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Damien 30-08-2009 00:04
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34863684)
Vintage slice from donkey, he even had the good manners to end up on his arse too. Unforgettable. Flog him back to Spurs.
That was funny too, Bearing in mind his popularity with United fans seeing him sky that ball was a brief moment of amusement in the 2nd half. I mean it was an amazing chance!

Mal 30-08-2009 00:08
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34863682)
Well, Ironically, I thought our defence was good. Kept United from having a single decent shot. Which is why they decided to help out and score one on United behalf :dozey:. This was our weakest point last season and it's encouraging. As were are midfield.
But we also dealt with your attack quite well too. The shots on and off target are close, with Utd having one more shot on target.

My point was though, watching the match, I wasn't sitting there quaking in my boots, thinking that Arsenal were going to score at any minute.

Between the two, yes Arsenal looked the more likely to score, but United looked bad up front and are not playing as good as old. What will Arsenal do when they play a team who are playing on form?

I did say that they were better than last year and I did mean that in the defensive area.

Damien 30-08-2009 00:16
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Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34863686)
But we also dealt with your attack quite well too. The shots on and off target are close, with Utd having one more shot on target.

My point was though, watching the match, I wasn't sitting there quaking in my boots, thinking that Arsenal were going to score at any minute.

Between the two, yes Arsenal looked the more likely to score, but United looked bad up front and are not playing as good as old. What will Arsenal do when they play a team who are playing on form?

I did say that they were better than last year and I did mean that in the defensive area.
Well United didn't have a good shot on target even if they were the same. Arsenal had the two good ones. One which resulted in a goal, one which produced a great save from foster. You could include the free kick from Persie which was nice but hit the post.

Arsenal didn't dominate the game but they were comfortable and it's one of the hardest games of the season.

Also. Did anyone else think the ref was a bit card happy? He booked pretty much the entire pitch. I can't remember every incident but Song getting booked for a simple protest over a throw in seemed a bit over the top.

Arsenal probably got payback for the dive against Celtic with that refused penalty. The Rooney penalty was similar to Eduardos. Nothing happening, try for the penalty, only unlike midweek this time the keeper actually took him down. Stupid penalty to give away.

The own goal was a freak accident and hopefully Diaby won't let it get to him and spoil his otherwise good start to the season. He almost atoned for it with some fancy footwork moments after! All that was missing a finish.

Mal 30-08-2009 00:23
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34863688)
Well United didn't have a good shot on target even if they were the same. Arsenal had the two good ones. One which resulted in a goal, one which produced a great save from foster. You could include the free kick from Persie which was nice but hit the post.

Arsenal didn't dominate the game but they were comfortable and it's one of the hardest games of the season.
What I was trying to say is that defensively, we appeared to be quite comfortable as well, it was just in attack, we were quite clueless for a lot of the time, but we were not overrun, all hands on deck in defence.

When you play a team who are on form in attack, things may look different.

kingbuxton 30-08-2009 01:48
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It was a 50/50 game tbh. We just aren't playing well, not enough flare. Rooney is on his own at times as far as imagination on the ball. Our defence is just solid. Foster will be a very good keeper when he get some games under his belt.

100% Pen for Arsenal, but it led to an even better goal, I would take that over a Pen. Rooney was a Pen as well, yeah he was looking for it, but the Keeper still took him out.

Wengers reaction to the sending off was exactly what it deserved. It was Off-Side (If Gallas hadn't gone for the header it would have stood) and he was naffed off, kicking a bottle "BIG DEAL" it was genius. The odd Muppet UTD fan aside he was getting applause for it.

How long before it is a T-Shirt? Give that man Manager of the month. Place your bets the FA will get all up themselves over it and fine him.

Oh and yes, way too many Yellows, it wasn't a dirty game.

yesman 30-08-2009 01:53
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Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34863720)
It was a 50/50 game tbh. We just aren't playing well, not enough flare. Rooney is on his own at times as far as imagination on the ball. Our defence is just solid. Foster will be a very good keeper when he get some games under his belt.

100% Pen for Arsenal, but it led to an even better goal, I would take that over a Pen. Rooney was a Pen as well, yeah he was looking for it, but the Keeper still took him out.

Wengers reaction to the sending off was exactly what it deserved. It was Off-Side (If Gallas hadn't gone for the header it would have stood) and he was naffed off, kicking a bottle "BIG DEAL" it was genius. The odd Muppet UTD fan aside he was getting applause for it.

How long before it is a T-Shirt? Give that man Manager of the month. Place your bets the FA will get all up themselves over it and fine him.

Oh and yes, way too many Yellows, it wasn't a dirty game.
I agree 100 %

I actually felt embarrassed for Wenger TBH

Shadow Demon UK 30-08-2009 11:13
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I thought both teams were poor yesterday, which was what i was expecting with it being so early in the season. It wasn't a bad thing because it actually made it quite an entertaining game. The thing with Wenger at the end was hilarious, watching him dancing around in celebration then realising it was offside was priceless.

Russ 30-08-2009 11:15
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It has to be said there's nothing more satisfying than beating Arsenal when they've outplayed us :D

yesman 30-08-2009 11:27
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Sneijder, like United's masterful Paul Scholes, can play in the center midfield or as a second striker, as the Englishman did partnering Ruud van Nistelrooy prior to Louis Saha's arrival at the club, a period during which United played arguably their best football in this decade.

Paul Scholes built his reputation on long-range thunderbolts and late runs into the box, knifing into the area to score cheeky headers or little volleys; Sneidjer is no different.
Get Him

punky 30-08-2009 12:26
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You're a bit late, he's already moved to Inter

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BTW, if I ever see Lee Bowyer I will ring his ****ing neck.

yesman 30-08-2009 12:51
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Originally Posted by punky (Post 34863810)
You're a bit late, he's already moved to Inter[COLOR="Silver"]
Yes, I found that out after I had posted :mad:

kingbuxton 30-08-2009 18:06
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Then Fergie can sit and count the £80Mill and wonder why he didn't splash £15 of it on Wesley Sneijder
I already said it, and have been saying it for about six weeks. He is a great player, and at that price an absolute steal. Van Der Vaart, we now have 48 hours to go get him, he will cost even less than £15Mill, has a solid 1 in 4 at International level and is quoted as wanting to play in the Prem.

Hoping Nani, Anderson and Gibson will hit potential. Hoping Hargreaves will come back to anything like he was, it's one too many for me. As good as Carrick is and as improved as Fletch is, they wont get 10 goals between them.

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In fact - 123 goals from 272 appearances is superb from a Midfielder. We would be insane to pass on him. Anyone got Fergies Email?

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I was wrong on Wenger - he is going to get an apology.

Matty_ 30-08-2009 20:34
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Not a bad result for City, will take the 3 points but at times we looked a bit of a shambles. Tevez did a lot of running around but never looked like doing much, Ade looks hungry for now and Barry looked solid.
Still, thank goodness for Shay or more so that Nugent is not very good! How he ever played for England is beyond me...
The best thing is we`ve now equaled the number of away games we won in all of last season so that`s a start, much sterner tests to come though.

Shadow Demon UK 01-09-2009 17:01
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"I can only ask whether someone did it deliberately on the eve of the game with England. I can only ask myself whether it is a coincidence or not."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/8231105.stm

Is this statement, from the president of the Croatian FA, the most ridiculous ever? What an accusation to make, especially as it was Modric making the tackle on Bowyer. Managers get fined/banned for saying thing's like this, hopefully this idiot gets the same sort of treatment.

Matty_ 01-09-2009 18:32
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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34865031)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/8231105.stm

Is this statement, from the president of the Croatian FA, the most ridiculous ever? What an accusation to make, especially as it was Modric making the tackle on Bowyer. Managers get fined/banned for saying thing's like this, hopefully this idiot gets the same sort of treatment.
Gotta agree, saw it flash up on Sky news and thought "What the", he probably thinks man didn`t go to the moon as well :D

Kymmy 01-09-2009 20:40
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...pe/8232544.stm

Two match ban for the diving offence by Eduardo

(sorry if it's already been posted)

TheDaddy 01-09-2009 21:52
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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34865213)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...pe/8232544.stm

Two match ban for the diving offence by Eduardo

(sorry if it's already been posted)
Presumably this new rule will be used against all future trangressors, all of a sudden the money Madrid invested in Ronaldo doesn't look such a wise move

Shadow Demon UK 01-09-2009 22:06
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34865268)
Presumably this new rule will be used against all future trangressors, all of a sudden the money Madrid invested in Ronaldo doesn't look such a wise move
You say that as if he constantly dives every match. I can't remember too many occasions last season, or the season before of him diving like Eduardo did.

Personally, i think it's a ridiculous ruling and way over the top, they're just using him as a scape goat and are going to cause more problems in the long run. What annoys me even more is that UEFA are prepared to review and ban a player but wouldn't review and rescind a card last season with Fletcher.

kingbuxton 01-09-2009 23:10
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I can't remember too many occasions last season, or the season before of him diving like Eduardo did
I think it was very easy to get on Ronnies back at times, not to say he didn't make a rod for his own back, but he really tried to clean it up for a couple of seasons, and he took some hits for it, amazed he never got injured.

The Eduardo thing is insane, yes, it was a cronic dive, and I have nothing against a two match ban as long as they are setting a standard that they will stick to. I can't wait for the ECL opening games now. The issue they have here is it is a ban that has come off the back of reviewing the tapes. So now every dubious decision, specifically ones that lead to sendings off and goals, will have to be reviewed.

I dunno if this was something that was planned and he is the unlucky sod to be first or if it just another part in the Balatter/Platini "We Are Sick Of English Teams Doing Well In Europe" ethos..........

Damien 02-09-2009 00:22
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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34865275)
You say that as if he constantly dives every match. I can't remember too many occasions last season, or the season before of him diving like Eduardo did.
I think part of Eduardo's dive is that he was so bad at it. Ideally the players want to go down after some content has been made. Ronaldo did dive quite a bit, sometimes blatantly. I don't know if he ever did one in Europe but you can bet Uefa wanted to keep out of it, not out of some sort of United favouritism, but just because Eduardo is only the second player ever to be punished by Uefa for diving. They just don't do it.

Which makes this case all the more confusing. Why single out one player, is he really only the second player to get away with diving? No. There were dives in the Europa League matches the day after, didn't Ashley Young dive? Is Uefa investigating? No.

So there is no consistency. The only thing I can think of was the media uproar over the dive meant Uefa needed to appear to be doing something.

SB_07 02-09-2009 03:26
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Been in America for a week, would anyone be so kind as to give me a run down of the transfers? =)

Shadow Demon UK 02-09-2009 12:48
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34865396)
I think part of Eduardo's dive is that he was so bad at it. Ideally the players want to go down after some content has been made. Ronaldo did dive quite a bit, sometimes blatantly. I don't know if he ever did one in Europe but you can bet Uefa wanted to keep out of it, not out of some sort of United favouritism, but just because Eduardo is only the second player ever to be punished by Uefa for diving. They just don't do it.

Which makes this case all the more confusing. Why single out one player, is he really only the second player to get away with diving? No. There were dives in the Europa League matches the day after, didn't Ashley Young dive? Is Uefa investigating? No.

So there is no consistency. The only thing I can think of was the media uproar over the dive meant Uefa needed to appear to be doing something.
I cannot remember one time Ronaldo blatantly dived last season or the season before, not one anywhere near as blatant as Eduardo's or Eboue's. His reputation goes before him with the vast majority of people even though he has cut it out of his game. He did/does go down easily, which is why i said in my last post UEFA have caused more problems in the long run. When does going down become a dive? Ronaldo goes down easily after contact from other players, but can you ban someone who has had contact from another player? Can you ban someone for jumping away from a tackle with little or no contact? If they're going to ban players for these things then nearly every player will be banned because they all do it.

Damien 02-09-2009 15:41
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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34865540)
I cannot remember one time Ronaldo blatantly dived last season or the season before, not one anywhere near as blatant as Eduardo's or Eboue's. His reputation goes before him with the vast majority of people even though he has cut it out of his game. He did/does go down easily, which is why i said in my last post UEFA have caused more problems in the long run. When does going down become a dive? Ronaldo goes down easily after contact from other players, but can you ban someone who has had contact from another player? Can you ban someone for jumping away from a tackle with little or no contact? If they're going to ban players for these things then nearly every player will be banned because they all do it.
I can't remember much from last season to be fair, but I didn't watch United a lot last season either. The one I do remember was in the CF semi-final. There was minimal contact, and he stays up for a bit before noticing too many Arsenal players around him and he goes down. Credit to the ref, he didn't give it. (Actually kinda similar to Eboue's dive)

My point is not to single out Ronaldo though, it was the point out that he would very unlikely to ever be official called a diver in the way Eduardo was. Eduardo doesn't have a history of it, which is way I consider it unfair. If ever diver was given the same treatment then I am all for it.

What I am really asking is what causes Uefa to intervene?

Arthurgray50@blu 02-09-2009 18:02
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I think ANY player who dives in the box, INSTANT RED, this is blatant cheating and unfair on the opposition.

Niles Crane 03-09-2009 01:45
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Not for the faint hearted, this is perhaps the worst tackle and leg break i've ever seen. The guy even had the nerve to protest his innocence!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXubI41mk90

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Football: Belgians in uproar over ankle-crunching tackle
Standard Liege player Axel Witsel became highly unpopular with football fans on Sunday after putting Anderlecht's Marcin Wasilewski in hospital with a double ankle fracture.

Wasilewski, 29, underwent an operation after the 1-1 league draw on Sunday to reduce the fracture but, with an injury similar to the horrific one suffered by Arsenal's Eduardo in February 2008, he is expected to go under the knife again next week.

His club Anderlecht said the defender could be out for a year, meaning he will miss the World Cup finals if Poland qualifies.

http://www.expatica.com/be/news/belg...e-_55900.html#

moaningmags 03-09-2009 02:10
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Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 34866056)
Not for the faint hearted, this is perhaps the worst tackle and leg break i've ever seen. The guy even had the nerve to protest his innocence!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXubI41mk90
OMG That looks horrendous.

TheDaddy 03-09-2009 04:33
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Originally Posted by SB_07 (Post 34865429)
Been in America for a week, would anyone be so kind as to give me a run down of the transfers? =)
Here you go, this full windows worth

Derek 03-09-2009 10:17
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Originally Posted by moaningmags (Post 34866059)
OMG That looks horrendous.
He won't be on strictly come dancing this year thats for sure. :shocked: :sick:

punky 03-09-2009 10:30
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Witsel has been banned for 10 games, which is shockingly lenient considering it was deliberate. There has been bad blood between them for over a year and the challenge was a revenge one.

Witsel is also banned for 5 matches by UEFA for another horrific tackle he did on someone else. The guy's a lunatic.

Arthurgray50@blu 03-09-2009 12:04
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This is why, l get so incensed when people say to me about players and managers argue with the referee about these tackles, Some manager admitted last night on Tv that some managers will tell a player ' to take him out', the worst tackle l have ever seen, and the player got away with it and that was Vinny Jones. Referee's have a hard job as it is, BUT these sort of tackles have to stop, and we see each week, where players go for the back of the legs etc. Straight red, and BANNED for the enitire time the other player is out for.

Damien 03-09-2009 12:15
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34866132)
This is why, l get so incensed when people say to me about players and managers argue with the referee about these tackles, Some manager admitted last night on Tv that some managers will tell a player ' to take him out', the worst tackle l have ever seen, and the player got away with it and that was Vinny Jones. Referee's have a hard job as it is, BUT these sort of tackles have to stop, and we see each week, where players go for the back of the legs etc. Straight red, and BANNED for the enitire time the other player is out for.
Which Manager said he asked his players to injure the opposition

LondonRoad 03-09-2009 12:19
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34866135)
Which Manager said he asked his players to injure the opposition
He says the manager asked his player to take one of the opposition out. Perhaps they went for a nice meal, took in a movie then onto a nightclub :D

It's just Arthut's misinterpretation. that's gurranteed. ;)

Shadow Demon UK 03-09-2009 14:57
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Fifa ban Chelsea from signing any new players for next two transfer windows for breach of rules
Headline on SSN. Never heard of this happening before, apparently it's to do with breaking a contract when signing Gael Kakuta from Lens.

Edit - Heres the link http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...535793,00.html

Damien 03-09-2009 15:02
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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34866223)
Headline on SSN. Never heard of this happening before, apparently it's to do with breaking a contract when signing Gael Kakuta from Lens.

Edit - Heres the link http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...535793,00.html
They'll miss next summers window as well! They can't buy until next Christmas! :erm: I hope this was a serious rule they breached, if it's something small then I shall be further annoyed with Fifa and Uefa :shocked:

Again, Does anyone think this would have been done if it were European Football's Darlings Real Madrid?

I mean don't get me wrong, this was an awful thing to do and the question of big clubs poaching young players from the smaller ones in a way designed to reduce the compensation given to those small clubs is awfully poor practise when you consider the investment the smaller clubs put into them.

Russ 03-09-2009 16:46
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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34866223)
Headline on SSN. Never heard of this happening before, apparently it's to do with breaking a contract when signing Gael Kakuta from Lens.

Edit - Heres the link http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...535793,00.html
I almost spat my tea out laughing at that :D

Poor old Roman, not much chance of buying the Premiership now :spin:

SB_07 03-09-2009 17:04
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Chelolsea.

punky 03-09-2009 17:24
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As a Spurs fan I don't really have any sympathy for Frankie-boy's transfer antics but i'm starting to wonder if Fifa really are trying to hit English clubs unfairly.

First Eduardo. I agreed with the punishment but the way they went about it was completely cack-handed and doesn't seem to be proportionate across all the leagues. And now an unprecedented punishment for a very predecented infringement. Maybe the punishment was so severe because of the Cashley Cole tapping up.

That said i'd be surprised if the punishment isn't largely overturned. Same happened with Spurs when we were found guilty of financial irregularities due to a previous chairman. We had a 12 point deduction and FA cup ban successfully overturned.

Saaf_laandon_mo 03-09-2009 17:28
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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34866286)
I almost spat my tea out laughing at that :D

Poor old Roman, not much chance of buying the Premiership now :spin:
I don't think he'll have bought it this season, having only spent 20 million or so in the summer.

Shadow Demon UK 03-09-2009 18:20
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Originally Posted by punky (Post 34866304)
As a Spurs fan I don't really have any sympathy for Frankie-boy's transfer antics but i'm starting to wonder if Fifa really are trying to hit English clubs unfairly.

FIFA gave the same punishment to Roma not long ago for something similar so it's not really hitting English clubs unfairly. Roma appealed and it got cut to one transfer window, which i expect will happpen with Chelsea.

iadom 03-09-2009 18:31
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Chelski have previous in underhand dealings, Essien and Mikel are two that come to mind.

Damien 03-09-2009 18:39
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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 34866326)
Chelski have previous in underhand dealings, Essien and Mikel are two that come to mind.
Ashley Cole as well.

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Originally Posted by punky (Post 34866304)
As a Spurs fan I don't really have any sympathy for Frankie-boy's transfer antics but i'm starting to wonder if Fifa really are trying to hit English clubs unfairly.

First Eduardo. I agreed with the punishment but the way they went about it was completely cack-handed and doesn't seem to be proportionate across all the leagues. And now an unprecedented punishment for a very predecented infringement. Maybe the punishment was so severe because of the Cashley Cole tapping up.

That said i'd be surprised if the punishment isn't largely overturned. Same happened with Spurs when we were found guilty of financial irregularities due to a previous chairman. We had a 12 point deduction and FA cup ban successfully overturned.
Good points. I would rep if I could, but I can't. ;)

Arthurgray50@blu 03-09-2009 21:47
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The manager was on Tv yesterday and he was in charge of a British club, thats all l am saying on the matter.:)

sherer 04-09-2009 09:43
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there was also a Belgium club who got done for the same thing, although it was appealed and so they can still sign players at the moment.

Man U have done this in the past too and so have most of the other top clubs

Kymmy 04-09-2009 09:46
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Yep, there's rumours that Man.U might be investigated for an illegal approach for Le Harve youngster Paul Pogba.

Damien 04-09-2009 09:50
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Hope Arsenal aren't suspected of doing this. Better yet I hope they haven't ever done something like this

iadom 04-09-2009 10:35
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34866654)
Hope Arsenal aren't suspected of doing this. Better yet I hope they haven't ever done something like this
Cough, Fabregas.;)

Damien 04-09-2009 10:38
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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 34866691)
Cough, Fabregas.;)
Pretty sure we signed him legally..Couldn't find anything on a Google search. Still Barcelona aren't complaining (Although they want him back) so meh.

Saaf_laandon_mo 04-09-2009 10:47
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Am I right in thinking FIFA's stance only covers youth signings?

sherer 04-09-2009 10:55
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not sure on the specifics but i'm sure Chelsea prob signed this player legally too. What they do and Man U do this all the time too is bring the player and their parents over when they are 15, put them up in a posh hotel, take them to a game, introduce them to the team and Fergie etc etc offer the parents some money and then the player leaves one smaller club to sign for a bigger club when they reach 16 and can sign the papers.

Damien 04-09-2009 11:11
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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34866707)
not sure on the specifics but i'm sure Chelsea prob signed this player legally too. What they do and Man U do this all the time too is bring the player and their parents over when they are 15, put them up in a posh hotel, take them to a game, introduce them to the team and Fergie etc etc offer the parents some money and then the player leaves one smaller club to sign for a bigger club when they reach 16 and can sign the papers.
I am not sure of the specifics either but apparently they deliberately encouraged the player to break his contract in order to sign him. What United do isn't illegal (as far as I know) just unpopular because United do it in order to bypass the club and avoid paying them any real compensation.

Shadow Demon UK 04-09-2009 13:19
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34866713)
I am not sure of the specifics either but apparently they deliberately encouraged the player to break his contract in order to sign him. What United do isn't illegal (as far as I know) just unpopular because United do it in order to bypass the club and avoid paying them any real compensation.

When you say "United" i take it you mean every big club in Europe? ;)

How have FIFA proven that Chelsea have forced him to leave the club anyway? I doubt the player or his agent have told FIFA. It's going to be the club they got him from probably, it seems FIFA have made a ruling going by one side of the story, the side of the club that are annoyed the've lost a player for little money.

sherer 04-09-2009 14:04
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like I said I don't think any clubs are actually doing anything illegal but they come in and scout these players then pay the parents a fee and wave a big contract under the players nose so he signs for them instead of a small local club where he lives. The club who has trained him since 11 then misses out on the player and they have wasted all the money they have invested.

UEFA want to ban transfers for players under 17 \ 18 yo which will stop some of this happening, although that won't cover Africa and all the players that come from there

Shadow Demon UK 04-09-2009 15:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34866818)
like I said I don't think any clubs are actually doing anything illegal but they come in and scout these players then pay the parents a fee and wave a big contract under the players nose so he signs for them instead of a small local club where he lives. The club who has trained him since 11 then misses out on the player and they have wasted all the money they have invested.

UEFA want to ban transfers for players under 17 \ 18 yo which will stop some of this happening, although that won't cover Africa and all the players that come from there

The problem , as far as i'm aware, is that English clubs can give players a proffesional contract at a younger age compared to other European countries. We did it with Macheda and another young Italian called Petrucci, apparently the club got his Dad a job as a gardener in England so he would sign for us. Neither were under contract in Italy so were free to move, United did nothing wrong because of that.

I don't think banning transfers for players under 18 is the right way to go, i think there should be a set age where a player can sign a proffesional contract across Europe, so a club can still buy 17/18 year olds, but will have to pay what they're worth, rather than getting them for free.

TheDaddy 04-09-2009 18:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34866795)
When you say "United" i take it you mean every big club in Europe? ;)

How have FIFA proven that Chelsea have forced him to leave the club anyway? I doubt the player or his agent have told FIFA. It's going to be the club they got him from probably, it seems FIFA have made a ruling going by one side of the story, the side of the club that are annoyed the've lost a player for little money.
The burdon is and always has been with the accused with FIFA due to the fact the organisation was formed in Paris by a Frenchman and circumstantially they are right, the player had a contract and breached it to join another club, Chelsea didn't have to sign him knowing those circumstances and that's not even mentioning any financial inducements they surely offered.

They have been at it for years and are getting what they deserve, it's too easy for them just to compensate clubs like they have in the past Mikel, Woods, Tawano (sp) and Profit (didn't actually sign IIRC) spring to mind, the latter whom they were actually caught doing on tape I might add.

Glad they are showing teeth now, it just seemed so pointless for clubs like Chelsea to be stealing these kids, most never seem to get near the first teams anyway.

Moving on wonder what'll happen about Pogba, this is a can of worms that needed opening long ago.

Arthurgray50@blu 04-09-2009 19:05
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Well l hope that United get done for poaching Berbatov, we as Spurs fans new he was on his way to City, before Fergie got his oar in.

dev 04-09-2009 19:29
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
He never wanted to go to City even though they offered more, he wanted CL football and that was only possible with United.

Arthurgray50@blu 04-09-2009 22:44
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Hi Dev, Daniel Levy gave Berba permission ONLY to talk to City, and he went loopy when he found out what Fergie was doing behing the back door, to me that is 'tapping' which is similar to the Chelsea situation- l dare any authority to take on Fegie.

TheDaddy 05-09-2009 08:37
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34867115)
Hi Dev, Daniel Levy gave Berba permission ONLY to talk to City, and he went loopy when he found out what Fergie was doing behing the back door, to me that is 'tapping' which is similar to the Chelsea situation- l dare any authority to take on Fegie.
No not similar at all, Berbatov didn't break his contract, nor is he a child and don't think Fergie or even Fegie is above FIFA's wrath, FIFA exec's are the only people in football that are, with them the brown envelope is still king.

arcamalpha2004 05-09-2009 09:44
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34867115)
Hi Dev, Daniel Levy gave Berba permission ONLY to talk to City, and he went loopy when he found out what Fergie was doing behing the back door, to me that is 'tapping' which is similar to the Chelsea situation- l dare any authority to take on Fegie.
This one seemed strange to me Arthur.
We had a player, well tottenham had a player who was under contract, when Berbatov lands at the airport he is met by Ferguson who offers to buy him a big mac and ask to look at his holiday snaps ;)
It is seen as nothing wrong going on by some quarters, mainly by United who gain to sign the player.
But Real Madrid do a similar thing with Ronaldo, and Uniteds legal team come up with this idea that because Ronaldo is under contract there is nothing for the fans to worry about, that ronaldo is " their boy ".
Totally baffles me I admit, better go back to playing ollies I think.

Damien 05-09-2009 18:41
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...-Ferguson.html

I think Ferguson thinks we're genuine threats :D

punky 05-09-2009 19:05
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
John Terry says that England's proud reputation means you won't catch them diving.

And then Rooney dives and wins a penalty.

You can't script this stuff.

Damien 05-09-2009 19:08
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34867496)
John Terry says that England's proud reputation means you won't catch them diving.

And then Rooney dives and wins a penalty.

You can't script this stuff.
He won't get the treatment Eduardo got though, No massive press outrage. :dozey:

Kymmy 05-09-2009 19:12
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Yep, thought of this thread the instant they won the penalty :D

danielf 05-09-2009 19:14
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34867496)
John Terry says that England's proud reputation means you won't catch them diving.

And then Rooney dives and wins a penalty.

You can't script this stuff.
I was just thinking that :D

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle6822592.ece

SB_07 05-09-2009 19:18
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Argh i missed it! Rooney dived? lol he was in the news the other day saying he never dives....which is a joke anyway.

punky 05-09-2009 19:54
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To be fair to Rooney, it wasn't a dive so much as a slip, but the way he tried to claim for a penalty whilst he was down was deceitful IMO.

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Great goal by Spurs... Erm, I mean England :D

Surely the two must start on wednesday?

Shadow Demon UK 05-09-2009 20:24
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I didn't think he dived at all. Just because someone goes down doesn't mean they have dived.

Damien 05-09-2009 20:27
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34867541)
I didn't think he dived at all. Just because someone goes down doesn't mean they have dived.
That's what people will say, they'll wouldn't about Foreign players though. He sure appealed for the penalty as well.

kingbuxton 05-09-2009 22:12
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Quote:
Well l hope that United get done for poaching Berbatov, we as Spurs fans new he was on his way to City, before Fergie got his oar in.
Give me a break. UTD had been after Berbatov when he was at Leverkusen. What the Hell have City got to do with it? Negotiations where almost done by the time that prat at City landed and put a bid in on every player in Europe to try and stamp his authority on the "Rich Kids That Own A Football Club" Club. Levy was trying to play in the big boys sandpit at that point, tried to screw UTD over and make a few extra Millions. Berbatov knew where he wanted to go. Levy had so much evidence he didn't bother to do anything with it. I have evidence City tapped Tevez up, I could show you, but I don't want to.

Quote:
I think Ferguson thinks we're genuine threats
From what I can tell, Ferguson comments, he is scared of the opposition. Ferguson doesn't comment, he is scared of the opposition.

Damien 05-09-2009 22:58
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34867623)
From what I can tell, Ferguson comments, he is scared of the opposition. Ferguson doesn't comment, he is scared of the opposition.
He tends in engage in mind games with the manager(s?) who he sees as his rivals for the title. Wenger, Mourinho, and last year Benetiz. Wenger dealt with it well in the past, Mourinho always dealt with it well and continues to play mind games with Fergie if he can. Benetiz went crazy last year, that was fun to watch.

kingbuxton 05-09-2009 23:06
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Quote:
He tends in engage in mind games with the manager(s)
I have seen enough Ferguson Press Conferences on MUTV to know that what he says, compared to what ends up in the Press, is to be taken with a pinch of salt. Int weekend, so no Press Conf this Friday, but I will guess that what he said about Eduardo, when taken in context with what he was asked, and then taking his full comment not a sound bite, wont seem quite so "Anti Eduardo" "Anti Arsenal" "Anti Wenger"

The Press are a Joke, they ask a question to get a certain quote, context means nothing to them. But when I go on the www and I see comments on certain Football sites, the way that some people are oh so easily led, it's another 10,000,000 20p in the pockets of the papers, that's all that counts these days. That's not to say Ferguson is a Saint, but most of it is bull.

yesman 05-09-2009 23:19
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I seem to remember that when United eventually got Berbatov, that part of the deal rested upon Levy dropping his so called legal action *(over their supposed illegal pursuit of Berbatov)*, how true this was I have no idea, I seem to remember reading it in a tabloid newspaper, this may have been the truth, iam not sure, so make up your own mind.

The thing that springs to mind here, for me anyway is, Murdoch broadcasts the football, then his tabloid media emporium spreads all the gossip, whether it be true or not,* to incite the masses, which in turn keeps everyone interested supposedly, it goes hand in hand, and I for one am bloody fed up with it.

kingbuxton 06-09-2009 16:18
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Quote:
I seem to remember that when United eventually got Berbatov, that part of the deal rested upon Levy dropping his so called legal action
I remember that being mentioned. Is that not the same as someone knowing you commited a crime, but saying nothing if you give them money? This isn't the World of International Crime, but if a rule had been breached, then UTD should have been punished, and if he kept the evidence in reciept of a bit of extra cash........surely that can't be right. More paper talk for me, he had nothing.

Mostly when you put a bid in and it isn't accepted that is that, once the player decides to leave, what can you do, that is where Spurs ended up. Couldn't keep him and wanted more money, couldn't keep him meant we didn't have to up our offer, so he offered him to City out of spite, and we ended up paying 5Mill more that we needed to.

I think that is why Ferguson met him at the airport, a show of how serious we wanted him, just in case City decided to send a fleet of Limos to intercept him, City where desperate at that point (or the owner was) to flex his cash muscle.

Shadow Demon UK 06-09-2009 23:38
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2009/09/30.jpg


:)

kingbuxton 06-09-2009 23:47
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Classic. They are the only club that could get a Sugar Daddy and end up with everyone laughing at them. People disliked Abramovich for it, but this lot are that rich kid we all knew at School, the one that nobody liked, x10. Martyn, from The Simpsons, with his Swimming Pool. His birthday party would have a live band and gifts n food n lasers, and everyone would go, but the day after in School, kids still laughed at him. Biggest joke in football and always will be, or maybe I am scared of them?

If Eto and Terry had joined, I would have taken notice, all they have signed is rejects and money grabbers, they can paint it however they want. Tevez turned into a traitor, he can mouth off all he wants. Adebayor was touted all over (inc UTD). Barry wanted to Liverpool for ECL football, why is he at City? Lescott is the runner up to Terry, he is better than Ferdinand LOL, I nearly passed out laughing, he isn't better than Evans.

Damien 07-09-2009 09:56
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Adebayor will start to be lazy once he no longer feels the need to make a good start to a new club and/or Man City go though a bad patch and he feels success won't happen that season.

---------- Post added at 08:56 ---------- Previous post was at 08:54 ----------

Quote:
Classic. They are the only club that could get a Sugar Daddy and end up with everyone laughing at them. People disliked Abramovich for it, but this lot are that rich kid we all knew at School, the one that nobody liked, x10. Martyn, from The Simpsons, with his Swimming Pool. His birthday party would have a live band and gifts n food n lasers, and everyone would go, but the day after in School, kids still laughed at him. Biggest joke in football and always will be, or maybe I am scared of them?
Chelsea were already a bigger club than Man City were. Also as bad as Abramovich was he never spent this kind of money, effectively buying a completely new team.

sherer 07-09-2009 10:25
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I have to say the TV pundits just seem to be going with the current trend. If the England match had been played a few weeks ago, before the Arsenal - Celtic game, then all the TV people would replay it and say there was slight contact and a def pen. As the papers are now saying diving is bad they are having a go at Rooney as that is the flavour of the month.

I would prefer it if instead of looking at whether or not there was contact, they looked at whether there was intent to play and ball or just perform a foul, if a keeper rushes out and goes for the ball and there is contact that shouldn't be a pen, if they rush out and aim to trip a player up then it should. No one should be punished for playing football

Russ 07-09-2009 10:30
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34868365)
Chelsea were already a bigger club than Man City were.
Only slightly. I'd say the biggest difference was the players they already had such as Lampard, Terry etc

The problem with City's image is they have lived for so long in the massive shadow of United that the only way the takeover will be considered successful is if they out-do the red half of Manchester. I don't see that happening for a long time, if at all.

Damien 07-09-2009 10:43
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34868373)
I have to say the TV pundits just seem to be going with the current trend. If the England match had been played a few weeks ago, before the Arsenal - Celtic game, then all the TV people would replay it and say there was slight contact and a def pen. As the papers are now saying diving is bad they are having a go at Rooney as that is the flavour of the month.
They would have said it was a definite penalty because he is a England player and he was playing for England at the time. Sorry but England has a double standard when it's a foreign player diving compared to an English one. You right pre-Celtic they would have dodged the issue or said it was a penalty, they would have been outraged if the opposition did the same thing. This is not because they are following the popular mood, The British Press always feign outrage at diving, rather they are worried about the comparisons with their treatment of Eduardo. Wenger said that the British press react differently if it were Rooney and he is right.

Now they are saying it wasn't a dive but instead of saying it was a definite pen they are saying it wasn't. However Rooney still appealed for the penalty in an attempt to deceive the ref, amounts to the same thing.

Matty_ 07-09-2009 14:13
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34868266)
Quote:
kingbuxton
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
Classic. They are the only club that could get a Sugar Daddy and end up with everyone laughing at them. People disliked Abramovich for it, but this lot are that rich kid we all knew at School, the one that nobody liked, x10. Martyn, from The Simpsons, with his Swimming Pool. His birthday party would have a live band and gifts n food n lasers, and everyone would go, but the day after in School, kids still laughed at him. Biggest joke in football and always will be, or maybe I am scared of them?

If Eto and Terry had joined, I would have taken notice, all they have signed is rejects and money grabbers, they can paint it however they want. Tevez turned into a traitor, he can mouth off all he wants. Adebayor was touted all over (inc UTD). Barry wanted to Liverpool for ECL football, why is he at City? Lescott is the runner up to Terry, he is better than Ferdinand LOL, I nearly passed out laughing, he isn't better than Evans.
You really don`t get it do you :p:

p.s. I`d much rather have City`s owners in charge than the Glazers or them two at Liverpool who hate each other. If there is a supporter of any football club who says they don`t wish that some loaded benefactor comes in and splashes the cash on players, well :confused:

Damien 07-09-2009 14:20
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matty_ (Post 34868472)
You really don`t get it do you :p:

p.s. I`d much rather have City`s owners in charge than the Glazers or them two at Liverpool who hate each other. If there is a supporter of any football club who says they don`t wish that some loaded benefactor comes in and splashes the cash on players, well :confused:
I'ld rather have someone like the older parts of the board at Arsenal, at least they have ensured economic stability at the club for years to come. The top clubs earn a lot of money and some of them are further pushing the limits of their spending. I can't see how it will recouped unless the owners start drastically limiting the budget and selling players. So they will have to write it off and what happens when Chelsea and Cities owners don't want to run the club anymore? No one will want to inherit a loss making club and continue to fund it out of their personal income.

Shadow Demon UK 07-09-2009 14:30
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
The bit that made me laugh most about the plate ad was the price, only £19.76, hahaha classic.

Matty_ 07-09-2009 18:19
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34868475)
I'ld rather have someone like the older parts of the board at Arsenal, at least they have ensured economic stability at the club for years to come. The top clubs earn a lot of money and some of them are further pushing the limits of their spending. I can't see how it will recouped unless the owners start drastically limiting the budget and selling players. So they will have to write it off and what happens when Chelsea and Cities owners don't want to run the club anymore? No one will want to inherit a loss making club and continue to fund it out of their personal income.
I agree with you there, the Arsenal board do seem to have no desire to take the club into massive debt and do seem very football savie, even Lady Bracewell-Smyth fancy pants or whatever her name is.
Things did look a bit dodgy when Wengers mate Davd Dein left but it seems to have settled down now. Good luck to em i say.
City`s owners do seem to be in it for the long haul, i mean the guy Mansour is worth at least £15 Billion and his family is worth over £500 Billion, he even made ~£1.5 Billion investing in Barclays shares during the `crisis`. Should pay the wages for a few years :p:
The amounts we relate too are chicken feed for them, and they`ve still got plenty of that black sticky stuff under there feet.

Quote:
Shadow Demon UK
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
The bit that made me laugh most about the plate ad was the price, only £19.76, hahaha classic.
I loved the "Free Stephen Ireland party wig" bit :D

Plus we are a `dog`s dinner of a club`, and we know it, just it`s now a very well fed dog.....

yesman 07-09-2009 18:50
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Man Utd threaten to sue Le Havre

Quote:
Manchester United say they will take legal action against Le Havre unless they stop making allegations about the transfer of 16-year-old Paul Pogba. The French club have this week repeated claims that United offered financial inducements to Pogba's family in order to lure the teenager to Old Trafford.
But United are satisfied the transfer was completed within Fifa guidelines.
"Manchester United is ready to defend any claim brought against it by Le Havre at Fifa," said a club statement.
:erm:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/8242430.stm

Damien 07-09-2009 20:32
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
That might stop it, Last thing Le Havre needs is to be sued!

Shadow Demon UK 08-09-2009 01:24
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Liverpool defender Jamie Carragher insists the Anfield club are not worried about the threat posed by Manchester City and Spurs.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...cesetters.html


Surely City and Spurs are a threat to Liverpools 4th place? :)

Damien 08-09-2009 09:54
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
I missed this story but:
Quote:
Uefa has risked antagonising Arsenal further by confirming that there are no plans to institute a regular programme of video referral for matches under its jurisdiction or issue an anti-diving directive in the light of the Eduardo da Silva controversy.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle6819170.ece

So there are no plans to be consistent with Uefa's decision to retrospectively punish divers. They seem to have singled out Arsenal and then said they will not do this for other players.

Russ 08-09-2009 10:11
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
:shrug:

Sounds fair to me.

punky 08-09-2009 10:23
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34868864)
I missed this story but:


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle6819170.ece


So there are no plans to be consistent with Uefa's decision to retrospectively punish divers. They seem to have singled out Arsenal and then said they will not do this for other players.
It does look that way. Noone can argue about the punishment (its clearly written in the rules) but the way that it has been administered has been a shambles IMO.

The absolute worse thing that UEFA could have done would be to victimise Arsenal and that looks like that's what they are doing.

Damien 08-09-2009 10:44
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34868874)
:shrug:

Sounds fair to me.
Why? I can't see how it's fair at all to make Arsenal and Eduardo a special case and then to say you won't do it again. Especially when the player involved has not got a history of diving and it's not the worse diver ever. They should be consistent.

Russ 08-09-2009 10:46
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
It's my natural dislike of Arsenal :D

punky 08-09-2009 11:49
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Well, well, well.... Citeh have been reported to Fifa over tapping up

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ty/8243446.stm

Just as well they've bought so many players :erm:

Kymmy 08-09-2009 11:52
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Just read it, ever get the feeling though that it's the following line from the previous chelsea report especially for the smaller continental clubs that's driving these claims

Quote:
Chelsea are also liable over Kakuta's fine, and they also will have to pay Lens £113,000 in compensation.

Shadow Demon UK 08-09-2009 12:49
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34868908)
Well, well, well.... Citeh have been reported to Fifa over tapping up

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ty/8243446.stm

Just as well they've bought so many players :erm:

I wonder how long it will be until Sheffield United sue all these clubs for the reason of their relegation? :)

Matty_ 08-09-2009 13:12
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Why does it suddenly seem to be that all these frogs are suddenly croaking very loudly :confused: Anything to do with money, im wonder!

What i find utterly ridiculous is the notion that it is against the "rules" for any player under 16 to sign a formal contract (in France anyway) yet they babble on about a pre-contract agreement saying if the lad does this and that then he`s ours. Is that not some form of contract which is theoretically not allowed!
Are they not breaking there own rules by having these arrangements.

I`m sure we are about to see many more of these cases come out and i feel the whole debacle is getting completely ridiculous.
If there is no written contract signed by both parties (which your not supposed to do before the player is 16 years old) then what is the problem.
The Chelsea case is a differant kettle of fish and they should rightly be punished but for these other cases it just seems like the directors of these clubs see the chance of making some easy money.
What`s next?

TheDaddy 08-09-2009 13:17
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34868925)
I wonder how long it will be until Sheffield United sue all these clubs for the reason of their relegation? :)
I wouldn't joke about that because as we found out to our cost, eventually they'll find some one barmey enough to believe them

---------- Post added at 12:17 ---------- Previous post was at 12:14 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matty_ (Post 34868933)
Why does it suddenly seem to be that all these frogs are suddenly croaking very loudly :confused: Anything to do with money, im wonder!
Wouldn't have thought so, the amounts they are being compensated with are tiny compared to what the player would be worth once he signs that first pro deal

Arthurgray50@blu 08-09-2009 13:18
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
To me the whole business of 'tapping players' is that the bigs guns of FA, FIFA AND EUFA, have only hit the top of the cake as far as l am concerned, there must be loads of clubs out there, that have 'tapped' a player and get away with it, but there is also the players, that all these clubs can't buy success via the back door.

Matty_ 08-09-2009 13:57
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34868936)
Wouldn't have thought so, the amounts they are being compensated with are tiny compared to what the player would be worth once he signs that first pro deal
I realise that but they haven`t signed any pro deal yet, i`m not saying i agree with this tapping up of young players, the club that guides them through the early days is usually the one to get the least and that cannot be right.

As far as i can tell only Chelsea have breached any rules but it seems as though all the English clubs are being picked on. Does this type of thing not happen with other European clubs?

Arthurgray50@blu 08-09-2009 17:39
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
I think that Sheff Utd, had every reason to sue, the reason the failed was because they are not big enough, where as West Ham are, if should have been West Ham got relegated not United.

TheDaddy 09-09-2009 07:51
Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34869034)
I think that Sheff Utd, had every reason to sue, the reason the failed was because they are not big enough, where as West Ham are, if should have been West Ham got relegated not United.
Why's that then, because Sheff Utd say so? The reason they failed was because they didn't get enough points through the course of the season, not because West Ham broke a rule that was never designed to be breached by a company owning a players rights, it was designed to stop clubs influencing moves, you know like how Sheff Utd stopped Steve Kabba from playing against them when he moved to Watford that same season.

The legal opinion at the time was that a coach and horses could have been driven through that rule and with hindsight it would have been better to have done just that imo.

---------- Post added at 06:51 ---------- Previous post was at 06:46 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matty_ (Post 34868961)
I realise that but they haven`t signed any pro deal yet, i`m not saying i agree with this tapping up of young players, the club that guides them through the early days is usually the one to get the least and that cannot be right.

As far as i can tell only Chelsea have breached any rules but it seems as though all the English clubs are being picked on. Does this type of thing not happen with other European clubs?
If you believe said ''frog'' clubs, the players have agreed some thing very similar to pre contract agreements, which will be the crux of their arguments.

And no it's not just English clubs, Roma were banned for 2 windows to (reduced to 1 on appeal) for poaching Mexes, think a Swiss club has recently received similar sanctions to.


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