Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Remember loopfish - Better never than late:LOL:

Re: Speed doubling?
 

Obviously when it comes it comes but reading your post you say we will need a new modem as our speed will go from 30mb to 60mb.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

We're already at the limitations of a lot of consumer equipment. Despite Wireless "G" equipment being rated for 54Mbps, it's highly unlikely that anyone using it will get anywhere near it. Even if you're right next to your router, you're extremely lucky to hit 45Mbps. Move to another room and that'll drop below 30Meg. It's a problem with the technology, but also that most people's equipment is just poor. Wireless-N is even worse in terms of advertised speeds vs real speeds. I've seen so many Wireless-N users sitting at around 72Mbit that it's not even funny. Same reasons - the equipment in use is often a cheap model that does the bare minimum to hit that Wireless-N standard. Go ahead and look at most laptops on sale now - they're all wireless-N, but they'll only use 1x1 antennae, instead of the (much better) 3x3 arrangement, or even 1x3 that you need to hit the 300Mbit that Wireless-N is rated.

Re: Speed doubling?
 

Customers on XL 30 are probably one of the two sets of customers that won't need new kit (from Virgin at least)

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

so if i stay on XL 20mb for the next 2yrs they will give me a new modem for free and increase my speed to 60mb?

I don't really need the 60mb so if they give us a new modem i'll drop the speed down to the L tier which will be 20mb instead of the current 10mb, will save me a few pounds per month :)

Will the upload speeds be doubled too? 20/2, 60/6, 100/10, 120/12?

Re: Speed doubling?
 

Thanks Ben and great that we probably will not have to fork out another £30 into the bargain..

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

how did I not post anything for 3 years! Guess that shows how bad VM have got for me to drive me to speak out now!

I like signing up to forums - gives me a warm sense of belonging :-D

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Its a case of good for some and bad for others ;)

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

To be fair to Virgin, they started doing the "mess up the network" part during the summer of last year and the work is still ongoing. There were a lot of cab upgrades made and I'm betting this is the reason why - so hopefully, it won't be that bad.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

bbc posted on WWW Starting to increase speed all customers In feb 2012 well after last night when speed dropped to 0.98 MEG (Speed test) any increase would be great
where are the Pigs that are flying about landing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16491614
Tony
gu14 area

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Anyone have a link to the roll out timetable?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Is there any news on us Superhub 'refuseniks'? Obviously I won't get 60Mbit on my current SA 2100 modem but I remember reading here that I may get an increase.

In all honesty I'd rather have a greater bandwidth allowance before STM at peak time than a downspeed increase.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Well considering the current 30Mbit requires either a SuperHub or VMDG300 (which isn't available anymore), I would expect that any upgrades above 20Mbit will require a SuperHub

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

this bit made me laugh and cry.

laugh that a unlimited service has a bandwidth allowance O_o I presume they mean STM limits been doubled which brings me to the crying part.

Peak congestion about to get worse :(

Re: Virgin Media to double Broadband speed
 

:LOL:

There are already a couple in this thread :D

Just read about this! Very happy to see VM take the lead in offering the fastest speeds at a very competitive price.
I myself have always opted for the lower tier & therefore pay a little as possible & am always happy to wait for free speed upgrades even if it take a year our more.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Very happy with this news cause I was thinking on Upgrading to 100mb!

Anyone know if the upload speeds will also increase with this upgrade? I wouldn't mind 10mb Upload also :P

Also can my modem handle the 100mb speeds? VMNG300?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

100Mbit requires a SuperHub

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

From here

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

To be honest they might just ignore them and only upgrade those on Shubs :erm:

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

What about the Ambit 300? They support 100mbit as it stands.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Again, 100Mbit requires a SuperHub.

Virgin only allowed some customers to remain on the VMNG300 modems with 100Mbit due to complaints about the SuperHub and there was no modem mode.

The SuperHub now has modem mode.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

No need for the attitude, it was a valid question since there are people out there with 100meg on the Ambit 300's, which you admit yourself. I know Virgin is keen to push everyone onto the Superhub for a variety of reasons (mainly support costs I'm guessing).

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

And to be accurate :D it will be 120 meg :LOL:

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Aw Man I love my modem :( Hopefully all the problems that where around when the Superhub first came out have being sorted?

Great news on the Upload speed though :D

Re: Speed doubling?
 

I meant the £30 charge, will that be dropped for upgrade?
and will i lose any of my loyalty discounts too?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

It seems odd that this will take so long. And its also odd that they are announcing how much it will cost. I wonder if they are fishing for some of that government broadband fund?

With the high calliber of VM staff I'm sure this rule will be stuck to 100% and there will never be any VMNG300's on tiers they shouldnt be :erm:

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I'm using the VMNG300 on 100mbit, although as soon as >4 channels are required, I imagine it will be screwed.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Article in the Guardian here http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...roadband-speed

Interesting bit is this:

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Hi all

I currently have the 50Mb serve with a D-Link DIR-615 modem.

I was considering buying a range extender to give better coverage in my house but wondered if I am upgraded to the 100Mb package with a new super hub modem if the range will be better (so I don’t need to buy a range extender)…..

Any ideas or comemnts.

Many thanks for your time

Regards

Mike

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

There will be far far more on 50Mbps with a VMNG300 getting 100Mbps in this upgrade than there are on 100Mbps with a VMNG300 which we know currently works on 100Mbps so the repeated question was perfectly valid IMO.

Does that need a :LOL: or not?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I would expect anyone with a VMNG300 will need a SuperHub to get 100Mbit as part of this upgrade

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

As someone who has used both the DIR-615 and a Superhub, I didn't find there to be much difference in range between them. The edge went slightly to the D-link but that may have been due to installing DD-WRT. It's worth remembering that the D-link is, by and large, a pretty cheap/budget piece of equipment so it isn't capable of amazing things by wireless-n standards. The Superhub, as far as I'm aware, is technically better hardware-wise but has been hampered by software issues.

But the main thing to keep in mind is that the superhub has Gigabit Ethernet, while the D-link only does 100Mbit. If you're on a wired connection, you might see a bump just from switching to the Superhub.

Instead of buying a range extender, you might be better switching to the superhub and seeing how it goes. If it doesn't work out, then buy yourself a decent Wireless-N router and switch the superhub to modem-only mode.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Please tell me you are having a laugh. If not have a search for Superhub and WiFi and count the posts praising them (if you can find any) compared to the complaints.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

@BenMcr, can you ask your bosses if users with older modems will have to pay £30 to get their speed doubled when their area is upgraded, hoping to be upgraded from 20mb to 60mb for free without any charges.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

[QUOTE=Kushan;35359213]The edge went slightly to the D-link but that may have been due to installing DD-WRT. QUOTE]

Thanks for the reply...........what is DD-WRT ???

Many thanks

Mike

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

That level of information hasn't yet been released.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

As far as I can tell anyone needing a Superhub for the new speeds will not be charged for it.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

DD-WRT is a custom firmware for many routers (such as the DIR-615). It completely changes the interface (that you get when you go to http://192.168.0.1) and adds new/additional capabilities of the device. It's not really for the feint of heart though, it's more involved than say installing windows and if you make a mistake, you could brick your router. Its also still very much in beta and requires installing different versions to get something stable (for example, I got a new laptop recently and it wouldn't connect to it, so I updated the firmware - which fixed it, but prevented my smartphone from connecting. It took some trial and error to find a version that both worked with).

It does say in this BBC article:

Of course, we all know that free equipment sometimes comes with an "activation charge" but at the very least it implies that everyone gets a free superhub.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

It might. I dont think there is much of a differance between 110 and 120, I want the reduction in price more than the upgrade. :)

I have never disagreed with you on what works at 100 meg :). I honestly would have my vmg300 back tomorrow if i had the chance. It comes to something that as soon as i push the shub that little bit harder than what is standard i then have to jump on Modem mode and run my network via a clearos router and wireless repeater.

Yes your are correct lots of users on 50 will just take the 100 to ensure they keep the VMG300 modem :)

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

but it says:

They didn't say ALL users with old modems will get free equipment, i presume they mean that but the wording the vm P.R dept used was poor.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Depending on the tier, you may not need new kit e.g most of those going from 10Mbit to 20Mbit wont need a new modem

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

That's a missed opportunity if ever there was one :confused:.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

ahh, i see. Well i'll stay on 20mb until my area is upgraded, i should then get new modem then will downgrade to the L 20mb package and save myself a bit of £. Its a shame the bandwidth for the new 20mb will be the same seeing as though iplayer hd and netflix hd use alot of bandwidth, alot of users might not be able to get highest quality at the reduced 5mb speed. Virgin need to check this out as virgin could lose quite a few customers as a result of this.

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not really forcing nearly all their customers to pay £30 when most don't even use all their 10mb would lead to huge numbers of poorer customers quitting. Would seriously hurt virgin more than the cost of upgrading the modems.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

What do you mean, bandwidth is the same?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

The fallout from customers wouldn't be worth it, but rest assured Virgin will benefit from this. For one, if they only supply one type of Modem, they can order huge numbers of them, meaning each modem costs less. Furthermore, they won't have to support older modem types - which means training is easier (i.e. cheaper) and they won't need to keep their internal tools and software up to date for them. It'll cost a bit up front, but in the end Virgin will save money.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

first of all this is a good start PR wise but VM really need to push the SH.. think what you will of it, its security that needs priority first and foremost!

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I'd expect early 2014 for me then. Still don't even have a proper 50mbit service yet, and that was supposed to finish being rolled out last year.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

It all wrong maths by VM:

Broadband Size : S (up to 2Mb) > Up to 5Mb
Broadband Size : M (up to 10Mb) > Up to 20Mb
Broadband Size : L (up to 10Mb) > Up to 20Mb
Broadband Size : XL (up to 20Mb or 30Mb) > Up to 60Mb
Broadband Size : XXL (up to 50Mb) > Up to 100Mb
Broadband Size : 100 (up to 100Mb) > Up to 120Mb – Note these increases will start from summer 2012

Should be like this:

Broadband Size : S (up to 2Mb) > Up to 4Mb
Broadband Size : M (up to 10Mb) > Up to 20Mb
Broadband Size : L (up to 10Mb) > Up to 20Mb
Broadband Size : XL (up to 20Mb or 30Mb) > Up to 60Mb
Broadband Size : XXL (up to 50Mb) > Up to 100Mb
Broadband Size : 100 (up to 100Mb) > Up to 200Mb – Note these increases will start from summer 2012

What happen to VM promise of 200 Meg ? I want 200 not 120 !

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

What security?

Re: Speed doubling?
 

I wonder how this will pan out for 20mb users without a Superhub

Re: Speed doubling?
 

They'll need one to get 60Mbit. Based on previous upgrades, anyone that needs new kit to get the new speed for their tier will get one for free

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I reckon they'll need to fix this one. I can't see people paying £10 (? is that correct) extra just for an additional 10% in headline speed which may well vanish in congesion anyway.

What hasn't been announced is the new traffic management which I thought would be linked with the headline speed upgrades - maybe there will be differentiation there.

I'm guessing that the limited max speed to 120Mbps reflects that they won't have 8 bonded downstreams across the network any time soon unless they are being sensible :Yikes: and regard that increased bandwidth as congestion relief. I'm assuming extra channels being bonded would be significantly more available bandwidth per modem - I don't know enough about cable infrastructure to know that for sure though.

Re: Speed doubling?
 

30mb users will NOT need a new modem.

Re: Speed doubling?
 

30Mbit customers with a VMDG300 might

P.S not saying they definately will, but it's a possibility

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Agree. If prices stay the same, why would i want to stay on the top service (120mb) when for a good bit less i can just drop to 100mb. Or am i missing something?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Personally I can't see Virgin running a 100 and 120 tier

I think what is possibly more likely (personal guess here) is that everyone on 100Mbit will get a further increase to 120Mbit

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Wireless G isn't capable of more than 25mbps at any distance. The technology simply does not allow it. You won't get 30 or 45 at any distance.

Wrong. Wireless-N is far better in terms of advertised speeds vs real speeds. G will achieve 25 out of 54 at best. N will achieve 60 out of 72. 65/72 is the default, standard, basic rate of N. Speeds above 72/144 have to be disabled by default on most wifi certified devices.

No.

Completely wrong. Most laptops have 2x2, and 2x2 is 300mbit. 3x3 is 450, not 300. Wireless-N doesn't have any single speed rating (up to 600 is easily possible), just because 300 is the most common rating so far doesn't mean wireless-N is only 300.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I am sure that a lot more information will flow over the next month, Be it by leaks or official announcements. Traffic management will i feel make or break this.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Saw ispreview stated here:

Planned VirginMedia Download Speed Upgrades
* 10Mb increased to 20Mb [2Mbps Uploads]
* 20Mb and 30Mb increased to 60Mb [6Mbps Uploads]
* 50Mb increased to 100Mb [10Mbps Uploads]
* 100Mb increased to 120Mb [12Mbps Uploads]

Why is upload is really bad on top tied 120Mb ? Should be 40Mb upload but why 12Mb ??

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Would anyone know (or like to speculate) about pricing for those on 20mb and 30mb. In so much as; won't people be inclined to downgrade to a presumably cheaper 20mb to get the same speed (60mb) as those paying for 30mb?
Or perhaps the difference between 20mb and 30mb users getting the upgrade would be like those now on the different 10mb & 20mb (M & L) who have different STM limits and upload speeds?

I hope that made sense :D

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

XL 20 and XL 30 cost exactly the same. If anything XL 30 is slightly cheaper for some customers than the XL 20 they are currently on

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Because the uploads all have a 10:1 ratio of the download

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Re: Virgin Media to double Broadband speed
 

Easy to be cavalier about timescales, you aren't still waiting for the upstream uplift.

As it was I'm so fed up of waiting and seeing constant delays I've ordered VDSL. Well played VM, continuous incompetence, indifference and repeatedly ****ing me about has certainly borne fruit.

In other news this is obviously very, very good news for all customers, there are few reasons for complaint beyond that the blessed areas will start getting these increases in March while some will be waiting until the middle of next year and 15 months for upgrades on a cable network passing 12 million homes is laughable.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Ah, I see. Isn't that a bit weird? A lower tier being the same price I mean?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

This isn't true, I've hit 30+ on a wireless G system, myself (it was good equipment and I was right next to the modem). And by Wireless-G I mean G, not G+ or any of those other ones rated above 54Mbps.


I said advertised speeds, I'm talking about what's written on the front of the box, not what Windows is telling you that you're idling at. You see plenty of stuff advertising as "Wireless-N, up to 300Mbit!" but it'll never hit that. It might say it's connected at that and report it to windows as 300mbit, but it won't get that kind of throughput.


Umm...yes? I mean "No" isn't exactly much of an argument. But the point is that most people, I'm talking about 90% of Virgin's 4million BBI customers, will buy cheap stuff because it's cheap. Why pay £700 for a laptop when PC world has one on sale for £250? Bargain! And that's where the cheapnesss creeps in - wireless is nearly always one of the first things to get cut down because it'll still be rated as Wireless-N on the box no matter what.


Read what I said above, the problem is what's written on the box doesn't necessarily meet what the equipment can actually handle - you only have to look at the Superhub itself to see that.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Yes, but that's not dependent on the SuperHub. The Hub and older modems can also do the modem security

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Dont forget for those on 100 Mbit who want to see the full 120 Mbit check your network cards are 1 gig cards and not 10/100 ;)

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

At the time it was done so that there wasn't a forced upgrade for 20Mbit customers i.e you could opt in for £30 an no monthly cost increase

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Correct. That is all old news now with the latest security on the network and is just not an impact any more. Just a case of scare mongering to highlight an agenda if you ask me.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Yes and not suitable for any N wi fi wireless laptop will failed to get 100 Meg!

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Will it be 120Mb + a bit for overhead or 120Mb including overhead? :)

I'm not that fussed about the slight increase myself (on 110Mb currently) but for users as a whole it seems to be good news.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

old news yet still today clones make it onto the network :confused:

agenda: to kill off vermin.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I may have got this wrong but I thought the security got switched on as part of the upload increases in each area, so as soon as the final area gets the upload increase then there will be no way to do it

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Will be 124Mb (including overhead) 100Mb is 104Mb so 120Mb become 124Mb.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

We both know it does not technically require a Superhub, that the VMNG300 is capable of handling 100mb speeds, and some users have managed to wrangle their way into doing so outside of normal channels.

Does this mean, then, that the "free" upgrade will be refused to VMNG300 users on 50mb?

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Which hasn't changed what the VMNG300 is capable of, nor has VM sent out Superhubs to all existing customers with VMNG300 on 100mb.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

My VMNG300 can do 104 Meg no problem!

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Sooner or later someone will find somebody in the company they can sleep with to get what the service they want.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

if thats the case then I think security needs looking at. in fact security needs looking at and improving period.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

It won't be screwed, it will continue working fine just as before. 4 channels already gives you 200mb, >4 will never be "required" to run 100mb on the DOCSIS level.

What VM decides they want you to do or chooses to enforce is another matter, and whether this will impact end-user performance is still up for debate.

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Would expect as in, you are guessing?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Cloned modems are a very small issue and will very shortly become no issue.

Re: Speed doubling?
 

But based on the last upgrade, i.e. 20 to 30mb, they did *not* get the new kit for free.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

As in Virgin have technically always required the SuperHub for 100Mbit. Allowing the VMNG300 for it was always an exception (usually by CEOs)

So why would they suddenly allow it as part of the tier change when they don't allow it as part of the normal product?

Re: Speed doubling?
 

Policy wise, possibly, technically though, 60mb over 200 is not going to be noticeably different from the current 53 over 200 setup.

Re: Speed doubling?
 

That's because that wasn't a tier upgrade. XL 30 was a new tier that just happened to cost the same as the existing 20Mbit service

20Mbit is still available for customers on 2/10Mbit with a modem and want to upgrade but don't want to pay the £30 fee for a SuperHub

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I remember now - £30 for a Superhub. Thanks for clearing that up.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

As far as I know, each channel on DOCSIS3 is capable of 50Mbit so yeah, 4x channels gets you 200Mbit (just about). Once again, there is no reason technically to have to have a Superhub, however I do also know that virgin has had support issues with the Ambit 300 in the past (issues regarding firmware updates that they had to pay through the nose for), which is probably why they want people off them as soon as possible.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I can see many 50mbit people downgrading to be honest.

They can downgrade to 30 and still get a speedbump to 60.

VM never seem to learn on these free speed bumps. If I want more speed I just need to wait a year and VM will upgrade me free on a annual basis.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

No you didn't, it's impossible. Period.

No, but if it's connected at 300 you can get up to 220. If wireless G was scaled to 300 the protocol still wouldn't allow more than ~120


Even £150 Netbooks have 2x2.

If it's written on the box, the equipment can handle it. Whether it can handle it well and reliably is another matter. What's your point? N is slower than G? Rubbish.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

your words are comforting :D

that said its not as small as it should be but I look forward to the all out kill. a clear up of addresses would be welcomed to!

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

But looking at the other side of the coin, if exceptions could be made before, what's to say they will stop allowing exceptions now?

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I thought you already admitted it WASN'T cloning affecting your connection?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

The only reason exceptions were made was due to the lack of an easy way to use your own kit with the SuperHub as modem mode wasn't in it yet. Now the SuperHub does have a modem mode so no exceptions are needed

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I support VM and its paying customers as a whole.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

I think with these upgrades VM will be trying to get as many customers as possible on to the superhub. As in you will need to register for the quick start pack to be sent before the speed increase will be applied to you.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Fair point, but as long as exceptions can be made, there may be other reasons that come up that justify it.

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Assuming obviously, they have an accurate record of who has what, can exclude existing Superhub owners, and have ways of dealing with customers who have e.g. two modems or inaccurate records. Chances of VM getting all that right? :P

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Such as?

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

exactly what should happen, intense PR for an all round happy ending

in hope they should get it done. whats the point in all this if they don't do everything within their power to sort the mess out.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

You keep missing the point I'm making. The difference between advertised (on the box) speeds and actual speeds. Wireless-G is so old and so mature that even the cheapest of Wireless-G equipment is comparable to the mid end stuff. As long as you don't seriously cheapen out, your wireless-G bog-standard dongle will probably be about as good as a Netgear dongle that's twice the price (as an example). Wireless-N, being relatively new doesn't have this effect and so you get a huge variance in quality. Compare a no-name Wireless-N dongle with say a TP-Link dongle, then compare that to say the Intel Advanced Wireless-N you find in some decent laptops and the difference is like night and day between each (with the intel one completely stomping over the pair of them). The Cheap Wireless-N stuff is only marginally better than Wireless-G, but the good Wireless-N stuff is terrific.
However, most people only own cheap equipment, either because they don't care or just seen "wireless-N" and thought it was as good as any other. I mean really, when was the last time you even seen a laptop advertise which flavour of Wireless-N equipment it used?


Ok, so I'll stand corrected on the antennae arrangement if it keeps you happy, but the point is still there - most consumers have crap equipment with limited range and throughput. Even some 3x3 devices suck compared to decent 2x2 stuff.


Whether it can handle it well and reliably is exactly what I'm talking about, but as I said you keep missing the point. I don't know where you get that I said N was worse/slower than G, please quote me on that one. All I said was that the difference in advertised speeds versus actual speeds was greater, due to the above point.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

Once your VMNG300 fails it will be replaced by a Superhub because the is nothing else to replace it with, so all this talk of what the VMNG300 is capable does not really matter one iota because once yours is dead then tough it cannot be replaced like for like.

Re: Virgin Media to Double Broadband Speed
 

depends the reason i went o 50mb was because of stm i dnt liek employing stm off my own to the conenction so i dnt get stmed full stop, i prefer the non restrictiong only restriction being usenet/p2p and uplaod speed which ic an live with i want to downlaod full speed without the worry of being slowed for doign so and if that why peopel are on 50mb i doubt they will downgrade even with a improve usage for 60mb you will stillge tstmed