re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

i hope the turks chop them up and serve up a mob kebab ,fair play to them i say

Re: Riots in Tottenham
 

I see nothing wrong with baton guns or water cannon, I would never agree to the use of deadly force however.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Your not a outsider then are you? Your a Londoner :)

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Thanks for that link Damien, Restored some of my faith in the ethnics there mate. Thanks.;)

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

This isn;t about acts of terror, instead this is about mobs who just want their 10 minutes of fame or a new TV for free..

The tottenham riot last night was a reaction to the shooting. Where as all the other riots since then are either looters or mobs who just want to rob/steal or smash/burn. They don't care about terror or what the public think about themselves instead they're just doing it for their own gratification.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/20...-live#block-47

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I do wonder how many people will be arrested for stabbing people 'burglarising' thier property this evening?

Seriously, this country has become one huge wet lettuce, I have been saving for a new car, I am really seriously considering renewing my passport and upping sticks.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

lets face it most of those people (or their fathers)came to this country with nothing and have built up a modest family business and they aren't about to lose it easily .As far as i am concerened that makes them more British than the mob

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i'm loving that ,i hope more people stand up to them

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

I don't wish for anyone to stand up against them, I would rather they evacuated to a safe distance without their belongings and whatnot as its really not worth your life.

All I would like to see is the Police doing their job and innocents being safe and as far away as possible.

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" Young men, 90% of them black, and the occasional middle-to-old aged black woman, then spent the next hour or so running through the sidestreets with their pickings, the first of them with widescreen TVs, boxes that contained kettle-sized electrical goods, trainers and the like from Foot Locker, and M&S clothing." Hmmmmm:mad::mad::mad::td:

Can`t think of many stories where white people loot stores.:erm:
I`m sure someone will enlighten me.:confused:

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

I hope the TV sets blow up when they plug them in.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

different cultures think differently ,they see their businesses as their life and will protect it with everything they have ..good luck to them

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

http://news.sky.com/home/video/16046057

Total, Total ****.......:mad:

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

west ham game been called off. England game are in talks tommorow weather to call it off

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

See those girls laughing, how can anyone find this funny and can i just point out how DUMB that criminal was trying to pull the TV off the wall when it was obviously clamped to the wall!.

All of them are god damn stupid.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Watching Ken Livingstone on BBC News, what a stupid git...

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

when will all this end

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

wow.. this is shocking

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

**** breed **** breed **** breed ****.

It's never ending.

So many people have so much disrespect for others. We live in a **** hole country.

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Why are we not using tear gas on these thugs? Why have we not got the army out to sort the streets out. Why on earth are our government on holiday?

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

When some one finally grows a pair and takes decisive action. which will not be anytime soon.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP-td3C55Yc

Crazy.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

They have officially come to my town... burning shops and cars smashing. scary stuff

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Stay safe :erm:

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

bet it is

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Indeed Zee. Hope your safe.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

police seem to be quick trying to tackle the situation

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

This just shows how much of a game these kids think all this is.
miles away from London.
we are being terrorised by kids.

it just enforces the view that the law in this country is slack.
they will be brought to justice alright. it'll be a good old British patented fine with an ASBO as a receipt.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14453258

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

I'm off to bed. Luckily I'm nowhere near any trouble.
If you are, stay safe tonight.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

The maddness has now reached Liverpool ...

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Manchester was just mentioned on the BBC?

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Birmingham - Police stations on fire.
Liverpool - Rioting
London - Gone all to hell.

Other cities on a knife edge. Its gonna get worse before it gets better. Looks like my shifts and days off aren't safe for the next week.

Taken from the Telegraph website:

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Stay safe Derek and to all who are in the areas where the trouble is.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

U might as well rename this tread to england riots. As there riots in manchester,liverpool,essex, birmingham and london where the worse is

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Guess im sleeping with a bat tonight..

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwJvH...layer_embedded

From Liverpool

Re: Riots in Tottenham
 

And when l said that earlier some forum members said l was going over the top.

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Definitely as the police do not seem to be able to handle the spiralling situations.

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Yes l agree and we should not show them no mercy.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...iots-live.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...m-2334131.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...-police-battle

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rol-bombs.html

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Ditto :tu:

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And if they cannot let the Army start kicking butts

Re: Riots in Tottenham
 

Yes the people there are fighting and dying for basic rights and freedoms we take for granted, the people here are fighting and looting for big tellys and trainers, makes feel proud to be British doesn't it.

I still wouldn't bring the army in, a decent curfew systems in order, as is rounding up the ring leaders. My boroughs been hit to now, not to bad just some shops and cars smashed up for now.

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I read some where only 1700 extra officers are avaliable, kind of makes me wonder where the 5000 for the wedding appeared from.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Well the Met police has 52,111 personnel but the question is where are they all?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropo...Police_Service

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Well lets see...

No discipline in schools, teachers regularly assaulted by students.
No discipline in homes, parents limited in how they are allowed to discipline their children.
Fathers increasingly seen as redundant, and not needed in the home. Fathers haven't got a leg to stand on in custody battles, so often children are raised in single parent households with little to no discipline. It has been statistically proven that fatherless children are far more likely to get involved in street gangs and violence.

The nanny state may have sounded good in theory, but sooner or later if people are not taught to take responsibility for their actions, its bound to spill out into the streets.

I've been saying for years this breakdown of law and order amongst young people has been in the pipeline. Where I disagree with most people is where the blame lies - it's too easy to just blame the kids. I think society and government as a whole are mostly responsible, for what is arguably, an inevitable conclusion.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

The inspector gadget site has gone into overdrive recently, some of the comments from officers on the front line are truly staggering.

Bullet holes in police vehicles, 18 hour shifts, cops in half uniform being attacked on their way home and an almost full mobilisation of public order officers UK wide. Absolutely unprecedented.

Yet still with the damage beyond belief the powers that be won't let the gloves come off. Cops are being told to hold back and watch, that the people responsible will be dealt with at a later date.

As well as the raising of a generation of feral youths, we've reached a stage where there is a generation of senior Police management afraid to take action. The front line want to get stuck in, and where they have been allowed to have restored order, but the management are more concerned about soundbites than actual policing.

Next time one of them appears on TV count how many times the bull plop bingo buzzwords come out "community", "partnership working" etc. etc.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Yes l agree with you totally on that the management does not seem to care two hoots about police who are in the frontline.:tu:

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Obviously those who stole mobile phones from the shops don't know about IMEI numbers and they can be tracked and blocked.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

I live in Handsworth. Close enough to where some of the stuff happened but on a quiet road. Worst night of my life

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

A selection of updates from http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/

Good point. With the numbers involved, even if only 1/4 are identified and prosecuted where are they going to find a couple of hundred prison places?

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

jeez. the country turned into a warzone

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

*ALL* Police cells in London now full :Yikes:

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/phot...9ZBplsMT9i4%3D

The people above aren't rioters. They were the locals in Dalston out in force to defend it.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Whilst I sympathise with your emotion, do you ever think before you type?

The 52k officers cover a 24x7x365 shift system, which is usually 4 shifts and day staff - this roughly equates to 11.5k police officers per shift, with approx 15% on holiday/sick at one time, leaving approx 10k per shift, which over 32 London boroughs means around 300 officers per shift per borough.

I am sure they will be calling people in, with extra overtime and double shifts, but these things take time to organise.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Ahem of the 52k staff only 32,500 are cops so even less per shift. Unless you want to kit out PCSOs and traffic wardens in public order gear.

From my understanding ALL leave, days off and training is now cancelled with officers on 12-18 hour shifts. Mutual aid from all over is being called in as well.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

From what I read last night. Alot of shop owners in Handsworth was defending their shops

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

12 years of Labour, fawning to the UK underclass, making them all believe it is their right to have something for nothing, comes back to bite the nation in the ass

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Theresa May is a fool and her favourite word is consequences.

What is Cameron going to do. is he going to look all serious and use the consequences word too?
(or I want to give a clear message to all those people involved, you have control and we will never be able to take it back now)

is it true that he said that if rioters hit the streets of London it would be time to step down?

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Because there were no riots under former Conservative governments?

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Yes there were, what's your point?

Not even you can blame the Tories for this, though I'm sure they'll try

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Here's a map link showing all the events in London..

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msi...14195,0.298691

Reading the descriptions you can see that there's also a major criminal element who are using the riots for targetting high value goods (computers/alcohol..etc..

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

I am not blaming the Tories, I am not playing Labour either. I think these people are looting and burning because they can and they think they will get away with it.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Good people of London, it's time to take your city back tonight. The police have proven that they can't or won't take action (not a criticism of front line officers who dare not baton anyone for fear of their jobs) and this government won't have the balls to deploy the military (the LA riots only ended once the military was deployed.)

I wonder if Thersea may thinks its so ridiculous now.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Theresa herself is ridiculous. she has show when it comes to the crunch that she can't cope. she will resign. I bet money on it.

infact all involved have let havoc run for over 3 days not knowing what to do. it has been a test and they have all failed.

who was that black bloke on Sky news just talking a lot of sense?

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

So,how many billions did Labour pump into these 'deprived' areas?? The only deprivation seems to be of the moral kind.

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:clap:

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

when are the riots comming to my town i need a new TV lol

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Grow up

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

If management do not allow the frontline plods to take action it's likely we'll soon see more like the Turks out there. The people will defend themselves and it's quite possible there will be deaths or serious injuries.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

wow central cant take a joke much, if anyone else is looting at the moment can you pick me up a pie plz

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

What we are experiencing is a real life terrorist situation in Britain. and we have done nothing due to health and safety and resources.
the whole world is laughing at us at the moment. they are seeing the true Britain that has always been all mouth.

we have lost it. Britain is doomed now :)

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Go get your own pie whilst the rest of us watch you on TV whilst you're baton charged, handcuffed and led away to the cells..

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Strange use of a smiley there.....

btw, you appear to be confusing terrorism with civil disorder - big, big difference.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Heard a black police officer who'd been serving in E. London last night being intereviewed earlier. He said that he'd been on duty with a Sikh colleague and a handful of other officers and had witnessed a lot of shopkeepers, mainly Asian, who'd locked up early and were stood outside their shops with bats etc. in readiness for trouble. Apparently a group of mainly black youths appeared and ran down the street trying to kick in shopfronts and start trouble but were seen off by the business owners in no uncertain fashion. I've also heard of residents in another area who set up their own barricades to prevent trouble in their street and we preventing people from passing through. I have a very nasty feeling this sort of thing is going to escalate and people are going to start being killed unless drastic and decisive action is taken by the authorities and I think it's clear that the police cannot cope with the demands being placed upon them in London and drawing them from elsewhere will only lead to the yobs moving elsewhere to take advantage of the lack of police.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Oh, so terrorising people is not terrorism but civil disorder now?

or is it not terrorism but civil disorder when it's your own people?

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

From the TV last night I think we would be more likely to be watching him stroll away munching on his pie.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Think you have gotten confused with civil unrest, its not a terrorist situation at all.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Ok. I forget that terrorism demands that a bomb be used.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

I know you are only joking, but it's not funny ... this is disgusting behaviour, we will all have to pay the cost of this. :(

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

yeah we have to pay but were are the goverment oh on holiday the prime minister only came back this morning there all a joke i was having a laugh people on here are way to serious

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

When you do you will understand humour

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All mp's to be recalled from holiday. Denphone has his wish

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No it does not.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

That's reassuring. at least we know it's probably expected to go on that long.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

They are entitled to a holiday too.

But it wasn't bad enough that they needed to return, however now it is spreading they are springing in to action.

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No it doesn't, but this is clearly not an act of terrorism.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

I know. I just looked up its definition.

some people probably assume terrorism to be exclusive to muslims and the irish.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Which isn't relevant here.. the crowds are not looking at inciting terror through violence, instead they're acting out for fun, excitement or greed... Nothing at all to do with terrorism though it does make me wonder if the government will use anti-terrorism laws to try to stem the riots

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

pay yes, does business insurance cover civil unrest? if it doesn't a lot of businesses there may just decide to move on, that'll really help the neighbourhood won't it.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

England v Holland called off.

Shame, I was looking forward to it. Probably for the best though.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

PM's speech said sod all :(

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Dave has spoken.

he is going to bring more police in. to stand and watch probably.

and he said the people will face the consequences as predicted.

well done Dave. sorry to interrupt your holiday.

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Ok. if they're doing it for fun and not intentionally, then I withdraw my terrorism remark.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Often, standing and watching is the best way to catch these idiots ... Gather the evidence and then pay them a 5am visit in a week or two when they think the heat's off.

Certainly it is usually safer to come after them when they are done rioting - less chance of anyone getting hurt in the ruck. Naturally the polis are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they wade in and people get hurt, it's police brutality. If they bide their time, collect useful evidence and make arrests after the rioting is finished, they are slow to react, incompetent, etc etc etc.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Well sorry i am petrified about whats happening. I live in a Part of Birmingham where it was real bad.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Trust me i know how you feel, I have been on the receiving end of riots in Londonderry and Belfast. They certainly are scary.

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All i wanted to hear was that he had authorised the use of the military to deploy there non lethal equipment to help stop the riots.

NOTE i had to say non lethal so i am not accused of inciting a shoot to kill policy :)

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

But what if it goes on for days like that?

we're assured that all those involved will eventually be 'prosecuted'

if anything it's going to spread to other cities.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Sorry Chris,you're wrong.What the police should do,and can't cause of our liberal,lefty don't hurt anyone approach,is charge the rioters.Charge them and use water canons,tear gas and plastic bullets to disperse the rioters.
These pictures of anarchy and mayhem going round the world,sehen we are supposed to host the Olympics in a year are no good at all.

Having spent time in countries where the police do use these methods and go in HARD,I thought they were very effective.The state shouldn't allow people to loot as they please as not to 'hurt and offend' anyone.

What's needed now is robust and decisive action and cracking skulls.;)

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

I did not mean to be arsey. Just I dont think its something to joke about :(

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Some people are ill-informed and simplistic.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

What did you think of Daves speech Hugh?

if like me, it sounds like sit tight and don't go out unless you really have to.

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That will probably only happen if they attack parliament or the palace.

as it's only the publics property that's affected at the moment. it's not such a high priority.
but we are assured that those involved will be punished with the good old 'Full Force of British Law' scary stuff Full Force is :)

if the students were to join in now we'd probably see some action from Dave. Dave won't tolerate the trouble students cause.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

This is not the time nor the place for jokes especially ones which aren't even remotely funny. People out there have lost their homes, their livelihoods, I really don't think they are laughing at the moment.

I do not want to see any more jokes and stupid posts in this thread.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...assers-by.html

wow - anyone would think it was just a gang of thugs looking to steal and cause destruction rather than a group of people with a political message.... oh wait...

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

U wound had thought the queen might had spoke about this

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re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Phaps the Queen and her Possy may do some looting lol

Mick a lot of this wouldnt have happened if it wasnt for Cameron and his shameful lies.

A lot of this has been brewing since Cameron started his "We are all in this together" rubbish when he entered power and then decided to buy brand new Governmental Cars and Hire a Personal Photographer and now it was in the Media they have given the contract for IT for government to someone who is costing the Tax Payer Bettween 7 - 10 times more than what it was costing Labour and the conservatives were blasting labour when they came into power because they had apparently been hiring people for upto £1000 for IT when they didnt really have a role and some were paid to do nothing for weeks on end.

Cameron is a Joke.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

No jokes allowed :(

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

You really think the louts that did the rioting even read the newspapers, much less know anything about Government IT contracts and the like? Get real, my man. The only joke around here is you.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

They are part of a community that the Government is taking money away left right and centre and its hitting those who most need it and as soon as it erupts over one thing anyone and everyone will join in. It was reported on the news and online that people were heard stating that they were "Just getting their taxes back" who were part of the riot for example.

And chris atleast try not to be insulting seeing that its against ur own rules not allowed as u urself look like a joke much like the Conservative Government one rule for one and one rule for the rest of us.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Right. I can see how deprivation and lack of prospects may come into the reasons why people stoop to such behaviour, but to blame this on the current government which has only been in for slightly more than a year seems to me to completely miss the point. If anything, one should wonder why there still is such deprivation and discontent after 12 years of Labour rule.

re: England Riots August 2011 (Was London Riots)
 

Daniel i can understand cutbacks are needed but think of how these people see it. The Government are taking away Benefits from the Disabled and Sick and even a lot of Lords and MPs have stated the new rules are unfair YET they spend lavishly on new cars for themselves and claim £1000s on living expences.

This is the only things the general public are seeing and as for the "we are all in this together" Crap Cameron spouted was a lie from the start.