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To be honest I think the continued coverage of that gaff will backfire, like the 'disrespectful letter' story The Sun tried to do backfired.

When it happened it was amusing and a sign of just poor campaigning and the lack of sense. It was never especially out of order though, I can sympathize with the idea of saying one thing to someone and thinking something else privately. I imagine most of us do.

He should have phoned to say sorry, and said that it was a shame his private conversation was made public and moved on.

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It backfired? Since when?
I've been hearing people bring it up throughout the election, at work and out in the evening.

The latest heckler incident has shone some light into some of Brown's comments over Gillian's appearance, asking who's idea was it to have her, suggesting that meetings/appearances are staged to make him look good.

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Will backfire. Future tense. Most people will relate to the scenario and, while it was fun for a day, to make it into a central theme in the last week will look ridiculous and that is why I think it will backfire.

Meh. I think the comment showed that the people who get ushered into the presence of one of the leaders are often hand-picked. I don't think it's unique to Labour.

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If you think that's any different to the other parties' campaigns I suggest you think again.

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It backfired? past tense, as in happened, ie the disrespectful letter that you claimed had backfired.

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I've been to several for Hague and Howard, wasn't picked, nor were those around me. They also didn't have burly cake loving bouncers (one of whom I know) drag any old men out into the street because they said unwanted truths.

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Oh the letter. I am pretty sure that backfired. Most people seemed to comment it was nice he sent a handwritten letter. The fact he had poor handwriting was hardly an insult. People's reactions seemed to be that it was a non-story.

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Funny, I've been hearing people insulting Brown over it; couldn't even take the time or effort to make it look decent, scribbled it down quickly because he obviously doesn't give a damn about the armed forces (that normally leads on to more comments about how he's screwed "our boys" over the years), couldn't be bothered to get the guy's name right, wasn't exactly appologetic on the phone and appeared to be basically telling Jacqui Janes she was wrong to be upset and should just shut up and do let him get it overwith so he could move on.

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And that Xaccers is the very argument the recent heckler was using, that it is all stage managed.
It is the same for ALL parties, I am not just taking issue with one party.
Lets see them walk into a pub in the middle of an oppositions territory without their PR team, and lets see what happens.
He was caught out doing what they all do, smiling in the face while stabbing in the back.
Anything to get power.
Career politicians the lot of them, nice salary package, pension taken care of, mortgage taken care of, all at the expense of the tax payer.
When I get home from work on Thursday the television will be unplugged, I just cannot bare the hype.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...troud-gay-cure

What a deluded woman she is and a "top Tory advisor" to boot...

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you can tell its close to the day of reckoning, All the crazy news reports from the bottom of the barrel start to show up :LOL:

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I think we can expect all the papers to go into propaganda mode until Friday now.

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Whilst I disagree with her viewpoints and methodologies on LBGT issues (or what they were in the late 80's/early 90's, which is what is being reported on), may I also point out what someone in the article said How dare she genuinely care about people - that's not what we expect from our politicians.......

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Yep.

The mentality of the real Conservative agenda seeps through the cracks to reveal a more sinister shadow lurking behind DC's shiny "new" rhetoric.

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Caring for them is one thing.

Believing she can drive out demons is quite another.

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The premise that sexuality can be changed is still present, in that paedophiles are handled in a manner that assumes that they can be treated. Eg Someone who thinks it right to rape a young boy is given a fixed term prison sentence, on the assumption that they will change.

Why don't we look into the past beliefs of Labour Ministers?

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Yes we need to watch out for those evil, wholly immoral, Tories or we'll wind up losing our civil liberties, having anti-terrorism laws used against us when we dare to show our dissent from the government view (or even just want to take a photo of Big Ben); finding we have to carry ID cards everywhere and having our DNA stored for years even when we're innocent.... :rolleyes:

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Please don't agree with something I didn't say. I was referring to all of them and to be honest the dirtiest campaign has by some distance been Labour's, as expected both given who is running it and the relative lack of positives from Labour's governance, their only really viable course of action to be to run a dirty campaign as they can hardly point at the previous 13 years and say 'Hey look at how well we've done'. Some successes of course but at tremendous cost and largely lost among a long list of failures, erosions of civil liberty, huge amounts of wasted money.

How anyone can comment on speculated sinister shadows and agendas given Labour's well documented authoritarian social engineering and tides of half-truths and sleaze over the past parliament is a mystery to me. Pots, kettles, black, stones, glass houses, etc.

I prefer dealing in facts rather than vague suspicions based on propaganda from political opponents.

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Its concerning but won't affect my vote. I don't live in Sutton and Cheam so my vote won't have any bearing on wether she comes in or not.

However I can see this affecting the Tories coming in via Lib Dems put off from voting tactically or in favour of some kind of Tory-Lib Dem coalition.

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Now we're really getting the FUD....

Says Shaun Woodward, Labour NI Secretary Disgusting!

(will try and find a link)

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Vote Labour or you will die.

The Tories will restart the Northern Ireland troubles, the Lib Dems will let us get nuked.

Straight from the Republican / GOP play book this stuff. Still as I said before when you can't rely on your own record as it's frankly largely excrement and can't tell people the truth about your future plans as they involve the same big spending cuts you are using as ammunition against the Tories what can you do?

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Unfortunately my local MP is Keith Vaz so I for one will NOT be voting for him.

Get Labour out. They have been running things far too long!

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I watched The politics show' this morning, and the question come up about immigration, and not one of the three parties gave a decent answer on the question.

The Lib Dems want to bring in a card system, that only if illegals have been in this country longer than Ten years, will they be granted amnesty, BUT the biggest argument for is, IF this was STOPPED, there are gangs out there who will still get round the guidelines and bring in illegals, we must STOP immigration, as this country is over run, and cannot take anymore. And no party can achieve that, they are all hot air.

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We absolutely need a degree of immigration to fulfil skills shortages and for other reasons. The issue was the degree of unproductive immigration and the lack of controls not immigration per se.

There's also the minor issue of the EU.

We can't just put up walls, would be intensely counter-productive. We need to reduce unskilled immigration so that we have net unskilled emigration while at the same time having skilled immigrants filling short term needs.

This does, of course, require that the millions of Brits who think that they are too good for unskilled work and would rather sit on their arse watching Jeremy Kyle fill the jobs that immigrants are doing at the moment, and that all the trades jobs that immigrants do good jobs over at more sensible rates than the overpriced and/or indifferent British workers get filled by people who learn their trades, give a toss about the job they are doing and don't want to try and charge a hundred quid an hour for drinking your tea and picking their nose.

If the work weren't there millions of these immigrants wouldn't be here, and the work has been there because the British didn't want to do it.

So how does stopping all immigration resolve the issue that millions of jobs would have been unfilled due to unskilled / semi-skilled British having no work ethic while a large proportion of those that have come in have turned up, taken the jobs, worked hard, paid their taxes, made a few quid then gone home?

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I would be very happy if Keith Vaz didn't get back in...

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I don't know what he's so worried about ... if he thinks the times are a-changing, surely he can simply cross the floor and re-join the Tory party.

Although I suspect they'll be less willing to parachute him into a safe seat than nu-Liebour were.

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I've heard Brown doing simliar with respect to the health service, benefits, etc, etc..

New Labour reverting to type (if indeed they ever tried being honest in the first place). They're losing, they're desperate and they'll say anything to save their pathetic skins. Is there anyone out there who still believes this sort of guff?...

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Amen to all of that. Vaz is as slimey and hyprocritical as they come!

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The Sun has always voted Tory, have you noticed there polls have put Tories 10 clearer than any other polls, l am still going for the shocker, A Lib Dem victory.

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Except in 1970, 1997, 2001, and 2005, when they supported Labour - but why change the habit of a lifetime and let facts spoil your rant, Arthur.:D
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Easily the worst moment of the campaign. :erm:

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Having met keith vaz albeit briefly i cannot think of an mp that less deserves to regain his seat the man is creepy being polite and his ability to say one thing in front of cameras and recorded media and say the complete opposite off the record surpasses that of most politicians we have ever seen. For me there should be no such thing as a safe seat make them damn well earn every single one and maybe then we will get the type of politician we want but some people are so stuck in their blinkered ways they will never do that.

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How Labour will win the General Election - Electoral Reform

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Even better, Nick Griffin on Radio 4 this week.

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I'll say one thing I have never ever been interested in politics up until now but I have really enjoyed learning more since the start of this election, I have went to the extent of actually meeting the candidates for my local area - something I thought I would never be interested in doing.

Even after all that I am still voting Labour.

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It's because of all that, that I'm not. ;)

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I suppose someone has to.

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Well while DC wants to bring back hunting I will NEVER vote tory.

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Good for you at least someone has to support a dying party

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Another warning that postal voting is open to abuse on a large scale.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...lectoral-fraud

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So animal welfare is more of a concern to you than say the economy?

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I'm doing my best to be surprised at someone in Newcastle voting Labour but I just can't do it.

One could put a red rosette on 4 vomit covered turds and they'd carry the 4 seats.

I think I may have asked this previously but given you've heard them all speak now maybe you're in a better position to say why you've been mentioning voting Labour since the first posts on the thread after you realised you could vote and what's confirmed it for you now.

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Tower Hamlets, that most healthy, wealthy, prosperous and forward thinking area of London in electoral fraud shock! Who'd have thought?

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Britain 'Still On Course For Hung Parliament'

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Good luck with that...

I think I have just discovered the real reason for your zealous support of the Cons

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Works for me.

But from now on when i hear the name Labour i will remember the word BIGOT.

when someone says vote Labour i will only hear the words vote Bigot

Just think in parliament Labour Mp's will shout bigot bigot instead of hear hear :)

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a certain cf member and labooor supporter has been bandying the term bigot around for ages ,in fact any one with a differing opinion is called a bigot ,its probably in the manifesto some where , i wont be voting BIGOT i believe in democracy and freedom of speech as does mr Cameron ;)

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I see you've been reading the Labour play book for FUD.

That has no influence at all on me, somewhat more important things than broadband to make a voting decision on but please do feel free to keep making things up. I'm in London, I'll get nothing out of any government broadband intervention.

I don't remember making any comments about being a zealous support of the Conservatives though I also note that any criticism of Labour seems to have that as one of the default responses. As mentioned previously I think Cameron is a lightweight, I'm far from convinced by the Tories in many ways, however Labour have been a near total disaster through constant erosion of our rights and leaving us a huge bill to cover it.

So overall regarding your posts a fairly weak smear but given that Labour, and indeed its' supporters, have so little of their own positives to point to it would appear that's about the only course of action. Please carry on.

If you feel like some more reasoned debate my same question to Hiroki to you, why Labour?

EDIT: Incidentally that poster is hilarious, not least because the underlying implication is that Labour will look after those who refuse to work while the nasty Tories won't. A poster by welfare state addicts for welfare state addicts. Backfired a bit that one, not a message that appeals to those who pay for the people who refuse to work.

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I find it interesting that Tory and LD voters can give coherant reasons behind their choice, but Labour voters seem to come up with:
They're not Tories
Cameron is slimy (yet ignore most of the cabinet)
My parents vote labour so I have to

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Oh dear, I shoulda used a ;).

Sense of humour failure, call out an engineer to tweak your settings.

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Did not realise you support the BNP

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To me it looks like a BNP poster and was in support of them by the person who posted it.

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Dear Ignitionnet,

Where did I post that I would be voting Labour?

New Communist all the way for me Brother!

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Dear mikegreen,

OK - So why the vehement opposition to Conservatism to the extent of following the New Labour play book of throwing mud at them and those who you think will vote for them?

Best Regards,

An Evil Libertarian.

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Nope it made me laugh, just not for the reasons you had in mind :)

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Splitter.:D Your Party newspaper, The New Worker, states that you should vote Labour.

From Wiki Amusing that someone criticising our Electoral Process is a voter for a Party that supports countries that are single-party states......

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Aw bless, he's embarrassed to admit he's a Labour voter :D

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3rmOQMYkTo

Having now watched this i will be voting New Communist party. They are the way forward and have an answer to all of our problems. ;)

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Or just let mikegreen pay their benefits?

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It was revealed today, that if the Tories get in, they will make deep cuts in services to save money, All those promises that they have made, what a load of crap that they come out with.

I have said all along that they will make cuts in everything, and now they have said that PARENTS will be responisble for own children education, therefore saving money on education.

I watched Clegg get heckled today, and my word did he get heckled, and then we had Brown stand up and be counted in a manner that is what a PM is all about.

All this garbage coming from Camron's mouth, IF people vote for him, we the working class of this country are going to be worse off than ever. VOTE LABOUR

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Arthur, where was this revealed, please? Perchance would it be the Mirror, or by a Labour Party spokesperson?

On an equally humourous note, on the BBC Election Page live event page, this was just posted by Laura Keunssberg at 12:45, the reporter Freudian slip, or what?:D

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So who did he call a bigot today then as part of being a pm

Arthur if you are the standard type of Labour voter then we are doomed

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i think it's a given that any party that gets into power will make cuts Arthur
do you have link re the education cuts ?

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Oh the Sunday Mirror was marvelous yesterday, they showed the polls gave the tories a 10 point lead, and gave a graph to demonstrate the results after the past few weeks.
Labour were on 28%, the same as the week before, so you'd expect a flat line between the two right? Nope, not in Mirror land, the line went up from last week's 28% to this week's 28%
And people mock the Heliograph for poor reporting

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Sometimes I wonder what strange universe you actually live in Arthur. Last week you were talking like a real die-hard BNP fan, this week GB is your icon.

Do you seriously believe that only the Conservatives will make cuts if they get in? You think Labour (who ****ed all this money down the drain in the first place, with nothing to show for it) can get it all back, while still building an economy based purely on a huge public sector?

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Yes it was in The Mirror, page 8, BUT l have reason to believe this, l am sure you remember what happened the last time the Tories were in power, l was ashamed to be a voter.

As soon as Cameron gets in, the first cuts will be NHS, no matter what Cameron say's, they believe in the private sector for health, as it will save them millions, Education, they have stated in this campaign, that would like to see parents take more control of there school and there child's education, this will save them more millions,.

We have to have a government that will look after EVERYONE, not just the ponces who plough millions into the parties, the working class in this country that supply the food that we eat, the workers that run the railways, public sector workers that provide vital services, ie drs and nurses that look after the sick for a paltry wage, yet the pen pushers that bring in agency staff, as double wages, when normal staff can get the extra money to boost there normal wages.

I don't think the Tories will do this, this is why l say VOTE LABOUR.

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Yeah Brown stood up, continued his teleprompter speech, and they escorted his heckler off the (public) premises.

You are actually boring me with the nonsense you write. Whoever gets in cuts are happening regardless of Labour's promises about being able to cut the deficit and deliver gold plated prostitutes for all, that's the legacy Brown has left all of us, working class, middle class, upper class. If we could stop with the class nonsense that would also be a bonus. Labour very quickly realised that trying the class warfare thing doesn't work, I guess you missed that memo.

If you'd consider actually basing one of your posts in fact rather than coming across as a stereotypical ignorant and grumpy man who totally ignores anything that doesn't conform to their own opinion that would be fantastic and would perhaps promote a more receptive response to your 'arguments'.

If you would try reading up on things a little before you start using them for your arguments that would also be a bonus. If you have a look the Tory education ideas don't involve parents paying for their children's education they involve giving them more choices rather than assuming that the government knows best.

Cameron didn't leave the country needing massive public sector cuts due to urinating the money away, your hero Gordon did. The same Gordon Brown who it seems has been totally incapable of dealing with real people on the campaign trail either ignoring them until they are escorted out or ignoring what they are saying and talking about them behind their back afterwards. Quite why you'd entrust running the country to someone who can't even handle one dissenting voice is a mystery to me.

I'm finding myself thinking of an NHS advert. 'I have dementia. I also have a Cable Forum account'.

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Arthur with respect you need to ....oh i can't be bothered :banghead:

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Drag his head out of his own arse ;)

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LOL :tu:

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I know, the economy grew at a faster rate than under Labour and the Tories left Labour an economy in surplus. Truly shaming.

Private money has been building Labour's hospitals and has to be paid back, with interest. Current estimates are that it'll cost 63bn for hospitals worth 11bn but, hey, it's off the books for now and gave Labour something to crow about. Parents having more control over the schools their children attend make a lot of sense, local control of things is good, who better to run things than those who use them and know the local area best?

No we don't - we need a government that encourages people to look after themselves and looks after those who cannot. I will not pay tens of thousands a year in taxes because people refuse to take responsibility for their own lives and well being and expect the government, using my money, to do it for them.

If you want to be looked after by the government China and North Korea are to the East. We're capitalist, despite Labour's best attempts.

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Funny, my cousin is a nurse and earns just over £34k, which in my view and by most people's standards, is not a bad salary.

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stop it your all jeopardizing the recovery :rolleyes:

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[sigh].. Oh Arthur.. A country is no different to you and your family. If you went out every day and spent more than you earned how long do you think that would last until you found yourself with the debt collectors at your door?

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is it 13 years ?

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Arthur sorry but you really need to stop reading the tabloids\tomorrows toilet paper and actually start to do some proper research on all of this. No matter who gets in they will HAVE to make deep cuts to the public sector thats thanks to labour and thier usual growth of government rubbish. None of them are being totally honest about the level of cuts they are going to have to make because they all know damn well it will be an instant vote loser and i can understand that.

I don't read the red tops because none of them know how to report accurately anymore as it is so much easier to scare then report. Only thing that has been a complete certainty for me from day one of this campaign is that labour must not get back in and either lib dem or tory would be a vast improvement over them. I will be voting tory because like everyone i like a lot of what the lib dems say but do not believe they can do all they claim. While much of what the torys have said is not that impossible and i believe it can be done with the massively depleted resources this country now has again thanks to labour.

Each to their own but i would much prefer people not to join the mud slinging brigades doing the rounds in this election and make a choice based on their own individual ideas rather then some stupid loyalty from yesteryear that allows all the partys to have safe seats.

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Yep they probably will. You know what, if the Lib Dems come in they will probably make deep cuts in services, if Labour get in, along with skiing trips to hell and flying pigs, they will probably make deep cuts in services.

It's really quite simple. The government is spending money it doesn't have. It's used all the dodges it can to hide debts off the books but now its finally had to come clean that it has no money and an overdraft bigger than the average student.

It can either sort out this problem and have some pain along the way or ignore it, continue spending money on wasteful schemes like ID cards, NHS IT schemes and the blood of young children for Mandelson to drink and then have the mother of all problems a few years down the line that would makes Greeces issues a walk in the park by comparison.

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Arthur, it's your vote, use it as you wish. There's only one of two parties we'll see in number 10 on the 7th, and that will be either the Conservatives or Labour. In other words, just more of the same that we've been accustomed to for donkeys years.

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How are Davey & Co going to turn this state of affairs around exactly? Any idea?

Or is this just another hollow promise that you are willing to take at face value just because Mr C says it will happen?

You are quick to attempt to shoot down other people on this forum with your snobbish and boorish posts so please at least practice what you preach and lets have some "facts"...

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This forum is about free speech, and the one thing l love about it, is the slanging matches that goes on between members.

On Friday morning, people will be saying, 'oh no ' they got in, then hell for the next five years, The election will gives us a party that will go on tv, to brag at what they are going to achieve, and it will be a load of crap, IF the Tories get in, then prepare yourself for Thatcher 2, as that is what is going to happen. That is my last word on the subject.

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you said that the last time :)

from what i remember of the thatcher years Arthur she bought the country back from the brink of bankruptcy so whoever gets in they will have to do the same ,so yeh Thatcher 2 doesn't sound too bad

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Thatcher 2 -oh be still my beating heart .
this country needs a leader not a blundering economist like Brown.

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Thatcher2 - this time there's a bigger mess to clear up!

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Good

bye:wavey:bye:wavey:

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Indeed :)

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Don't make me laugh, on Thatcher, she crippled this country, and l for one was glad when she was forced to resign. She destroyed a great country, you lot must be all Tory, to come out with all that crap,

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Oi. You said you weren't posting any more in this thread! ;)

Anyway for my money Thatcher was one of the better PM's of the last century.

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absolute rubbish arthur ,

i'll grant that there were some some things she did that were unpopular even wrong in the eyes of some but you have to accept that she dragged this country kicking and screaming out of a labour made nightmare

oh and by "great country" i presume you mean one crippled with strikes, massive inflation huge over spending rubbish in the streeets and dead bodies un buried ...yeah truly great:rolleyes:

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16:55...17:54...
Well, it was nice while it lasted.

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I have to say it's changed from me blindly supporting Labour just because I despise Cameron and now it's down to the fact that I just believe in them more than I do any other party.

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That's strange, Arthur - in a previous version of this thread (Week 2, post #213, 16/04/2010 @15:20) you said

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Don't worry, he's been in for reprogramming since then. Note he's stopped reading the Star and reverted to the Mirror. Dead giveaway. ;)

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Resistance is futile...........

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I was thinking more like in V, where you can tell if someone's been converted when they switch from being right- to left-handed. :D

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ha, ha, no my money is on CLEGG, if l was a betting man, l would go for a shock, as even on the 'table' on this forum, it is neck and neck Tory / Lib.

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Just as well you're not a betting man then Arthur. Have a look at the swingometer on the BBC Election 2010 website - it will educate you as to the futility of the Lib Dem cause. It is virtually impossible for them to increase their share of the seats much beyond about 120 without a massive, massive swing in their favour - much bigger than even recent polls have been giving them. A bet on Clegg becoming PM this week is a total waste of money.

The Lib Dems may of course win some influence in a hung parliament but that's another matter.

However, please do tell us, why are you suddenly shouting VOTE LABOUR when you have been telling us for months that your sitting Labour MP was an idiot and you were refusing to vote for him?

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Labour have had thriteen years to start something on all these issues that they are suddenly passaionate about and have done bugger all so that alone tells you all you need to know. Lib dems are saying things that appeal to a wide audience but on close scrutiny some of their policys unravel quite alarmingly and the economics show where vince cable was taken apart was also not good fortunately for them very few seem to have seen\heard about it.

Are the torys the dream package hell no of course they are not but right now they seem more practical then the alternatives despite some of their shadow ministers (step forward chris "foot in mouth" grayling) being less then confidence inspiring. Welfare does need reform and every sensible person in the UK acknowledges that and the tory idea of everyone being assessed again to determine wotk ability seems fine to me as long as it isn't wholly atos doing it.

Training again is something DC talks of a lot and i would dearly love to see a proper training regime in the UK so we do fill some of the skills gaps with our own people long term rather then keep importing them in. Nick clegg talks about a britain fair for all then has a load of policys ready to hit that will smack those who work hard create wealth and jobs and basically punish those who are stupid enough to gain wealth. Having a brother that stands to be hit massively by the lib dems i admit i am not in favour of them getting in as if labour or the lib dems get in he is off out of the UK taking his tax and ni contributions with him and probably at least a few hundred jobs as well.

People constantly slag the torys because they are not hostile to the rich and thats the way it should be we shouldn't be hostile to people that make jobs and wealth in this country we should encourage more to do it and help them to do it. Neither of the alternatives in this election really hold that view although labour saying one thing right now means nothing were they to get back in as we all know and have had ample proof of for the last thirteen years.

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If l said ' the wife' would you believe me, no secretly, between you and me, l will vote for Libs.

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Arthur are you a push me pull you by any chance

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Arthur you seriously need to get a grip and stop wearing those rose tinted glasses of yours. You are wrong pure and simple.

No she did not cripple this Country - she stifled the unions and rightfully so which crippled the country you mean through countless strikes. Was you abducted by aliens around 1978-1979 - around the time of the Winter of discontent? Strike after strike and some of them unofficial. All this a 'Winter of Discontent' under a Labour Government. So remember please which political party is renowned for crippling the country. History recalls that being Labour.

So Arthur kindly get your facts right or don't post your CRAP. ;)

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Well my prediction from Friday morning.

We all wake up to find that DC is in No 10.

with in 6 months GB is no longer leader of Labour.

The Torys have forgot to carry the 1 in ther maths, and taxes, etc raised.

The way I see it is that this time round the Lib dems have come from a 3rd party to snapping at the heals of the number two, and that voing for them will only benefit the tories.

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Phew - lucky it's a secret ballot then, Arthur.

Actually, this is why you have this uncontrollable urge to vote Labour.....

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I didn't say anything about Cameron doing this, and again I have criticised them numerous times. That was my opinion of what Government should do rather than the socialism that Arthur advocated. Every time we're swung to the left in this country, the previous 13 years, the pre-Thatcher Labour government being obvious examples, we are left needed huge cuts due to the spending of a ton of money the country doesn't have.

If you are interested in the Conservative approach it's in their manifesto, the whole 'Big Society' thing. I don't need to add anything to it - go read.

You're still yet, by the way, to actually give a serious policy position for anything. My posts may be snobbish and boorish but at least I explain my position rather than conjuring up some mysterious dark Conservative conspiracy.

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Fixed that for you.

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Thatcher 2 is indeed incoming. Certainly the cuts needed are as savage as those she undertook (Labour's words by the way, not mine).

Kinda puts all those promises that Gordon Brown is blowing up the electorate's backsides into context doesn't it when his own Chancellor goes off message by telling the truth. Only the Tories have been anything like honest and they are still way short of how nasty it's actually going to have to be. Brown is just giving out nonsense about making promises and trying to divert attention from the scale of everything as much as possible.

I respect Alistair Darling for that a great deal - that he has been good enough to tell the truth sometimes. More than his boss has done.


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She brought the UK back from the humiliation of an IMF bailout and the financial mess that Labour left behind. Her and Major left a strong and growing economy behind with the government running a surplus.

She is hated because of the decisions she had to make to tidy up the mess that Labour left behind, just as the next government will be disliked due to having to tidy up the mess that Labour leave behind.

It's been a simple pattern, Labour rape the economy to grow the state and try and run everything, Tories have to rape the state to try and repair the economy.

Contrary to the ongoing Labour economic wisdom bills do have to be paid and state spending doesn't make or grow the economy, only private sector production can do that.

The Tories did of course make mistakes, plenty of them, but at very least they left a decent and balanced economy behind as opposed to the abject mess that Labour have left behind this time and in 1979, assuming they don't find a way to scare the electorate into voting for them on Thursday.

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Hold on just a blinking mo - that's pretty much what Labour have being doing for the last 13 years I think you will find and even now in this futile campaigning that they have been doing - oh and Arthur - I have to say this but for goodness sake, wind your neck back in will you. :rolleyes:

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That's limp. Very, very limp.

Why do you believe in them?