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With all due respect Chamberlain may have been short sighted about the Nazis intentions but that was due to the fact that he didn't want another Great War so soon after WW1 and was looking for a peaceful solution

It's such a slur to say or infer that he was a Nazi sympathiser..:rolleyes:

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Thank you nomadking. That is what I referred to before. So why did SMG tell me to read my history?

I don't see how Islam4UK are equal to Nazi Germany or that recognising their right to protest is equal to appeasement.

I suspect it was an attempt to avoid answering my points in favour of dismissing them in the most patronising way possible or that I missed some minor point about Chamberlain that was actually relevant to this topic. Unless of course Islam4UK have revealed plans to take over Czechoslovakia?

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I have said this all along, if any Muslim causes aggro and it breaks the law, deport them, if they were born in this country, still deport them. If they cannot live by our laws, then so be it, and before members get on the bandwagon about, it is there right to protest, IF they break the law, then they have broken that 'freedom of speech' they would not get away with it in any other country, then don't do it here.

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Fair enough that breaking the law is not protected under freedom of speech but why deport Muslims who commit crimes even if they were born here? What about Christians who commit crimes who were born here?

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Deport them because they're Muslim criminals? Does that mean criminals with no religious leanings can stay in the country?

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Damien, l think you are taking things out of context, Muslim extremists are protesting against the UK fighting for the freedom of others, and yet these extemists are trying to walk down the high street of Wooton with empty coffins, this is a grave insult to the hero's returning.

It has nothing to do with the general public who are innocent people, BUT it is almost certain that these members of the town, won't like it and this will cause aggro,

This country is proud of the 'freedom of speech' that we have, but all the extremeist wants to do is cause trouble - and possible bloodshed. This country is very soft, and it is always the inncocent that gets arrested, while the extremist will get away with it. I still maintain that if they break the law by walking through the town, whilst a ban is in force, then that is it as far as l am concerned.

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Unless you are prepared to deport anyone who breaks the law and not just muslims then what you are saying is singularly racist and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Just because protestors "would not get away with it (whatever "it" is) in any other country" does not give you the right to deport them. After all, as several posters on here often like to remind us when it comes to the behaviours of other countries "it's their country, their rules".

In this instance (the UK) it's the UK's rules and those rules include the right to protest, the right to free association and the right to free speech and the right to a fair trial in the event that they are accused of breaking the law (which is different from exercising a fundamental right I might add) - irrespective of whether you agree with their opinions or law abiding actions or not.

If you don't like the rules then perhaps you should consider re-locating to a country whose disregard for such rights is more in tune with your line of thought?

As I stated earlier - I don't believe that this march was ever intended to take place but rather that it was designed to stir up naked aggression against muslims in the UK in order that it might be exposed to the world. Those who are foolish enough to vent their (for the greater part) ill informed rhetoric in this thread are doing the job admirably for them.

Leave islam4uk alone, starve them of the oxygen of vapid and rabid publicity which they and their supporters so obviously crave, and they will crawl back under their respective rocks.

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Mr Angry, First of all l am NOT RACIST, what l am saying IF they break the law, then this is what should happen, IF anyone breaks the law then you should be punished for it, IF they are visitors to this country on a Visa, then they have broken that visa, and therefore, should be deported.

I live near the Harmondsworth detention centre, and twice a week, a plane takes deportees back to the own country as they have have broken the law or they are not allowed to be here, we pay our taxes for that. ANYONE can protest - legally in silence, BUT if they cause trouble, this is breaking the law, then so be it.

Are you saying that they are quite legally entitled to cause trouble and get away with it.

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Yes of course if someone breaks the law they ought to be punished but why whould the punishment for Muslims be deportation? Why should Muslims get a different punishment from Christians?

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Arthur, with all due respect, what you said in relation to muslims was;

"if they were born in this country, still deport them."

That is quite different to deporting someone to "their own country" when they have broken a law which warrants the need to do so.

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No one is saying people don't have a right to protest or demonstrate only that there are place's and ways of doing it and this group doing it in wootton bassett is not the way in any shape or form. As i have said repeatedly i am more then happy for I4UK or any other group to go protest our involvement in afghanistan or iraq in london or anywhere officially associatted with either the government or even gordon brown go protest outside chequers but not wootton bassett.

Is that so hard for a couple of you to understand there is no talk about removing a right only in limiting it for the good of the vast vast majority. Other then this grouip no one else even wants this march and given this group represent such a tiny litlle minority is it really so bad to tell them "not in that place, go to london". Like it or not we are not the great multicultural society that some would like to believe we have in some place's horrendous tensions and anything that could heighten those and maybe cause injury or abuse to another person should not be allowed to go ahead.

This group would be quite happy to have us all at each other's throats and attacking ourselves i am not prepared to honour any right to people like that and am not prepared to support them in any rights they may claim to have but would happily deny everyone if they could. Most muslims in this country are peace loving and have a love for the UK and do not wish to be associatted with groups such as these and shouldn't have to suffer any negative affects because fo a tiny bunch of traitorous morons.

This may be for some of you one little protest that doesn't mean anything but it has the potential to do so much damage to many many people that do not deserve it and that's yet another reason to stop it before it gets going. In fact the reasons to prevent this far far outnumber the reasons to allow it and the reasons for not allowing are not all little englander xenophobic reasons there are genuine concerns amongst many including the muslim community in letting this go ahead.

So far i havn't read a single reason that is good enough to allow this to go ahead given what it may cause in the wider country.

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Why, we don't have to let them in, ship 'em straight of again

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Rizzy, I understand and sympathise with what you are saying, but should the same rules apply if the BNP or EDL want to march outside a Mosque to be provocative?

(I ask this, as I remember the Orange Walk marchers/band stopping outside Catholic churches for five/ten minutes, blaring out anti-Catholic songs, at a time during their marches through Glasgow, being equally provocative).

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Mr Angry, Let me outline the point of 'there own country' If muslim extremist cause problems, and they were born here, then surely there own family must know what is going on, and should be prepared to stop this stupidy.

There are many muslim families in this country that are grateful for the help and support this country gives them, l have no problem with that, what my point is, if that person comes from a family that holds the same view as the protestor, then that is it.

We have to draw the line, this is why there are so many problems in this country, and the government just sits there and allows it to carry on,

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Umm Arthur? Can you answer my questions in posts 306 and 310 please?

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While I do agree that people should be allowed to protest no matter how odious one may regard their opinions, protests can be banned to protect public order. I don't think this approach should be taken lightly, but in this particular instance I'd be inclined to agree. It's like freedom of speech really. As much as I value freedom of speech, it does not extend to shouting 'fire' in a full cinema.

Having said that. I don't think threats to disturb the peace if the march would not be banned are very helpful either...

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Hi Russ, to answer the question is that, this problem is about the extremists that will cause problems on the march, with the coffins through Wooton, from what l have read is that the BNP are planning on closing roads going into it.

It is certain that with the heated debate going on and the likelyhood of bloodshed, you will have various people wether it will be muslims, christians whoever, that will cause problems, then IF there is a ban, then they should be arrested and prosecuted and IF they are on a visa deport them, does this answer your question

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No Arthur, again with all due respect, your point in relation to muslims was quite clear and unequivocal "if they were born in this country, still deport them."

Your statement that "There are many muslim families in this country that are grateful for the help and support this country gives them" is indicitive of your mindset. This is a misperception that you and several others on this board appear to be suffering from in that you (jointly) are feeding into and perpetuating the concept of all muslims (or the vast majority thereof) as being "benefit spongers".

For your information a very sizable number of the muslim population in the UK are in employment and not in receipt of benefits.

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Not really. You said "any Muslim" breaking the law should be deported. I'm just wondering why you think followers of that religion should be deported and not say Christians, Sikhs, Hindis etc

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I am not going to get into the religious bit, this thread started that a Islamic group plan to march through Wooton.

NO matter who they are and they break the law they should be punished, IF there are here on visa, that is it.

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You went in to the religious bit earlier when you said "any Muslim" breaking the law should be deported.

Unless you're under the impression that all Muslims in the UK are here on a visa.

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Sorry for the late response Forever yes i think marches of that nature also need to be stopped. In one instance in this country we talk about getting tough with bullying and intimidation and on the other hand we allow it to happen if it is done in a certain way. I think any protest or demonstration that doesn't have a relevent point and isn't backed up by something other then one twisted persons view and opinion shouldn't be allowed.

In the case we are debating they are not simply planning to protest\demonstrate they are going to talk about things they have no knowledge of smearing an entire group of people they despise and then have the audacity to contact relatives trying to spread their disgusting views in their time of grief. I am all for freedom's and rights but they have to come with a responsibility and an acceptence by all of us that choose to exercise those rights of how they will affect other people.

At no time has the british military ever deliberately targetted civilians in either iraq or afghanistan or employed any covert policy of shoot to kill where civilians are concerned and for any group to say otherwise with absolutely no proof or facts to back it up in the place where we most honour our service people should simply not be allowed.

Arthur you did say "muslims that break the law should be deported" and i don't personally agree with that in anyway but having said it you do have to answer why there is in your mind one rule for muslims and another for whatever other religion if your going to bring religion into punishment for criminal offences.

While i do not have a large group of friends that are muslim the one's i do have are appalled that this is even being considered, they feel this is an insult too far by a group they do not feel has ever or will ever represent them but that group will go and claim to represent muslims they have no right too another damn good reason to ban this march.

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What about us non muslim and non christians?

Depends how you look at it and what law they have broken. if it's one that is against the British (or the country they are in) then you could deport them then?

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Hi Russ, The way this world is going, you don't know who's on a visa and who ain't.

All l am saying is that anyone who breaks the law, should be punished, IF they are on a visa, then they should go, if they live here and born here, then something has to be done to sort the problem out, so theye don't do it again- otherwise it goes in a circle.:)

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So you mean to deport some Muslims who break the law as opposed to all?

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This is my final comment.

WHOEVER breaks the law, has to be punished full stop.:(

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34940638) It's such a slur to say or infer that he was a Nazi sympathiser..:rolleyes:

Re read the posts again Maggy, no one said he was a sympathiser.:rolleyes:

Damian, to allow these terrorist fanatics to preach their hatred is simple appeasement. Chamberlain was a man of peace who negotiated with Hitler & returned with an assurance of "Peace in our time". Have a read here & see what his "Appeasement" allowed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/histori..._neville.shtml

These Fanatical, Radical Muslim organisations are no different to Hitlers Nazi party, they want to force their will upon free peoples, use force whenever necessary, & are prepared to kill innocent people just to further their aims.


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Ah ha, Godwin's law.

I was wondering when that'd pop up.

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I don't believe Arthur intends to deport just anyone, & no one is saying all Muslims are sicko`s.

As far as deportation goes, my criteria would be:

Any person, born here or not, any race or religion, who is a member of a known, banned terrorist organisation, who openly preaches death & destruction to the UK, & incites others to kill British troops, should be stripped of their citizenship, & deported to a British held territory, perhaps the Falklands.

Even Wales at a pinch, Russ can sort em out.


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Grow up. Nazis were mentioned way earlier in the thread.

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Wales?

Wouldn't that be classed as cruel and inhumane?

Send them to Glasgow - that'll sort 'em out.

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Indeed, any British citizen?

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Thank you SMG for that, that is precisely what l mean't.;)

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That is what I said Russ. Irrespective of race, colour, religion, (Double for the Welsh m8).

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Yes they were - but not in the context of Godwins law. Sorry if you're offended.

Sorry, I'm a bit lost SMG.

Correct me if I'm wrong here but in saying that you'd deport them to "a British held territory, perhaps the Falklands" are you suggesting that if they cause offence to british people on british soil whilst british soldiers fight for their freedom that your idea of a punishment is that they should be deported to a british territory occupied by british citizens whose freedom was won by the sacrifice of british soldiers?

Is that not a rather convoluted - and expensive - way of maintaining the status quo?

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Hitler had already invaded and taken part of Czechoslovakia. Chamberlain went over there and got an agreement saying he wouldn't continue in his actions but effectively allowing that invasion. Hitler then invaded poland.

We are allowing a protest.

It's of absolutely no comparison.

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Yep. We cant deport them to anywhere else. No one will take em. We have islands, some deserted, which are British territory, how long do you thing these morons would last in the Falklands, you think its cold here??

Take the benefits off these people & put them in tented camps. Better than I got when I went. Better than our troops get most places. Let them chant & march as much as they want, Im sniggering just picturing these boys trudging the moors.

The people of the Falklands wont take the kind of crap we take. They know what its like to be over run with "Undesirables".

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A protest by members of terrorist groups, appeasement.

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Oh you mean an INTERNMENT camp.

That old chestnut.That didn't work in WW11 or during the troubles in NI and all it will do here will be to radicalise even more Muslims.:rolleyes:

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It worked for the western Allies just fine during WWII, worked even better during the Boer war, all be it with tragic consequences

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i thought he was describing some thing like this

A penal colony is a settlement used to exile prisoners and separate them from the general populace by locating them in a remote location, often an island or distant colonial territory.

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In your opinion. :rolleyes:

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Terrorist groups? Which terrorist groups would they be then?

This thread has gone from the sublime to the ridiculous.

Free speech is supported, but only if the speech is something we want to hear. British citizens should be put in internment camps (actually only Muslims). Muslims who commit crimes should be deported *somewhere*.

I think it's not just objectionable mouthy Muslims we need to be worried about, but the (seemingly) normal members of society who reject the right to free speech and, furthermore, want to set up internment camps for Muslims who exercise that right.

Is British society so fragile that a few mouthy extremists can cause this kind of hysterical response?

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Once again why Muslim criminals? Why not Christians? Or even atheist offenders?

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Precisely.

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Ok prove to me that internment in NI actually worked?That it actually achieved anything beyond making martyrs and encouraging young Catholics to join the IRA..

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Jesus wept.

You need to read this thread again, most of what your saying here has already been covered & answered in detail. However, in answer to your question

"Terrorist groups? Which terrorist groups would they be then"?

Just Google this boys name, & read awhile. Or, have a look here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...y-profile.html

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I've read pretty much all of the thread thanks. None of my points has been answered at all. I've seen exactly what I wrote above.

I repeat, which terrorist group wants to protest? It's a simple question.

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First of all, I served in NI, & I don't need to prove jack to you. I have had many a debate with MR ANGRY over this issue, he, is one of the few people who understands the NI situation.

Second, NI is not relevant to this thread.

You introduced the "Internment" camp post to further your own point.

You interpreted my post incorrectly, then twisted it to suit you own point of view.

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From the link:

But he later embraced radical Islamism and co-founded the extremist organisation al-Muhajiroun, working with the Islamist militant leader Omar Bakri Muhammad.

Since the organisation was banned in 2004 under anti-terrorist legislation, the married father-of-four has been embroiled in controversy on numerous occasions.


Heres another web page for you.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5889411.ece

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You seem to think that their right to protest not being squashed is akin to Chamberlain appeasing Hitler?

That is a a rather desperate attempt is it not? It bears no resemblance to appeasement. We are not giving them anything, we are letting them protest which is their right by default. Hitler wasn't 'protesting' was he? :rolleyes:

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An appeaser is a man who feeds a crocodile, & hopes it will eat him last.:dunce:

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Islam4UK have indicated they want to stage a protest, not al-Muhajiroun which, as I'm sure you know, is a banned organization. One can argue about the similarities, but they are different (as Islam4UK is careful to stay within the law).

Islam4UK is not a banned organization and, despite having objectionable views, it's members have the same rights and privileges as anyone else in the UK. That includes free speech.

As I said above, the almost hysterical over-reaction to the Islam4UK publicity stunt is almost beyond belief. It's played straight into Choudary's hands of course, but far more important than that, it has caused British citizens to, effectively, call for a suspension of the right to free-speech and the setting up of internment camps/penal colonies for citizens who say things 'we' don't like.

Nobody in this thread has answered any of those points. There's been replies, but that's not the same.

I'm very disappointed in the reaction. I thought we were better than that.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5889411.ece

Experts say that al-Muhajiroun continues to exist, in effect, because its supporters simply set up new groups, some overt and others covert, which are not yet proscribed. One such group, Islam for the UK, which praised yesterday's demonstration with a lengthy statement on its website, is being run by Mohammed's former al-Muhajiroun partner Anjem Choudary. The Home Office said today that it was monitoring all organisations to ascertain whether they support the glorification of terrorism, and whether they should be proscribed

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Please post the link to this statement.

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This seems pretty clear to me, and was the reason I actually replied to the thread.


My bold

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Sorry pal I cant debate with you anymore. :dunce:

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Oh the nerve of it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ef4Y...eature=channel

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Your service in NI should have given you a very good idea that internment had the opposite result to the one intended.Also your suggestion of deporting British born Muslims to deserted islands/the Falklands in case they are would be terrorists seems pretty akin to internment to me and therefore the discussion of NI internment camps are VERY RELEVANT to your assertion that we treat British citizens this way.

So if I interpreted your post 'incorrectly' would you kindly explain to me why I am incorrect in my interpretation?

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I don't think he's debating anymore :rolleyes:

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Debating? This was debating?:)

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CF style... ;)

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As this thread is going no where but completely off topic for the most part now it seems like a good point to cease participating as i think all positions are clearly known and not about to change so we will just have to see what happens cya all :).

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Internment is the imprisonment or confinement of people, commonly in large groups, without trial.

Explain to me where I suggested any form of imprisonment for these anti British fascists??

I said, & I quote:


If your interpretation of a "Tented camp" is an an internment camp, you are quite wrong. A hell of a lot of free people in the world live in "tented" camps. That is why your interpretation is wrong.

We can not deport them to anywhere but a British held territory. I mentioned the Falklands because I know the place. Bleak. Find somewhere else if you like.

I never mentioned, or implied these people would be prisoners, on the contrary, they would be free to preach to whoever they want, to live free as a bird, to enjoy their lives as much as they want, pray 500 times a day, wail as much as they like, do whatever they want, stand on a soap box & rant as much as they like, march up & down the mountains whenever they want, I would give them all the freedom they want.

They would be free to move to any country that would take them.
But without a british passport.

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I don't know if its just my connection, but the islam4uk homepage isn't working, hopefully the haters website has been closed down...shame.

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It's also down for me too. They're probably getting too many visits.

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I agree with you on that..:)

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They had a DDOS attack.

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and for those who are unsure this is how it should be done


Samina and Abdul just happen to be Muslims who live in Wootton Bassett. But when a press photographer spotted them in the crowd at Tuesday's repatriation ceremony, they suddenly became a symbolic reminder of the majority of British Muslims, those who are peace-loving, patriotic and as proud of our Armed Forces as anyone else

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0c6XmQGRp

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Excellent find, papa - I found it very moving, and thought the last line very apt

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you cannot be serious ,are you realy suggesting that we take all would be terrorists and dump them in another british held territory ,what makes you think the inhabitants of these places you have in mind want them any more than we do ?and how can they live in a british held teritory without british citizenship which you would take from them .Put all the bombers in one place in tents in the middle of nowhere so they hate Britain even more ,make them all living martyrs so encouraging bombers from other countries to bomb us in their name

for the record

worst idea ever

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So whats your answer then?

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all we can do is lock them if they break the law

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Down according to http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/h....islam4uk.com/

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Where?

I wouldn't lock them up, I would give them the freedom to do whatever they liked, just not here in the UK.

Find another land for them to ruin.

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The way i see it though is, passing them on to another country isn't going to make Britain any safer it's just moving the problem not solving it ,i do agree with you that exreme measures are needed but turning them into martyrs will only fire up other would be terrorists

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don't they have to be dead to become martyrs ?

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technically yes ,but if SMG gets his way and dumps them all on a desert island then they be living martyrs and we would be the pariahs of the islamic world (more than we are now ,and more than the USA)and all terror campaigns would be focused on us

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If we lock them up the situation could become worse, at least if they are deported, we wouldn't be paying them, or allowing them to recruit followers, or allowing them to demonstrate on the streets.

My proposal would never be implemented anyway, the human rights would be all over us, locking them up would have the same effect.

To be fair, we are all one legged men in an backside kicking competition. But I do know, leaving them to do what they want is bang out of order.

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British Muslims, that vast majority that are decent people, could take some pointers from this. Where's this from the imams here and in the rest of Europe?

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about time they did something ,this will make a difference to some not all just some of the terrorists and that may save some lives

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:clap::clap: Good find.. Now like you said lets hear from their European counterparts.
It has always baffled me at the silence of the Imams in Europe when these atrocities are carried out/planned but they VERY vocal at perceived insults/slurs.

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http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news...nisations.html



AN EXTREMIST Islamic group planning to march through a war heroes' town will be OUTLAWED this week.

Home Secretary Alan Johnson will use his powers to smash warped organisations run by hate-preacher Anjem Choudary.

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Good news :tu:

However just you wait, The role over and surrender brigade will be here shortly to condemn that.

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Nice one and maybe now the hand wringers will stop spouting that marches like this should be allowed as it is the marchers rights.

Stop wringing your hands and kissing their butts and realise that the vast majority of people in this country do not want to see **** like this desecrating the memory of fallen servicemen.

If they want to have a protest march then they should fly out to Kabul and hold it there.

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I would pay into a fund for that :LOL:

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thats whole point though ,at the moment it is legal for them to march (if allowed by the police)so they shuld be allowed ,BUT the moment that right is taken away by process of law then i would fully support it

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You guys really are offensive - almost everyone who posted on this thread stated they found the fact that these idiots who proposed this march abhorrent and disgusting, but some were concerned if the banning went ahead, what would be banned next (BNP marches, EDL marches, marches protesting against the Labour Government); sometimes, these things have to be viewed in a larger context, not in isolation.

But with you, it seems to be black and white, right or wrong, no gray.

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hear,hear :tu::tu:

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If this march went ahead the would be rival protests against it.

Any such march that is just intended to cause offence and distress to the relatives, friends, colleagues of the fallen serviceman who attend their return through the town should have been banned with immediate effect and then this thread would never have reached 25 pages.

The hand wringers will soon be out in force anyway.

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I have always held the view that the Bnp should not be allowed to march.

This march has me very annoyed. I have a son who has done 2 tours in Afghanistan and thankfully he has come home both times in one piece, Four of his friends have not been so lucky and i would have been horrified if protesters had been allowed to do what this group threatened to do when they were repatriated,

I went to a coming home parade in chivner where there was a contingent of people calling the boys baby killers and other things it was a good job the police were there because the lads family would have ripped them a new a i can tell you.

I cannot stand it when people are more interested in letting things happen on the off chance that turning your back on them will make some form of statement it will not they will just continue to carry on because the press and the papers will cover it. I have never had any time for those that think doing nothing will make the bogey man go away it does not. Sometimes you have to stand up to bullies or groups like this who would have turned up at wootton bassett if we had not stood up to them.

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My thoughts exactly, we cannot turn our backs and think that it will appease these types of people, any such march should be banned without having to be considered and pondered on.

The same goes for any ultra right wing group like the BNP or National Front as they are as bad in many ways.

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Could I ask all those who think this march should be banned, to provide, in as much detail as possible, the criteria by which they would rule what is allowable and what should be banned? Where exactly do you draw your line?

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What I posted above in 387 is reason enough.

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"All that it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"


i think with freedom of speech comes a great responsibility [to use it wisely]

freedom of speech imo is not an automatic right to preach hatred and incite violence ,that is a mockery of British values ..islam 4 uk have used it to further their cause and spread their message of hate ,that is not freedom of speech[as it was intended to be ] its inciting civil unrest imo , and im glad it will be banned as should any group who overstep the mark.

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but how far do you go in banning groups you don't like ,at what point does freedom of speech and democracy turn into a dictatorship were only those that we agree with are allowed to speak .I agree 100% that this group is wrong in their proposed actions ,i don't agree with it but it is legal the same as calling the queen a sponger of the state or gordon brown useless ,some people would say that is treason but because we are a free country we allow this .Maybe some of muslim bashers on this forum should get out of the dark ages and learn to accept the fact that other people have differing views

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No, I don't think it is enough. I'm not looking for your reasons for banning this march specifically. What I'm after is a set of criteria that you would use, generally, for deciding which marches are allowable, and which should be banned.

If you establish that some marches should not be allowed to happen, you have to have a set of rules in place so that decisions on banning and allowing are always fair and reasonable.

What I want to know is, do you have such a fair set of rules in mind, or does this just boil down to 'I don't like it, so I think it should be banned'?

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Chris

If this march had been anywhere else i would have said let them march. The problem is the location of that march that has me annoyed. This march was intended to sour the memory of our lads. Every time there would have been a repatriation after this the memory of that march would be on people minds, The press would have shown excerpts from it, correct me if i am wrong but to have had this march they would have had to bookin advance the date and time for the march, what would have happened should that date have been agreed and then one of the fallen was to be flown in on the same day.

I for one feel that ultra right wing groups should be stopped from marching in this country because of the costs for policing, the disruption to the area the march is in and the damage that occurs sometimes when these marches get out of hand.

Islam4uuk or what ever they will next be called is in my eyes a ultra right wing group and therefor should not be allowed to march.


Its not often i take a stance like this but this march in particular has me very very annoyed and upset.

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That is the reason I feel it should be banned is because the intention is to cause distress and get themselves good media coverage with the added incentive of a possible counter protest with some rioting thrown in for good measure.

The town has been deliberately chosen because of the coverage given by the media over the way the town mourns the returning fallen servicemen.

If they feel that this is a necessary march why not try doing a similar march as I have stated in a previous post through a garrison town.

I stand with Sirius on this matter and believe that it should not be allowed due to the location chosen.

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I am not and never have been a muslim basher or racist. I find the whole concept of racism disgusting and has no place in our society

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I'm sick of being called a do gooder,hand wringer or the roll over and surrender brigade or any other epitaph just because I have a different view on democracy.

What I am up for is defending democracy and freedom of speech for ALL..not just the vigilante right wing bully boy's view of democracy.

There, how do you like the name calling?

You are allowed your opinions under the rights afforded to you in a democracy and under the right to freedom of speech.Thankfully you are on no position to enforce them.

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thank you

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what on earth makes you think that the authorities would repatriate any soldier on the day of the march ?