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Got R30 eventually, Superhub still useless for music streaming with Aiport Express. Think I'm gonna put it into modem mode and use the Airport as a router.

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

Sorry perhaps a little misleading , yes its in modem mode , and i know wireless is obviously off on the superhub , just saying that the wireless signal on my router compared to the superhub is much stronger :)

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FACT: Thecurrent VM blurb claims "unbeatable wireless" for the SH.

FACT: At least one user (prolly many more but I don't have the stats) reports that his router's wireless is stronger than the SH's wireless.

OPINION: VM needs to justify its claims.

Is that "calm & rational" enough?

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i agree with the above from seph. The marketing department need to communicate with the tech/networks departments. They advertise somewhat wrongly as seph has mentioned, the claims that the superhub is a premium modem/router, when its performance compares to a sub £20 router

As well as this, the "perfect for gaming" adverts are somewhat misleading, claiming that VM are perfect for gaming, and getting 50mbit will solve all lag etc. making users think they need 50mbit to play games. The timing of the games ads were somewhat off as well considering they were advertising the "perfect for gaming" when there were ongoing problems with xbox live, call of duty and WoW being misclassified by the traffic management system.

Anyway, the top and bottom is that VM are supplying cheap hardware and advertising it as a premium service

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Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

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A few more fun facts:

FACT: The Superhub's wireless isn't even Wifi certified
FACT: The Superhub's wireless cannot pass Wifi certification in it's current state as VM have have it set to violate Wifi alliance standards

Opinion: VM didn't even bother trying to get the Superhub wifi certified

Conspiracy theory: Because they knew the wireless is so bad they'd never even have a chance, they took the opposite route to make it behave as badly and selfishly as possible purely for their own benefit (e.g. to push up their speedtest results while also negatively impacting those of other isps)

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Opinion: What a wretched device where wifi is concerned. (or is that FACT?)

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It may be a fact for some people, but not for others.......;)

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thanks for sharing your latency cat with us :)

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Not my cat, just how the Superhub makes me feel.

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What, like a pussy?

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I like pussies.

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So this WiFi certificate is fake then? http://certifications.wi-fi.org/pdf_...hp?cid=WFA9077

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Looks Photoshopped to me.....:D

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They may have got that before they messed with the firmware like turning lots of options off before we got it?
I know that when you could SSH into it there was a lot more it could do
who knows what VM have done to make this even worse.

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Poor old Qas! I hate it when that happens to me.

Anyway, what's a VMDG 400? Excuse my ignorance, please.

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Haven't a clue

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I expect that most of what the router can and cannot do is irrelevent for WiFi certification

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"It is generally created by one company and made available or sold to other companies to be used as-is or with enhancements or modifications.

http://www.wi-fi.org/knowledge_center/insist-on-wifi-certified

So they can pass the super Hub but VM are allowed to fook it up and keep that wi-fi pass lmfao
you could not make this stuff up :)

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

VM don't write the firmware Netgear do.

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Apparently, you can, and just did.....:D

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Nah, that was the pre-release Netgear base unit. Not fake but invalid. VM invalidated it when they changed the "final" firmware to violate the requirements for certification after the fact, hence why there's no "Wifi certified" sticker on the unit itself. That certificate does not apply to the current product as sold.

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The Netgear device (as submitted for testing on/before May 09, 2010) was fine. VM didn't release it until Nov/Dec, by which time the firmware had been modified to be no longer compliant. The hardware (as said before) is fine and hasn't changed. I did say "in it's current state" ;)

Wifi certificates aren't automatically revoked whenever anyone makes a firmware tweak, but if the submitted device is materially different to the actually sold device in terms of wifi compliance VM need to get it re-tested. It is the licensee's responsibility to disclose any modifications to the alliance and have it recertified at their own cost. Whether they haven't or they tried and failed, it's not complaint in it's current state.

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Well no, it's VM's responsibility to get it retested when they make changes, but they clearly haven't (or they tried and got a fail). In fact the latter is probably more likely since, they've made no claims on the unit, box, or website that the unit's wifi certified suggesting they know full well it isn't.

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Then why does it have the VM model number. If it's the base unit, then it would only carry that model number

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Because it's the same unit? I already said the hardware is the same...

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But if Netgear submitted it for certification, then it would carry the Netgear model number only

The WiFi alliance wouldn't know it's also the VMDG480 unless Netgear advised them it was.

Netgear would have no reason to submit it under the VMDG480 model unless they wanted that revision to also be certified. I can also find no other reference to 'CG3101D' apart from in reference to the SuperHub - which again would seem to indicate the SuperHub was specifically submitted for certification rather than any Netgear stock unit.

As Netgear are the ones that write the firmware, they would be aware of any changes that would 'invalidate' it's certification.

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I never said Netgear didn't submit it... I said the firmware has materially changed since submission, not the model number. I'm not sure where you get the idea from that the Wifi alliance must have plucked the model number out of thin air. Nobody has said that.

I believe both VM and Netgear know the device in it's current state is not compliant, hence my theory that that is why there has been no attempt (other than by yourself) to claim the device is Wifi certified.

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

Actually it was you that said:

Which is wrong

Also it just doesn't add up. Why would Netgear/VM certify the SuperHub in May 2010 and then within 7 months purporsely invalidate that certification?

It's Netgear that write the firmware, not VM. VM ask for features and/or bug fixes, but it's Netgear that complete that. So you are saying that Netgear are that bad at things that they can't keep their own firmware from 'invalidating' itself

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

Well it was an opinion - and certified/recertified means the same to me.

See my Conspiracy theory bit earlier. The particular "invalidation" has the indirect side effects of increasing average speedtest scores for VM users and decreasing average speedtest scores for non-VM (superhub) users. I guess that's more important than, say, getting consumers to choose a product because of its certification since we know they decided in the end not to give anyone any choice in the matter anyway.

What else doesn't add up is why would Netgear/VM bother certifying the Superhub and yet never actually bothering to make use of that certification, for example by not claiming it's certified, or putting the logo on the box or device. The whole point of certification after all is being licensed to use the "WiFi certified" logo and branding. As I say, since VM are forcing everyone to take a superhub on certain tariffs, it makes no difference to them if a user wants to choose it or not because of it's certification - whereas speedtest results as we all know matter a lot to VM.

Well no, VM requested a specific change to the default settings on the firmware that makes it no longer compliant. Netgear obeyed because VM told them to.

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

Is that your opinion, or do you have evidence to back up that assertion?

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Opinion.

Either Netgear or VM decided to change it, and given how many VM staff on here have said the Superhub is set up the way it is because VM told Netgear that's how they wanted it, my assumption is the latter.

If Netgear decided to do it of their own accord and without VM's input, well that goes against pretty much everything else they do and also pretty much everything VM staff here and on their own forums have said about the products development. Balance of probabilities really.

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To be honest all these opinions that everyone has been spouting are worthless in my eyes, I prefer to deal with facts, I could say in my opinion the super hub is able to time travel and because its an opinion i don't have to back it up with evidence and it will be accepted by those on the one side and ignored by the other side :LOL:

This thread is getting boring now, The same people on both sides spouting there opinions and in the end if you guys hate it so much then why not just use modem mode or move to a provider who is as perfect as you or does that mean you cannot moan anymore.

My feelings are that VM should provide a stand alone modem at extra cost for those who want one.

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Sorry, everyone's opinion is worthless* :)

* Except the ones I agree with, since I have been saying the same thing for nearly a year

And I already have 3 good providers, no need to move.

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

Try reading it all, It gets tedious and boring :)

If i tried to say by shub is working fine and does what I need it to do you can guarantee i will be surrounded by the no there crap gang telling me i am wrong and the shub is crap. That's what is so boring about all this

Anyway i am out of this thread before i die of boredom

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

Hold on. Netgear are building the firmware right? And VM have said their going to look to improve the SH and its features so I ask again.. why are they taking a break? Why don't they have Netgear start building the new firmware by means it can be tested in the lab etc. etc. this new firmware, R30 is enough to see the SH through to the next upgrade so why not start now? Don't they need to somewhat recoupe their fallen rep?

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

Where has it been said they are taking a break?

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on the community forum, staff member said it a while back regarding further improvements.

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Considering it has taken a year to ignore one setting (flood protection), add a gui option to a feature already present (modem mode), and fix a memory leak bug the chances are there will be different CPE released before the Superhub is upgraded to the feature set offered by a £20 router. The only up market feature is the gigabit switch.

My opinion. You won't see any significant improvements to the Superhub any time soon and probably never. You want better before you start drawing a pension - buy a proper router and use modem mode.

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Well, Kwikkie's spot on there. One of the reasons it is such a wretched device is that it is so sluhhed in the features department. R30 was grudgingly (because it took so long to be acknowledged by VM) added so that people could avoid the SH's lameness and lack of features.

When certain people come in and insist it's not a wretched device, you've got to wonder what's up with them.

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

Interesting it seems VM techs are giving out dlink 615's again alongside the superhub in modem mode, seen a couple of posts on the VM forums on it.

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Proberly aimed at me because i said it does what i want it to do so for that reason i will bite, I never said its not and i have never said it is a wretched device as you put it. Each person should be allowed to make up there own mind based on there usage not based on a group of users personal opinions, but to return the attack i would say you have to wonder why some complain relentlessly about the shub in this thread when they don't even use a shub anymore.

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

No Sirius, it wasn't aimed at you and my remark still doesn't point in any way at you.

To answer a point you make about relentless complaint about the SH - it is both possible and reasonable to stand back, look at the SH saga that has been going on for nearly a year and justifiably describe that slugged thing as a wretched device. The facts about that device (not the anecdote) speak for themselves and if the remark "wretched device" is wrong (which it isn't, opinion), then VM themselves have been wretched in at least the time taken to resolve matters without providing a vanilla or paid for alternative.

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As it seems OK to bite on little evidence that any post was a personal barb I'll respond to this one..

I rather liked the idea of a single device so that I didn't have to yank cables left right and centre for TS should I ever have a fault. Although I have a loft full of old ADSL modem routers I only had the Netgear cable modem VM supplied which with a 100Mbps switch meant I couldn't attach anything to it other than a gigabit switch, just as I did with the ADSL routers in fact, so the Superhub with it's dual band radio and gigabit switch sounded good. So good I waited till they were free with a 50Mbps upgrade and took that option. I was disappointed with the distinctly poor feature set and regular need to reboot the thing so I had to splash out on my own gigabit router as I had reorganised my kit and needed those extra gigabit ports.

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

Got a link to that info

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My comment was aimed at those who have now got a stand alone modem but are still complaining about how crap the shub is even after they admit they dont use it anymore :)

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Hard to argue with that. The DIR-615 has been one of the best value consumer 'n' routers available for some time.

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Not me then - I don't complain about it any more as I no longer care - I just sympathise with those who either have to put up with it or splash out on a cable router which they used to get free from VM.

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

I never used it to begin with. Nor would I need to have something myself to know it's crap.

I don't have a Toshiba laptop but I know they're wretched and that's exactly why I don't use one. I know fair well simply because of the number of them I keep getting brought in to me to be fixed. As with the Superhub, I'll complain as much as I like. Similarly, you don't have to own or use a terrorist to complain about terrorists.

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Yeah - but it's not as if we can't comment on the bleedin' obvious. And it all goes to VM's flawed attitude.

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Oi. I do and it's not wretched (opinion)! My Qosmio has run flawlessly for 2½ years (fact) and connects night and day (fact) to Virgin Media's excellent (opinion) broadband service.

Other than that, well said. BTW, the engineer came round yesterday and because the current problem has been escalated to Networks, I'm deprived yet again of the SH to replace my flawless (fact) VMNG300.

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Sirius here is one of them.

http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/.../731009#M76480

So many posts on there tho I couldnt find the other sorry.

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Seems like he used it to 'troubleshoot' rather than 'engineers are handing them out'

Irrespective, it still didn't fix the problem which seems to suggest that it is a network problem and not linked to the superhub at all.

It's the same whenever they release updates to the xbox, if anyones device fails they blame the update.

I would suggest that alot of problems are being blamed on the hub when they are in fact network issues, it may very well be that the hub magnifies those issues at times. (it tends to focus the mind a little when something changes)

I do find it funny that you have spent months on end (Chrysalis) in this and other threads complaining about the Superhub and you have never used one. Each to their own I guess. I don't mean that in a bad way, i wish i had as much passion about something that does not affect me at all.

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I'm having serious WIFI problems since the V30 upgrade. Anyone else or am I alone in this?

Kindle now can't hold a connection with it for more than 60 seconds. Laptop drops the connection every couple of days and doesn't reconnect. Bad when you're trying to use B&S and now they seem to have capped it at 1/4Mbps upload.

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

have you gone through various steps to get it working? channel change, mode matching to the rate your wireless devices can handle etc.

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Thenry, I can't believe I didn't think of checking the channel, it never crossed my mind that R30 would change it. Sure enough it has. It has put me on to a much worse channel - 10 in this case. I've manually changed it back to what it was before R30 (1 in my case) and it is working fine now for the Kindle and I suspect the laptop too.

Thanks Thenry. Sometimes the answer is right in front of you.

No thanks to Virgin who seem to have done their level best to knacker my router (it was a lot more than just the WIFI by the way). On a point score out of 10 VM get -1 from me. On the plus side, short of sending an electricity surge through to my router and exploding the thing, the next upgrade can't be any worse.

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the famous auto function. i thought you was blasting me at 1 point reading your post. vm get -1? so do i get +10? can i have that in black and white and also recognition of my greatness where you put thenry is the greatest in your user title.

btw if you don't already know about inSIDDer.. install it on a wireless capable device (laptop) and spy on networks and the channels they use.

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For goodness sake, don't give them ideas! I'm happy with the service the ntl256 delivers, I don't want them coming up with ways to break it. :D

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the company may not but **** sure will sniffing cracks.

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Does anyone else find that modem mode is a tad bit slower? I'm using an Asus RT-N16 with DD-WRT firmware and my ping is generally 2ms higher and my download speeds are slightly lower (before it was 5.9MB/s+) whereas now its more variable between 5.2MB/s and 5.7MB/s generally.

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Try connecting the Superhub directly to your PC in modem mode. If the speed and ping improves, it's your ASUS router that's slowing you up. If not, try disabling modem mode and running it normally. If the speed and ping are still poor it is likely a fault with your cable connection. If they improve then it must be a Superhub fault.

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don't you mean down ;)

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OED:

4. a. To slacken in speed; to move or go more slowly.

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b. With advs., as down, up.
1881 Cent. Mag. XXIII. 184 Slowing up, the..Cunarder..drew towards us. 1885 W. D. Howells Silas Lapham (1891) I. 61 He brought the mare down to a walk, and then slowed up almost to a stop. 1891 Cornhill Mag. Jan. 15 He slowed down into a shambling walk.

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thanks for that Oxford

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Thanks. I've just done as suggested, and it does seem to me that the issue is with the Asus router as it seems fine connected directly to the PC. I'll have a fiddle with the settings to see what I can do. One thing I wasn't sure about was if 'STP' needed to be enabled or disabled and what the MTU should be.

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

Wait, are you trying to say I have never used a superhub?

I havent posted here for months, I took a break from it.

Not only have I used one but I am a beta tester for the firmware.

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

Are you now on a stand alone modem or have you moved back to the shub ?

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Right at this moment I am back on the vmng300 as current testing has finished and for 'me' the vmng300 is still a superior device.

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No sorry I was referring to qasdfdsaq who stated they had never used one :dozey:

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Eh? Didn't you name Chrys specifically in regard to that comment?

Anyway, who (among the technically savvy community at least) needs to have used a SH to recognise a wretched device that has taken VM nearly a year to sort out and is still lame in the router features department?

I, for one, am relieved not to have suffered from the SH's blight.

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

My superhub's honeymoon with R30 seems to be over. :(

Rebooting has started again.

It seems that as a router it is still rubbish.

Time to try out modem mode now.

Huawei Super Hub VMDG 485
 

Very informative Ben this made me look around a bit....

So I guess this WiFi certificate is also not a fake?

Huawei's version of the Super Hub

Some interesting info:

Certificate Date: July 22, 2011
Company: Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd.
Product: Super Hub
Model/SKU #: VMDG485

Is it worthwhile that the Huawei certificate also states:

Optional 802.11n Capabilities
- Short Guard Interval
- Greenfield Preamble
- TX A-MPDU
- STBC
- 40 MHz operation in 2.4 GHz
with coexistence mechanisms
- 40 MHz operation in 5 GHz
- HT Duplicate (MCS 32)

and

Special Features
....
- Internal Registrar
- External Registrar

Seems like the Huawei is already a more advanced device? At least it was in July

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What an excellent first post from HuaweiHank! "At least it was in July". Very perceptive seeing as the VM dudes on the forum have said that the two SH's will be indistinguishable from each other.

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From the VM community forum

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That doesn't mean alot. When the Netgear version was sent for certification it probably had an early firmware on it that gave just enough to pass whilst disabling features which were still being worked on. The Huawei version will have had a later firmware whilst being certified enabling things that are now available on the Netgear version.

The devices will be the same design. We know this. They will use the same firmware. We know this. They will source their components from different places for resiliency purposes, we can guess that will be the case. Which components are most stable? Who knows, though Huawei don't usually do well at build quality.

The feature set will be the same though. So we are told. I see no advantage in VM creating problems for themselves by giving people a reason to moan about getting a specific version when VM can't provide any specific version to a requesting customer.

Don't read too much into the certificates other than it meets a certain feature set at the moment the certificate was issued.

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Calm down, yes I did quote Chrys (in error) and I said sorry.

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What's with this calm down?

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That Huwai superhub cert also mentions Dual Band. Hmm! I wonder if this will be the one businesses get?

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

In this forum the following was said:

By Masque in post #127

By Stephen (OK, not a VM dude) in post #129

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It appears to me this is a third superhub, not one of the two mentioned before (net gear/cisco) and, tbf, do you think front line staff are kept informed of R&D contractual developments?

(for instance, I am working with a few of my techs in some pretty cool stuff on virtualised firewalls, but 98% of my team don't know about it, and the others are under NDA ;) ).

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Hugh

When Masque puts himself across as authoritative on this forum (which those quoted words appeared to be), due credence is given.

When his Lordship Stephen comes in confirming what Masque has said ....

So now this is a third SH. Maybe. We'll see. As long as it's better than the wretched device that preceded it.

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I can't say what Stephen and Masque know, as our acquaintance is virtual, and I don't work with them (or anyone at VM).

You make your views informed by your experience of the VMDG480, mine are informed by mine.

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

I take note of what users say, and now, most particularly, what VM have said about the memory leaks that have plagued the SH for nearly a year.

That you can't bring yourself to criticise that sorry situation is not to your credit.

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

(scratch record) VM can recoupe their rep if they go all out and upgrade the firmware further. Without knowing for sure that their on it now when they have said "their going to take a break" just adds fuel to this joke of a business plan.

can i ask why Ciscos, the daddy isn't dealing with the firmware?

Re: Huawei Super Hub VMDG 485
 

Well well well. STBC, MC32, and a proper 2.4Ghz mode. This could actually mean good range and reliability. A decent superhub in the making? Who'd have thunk it...

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If they use different components and have different features, they can't possibly use the same firmware.

Nor is Netgear likely to give Huawei access to their code.

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Maybe the new hub will be for 100 customers and the current one for 50 and 30. I can't see that they'll have two differently performing units provided at random. If they do I think there will be an extraordinarily high level of failures of the lesser spec version. Certainly if I had been issued with an inferior one there would be a very high risk of it failing in service.

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Exactly what is means, calm down, it was an error on my part and I said sorry to Chrys, no need to make a big issue out of it.

To be quite frank your constant 'wretched' comments about the SuperHub are getting bit boring now, we get it, you are not a fan, but you don't need to keep saying it. I for one have had zero problems with my hub but I don't feel the need to constantly tell everyone about it.

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I am a VMdude. Check my sig, I have worked for VM for a long time. Since the NTL days.

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The is going to be 2 residential Superhubs but you will not have a choice as to which you will get.

I have actually taken the time to read as much as I can about the new Superhub but obviously that is something I am not going to post here as it is business sensitive information and all Virginmedia staff have the same access if they care to look on the intranet.

---------- Post added at 11:26 ---------- Previous post was at 11:24 ----------

This will be the second residential Superhub.

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

Had the new "ish" Superhub delivered Monday dinner, went thru the setup via the destructions, all up and running ok within 30 mins - and yes its an R30 I did look. - then to sort the neighbour thought i'd give wifi a chance thru my/his Tp WA730re extender rather than mess with APN's, direct line of sight to his flat and blow me 4 bars straight off, occasionally drops to 2 but as ive recently learned its usually best to ignore signal bars as there's no industry standard and if they light up then you have a connection. He's as happy as a pig in ****. Just to satisfy my mind which would give the stronger signal - wifi or change the Tp to an APN. No drop-outs, power surges, silly lights etc etc.

Just the blue flashing one at the top is a bit bright in a darkened room :p:

for those struggling turn off DHCP on the extender or it all conflicts

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

When you say neweish which model is it a 480 or a 485.

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

Just had a shufty -- its the 480

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

I do not think the 485 has been released as yet except to a select few triallists.

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

Yeah - I got you and Hugh the wrong way round in my mind. So now I quoted two VM dudes - even better authority!

Re: R30 - Superhub R29 is no more....
 

Thank you ! The credit should go to BenMCR really as it was his insight on the WiFi certification that made me look further.

This has proven an interesting exercise with more information being confirmed by the Virginmedia people, who I suspect have also learned for that first time that the two units will not be "identical" and the Huawei appears to have a superior specification.

On that note I asked a more informed friend in the US about the additional functionality. She is familiar with Broadcomm, and advises that the additional functionality could come from Huawei using a newer chipset, or more likely Huawei are developing on the latest 5-5-5 codebase, while Netgear may be on an older version that does not support the additional functionality.

So it looks like the Huawei will support concurrent 2.4 and 5GHz modes ?

I cannot see any Huawei approvals for the 485 on The Certified Eurodocsis Devices List though.

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The current Netgear Hubs aren't on there either nor is the standalone D3 modem, so it doesn't look like a full list

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The will still be no option to get the 485 instead of the 480 as you will just get whatever is on the shelf nothing more.;)

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@ Masque, I was reading a post on here about the adapters. why don't vm supply 30Mb customers with adapters?

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Because Wireless G that is most people's laptops is fine for 30Mbit

However Wireless 'N' is required for 50Mbit and 100Mbit, so to make sure that people can get the speeds the adapters are supplied

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I wouldn't be surprised. The chipset in the "original" Superhub is ancient and deprecated (and has been for years).

No. Certificate says it's dual-band selectable, which is the same as the old Superhub.

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No it's not. The best devices won't go above 24mbps even under ideal conditions. Most average G gear tops out at 16-20mbps next to the router.

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There's no more requirement for 'N' at 50mbps than 30mbps. You won't get full speed without 'N' on either.

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You were still wrong on the identical features and identical performance part though.

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Who'da thunk that a guy who works as a 1st line tech and another who works in a completely different business unit in a non-related position wouldn't be totally informed as to the minutae of upcoming CPE.

People will start thinking that non-professional/executive employees don't know everything that goes on within a multi-billion dollar over 4,000,000 customer company at this rate.

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I know more about this device than you ever will though and strangely that is a 100% fact because I have access to our intranet.:rolleyes:

Also be aware the will be no option of getting one device instead of the other.:D