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There's a big difference between a bigotted view of "we're letting in too many foreigners which I object to because they are foreign" and a concern of hers which was basically "we can't afford to support a rapidly increasing population that are entitled to state support"

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I don't like Gordon, but I think this is more important than the "bigot story" which has dominated today...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-1956149.html

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No I *know* she wasn't - I heard the whole interview and nothing she said was bigoted, all her concerns were genuine questions asking a government which has failed her as a supporter/voter for the Labour Party over the years.

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Does anybody give a flying fig of hat he said?

Everybody has made comments about people they have spoken too.

Myself made a comment about a guy (After we left and was walking back to the car)who was at a Diabetic understanding group, who was being an arse.

Its human nature, and perhaps he should have been more guarded that he had a mic on which happened to be live.

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Sadly this is the reason the BNP is gaining a foothold. When politicians simply refuse to engage with the debate, and prefer instead to simply label people as 'bigoted', it is natural that those people will in time be driven into the arms of a party that will engage with them. The BNP is a monster made in Downing Street IMO.

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Well what can i say.

I have just had my evening meal and put my feet up to watch the news properly. Most of what has happened today i heard about on the radio but to watch and hear what that idiot said and did is shocking to say the least.

If Brown and his cronies get in power following this then there is a serious need to change the election process in this country or we might need to have a revolution.

He knew what he was saying and for him to say it was not intended is just another lie to add to the endless Labours lies we hear every day.

The dark lord Mandelson was quick to try and defuse this but even he had trouble spinning a line that was even remotely helpful to brown.

You can bet the Labour supporters on here will be quick to support him and try and blame this on anyone but the person who said the words.

No one made him say those words no one twisted his arm, They came straight from the soul and proves that he does not give a hoot about the great unwashed that vote for him.

They say that the prime minister is the person that says if the big red button should ever be pushed. Now we find out there are two buttons, One of them is the big red self destruct and Brown pushed it for the Labour party today

Well done Mr Brown BTW Get used to that name because they will not be saying Prime Minister Brown for much longer :D



Thank you Mr Brown for ending Labours chances in the election in such a spectacular way

Thank you Mr Brown for proving to me that you are a complete numpty.


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And now you got that idiot Harman backing her idiot boss...

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Its like watching the muppets in here some times :D

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Excuse me?

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Well you would know. However i don't see any intelligent comments from you at all in this thread just remarks intended to rise a response so you can drag the thread off topic..

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Ahem....

You are looking at a mirror, not a monitor.....;)

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I see your Cameron with a Brown

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2010/04/8.jpg

And raise you a Kinnock....

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...7&d=1272481556

:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

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Bit like watching Brown in the televised debates then... :erm:

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2010/04/9.jpg[


Indeed. Which Muppet does he most resemble?

Jim Henson does not count obviously.

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Gordon Brown may as well pack his bags now. What a numpty!

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:rofl: :rofl: Now THAT'S what I call funny!! :D :D

In my mind's eye I can see a picture of Mandelson with head in hands too.... :D



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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8648029.stm

Spain's credit rating has been downgrded - how long before the UK's is I wonder? The EU needs to get to grips with this issue but was it ever really going to be possible for such big club of diverse members to act promptly and decisively in such matters??.. The Eurosceptics in parliament must be lapping this up.

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You think him insulting someone behind their back then giving a crawling apology is funny?

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This guy is so disliked his own party has avoided using his image in adverts as much as as possible, but you like him and think he's the best change the country has.

So, very simple question, would you care to explain your opinions to the rest of us?

Here's a post of mine explaining why his economics have been abysmal, perhaps before you were old enough to take an interest in politics or economics but if you stay in the UK you'll be picking up the tab for his mistakes.

So, again, why would you vote for this? I really don't understand? You are aware that sooner or later your taxes have to pay if by some miracle he decides to live up to his promises on public services, and your taxes will be paying the interest bill and debts he chalked up, along with sustaining his massive public sector spending.

So, please, convert me. After all votes are a pretty important thing, this is a pretty important election and I struggle with the idea you want to vote for someone whose own party dislikes him and whose own minions are presently plotting to dethrone him.

You were aware of Labour's avoidance of his image in leaflets and his successors touring marginal constituencies to chalk up support from the candidates to unseat him, right?

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If I Write on my ballot paper it goes down as a spoilt paper, therefore defeating the object.
What I want to see, and others, is the ballot paper with a legitimate box for " None of the above "

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Yes I realise that's what you'd like but there isn't a box for that so the only way you can currently show you could be bothered to vote but didn't like the available options is to spoil your paper.

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Whatever it was the woman said, is this the man we want as a leader?
He should have risen above it, instead he was found out.
" Who was it who put me there? "
Does this sound like someone who should be leading the country?
Sorry Gawd, but leading this country out of the current mess is more important than moaning about awkward questions.

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And I know what you are saying, but that method has no effect.

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How ironic it is that Brown became PM unelected but, if by some major miracle New Labour win the election, he'll probably be removed having been finally elected... lol

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Makes you wonder what sort of things he says(and does) that we don't get to hear about.

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Precisely, which justifies why I and many others just get on with our normal lives on election day.

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Maybe, but I bet she has her pension credit issue resolved now... ;)

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Surely the same as not being arsed to turn up I guess, I really do not get all of this 'none of the above' business.

If you do not want to vote for any of 'the above' then don't vote, the turnout figures will do that for you surely?

Or would someone like to explain it to me?

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and you think 'none of the above' would have more?.. I reckon it'd have about as much effect as Bliar's petitions on the No10 website.. ;)

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I wonder why none of the debates took place in London. It's seems to be a deliberate statement to avoid the City to avoid criticism of being too focused on London and the South East but given the population density it seems an odd omission.

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Which brings us back to Andrew Rawnsley's claims which were strongly refuted by Brown's cronies of course...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...ndrew-rawnsley

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It's just the politician's idea of a consolation prize to the regions for London getting the Olympics.... :D

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Both are pointless, but...

Basically if you don't vote, you're just in the group of "non-voters" and if the members can't be bothered to turn up and spoil their ballots, then they're not likely to vote no matter what, so it's better to concentrate on swaying those who do bother to vote. A non-voter isn't a threat to anyone, the numbers of non-voters can be shrugged off as being never likely to vote anyway so no potential votes are lost.

If there was 80% turn out and 40% spoilt ballots, then that says there's loads of potential votes that a party could have.
These are people who can be bothered to go to the polling booths, and so would vote for a party if they were impressed enough by them.
The media are more likely to pick up on the issue and hammer the politicians with it as it's a clear vote of no confidence.

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Thanks Xaccers :) I understand that better now.

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Somebody with sense.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/8639348.stm

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While this argument is sound in principle, its central weakness is in the likely number of people in any constituency who are politically motivated enough to come out to vote and yet not to align themselves with any of the candidates on the ballot.

A typical constituency in England has about 70,000 voters. To expect 28,000 people to turn out with the deliberate intention of expressing support for none of the above is a bit optimistic, I think.

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But would it not be nice to have the choice?;)

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You do have a choice. You can put up a deposit and stand for election yourself. Or support someone else who has chosen to do that. I think it's fair to say there is an independent on the ballot paper more often than not, in any given election.

In the final analysis, personally I just don't think the number of people who would actually turn out and then select 'none of the above' would be worth the amount of Parliamentary time that it would take to pass the measure into law.

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He never did stand on his head & juggle ice-cream :(

Brewster beat to him it...

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Brewsters Millions - Man they don't make films like that any more! Top film.

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This little fiasco reinforces the subtext of the Neo-Liebour and liberal elites smearing of anyone who disagree's with the policy of open (and uncontrolled/barely controlled) immigration, being a fascist/bigot/xenophobe/racist.... So much for the governments anouncement of 6 months or so ago, that we, the British people needed to have and open and frank debate about the impact of migration into the UK, without that subtext of smearing that has come from the supporters of immigration.... It seems Gordon, in an unguarded moment may well have stated what he truely believes, and for a change not what he thinks the plebs want to hear.

As for his announcement of contrition outside the ladies house.... He looked as genuine as one of my copies of The Mona Lisa.... Namely, not very....

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More like nonsense.

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Taxes will have to pay (rise) and that will be irrespective of which party gets elected. And things will get rougher. All as a consequence of a global economic screw up, not something GB cooked up personally (although he could in hindsight have done things differently but then hindsight is a wonderful thing).

It's this annoying emphasis on "personalities" in politics that irks me. I am fully aware that Brown is not blessed with one (a personality) but surely it should be about parties and their policies and not about how a particular political figure behaves or projects.

It's going to be interesting whatever happens. Personally I would not like to see the Tories back on the throne or the Lib Dems sat in it for the first time but then I have very little faith in Labour either.

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Correct! :tu:

I've just been listening to a succession of shameless New Labour stooges, culminating in that wholly unpalatable hypocrite Charlie Wheelan, claiming everything from Brown's not really like that to it's all been exagerrated by the media. I wonder if former spinmeister Wheelan would have been so understanding of such insults and critical of the the media's role in this had it been Clegg or Cameron who'd slipped up and were getting hammered? No, he'd have been gleefully leading the vitirolic personal attacks and calling for heads to roll just like his former colleagues in the New Labour's miserable grubby smears section Draper and McBride.

This episode has shown up just how these people will say or do anything to try to get votes. The don't give a stuff about the electorate, less still the electorate's concerns. Anyone who disagrees is fair game for any amount of personal attacks - political collateral damage! Only when they get caught out do their true colours show.

Even during his 'sincere' personal apology, Brown's spinners were trying to persuade Mrs Duffy to pose for a handshake photo-opportunity with him. I wonder how much of the 40 odd minutes he spent with her were motivated by and devoted to the 'apology' and how much to trying to persuade her to make a public showing of forgiveness to recover the situation and boost his image? For some people a sincere apology was all that was required from Brown but he couldn't even manage that without blatantly trying to salvage what's left of his tattered reputation.

What this shows yet again is that despite all the regurgitated promises to listen to the people, to respect those with concerns about immigration, encourage debate about it and take action to control it, New Labour's agenda is quite the reverse. They care nothing for the views of the people of this country and gerrymandering on a national scale is what they're about. The utter cynicism and hypocrisy of these people really knows no bounds. They care about one thing and one thing only - their own survival and even their own deluded supporters are fair game!

New Labour - A Future Fair for All (as long as and only when you happen to be of some use to them that is...) :rolleyes:

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Possibly but it'd be even nicer to have someone worth voting for in every constituency... ;)

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And it's in the majority winner's interest to keep them out of the polling stations lest they vote for the other bloke.
I have often wondered if Labour's plan has been to increase voter apathy so that it comes down to which party has the largest number of die hard supporters that would vote for a banana if you painted it red.

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Me too!

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Another tempting idea, except that the conventional wisdom is that it tends to be Labour voters who are more prone to apathy.

Low turnout is a symptom of voters becoming disengaged with the whole political process. They think they can't change anything, due to a lack of real choice, so therefore why bother. I just don't see how adding a 'none of the above' to the ballot paper is going to change that.

Radical electoral reform, not tinkering around the fringes, is the only way we're likely to get any reversal of that apathy.

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