask for removal as it's private data but it's not as problematic as the media has made it out to be or the tyre kicking private race car building wannabee individuals think it is... The whole point being that yes he was wrong to release private data but it would not have helped the other teams.. Also it in no way will stop him getting a drive next year probably again for McLaren..

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And yet Christian Horner is . As for the other, we'll. He may well remain at McLaren, but I think its telling that the other top teams have already passed.

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Lewis Hamilton 'set for move to Mercedes from McLaren'.:shocked:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19489930

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With Mercedes latest form I doubt if Hamilton is that stupid... :rolleyes: Weirder things though have happened.. Personally though I just think it's the backlash from the tweet/crash/people who think they know his every thoughts..

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Yes l for one hope its not true because if he is to win the championship again then he's only going to do that with either his current team or with Red Bull or Ferrari.

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Seems a backwards step, wonder why he is doing this

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Read the story, he's not doing it, it's a rumour and negotiations are still going on, don't read anything into these stories of drivers moving until a statement is made

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Here's the latest bulletin.

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/...reports-denied

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Shame. I've gone right off Hamilton lately, my hope is that no-one signs him for next season.

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Come on Mark thats a bit OTT.:erm:

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I suppose, OK I will revise that statement. I hope he signs for HRT or someone like that.

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Hamilton seems to be a quite personable individual. I suspect that he is ruthless in his dealings with any team in order to maximise his earning potential. The Mercedes is not even close to being competitive with McLaren let alone Ferrari, Red Bull et. al. I would be very surprised if Lewis went to Mercedes.

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I think the best thing for Hamilton is to get away from McLaren.

Hamilton is a brilliant driver and the past few years with the team have been a nightmare plagued with problems. (Some extremely poor pit stops and virtually meaningless upgrades to the car, for a team as big as this)

Penalised multiple teams throughout last season, retirements and so on, A fresh start at another team could be good.

You can't say Mercedes are a step back because they don't have a driver that will really take the car to it's limit throughout a season. Schumacher just hasn't got it now. If they put a good car out there and get Lewis in then you may have a nice combo.

We've already seen the car is capable of winning.

In fact a lot of the cars this year are capable of keeping up with the big three teams. Lotus, Sauber, Force India, Mercedes but they don't have the big boys driving them.

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Vettel pulled off with a couple of minutes left of P3, looked like he lost power as he went from 6 to 7th gear..

Hamilton tops P3 by one thousands of a second from Alonso, should be an interesting Q session

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Lewis Hamilton on pole for Itailan GP. Button 2nd. Massa 3rd. Alonso 10th

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Lets hope for a British 1-2 tomorrow as well.

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Indeed. I hope the slip stream trick Ferrai were doing in FP3, Q1 and Q2 failed for them in Q3 as that would be really funny. Massa has out qualified Alonso for the 1st time this season.

Edit: Ferrai say it was an issue on Alonso's car that caused him to loose pace thats why he ended up 10th

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I was gutted when Button couldn't get pole. I hope he wins the race and Hamilton has one of his botched pit stops. Gone right off him, ashamed to be from the same town as him atm. Negative rep me if you want or have a go at me, I am only stating the fact he has a massive ego with not quite enough talent to back it up.

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Sorry Mark but l have to say l don't share your opinion at all about Lewis.

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Sorry, thought I was on topic when I said I was upset Hamilton had got pole position. Unless my comments after that were offensive, in which case sorry.

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Alonso trying to go round the outside of Vettle on the curva grande! Vettle should get a drive through for pushing him that wide.


Edit
Button out

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No he was on the racing line, Alfonso could have lifted, but of course he has FIA (Ferrari International Assistance) to call on.

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Lewis Hamilton wins Italian GP

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i agree

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Brilliant drive and that will keep his critics quiet for now..

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What a fantastic race by Perez :clap: had me worried there that he might of just caught Hamilton at the end..

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Nope, sorry.

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Is it just me, or does anyone else find Jaime Alguersuari the most boring person ever? Why he's on the radio I will never understand

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Its a shame Professer Sid Watkins has died. Who ever takes his postion will have some big shoes to fill

RIP Sid

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Yes l can only echo the same sentiments as it was very sad to hear of his passing.

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RIP Sid, more than anyone he changed the safety of F1. He'll be sadly missed.

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Well he can join Ayton now and they can finally go fishing with each other

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For anyone that has Sky Sports F1 you should try and watch The F1 Show from last night as they did a piece on Professer Sid Watkins and it was good.

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Indeed, the piece was a rare bit of excellence by Sky :)

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Yes it was excellent.

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I found it very moving at the end as well

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At the end of the day the simple fact remains if you get offered more then in your current job the vast majority of people will go where you are being offered more money.

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He probably sees BBC's coverage vanishing soon too....

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Yes getting less and less by the month l am afraid.:(

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Hamilton will start from pole position alongside Williams's Pastor Maldonado, with whom he has had a series of collisions in the last 18 months for the Singapore Grand Prix.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19689240

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Saw an article on Mail, where Webber says Grosjean should run for the hills if he causes another first lap crash. Not sure how much of a joke it was, but I wouldn't be very happy if he took me out of a race.

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Yet another failing with the McLaren car. Will only increase speculation about Hamilton's future.

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Yes they have let him down time and time again and perhaps its time to Whitmarsh to consider his position.

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Its a shame Lewis had to reitre he had the win in the bag. Title is ether Alonso's or Vettels now

Michael Schumacher gets 10-place penalty

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19695748

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Breaking News at 7:47am: Hamilton is to leave Mclarean for Mercedes

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19755236
http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/...t-for-Mercedes

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l cannot say l am surprised but l am certainly disappointed.:(:td:

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He wont win the championship with them.

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I thought he would stay with Mclaren tbh.

I agree but from what i have read they are looking at long term and the 2014 season with the new rule changes for the WDC

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Perez set to repalce Hamilton

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/...lace-Hamilton-

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Well he's just cut his careers throat :(

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Been watching SSN for the last 15 mins and even thou there is no offical report it does all seem a done deal. They are saying Mclaren have confirmed Perez is Hamiltons replacement. Lets see if it works out for them both

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McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh on replacing Lewis Hamilton with Sergio Perez: "I'm delighted to welcome Sergio on board. His performances throughout 2012 have convinced us that he's an extremely exciting prospect for the future.

"It was a string of giant-killing performances, a trio of podiums and a brilliant fastest lap in this year's Monaco Grand Prix that showed us that Sergio lacks nothing in terms of speed and commitment."


McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh on Lewis Hamilton: "He wrote a huge chapter of his life and career with us, and was, and always will be, a fine member of an exclusive club: the McLaren world champions' club."

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Perez will love it and if he makes the transition to the Mclaren OK he'll deffo be one to watch next year.

I have a feeling though that Hamilton will be mid-pack this time next year and cursing the slowness of the Mercedes

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Lewis Hamilton on his switch from McLaren to Mercedes: "It is now time for me to take on a fresh challenge and I am very excited to begin a new chapter racing for Mercedes.

"Mercedes-Benz has such an incredible heritage in motorsport, along with a passion for winning which I share.

"Together, we can grow and rise to this new challenge. I believe that I can help steer the Silver Arrows to the top and achieve our joint ambitions of winning the world championships."

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Don't be so quick to bite at Hamilton because I'll bet now that he'll bite you right back. He's the best driver out there hence his ridiculous salary. Up to 20 million a year now? 5 million off Alonso and I've no idea why Alonso earns that much.

Can talk about the Mercedes not being fast enough but you can't forget that McLaren that's consistently failed him on numerous occasions now. It's not a shock to see him leave especially not off the back of yet another disaster for the McLaren. Rosberg has shown the car can make the podium with him in it so I'm sure Lewis can show that it's even better. Can't base a car on Rosberg's driving and certainly not on a well past it Schumacher. Take a look where Kimi is in a Lotus, down to not retiring race after race and getting consistent points finishes. If the Mercedes stays on the track all year and Hamilton can get it in the podiums then there's no doubt he'll walk the championship. Consistency is what Hamilton needs and McLaren just don't have any at the moment. 5 in the last 7 races have seen only one McLaren finish a race. Not good enough.

Next season's car will be based on Hamilton and people are quick to forget Redbull weren't half as quick a few seasons back.

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From what i have read Lewis is looking at the furture propsect there not nest season. There is no number 1 driver there next season so Lewis and Nico will be battleing to get that status which will be intresting. I think Lewis should be looking at his 4th world title now but he isnt sadly. LEts hope he can mange more title wins with Mercedes.

Perez in a Mclaren will be intresting as he is a good young driver and it will give Jenson the chance to show us what he can do now Lewis isnt in the team

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I presume he's going where he believes the engine prospects are best.. 2014 will seriously limit engine configuration and at that time McLaren will no longer be the primary engine customer so Mercedes can give priority to their own team.

I really do hope it works out for him but going on this years performance he is cutting his throat especially for next year though he will be involved with the team for the full years preparations for 2014

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I feel Perez could easily win some races but the same problems that's occurring now will occur again next year unless McLaren change whatever it is they are doing so differently than the other teams. I wonder if the focus does move over to Button though, Wouldn't surprise me to see him second best to Perez. If Hamilton's car was more consistent there would be no doubt he'd be a multiple world champion now. Once he's out front there's no catching him, except for another breakdown or complete fail of a pitstop.

It's a shame and we all probably know what he's feeling from this and last season, think it was last year he finished out of the points twice due to retirement but was still in title contention, had he simply picked up points in both of those races he'd be world champion. It's annoying to look back on. Something has to give at McLaren, someone has to start the ball rolling with this consistency issue rather than sit back and say we'll do better next week, only to fail to bring two cars home yet again.

With Button I feel the only time he wins it's because the car is near perfect for the race, slight niggle and he's back down the field, with Lewis he can wrestle a crap McLaren to a podium. Interestingly people keep pointing to the regulation changes in 2009 as McLaren's issue here, something they are still to come to grips with.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19826983

Schumacher has announced his 2nd retirement.. I wonder if being third choice behind Lewis and Sergio for the Mercedes seat had anything to do with it??

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Most definitely l would say.

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I dont think he should have come back in 2010 anyway.

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Why's that?.

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About time. He might have won 7 titles, but his driving style when at Ferrari left a lot to be desired. I've never been a fan, but do respect the title wins. As I say, the driving style put me off him.

Hamilton won't do any better in a Mercedes car than Schumacher or Rosberg.

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I think he has killed his legecy and tbh i dont rate him

He only won 7 world tites as the rules and reg were based around him. Look at the Senna film for example where he won the 94 title as they had stuff in car that was banned. I think he is a good driver but not world class

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Vettel takes dominant pole position at Suzuka

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19854638

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Although apparently there is a chance he will be penalised for blocking Alonso. Damn Ferrari always get the decisions in their favour, I'm sick of it.

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Sebastian Vettel wins the Japanese GP.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19855406

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Yet another race in which the McLaren's weren't working, Gearbox for Button and horrendous understeer for Hamilton.

People still wondering why Hamilton is jumping ship? McLaren have got everything wrong this year and it's only getting worse. Credit to both Button and Hamilton for getting the cars over the line.

My support for McLaren is fading fast but I'm still for anyone as long as RedBull don't win.

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I wonder who Sauber will get next season, I often find them more entertaining than any other team.

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I don't think that you should take any notice of Hamilton's performance.. He's made it clear that he's leaving so he won't really care about the rest of this season and will probably be looking for any reason to vindicate his decision.. Also his mechanics will feel betrayed and won't really care for the rest of the season.. Before you say it yep it's not a way to run a business but it's life and how people feel effects how they work.

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Mark Webber takes pole ahead of Sebastian Vettel in qualifying for the Korean GP.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19934911

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Sebastian Vettel takes title lead with Korea win

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19939422

Not what l wanted but when McLaren have made so many cock ups this season what else can you expect.

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Hamilton had further problems in this one? whats up with McLaren http://www.postsmile.com/images/smiley-thinking.gif

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Anyone notice the lack of Lewis Hamilton in Tooned? Nyck de Vries, one of their Young Drivers was used instead. Don't you love team politics? Wonder if it was LH who didn't want to do it or McLaren that didn't want him to.

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The worse kept secret in F1 is finally confirmed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19941541

Vettel to Ferrari in 2014, shame for Massa as he's really upped his game these last few races. At least he'll have a year to get some other team interested in him.

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l wonder how the ego that is Alonso will cope with that?.

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Depends on who wins the 2012 and 2013 drivers championships as to if Alfonso has a leg to stand on

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Ferrari shoot down Sebastian Vettel link and rule out 'two roosters'


http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012...ettel-red-bull


Now who is telling porkies here?.

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Massa signs new deal

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19962209

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Sebastian Vettel wins Indian GP ahead of Alonso to extend lead.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20115603

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Shame for Webber with the KERS issue though Den. We were rooting for him :D

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Yes indeed and its now looking like Vettel win win a third championship in a row now l am afraid.:(

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Yup, it would seem so. Deserved though, best car and he can drive. I'm looking forward more to 2014 than next season. It'll be like the 80's again with turbocharger explosions and general mechanical carnage! :D

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20193545
Vettel demoted to back of the field for failing to provide a fuel sample, team to start him from pit lane so the car can be worked on.

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Ah, so he did run out of fuel. We thought it might be something more serious given the urgent tone of the radio call. I bet Alonso is rubbing his hands with glee :D

Just saw this: http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2012/11/14018.html

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Lewis Hamilton yet again retires from a GP.

McLaren yet again have problems with the car. It's an absolute pile of crap this year and has only been getting worse over the years.

Hamilton's decision to jump ship may be one of the greatest decisions he's ever made.

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Indeed its has happened time after time and l cannot blame him at all for jumping ship as to be perfectly honest McLaren have been a bunch of amateurs this season with one disaster after another.

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8th different winner in 2012 as KIMI RAIKKONEN wins the Abu Dhabi GP

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He's done pretty well in his comeback.

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Indeed he has. Alot better than another driver that come back to F1 in 2010

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Was too much pressure on Schumacher upon his return.

Kimi had only been away from the sport for a few years but actively kept racing in other competitive Motorsports so he was always on the ball and ready for a return whereas Micheal had been away that little bit longer and had gone into full Motorsports retirement.

Not a great comeback for Schumi but to me and for many he's still the greatest F1 driver of all time. :)

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I disagree. He isnt the greatest F1 driver of all time. Senna for me is the greatest. The only reason why Shumi did so well is because everything and everyone was based around him

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Seconded :)

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Thirded.

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What was the problem with Lewis's car ?