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Well, as it has come to light... Maybe they will come under inspection too?

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I believe that's one of the public enquiries announced

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In these austere times, can we afford a show trial though?

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That's what bears use!! Andrex NOTW has more going for it.

Once you've used the product, you could attempt the mirror image of the crossword printed on your er$e... I think I've got their slogan...... flexible mind, flexible body, flexible with the truth;)

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Just when you thought those hacks couldn't go any lower, turns out they bugged ET phoning home as well...

Very poor jokes aside The Sun's sub editors have walked out in sympathy, can't publish a paper without them although they may well have the first edition to see them through today.

Sub editors at The Sun have walked out in protest at the closure of sister Sunday title The News of the World, the NUJ has announced.

http://www.thedrum.co.uk/news/2011/0...world-closure/

Feel quite bad for NotW 160+ years tossed away :(

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No agenda or slant in that article, eh?

btw, I agree with the sentiment of the article, just not the tone...

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This is the type of incident that i feel the union should get its self involved with. This one incident is making me think again as to WHY there are unions and WHY we do need them.

Murdock thinks he can buy his way out of this by giving money to charity

Murdock thinks he can save his senior managers

Murdock has shown he does not give a sod about his hard working staff

I say let the UNION go to war on him.

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Unions are there to serve their members first and foremost and they are not there to satisfy the whims of any one union leader in which a example of that would be Arthur Scargill.

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Indeed. As i said this incident has shown that there are reasons for unions and in this case a need for said union to give Murdock and his management an arse whooping.

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Rupert murdoch has shown here what he has always shown before and that is a utter contempt for those who work on the boiler face and as the old saying goes The fox changes his fur but not his habits.

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Indeed it is Murdoch who is credited and applauded with breaking the once powerful print unions of Fleet Street..

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It was the political will at the time that provided Murdoch with the tools. Union leadership had gone power Crazy at the time and needed reining in. Murdoch served a politcal favour at the time and has been calling in favours ever since.

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It was also technological advances that contributed to his ability to take them on..but that is a whole other story and thread..;)

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Indeed some will credit him with that and while a union supporter myself l do not like tyrannical or personality led union leaders because as l have said before union leaders are there to represent their workers and their proper rights and not themselves.

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I've been reading this morning about there being government involvement in the murder of a Pakistani reporter in Pakistan earlier this year..and if we look around at the rest of the world it is clear that some countries are paying a high price to try and obtain a free and independent press.

We may not dealing in murder but we mustn't let what has happened in this case to lead us to throw away a free and independent press.

Yes it needs over hauling,the press council needs rethinking and being given bigger teeth and privacy laws need clearer definition but we must not lose the power for our press to instigate journalistic inquiries into issues that ARE in the public interest and perhaps avoid those that are not.

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The 38degrees website has links for a petition http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/m...ition#petition they also have links for directly e-mailing your MP. :rofl: (in my case).

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Yes l agree with you but did we not have the Lord Wakeham's report in 2000 and since then nothing has happened to curb the insidious power of certain media outlets and individuals.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2000...cy.themonarchy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakeham_Report

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Just a quick footnote to that there was also union traechery involved too,Eric Hammonds electricians union stabbed the Print unions in the back by doing a secret deal with Murdoch for sole union recognition,in that particular sad case the brothers did not stand together sadly,but thats another story.:(

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This is going to be Cameron's Watergate. The News conference was disappointing in one respect that no one asked that killer question:

"If it is proved that your leadership and General Election campaigns benefited from any information that was received from telephone hacking, will you resign?"

So much for all the Tory supporters on here insisting that this was just a flash-in-the-pan and a non-story and that it was an isolated incident, with rogue journalists. Or that Coulson had paid for his "mistakes" and that he knew nothing. Despite others saying there was more to come and Coulson will face more grief. They were shouted down with accusations of tribalism and muck-raking and trying to make too much out of nothing. Don't worry I shan't expect any apologies, but maybe a little bit less of, "well, we all knew there was more to come."

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BSKYB share price

http://www.lse.co.uk/SharePrice.asp?shareprice=BSY

Mmmmmmm I wonder

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Yes there has been a strange silence lately from some forum members:);)

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If it was phone hacking to find criminals they could try to justify it and hold their heads up high, but to the extent and whom THEY (notw) have done this to is at part beyond comprehension. The fact they were hacking into dead peoples phones really shows me there was no compassion at all for these people and the fact they thought they were above the law.
In my opinion the people involved with this should do some hard time that includes the editor who supposedly has the say in what goes in or not

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That is not true.They have said that they are as appalled as anyone else here is at the turn of events and regard the actions of those involved as completely reprehensible.

This is not about any government being any less tainted by being cronies of the NI group.Both Labour and Conservatives have indulged in cronyism and are going to pay the price one way or the other.No party can hold their heads high because they all allowed Murdoch's grip on the media to grow on their watches..:(

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:rofl: That has got to be the best (or worst) attempt of brushing something like this under the carpet. I wonder if that will be the last ditch attempt of Cameron to get away with it.

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Not from me :)

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And out of the wood work you come for a nice juicy anti Tory post ;).

If its found that information was gleaned from hacking that helped the election then yes people's heads should role. But lets face it if a politician can send good men to there deaths on a lie just to bolster there standing with America and not have to resign i don't think you have a hope in hell over this. To be honest i think its pretty low of you to send this thread of topic so you can score cheap political points, What about those about to lose there jobs.

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Get away with what, Are you that anti Tory that you think to you can make it out that they were doing the hacking. You need a tin foil hat sir.

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You're anti-Tory. your wonder doesn't count.

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Indeed.

Such a shame that the likes of Flyboy are more interested in political points scoring than thinking of those that are about to lose there jobs. :mad:

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This thread so far has nicely avoided the usual Tories v Labour bickering that seems to characterise so many threads at CF lately.

I will point out that Labour supporters have no cause or right to be holier than thou about this issue.All the events of phone hacking happened under a Labour government.

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Thanks Maggy i have purposely stayed away from political posturing and instead tried to target those that are in the wrong and highlight those that are about to lose there jobs and what they can do to try and save them.

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I've found the New York Times article that re awoke this whole issue last year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/ma...l?pagewanted=2

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Thats what bears use.

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It's is also interesting to see their news coverage of this weeks events.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/08/wo...ef=todayspaper

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Why hasn't that bitch Rebekah Brooks been fired?

Shes the one that was married to Ross Kemp and was arrested for assulting him, but didn't take his surname (No charges were made), when she remarried she took her new husbands surname.

She should be banned for working in media.

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thesunonsunday.co.uk

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Surely the British public can get her fired if enough of us shout loud enough.

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Differant name but still a News International comic.

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It's certainly going to be interesting to see what comes out re Coulson and other senior NOTW staff not to mention embarrassing revelations about past governmental links with News Corp.

On the face of it Cameron's certainly going to have to admit he appears to have made a mistake about Coulson. I don't suppose he'll be wanting to take any lectures from Milliband about that, though, given New Labour's appalling record of lies and spin over 13 years and their own close links with News Corp. which ended only when it was clear that Brown was on the fast track to an early retirement.

Some of hose on both sides of the house, who're demanding accountability in the form of resignations, sackings and worse, ought to first reflect on their own denial with respect to serious wrongdoing, whether it be lying us into wars, employing the likes of Damien McBride to smear opponents or fiddling their expenses.

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From The Register - Will News of the Screws reappear as Sunday.co.uk? - Is mysterious Sun On Sunday domain name a red herring?

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With the way the staff at the News of the World have been treated, what's the betting that the axes are being "grinded" as we speak and that there are more revelations to come? I have heard that journalists can be worse than a woman scorned. :D

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I wouldn't at all be suprised if the Murdochs move away from newspapers gradually over the coming years , James Murdoch isn't a fan of them according to someone on Sky News yesterday.

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You are not beyond making, as you put it, "cheap political points."

Why do you even not contemplate that Cameron knew what Coulson was up to and that is why he employed him? Let's face it, since all the previous guff, about isolated incidents and rogue employees, has been blown out of the water, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that Cameron's leadership campaign and subsequently the Genneral Election campaign, was bolstered by information gathered by the hacking. In fact, I'd say that is is more than probable, but that is my opinion.

This is nothing to do with being anti-Tory, this is about "alledged" criminals working within the inner circle at Number Ten and Conservative Central office and at best, the lack of judgement of the Prime Minister, at worse his complicity.

Cameron was warned about Coulson's involvement in the hacking and the bribing of police officers, he either chose to ignore those warnings, or decided it was a bonus, one or the other. Either way, he has shown he is not fit to be a Prime Minister.

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That's rich, coming from you.

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The party politics on this issue cannot be ignored. If it is shown that Cameron benefited from the hacking, during the elections (general and leadership), it will bring into question the whole result. The fact that the Tories have been linked with the Murdoch empire for so long (even during the Blair years), employing disgraced senior managers and supported others, it cannot be brushed under the carpet any longer. Don't forget, Cameron refused to re-open the woefully inadequate investigation into these allegations, so there has to be party politcal agendas behind his motives.

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Did l state in my post any political bias no l just stated that certain members were very quiet on this issue and also l am not going to be holier than thou as Labour have done things that l was not inpressed with as well.

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I was speaking to you and Flyboy especially as you had quoted him..It's not anything to worry about.

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l try not get into political infighting now as l think it is better to have a reasoned discussion but anyway lets get back to this thread.:)

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14082668

Ofcom to rule on News Corp's 'fitness' to own BSkyB

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Breaking news on Sky News Offices of Daily Star being searched by police.

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It will start to get very very interesting from here on in.

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And in my mind there is only one decision they can make and that is to declare that News Corp is not a fit and proper company to buy it.

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I have just said this on the TV side of this forum. This will be my last post on this forum? I may come back or I may leave like a few who have already?

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Boom time for manufacturers of shredders and disk wipe software I reckon.

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l think most of us believe that this is more endemic and widespread then just the NOTW.

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Indeed, I wonder how deep the rabbit hole goes and who will be found at the bottom :)

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Well given how long this stuff's been going on I have a fair idea who might be. Time will tell....

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I bet some will wish they had taken the blue pill instead

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:confused:

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;)

Without getting into the whole Red vs Blue Vs Yellow thing I think the fact that neither side has absolutely slaughtered the others show that all the political parties have some hacking related skeletons in their cupboards.

Still hopefully the cops selling information get whats coming to them. If it ends up some higher ranks were involved and not just a handful of detectives things could get very messy down Scotland Yard way.

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Yes l think you are probably right in that assumption and by the way don't forget to take your blue pill tonight as well.:);):)

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Hmmmm, ladbrokes have suspended betting on David Cameron being the next conservative to leave the cabinet :Yikes:

Do they know something we don't?

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I always said he wouldn't last the whole term.

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Its time to look into my Palantir.

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I was refering to this :)

And as for Friday night and the little blue pill i am still young enough not to need them :LOL:

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Some might have placed a large bet on it. That influences the odds as the bookies react to that rather than any information they have. It will restore itself in a few hours. (Unless he really is about to leave).

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>>>>>>>>>>> My point.






>>>>>>>>>>> Your head.

I am not saying brush it under the carpet at all, I was merely pointing out that in these hard times, the Police should be doing the investigating. Not some 'public enquiry' that will no doubt take several years and cost a bloody fortune to tell us the same bloody thing!

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Boris said this morning when been questioned about DC and And Coulson. When asked about what he thought about AC when DC had appointed him, Boris said that it was not his appointment? So he would not like to comment before he got his collar felt? I wonder who who he was talking about?

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Any links to that quote

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Murdock must be livid now his buyout of Bskyb is looking much less likely :)

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This Sunonsunday website could be either a red herring, a replacement, or just a case of somebody buying the domain in antispation and hoping to make some cash.

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Yep NotW made about £6million a year profit BskyB makes hundreds of millions a year + the realise newspapers are dying a slow death and want to move away from it.

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SunonSunday was sort of planned anyway, people were going to be made redundant at NotW and a lot of the production moved over to reduce costs, in some ways this has actually played into their hands.

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Oops. Looks like a guardian journo has just admitted getting information from a cop today. :dunce:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/blog...andal#block-35

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Did they pay for it?

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The worse is yet to come according to Brooks.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...king-live.html

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Indeed the knock on effect has started

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But can you believe anything that comes out of her mouth?

She could tell me today id Friday the 8th of July and I would not believe her :D

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she will have to go but l can see Murdoch pushing her out gradually.

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Sounds like he's constipated ... :erm: :D

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The problem is if Murdoch ends up getting his jewel in the crown, he could get it now at a vastly reduced rate :(

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l expect he is constipated with the CR*P that comes out of his mouth Chris.;)

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l think Murdoch's chances of getting BSKYB are receding by the hour.

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Just like my hair line

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Hopefully you are right , I guess only time will tell.

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Yes l am afraid the grey hairs are showing on me as well so when l look in the mirror l try to tell myself that l am George clooney.;):)

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Worse than hacking phones and emails belonging to murder victims, dead soldiers and their families?

WTH have they been up to? :confused:

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Like I said a few days ago: Anyone get the feeling that all these stories are the pilot fish before the big story breaks? There is clearly something such worse on the horizon. They have shut down the News of the World to help avoid some of the impending scandal.

I suspect it's related the the story about the detective channel 4 had a few days ago. I wonder if The News of the World interfered with the murder investigation to protect a private investigator they had on staff? That would be my theory, and I stress theory, given the information we know so far. First of all here is an interesting comment from The Telegraph's Peter Oborne:

Here is what Alan Rusbridger said yesterday in response to the above claim:

So Andy Coulson had used a private investigator who was on remand for conspiracy to commit murder according to the editor of The Guardian.

Now let's visit those Channel 4 News allegations again:

Did The News of the World seek to interfere in a murder case by putting surveillance on, possibly in an attempt to discredit, the investigating officer to protect a murder suspect whom they had connections with?

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Yes the repercussions of all this are going to last for a very very long time and the Bskyb deal as far as l am concerned is dead in the water.

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I doubt it, just delayed would be my guess.

Money talks. Someones palm will need the grease.

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Maybe in other deals but somehow l doubt whether that will be allowed to happen here.

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There will be to many watching the out come

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Oh most definitely and if Murdoch thinks he has stopped the leaking pipe well l think the flood is yet to come.

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I have no doubt there is much more to come out and it will come pouring out as the rats involved in this look to get themselves deals to avoid the justice they deserve. I also don't believe this is limited to one paper or one media company anymore then it is limited to anyone political party i think all three are about to have some dirty laundry washed in public.

We have a problem here in that all of this could do massive damage to many insttutions in this country and set us back in many ways for years here and abroad. Right now i wouldn't want to be the political leader having to sort this out because all political partys have either been in bed with the media or tried and all of them have things in those dealings which are not going to look good in the light of day.

One thing i am absolutely sure on is this is going to get a hell of a lot worse long before it gets better and the nastiness we are going to see is going to surpass anything seen so far as people who were involved try to dodge the jail bullet.

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Maybe this will sort out the media and their dodgy practises just like saving the banks has sorted out their dodgy practises and huge bonuses.

Oh... :erm:

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http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source...i3a7nQ&cad=rja

LONDON — Police raided offices of Britain’s Daily Star paper Friday after arresting one of the newspaper group’s journalists who was jailed in 2007 for phone hacking when he worked at the News of the World.

“I can confirm that a search is ongoing at a business premises in central London,� a Metropolitan Police spokesman told AFP when asked to confirm reports that the Daily Star’s offices had been raided.


And it starts :erm:
The search came just hours after Clive Goodman, who now works for the Daily Star’s Sunday edition but was jailed in 2007 for phone hacking during his time as News of the World royal editor, was re-arrested over corruption allegations.

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I think they should change their automated message

Thank you for calling News of the world, calls may be recorded for training purposes

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14090123

And who is this?

How come his name is kept secret?

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So Murdoch thinks he can stop this crisis from getting worse well it will get worse and Murdoch will also find that his friends in high places do not want to be in the same room as him and his lackys anymore.


Yes it would be nice if the police gave a name out on who the 63-year-old is.

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I'm not allowed to say ;)

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A private investigator who worked for the newspaper.

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I can see a pattern emerging here, Coulson(43), Goodman(53) and unnamed(63)

There must be a few 73 year old ex-NOTW reporters having bonfires and HD wiping sessions today :D

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So Murdock is flying in to save the day is he. I hope he does not mind being hated at every turn he makes. The police need to check he has had no involvement in this before they let him leave the country.

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Anyone remember the TV series "Hot Metal" about the fictional newspaper "The Daily Crucible" descent to the gutter? It was said to be based on The Sun, seems it was all true but the reality is much more unpalatable!

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I'm wondering how this is all going to affect Murdoch's empire overseas I'm sure there'll be plenty of people wanting to scrutinise quite closely what his minions have been up to at the likes of Fox News. The actions of advertisers will be key here and overseas too. I heard that Renault are going to stop all advertising in News Intl. publications for example.

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Yes lets hope its does not bring one card down but the whole pack of cards down as l have never liked him from day one.