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Raistlin 29-04-2009 20:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 34785451)
Masks are for wusses. I'm gonna order one of these:
Looking good there Matt :D

Derek 29-04-2009 20:35
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I'm getting ready for work as well :D

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2009/04/3.jpg

Hugh 29-04-2009 20:36
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Wuss - get yourself one of these...

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2009/04/1.gif

Sir John Luke 29-04-2009 20:50
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Looks like the WHO must be part of the conspiracy (or could it be they are NOT part of the alarmist media?)

"Swine influenza - update 5

29 April 2009 -- The situation continues to evolve rapidly. As of 18:00 GMT, 29 April 2009, nine countries have officially reported 148 cases of swine influenza A/H1N1 infection. The United States Government has reported 91 laboratory confirmed human cases, with one death. Mexico has reported 26 confirmed human cases of infection including seven deaths.

The following countries have reported laboratory confirmed cases with no deaths - Austria (1), Canada (13), Germany (3), Israel (2), New Zealand (3), Spain (4) and the United Kingdom (5).

Further information on the situation will be available on the WHO website on a regular basis.

WHO advises no restriction of regular travel or closure of borders. It is considered prudent for people who are ill to delay international travel and for people developing symptoms following international travel to seek medical attention, in line with guidance from national authorities.

There is also no risk of infection from this virus from consumption of well-cooked pork and pork products. Individuals are advised to wash hands thoroughly with soap and water on a regular basis and should seek medical attention if they develop any symptoms of influenza-like illness.

chaos23 29-04-2009 20:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34785413)
Ahem - note the post above yours...... ;)

And for further clarification, here are the levels defined

"Phase 1 no viruses circulating among animals have been reported to cause infections in humans.

In Phase 2 an animal influenza virus circulating among domesticated or wild animals is known to have caused infection in humans, and is therefore considered a potential pandemic threat.

In Phase 3, an animal or human-animal influenza reassortant virus has caused sporadic cases or small clusters of disease in people, but has not resulted in human-to-human transmission sufficient to sustain community-level outbreaks. Limited human-to-human transmission may occur under some circumstances, for example, when there is close contact between an infected person and an unprotected caregiver. However, limited transmission under such restricted circumstances does not indicate that the virus has gained the level of transmissibility among humans necessary to cause a pandemic.

Phase 4 is characterized by verified human-to-human transmission of an animal or human-animal influenza reassortant virus able to cause “community-level outbreaks.” The ability to cause sustained disease outbreaks in a community marks a significant upwards shift in the risk for a pandemic. Any country that suspects or has verified such an event should urgently consult with WHO so that the situation can be jointly assessed and a decision made by the affected country if implementation of a rapid pandemic containment operation is warranted. Phase 4 indicates a significant increase in risk of a pandemic but does not necessarily mean that a pandemic is a forgone conclusion.

Phase 5 is characterized by human-to-human spread of the virus into at least two countries in one WHO region. While most countries will not be affected at this stage, the declaration of Phase 5 is a strong signal that a pandemic is imminent and that the time to finalize the organization, communication, and implementation of the planned mitigation measures is short.

Phase 6, the pandemic phase, is characterized by community level outbreaks in at least one other country in a different WHO region in addition to the criteria defined in Phase 5. Designation of this phase will indicate that a global pandemic is under way."
Who is this post directed at?

Hugh 29-04-2009 20:57
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The person who had posted the post just before (and after) my post - I was pointing out they had repeated what I had just posted about the Pandemic Level being raised. ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34785396)
Consider yourself unsurprised.....;)

It's Political Correctness gone sane, I tell you!

Linky

"The World Health Organisation (WHO) has said that the most recent research on swine flu has shown that the virus is not caused by pigs. The disease is now being referred to as Mexican flu or "2009 H1N1 flu". The WHO has moved the pandemic alert from four to five, the second highest. The first case of what was called swine flu was reported in Mexico and its first fatality was confirmed there two weeks ago.

The 23-month-old infant who died in the US state of Texas, in the first fatal case from the swine flu outbreak in the United States, was also Mexican. The child came from Mexico to Houston for medical treatment, officials said."
Quote:
Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785409)
They are raising the pandemic level to 5.

homealone 29-04-2009 20:59
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just a reminder that anyone coming out in rashers due to swine flu can get some relief with pork scratchings ;)

Tezcatlipoca 29-04-2009 21:02
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That is a very handy reminder.


Hopefully this snoutbreak will not get worse & lead to an Aporkalypse.

SB_07 29-04-2009 21:08
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So considering the only people to die of this so far are Mexican hispanics (yet it has spread to over 10 other countries now), makes me think about 'the project for a new American century' which stated that they wanted to create race-specific bio weapons.

Go look it up.

The project for a new American century is some scary reading (a plan written up by the Bush administration)

---------- Post added at 22:08 ---------- Previous post was at 22:03 ----------

Just a little piece to back that up:

Quote:
The U.S. military-industrial complex’s interest in race-specific bio-weapons as a tool of warfare is not a paranoid conspiracy theory - it’s outlined in their own public documents.

“Advanced forms of biological warfare that can target specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool,” stated the September 2000 Rebuilding America’s Defenses report released by the Project For A New American Century - the ideological framework of the Bush administration.

In 2006, Armed Forces Journal, a mouthpiece for the military-industrial complex, carried a military strategy plan written by retired Major Ralph Peters which called for “ethnic cleansing” to be instituted in the Middle East so that the region could easily be dominated by the joint interests of Israel and the United States.

homealone 29-04-2009 21:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 34785482)
That is a very handy reminder.


Hopefully this snoutbreak will not get worse & lead to an Aporkalypse.
well what goes rind, comes rind - well until we get boared with it, anyway ... ;)

Tezcatlipoca 29-04-2009 21:10
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I know of PNAC, regarding Iraq etc.

I still consider the whole bioweapon angle to be utter nonsense though.


What's the healthcare system like in Mexico compared to the UK etc? What about the overall public health system? Poverty levels?

Also, the actual number of confirmed deaths is still very low (seven). Do we know anything about the victims who died? They could be the kind of people who would also have been at risk from "normal" seasonal influenza.

chaos23 29-04-2009 21:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SB_07 (Post 34785483)
So considering the only people to die of this so far are Mexican hispanics (yet it has spread to over 10 other countries now), makes me think about 'the project for a new American century' which stated that they wanted to create race-specific bio weapons.

Go look it up.

The project for a new American century is some scary reading (a plan written up by the Bush administration)

---------- Post added at 22:08 ---------- Previous post was at 22:03 ----------

Just a little piece to back that up:
Its wasted on this lot mate. They dont have a clue. Some of them are denying we have a serious problem on our hands.

---------- Post added at 22:12 ---------- Previous post was at 22:10 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 34785493)
I know of PNAC, regarding Iraq etc.

I still consider the whole bioweapon angle to be utter nonsense though.


What's the healthcare system like in Mexico compared to the UK etc? What about the overall public health system? Poverty levels?

Also, the actual number of confirmed deaths is still very low (seven). Do we know anything about the victims who died? They could be the kind of people who would also have been at risk from "normal" seasonal influenza.

Do you deny tht the US government makes bio weapons?


Quote:
The U.S. military-industrial complex’s interest in race-specific bio-weapons as a tool of warfare is not a paranoid conspiracy theory - it’s outlined in their own public documents.

“Advanced forms of biological warfare that can target specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool,” stated the September 2000 Rebuilding America’s Defenses report released by the Project For A New American Century - the ideological framework of the Bush administration.

In 2006, Armed Forces Journal, a mouthpiece for the military-industrial complex, carried a military strategy plan written by retired Major Ralph Peters which called for “ethnic cleansing” to be instituted in the Middle East so that the region could easily be dominated by the joint interests of Israel and the United States.

Hugh 29-04-2009 21:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785494)
Its wasted on this lot mate. They dont have a clue. Some of them are denying we have a serious problem on our hands.
When the facts support your "theory" about the serious problem, we will probably take it seriously - but at the moment, more people have probably died laughing at conspiracy theories than have died from Mexican Flu (imho).

SB_07 29-04-2009 21:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 34785493)
I know of PNAC, regarding Iraq etc.

I still consider the whole bioweapon angle to be utter nonsense though.


What's the healthcare system like in Mexico compared to the UK etc? What about the overall public health system? Poverty levels?

Also, the actual number of confirmed deaths is still very low (seven). Do we know anything about the victims who died? They could be the kind of people who would also have been at risk from "normal" seasonal influenza.
In the area where it started in Mexico probably has pretty poor healthcare BUT it's still pretty strange how non-Mexicans have only really had mild symptoms.

I don't take it as a guarantee that it's been started on purpose but i like to look at it from both sides.

Hugh 29-04-2009 21:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785494)
Its wasted on this lot mate. They dont have a clue. Some of them are denying we have a serious problem on our hands.

---------- Post added at 22:12 ---------- Previous post was at 22:10 ----------




Do you deny tht the US government makes bio weapons?
Boeing and Airbus make planes - does that mean Boeing and Airbus planned and carried out 9/11? :dozey:

chaos23 29-04-2009 21:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34785499)
When the facts support your "theory" about the serious problem, we will probably take it seriously - but at the moment, more people have probably died laughing at conspiracy theories than have died from Mexican Flu (imho).
You just have to go to the WHO website. They say we have a serious problem..:rolleyes: Pandemic level 5. Understand?

SB_07 29-04-2009 21:15
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Alot of it is not a conspiracy theory because it's public knowledge which anyone can read if they bother to take the time to research stuff before calling everyone a crazy person.

chaos23 29-04-2009 21:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34785502)
Boeing and Airbus make planes - does that mean Boeing and Airbus planned and carried out 9/11? :dozey:

You are sounding like a child now. You want to take some of SBs advice.

Hugh 29-04-2009 21:16
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7 people confirmed to have died from it - new definition of "serious" I hadn't come across before - understand?

icestar2 29-04-2009 21:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785494)
Its wasted on this lot mate. They dont have a clue. Some of them are denying we have a serious problem on our hands.
Maybe if almost every post you make was not riddled with some form of a consipracy or other then people would take what you have to say more seriously.

Also if its wasted on us lot then why do you continue to post these constant consipracys ? are you not to now wasting your time to ?

Back to the tpoic at hand. I for one am wondering why the only death's have been mexicans ? Maybe its something in their genetics ? maybe its being combined with something else there ? I dont pretent to have any clue but would be intrested to find out.

Hugh 29-04-2009 21:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785506)
You are sounding like a child now.
Funnily enough, I was taking your argument to a logical conclusion, so that probably doesn't reflect well upon yourself.....:D

chaos23 29-04-2009 21:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by icestar2 (Post 34785508)
Maybe if almost every post you make was not riddled with some form of a consipracy or other then people would take what you have to say more seriously.

Also if its wasted on us lot then why do you continue to post these constant consipracys ? are you not to now wasting your time to ?

Back to the tpoic at hand. I for one am wondering why the only death's have been mexicans ? Maybe its something in their genetics ? maybe its being combined with something else there ? I dont pretent to have any clue but would be intrested to find out.
what are you wasting you time posting about conspiracys for then. :dunce:

Tuftus 29-04-2009 21:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785506)
You are sounding like a child now.
Hmmm... ORLY?

What do the Illuminati have to say then?

chaos23 29-04-2009 21:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34785507)
7 people confirmed to have died from it - new definition of "serious" I hadn't come across before - understand?
You really are wasting my time. You sound like a deluded old women.:D

---------- Post added at 22:21 ---------- Previous post was at 22:20 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34785507)
7 people confirmed to have died from it - new definition of "serious" I hadn't come across before - understand?
I suppose you know better than all of the worlds governments and the World Health Organisation.:rolleyes:

icestar2 29-04-2009 21:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785513)
what are you wasting you time posting about conspiracys for then. :dunce:
I never said I was wasting my time. Your the one who claims that "its wasted on us lot" Also I am trying to post about the topic but you've added consipracys to that topic so why wouldn't I post about it ?

Hugh 29-04-2009 21:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785516)
You really are wasting my time. You sound like a deluded old women.:D

---------- Post added at 22:21 ---------- Previous post was at 22:20 ----------



I suppose you know better than all of the worlds governments and the World Health Organisation.:rolleyes:
Funnily enough, those figures are from the WHO and the Mexican government. BBC

"Mexico: 159 suspected deaths - seven confirmed cases" ; facts - once you've tried them, it's hard to give them up.....;)

From the WHO site
"29 April 2009 --The situation continues to evolve rapidly. As of 18:00 GMT, 29 April 2009, nine countries have officially reported 148 cases of swine influenza A/H1N1 infection. The United States Government has reported 91 laboratory confirmed human cases, with one death. Mexico has reported 26 confirmed human cases of infection including seven deaths.
The following countries have reported laboratory confirmed cases with no deaths - Austria (1), Canada (13), Germany (3), Israel (2), New Zealand (3), Spain (4) and the United Kingdom (5). "

Meanwhile, back on planet reality, an interesting article from today's Times

Sir John Luke 29-04-2009 21:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785516)
I suppose you know better than all of the worlds governments and the World Health Organisation.:rolleyes:
Quite right - it's 8 not 7 (7 in Mexico, 1 in the US). Get your facts right foreverwar :)

Tezcatlipoca 29-04-2009 21:29
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Which of these is the simplest, most logical explanation?

1) A new strain of influenza virus has appeared, which via the natural process of genetic re-assortment includes genes from human, swine, and avian influenza.


2) Big Pharma / NWO / The Military-Industrial Complex / Reptoids / all-of-these have secretly created the H1N1 "Swine Flu"/"Mexican Flu" virus for use as a biological weapon, perhaps for some sort of population control (not very effective then is it!), or to make money selling vaccines, or to do a test run for a later more deadly weapon...

Hugh 29-04-2009 21:30
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Sorry, SJL <my bad>

Tezcatlipoca 29-04-2009 21:31
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Anway, once I've ordered my biological hazmat suit at work tomorrow, I'd better get on to Big Pharma & ask them nicely if they'll let those of us who work in Little Pharma have the Top Secret Vaccine. Don't want to leave it too late.

Hugh 29-04-2009 21:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 34785527)
Anway, once I've ordered my biological hazmat suit at work tomorrow, I'd better get on to Big Pharma & ask them nicely if they'll let those of us who work in Little Pharma have the Top Secret Vaccine. Don't want to leave it too late.
I have already had mine delivered by Black Helicopter® - it sometimes helps being part of the "conspiracy". ;)

chaos23 29-04-2009 21:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34785521)
Funnily enough, those figures are from the WHO and the Mexican government. BBC

"Mexico: 159 suspected deaths - seven confirmed cases" ; facts - once you've tried them, it's hard to give them up.....;)

From the WHO site
"29 April 2009 --The situation continues to evolve rapidly. As of 18:00 GMT, 29 April 2009, nine countries have officially reported 148 cases of swine influenza A/H1N1 infection. The United States Government has reported 91 laboratory confirmed human cases, with one death. Mexico has reported 26 confirmed human cases of infection including seven deaths.
The following countries have reported laboratory confirmed cases with no deaths - Austria (1), Canada (13), Germany (3), Israel (2), New Zealand (3), Spain (4) and the United Kingdom (5). "

Meanwhile, back on planet reality, an interesting article from today's Times
You know full well i wasn't disputing the figures. I was pointing out you inability to see the serious situation we are in, which the WHO have called " a very serious situation".

Tuftus 29-04-2009 21:33
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Anyways, should we not be thinking about how to re populate the planet after the "cull"?

I have my mask I bought at lunch.... ;)

Hugh 29-04-2009 21:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785531)
You know full well i wasn't disputing the figures. I was pointing out you inability to see the serious situation we are in, which the WHO have called " a very serious situation".
I knew full well nothing of the sort - your assumption is incorrect; as you seem to like to muddy the waters, you must understand that confusion can arise.:D

Gary L 29-04-2009 21:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 34785525)
Which of these is the simplest, most logical explanation?

2) Big Pharma / NWO / The Military-Industrial Complex / Reptoids / all-of-these have secretly created the H1N1 "Swine Flu"/"Mexican Flu" virus for use as a biological weapon, perhaps for some sort of population control (not very effective then is it!), or to make money selling vaccines, or to do a test run for a later more deadly weapon...
That one.

xocemp 29-04-2009 22:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 34785451)
Masks are for wusses. I'm gonna order one of these:
http://www.icanhasforce.com/wp-conte...eople-orly.jpg


:D

idi banashapan 29-04-2009 22:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by icestar2 (Post 34785508)
Maybe if almost every post you make was not riddled with some form of a consipracy or other then people would take what you have to say more seriously.
unfortunately, this is not the case here. if anyone even mentions a 'conspiracy theory' here, be it what they believe or not, they will get called a fool by a certain number of posters here who jump straight on them. not many, admittedly, but there are 3 or 4 who will immediate try to ridicule openly without debate and not even giving the time to actually read into things looking at both sides of the story.

it's sad but true. some people will only accept what they believe. anyone who thinks different is just plain wrong.

Chaos23 does post a lot of conspiracy stuff here. some of it is rubbish, some of it can be very plausible. sometimes his presentation and arguements of the theories leaves room for improvement, but that by no means should mean that the point he is making should be dismissed outright all the time. unfortunately, there are a few here who have branded him a fool and have tried their best to make others think the same of him (imo). he has a constant battle, but continues to to post what he believes to be true, and I salute him for that at least. it's just a shame that some people appear so insecure and threatened by what he posts that they feel the need to belittle him and his posts at every opportunity. if what he says is such rubbish, why respond?

personally, in regards to this pandemic, i think it is quite plausible that one of several scenarios could be at play;

1) this is a natural virus spreading in a natural way, evolving naturally
2) this is a natural virus that has been harvested and released onto the public for whatever reason
3) this is a lab born virus released onto the public for whatever reason
4) this is a lab born virus that has leaked onto the public by accident

regardless of any reasoning behind it, any of those are possible. this means we cannot discount any of those scenarios outrightly based purely on what we think we know or what we believe to be true. the media is hardly likely to tell us if 2, 3 or 4 where true. I doubt very much they would know themselves if they were true. we are therefore led to believe 1 is the truth, but that doesn't mean it is.

therefore, to those of you who openly put down and cast judgement on Chaos23 - you do so unfairly based soley on you opinion of events. just because what he believes is not necessarily what you believe, it does not make him wrong nor a fool. why can some of you not just listen to what he has to say and either walk away or say your peice without having to continually ridicule him openly? does it make you feel better about yourselves? do you have some superiority complex you need to quench? or is he just an easy target you can all poke your sticks at?

if what he says upsets, scares or enrages you, at least reply in a respectful manner. it's like you are trying to make him bite, then beat him with a stick when he does. the guy is in a totally no-win situation here because of a few people with deep down psychological issues. maybe some of you need to take a good look at yourselves before you start mocking others. grow up a little. you're meant to be adults.

homealone 29-04-2009 22:18
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I'm just disappointed it is alleged to be porcine in origin - if caprine it would be a lot easier to find a scapegoat ;)

idi banashapan 29-04-2009 22:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by homealone (Post 34785582)
I'm just disappointed it is alleged to be porcine in origin - if caprine it would be a lot easier to find a scapegoat ;)
lol - that's poor, but in a well put way! :)

icestar2 29-04-2009 23:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender (Post 34785581)
if what he says upsets, scares or enrages you, at least reply in a respectful manner. it's like you are trying to make him bite, then beat him with a stick when he does. the guy is in a totally no-win situation here because of a few people with deep down psychological issues. maybe some of you need to take a good look at yourselves before you start mocking others. grow up a little. you're meant to be adults.
So when he is asked to prove something and cant and decides to move to petty name calling thats ok then. I've personally kept out of most of his threads because they are always filled with conspiracys.

If you see a conspiracy in everything then simple probability says that eventually you'll be right in one of them.

As you'll see I've asked some times in this thread for Chaos23 to show me were he is getting his information to which I was just ignored or insulted myself. I have no personal problem with Chaos at all and he is well within his right to speak his mind but then so am I.

I think this is more just a clash of opinions/personalitys which is always going to happen on a forum as it does in the real world. That does not mean I dislike him just that I dislike some of his views sometimes and he no doubt does mine.

Jimmy-J 30-04-2009 01:24
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It's just a way to scare us into getting the vaccine, only it isn't a vaccine for swine flu, it's a mind manipulating drug that turns us all into controllable zombies.

Propaganda from 1976

TheDaddy 30-04-2009 04:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Product 13 (Post 34785634)
It's just a way to scare us into getting the vaccine, only it isn't a vaccine for swine flu, it's a mind manipulating drug that turns us all into controllable zombies.

Propaganda from 1976
IIRC the vacine from '76 killed more than the flu.........

chaos23 30-04-2009 06:24
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Indonesian Heath Minister Siti Fadilah Supari said Tuesday the deadly swine flu virus could have been man-made, as she urged calm over its spread around the world.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/world/04/...ld-be-man-made

Russ 30-04-2009 06:30
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So a foreign minister known for making controversial statements says she thinks it might have been man-made.

Yep, that's sold it for me.

chaos23 30-04-2009 06:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34785648)
So a foreign minister known for making controversial statements says she thinks it might have been man-made.

Yep, that's sold it for me.
So because they have made controversial statements before, makes them a liar does it? LOL :D

Russ 30-04-2009 06:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785649)
So because they have made controversial statements before, makes them a liar does it? LOL :D
You really need more practise at this 'discussion' business.....

Firstly no-one is accusing her a lying, because all she's done is give her opinion. The only way she could be lying is if she *says* she believes it's man-made while secretly she doesn't.

Secondly when someone with a history of making controversial statements makes...er...a controversial statement, it becomes slightly harder to take what she says seriously.

For most people anyway.

zing_deleted 30-04-2009 06:45
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Controversial last time I looked did not mean incorrect or wrong

Russ 30-04-2009 06:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34785655)
Controversial last time I looked did not mean incorrect or wrong
:banghead:

I'm not saying it does! But such comments can lose credibility very easily if the speaker is known to be controversial. And all she's giving is her opinion - no more.

zing_deleted 30-04-2009 06:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34785657)
:banghead:

I'm not saying it does! But such comments can lose credibility very easily if the speaker is known to be controversial. And all she's giving is her opinion - no more.

Why ?? that does not make sense . The comments should only lose credability if they are not only controversial but also proven incorrect. It does not make sense to dismiss someone just because they say something a lot of people do not like.


On a side note WHO have raised it to level 5 now one stage below a global epidemic.

Also it is said to be pretty mild and the mistake we could make is to use up stockpiles of drugs on this and then be hit by H5N1 which is a far worse problem

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090430/...t-41f21e0.html

Russ 30-04-2009 07:00
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A controversial minister makes a controversial statement - although does not make it false, it equally doesn't make it correct.

zing_deleted 30-04-2009 07:02
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This thread has been allowed to go nuts. Far to much bickering and arguing over who is a conspiracy theorist and who isnt and who is mad and who isnt while quite quickly the situation is worsening and it looks to me like the possibility of a pandemic is on the cards. The flu virus can mutate quite quickly what is quite mild now may not stay that way. Lets hope it stays as it is now

chaos23 30-04-2009 07:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34785657)
:banghead:

I'm not saying it does! But such comments can lose credibility very easily if the speaker is known to be controversial. And all she's giving is her opinion - no more.
Why would someones comments lose credibility if they are known to be controversial?

Russ 30-04-2009 07:22
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People who are known for 'stirring the pot'....will be known for stirring the pot. She hasn't got any grounds for her opinion so it's purely speculation.

chaos23 30-04-2009 07:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34785663)
A controversial minister makes a controversial statement - although does not make it false, it equally doesn't make it correct.
You immiediately attempted to traduce the ministers credibility. In a attempt to rubbish my claims. The reasons for this are :

You have issues with me posting here

You are scared to deviate away from anything but the "norm"

You are scared.

---------- Post added at 08:23 ---------- Previous post was at 08:22 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34785670)
People who are known for 'stirring the pot'....will be known for stirring the pot. She hasn't got any grounds for her opinion so it's purely speculation.
I am not getting into this with you. Lets stick to the subject matter shall we.

LondonRoad 30-04-2009 07:28
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Sometimes the controversial ones are the ones not afraid to stick their heads above the parapet and speak the truth.

Wasn't Jesus Christ one of the most controversial figures during his short life?

Russ 30-04-2009 07:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785671)
You immiediately attempted to traduce the ministers credibility.
You originally posted the few few lines of your post in big black lettering in an attempt to get people's attention (before I edited it back down as there was no need to post like that). I pointed out she's known for being controversial and she's only giving her unqualified opinion. I apologise for bringing facts in to this.

Quote:
Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785671)
In a attempt to rubbish my claims. The reasons for this are :

You have issues with me posting here
Excuse me?! With the greatest respect you're not really high enough on my radar for me to be bothered one way or another.

Quote:
Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785671)
You are scared to deviate away from anything but the "norm"
You think you know me?

Quote:
Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785671)
You are scared.
Yes, I am scared of that photo of me when I was 14 standing next to Goofy in DisneyWorld ever being made public. But that's about it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785671)
I am not getting into this with you. Lets stick to the subject matter shall we.
So you are happy to launch an ad hominem attack (google it) on me without giving me an opportunity to respond?

You really have no idea how discussions work.

---------- Post added at 08:37 ---------- Previous post was at 08:36 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by harmitage (Post 34785674)
Wasn't Jesus Christ one of the most controversial figures during his short life?
Yes and he was rightly challenged for it. Controversial figures should be prepared for their views to be tested and/or doubted.

Nugget 30-04-2009 08:07
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I tried to ring NHS Direct for advice this morning, but all I got was crackling on the line.

idi banashapan 30-04-2009 08:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by icestar2 (Post 34785607)
So when he is asked to prove something and cant and decides to move to petty name calling thats ok then. I've personally kept out of most of his threads because they are always filled with conspiracys.

If you see a conspiracy in everything then simple probability says that eventually you'll be right in one of them.

As you'll see I've asked some times in this thread for Chaos23 to show me were he is getting his information to which I was just ignored or insulted myself. I have no personal problem with Chaos at all and he is well within his right to speak his mind but then so am I.

I think this is more just a clash of opinions/personalitys which is always going to happen on a forum as it does in the real world. That does not mean I dislike him just that I dislike some of his views sometimes and he no doubt does mine.
I have steered well clear of naming names, but your immediate defensive stance says more than I could.

during my time posting to this forum, I have seen many people post many links on many topics and I have absolutely no doubt that a number of those who jump on others in a forceful manned do NOT read the links supplied by those whom they mock. so how does one win that? 'evidence' is asked for, links are supplied, people don't read them yet ask for more evidence.

like I said before, if your view isn't the same as some, then your just worng, no matter what you say or do.

let's leave it there now and get back to the topic.

LondonRoad 30-04-2009 08:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34785676)


Yes and he was rightly challenged for it. Controversial figures should be prepared for their views to be tested and/or doubted.
But surely not their credibility?

Russ 30-04-2009 08:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harmitage (Post 34785700)
But surely not their credibility?
If they can back it up with something (scientific data, walking on water etc) then that's a different matter.

Tuftus 30-04-2009 08:28
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You know, I think that there may be something in the man made speculation, only this morning whilst I was on my smoke break I overheard two men whilst they walked past saying it was man made in lab.

Strangely enough, they were all dressed in black...

Russ 30-04-2009 08:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuftus (Post 34785712)
Strangely enough, they were all dressed in black...
It comes to something when the New Zealand rugby team gets involved.

zing_deleted 30-04-2009 08:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuftus (Post 34785712)
You know, I think that there may be something in the man made speculation, only this morning whilst I was on my smoke break I overheard two men whilst they walked past saying it was man made in lab.

Strangely enough, they were all dressed in black...
The thing is most here are poo pooing the idea of it being man made when we all know that stuff like this and worse exists in labs around the world. Even if its not man made its still in labs being messed around with .

Gary L 30-04-2009 08:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34785714)
It comes to something when the New Zealand rugby team gets involved.
Anyway. back on topic.

Quote:
Your Fear Will Make Some People VERY Rich in Today's Crumbling Economy

According to the Associated Press at least one financial analyst estimates up to $388million worth of Tamiflu sales in the near future10 -- and that's without a pandemic outbreak.

More than half a dozen pharmaceutical companies, including Gilead Sciences Inc., Roche, GlaxoSmithKline and other companies with a stake in flu treatments and detection, have seen a rise in their shares in a matter of days, and will likely see revenue boosts if the swine flu outbreak continues to spread.

Russ 30-04-2009 09:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34785731)
The thing is most here are poo pooing the idea of it being man made when we all know that stuff like this and worse exists in labs around the world. Even if its not man made its still in labs being messed around with .
So if it was man-made - why? It doesn't have any lethal properties, it's no worse than any other flu that does the rounds, just seems like a pointless operation to me.

Nugget 30-04-2009 09:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34785738)
So if it was man-made - why? It doesn't have any lethal properties, it's no worse than any other flu that does the rounds, just seems like a pointless operation to me.
And why target Mexico? It's not exactly high on Americas 'enemy list' and, as has been shown, targetting your neighbour with a man-made virus isn't exactly the most sensible option...

zing_deleted 30-04-2009 09:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34785738)
So if it was man-made - why? It doesn't have any lethal properties, it's no worse than any other flu that does the rounds, just seems like a pointless operation to me.

Ok to play devils advocate. A group has access to bio weapons . They plan to cause mayhem with them. To test if it is going to work you go to a country that has a lot of tourism. You then release a low grade bug similar to the killer bug you have for your plan to see if it will spread how you wish. It spreads worldwide quite quickly. You see your plan may work and move onto phase 2. This is how I would do it if I was a terrorist with access to bio warfare.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nugget (Post 34785745)
And why target Mexico? It's not exactly high on Americas 'enemy list' and, as has been shown, targetting your neighbour with a man-made virus isn't exactly the most sensible option...
because of tourism look at how far afield it has spread even if its not all that dangerous

Gary L 30-04-2009 09:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34785748)
Ok to play devils advocate. A group has access to bio weapons . They plan to cause mayhem with them. To test if it is going to work you go to a country that has a lot of tourism. You then release a low grade bug similar to the killer bug you have for your plan to see if it will spread how you wish. It spreads worldwide quite quickly. You see your plan may work and move onto phase 2.
This is how I see it too :) it's what terrorism should be.

I think I'm going to apply for MI6 as suggested :D

Russ 30-04-2009 09:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34785748)
Ok to play devils advocate. A group has access to bio weapons . They plan to cause mayhem with them. To test if it is going to work you go to a country that has a lot of tourism. You then release a low grade bug similar to the killer bug you have for your plan to see if it will spread how you wish. It spreads worldwide quite quickly. You see your plan may work and move onto phase 2. This is how I would do it if I was a terrorist with access to bio warfare.



because of tourism look at how far afield it has spread even if its not all that dangerous
So why not countries with huge populations in condensed areas, such as America, China etc? Dropping a test tube of pig flu in a large city with an international airport would see plenty of home-grown victims as well as spreading it around the world.

piggy 30-04-2009 09:20
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so to summarise the last few posts, the new zealand rugby team invented the virus and we are all going to die in a nuclear holocaust!! have i missed anything:D:D

Stuart 30-04-2009 09:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34785748)
Ok to play devils advocate. A group has access to bio weapons . They plan to cause mayhem with them. To test if it is going to work you go to a country that has a lot of tourism. You then release a low grade bug similar to the killer bug you have for your plan to see if it will spread how you wish. It spreads worldwide quite quickly. You see your plan may work and move onto phase 2. This is how I would do it if I was a terrorist with access to bio warfare.



because of tourism look at how far afield it has spread even if its not all that dangerous
If it's tourism they are after, why not target the London Underground? There may be thousands of tourists in Mexico, but there are probably (at any given moment) at least 10s of thousand of tourists in the London Underground system, and in a nice, closed system as well (increases the chances of infection). Not to mention the fact that it has direct links with one of the world's busiest international airports, and the sheer amount of people on the system would make it difficult to track who deployed the virus.

Combine that with the fact the a lot of terrorist groups appear to think of us as America's pet, so any such attack could easily be linked to terrorism.

zing_deleted 30-04-2009 09:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34785758)
If it's tourism they are after, why not target the London Underground? There may be thousands of tourists in Mexico, but there are probably (at any given moment) at least 10s of thousand of tourists in the London Underground system, and in a nice, closed system as well (increases the chances of infection) and the sheer amount of people on the system would make it difficult to track who deployed the virus.

I said I was play devils advocate. Maybe the underground is phase 2 ;) Release the test in a less secure country to reduce the risk of having plans found out. Then once you know its succesful hit the main target ;)

Gary L 30-04-2009 09:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34785758)
If it's tourism they are after, why not target the London Underground? There may be thousands of tourists in Mexico, but there are probably (at any given moment) at least 10s of thousand of tourists in the London Underground system, and in a nice, closed system as well (increases the chances of infection) and the sheer amount of people on the system would make it difficult to track who deployed the virus.
By doing it from Mexico they get to see how far it will reach outwards. and releasing it in London would arouse more suspicion than there already is.

Stuart 30-04-2009 09:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34785764)
By doing it from Mexico they get to see how far it will reach outwards. and releasing it in London would arouse more suspicion than there already is.
Suspicion which could easily be diverted onto various terrorist groups.

Russ 30-04-2009 09:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34785764)
By doing it from Mexico they get to see how far it will reach outwards. and releasing it in London would arouse more suspicion than there already is.
Supposition. Arousing suspicion would only happen if people were dying from it. Otherwise it's just a bad case of the flu which could easily have got in to the country.

Gary L 30-04-2009 09:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34785767)
Suspicion which could easily be diverted onto various terrorist groups.
But Mexico is a neutral place. ideal for testing the spread and its affects.

Chris 30-04-2009 09:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34785761)
I said I was play devils advocate. Maybe the underground is phase 2 ;) Release the test in a less secure country to reduce the risk of having plans found out. Then once you know its succesful hit the main target ;)
I suspect the devil would be a whole lot cleverer than this. Let's face it, 'they' released their bio-weapon in a less secure country and you still sussed them within days.

Where are the real evil geniuses when you need them? We're surrounded by fools!

Gary L 30-04-2009 09:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34785769)
Supposition. Arousing suspicion would only happen if people were dying from it. Otherwise it's just a bad case of the flu which could easily have got in to the country.
Yes, but they don't need the hassle of it all. and it's worldwide terrorism that they want to test.

zing_deleted 30-04-2009 09:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34785772)
I suspect the devil would be a whole lot cleverer than this. Let's face it, 'they' released their bio-weapon in a less secure country and you still sussed them within days.

Where are the real evil geniuses when you need them? We're surrounded by fools!

But the devil does not need to cover his tracks next to no one believes in him ;)

Gary L 30-04-2009 09:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34785772)
Where are the real evil geniuses when you need them? We're surrounded by fools!
It's a bit more advanced than the world being round as opposed to being flat Chris :)

Russ 30-04-2009 09:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34785773)
Yes, but they don't need the hassle of it all. and it's worldwide terrorism that they want to test.
Supposition again.

Worldwide terrorism....which isn't doing anything other than making people sneeze a lot.

Nugget 30-04-2009 09:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by piggy (Post 34785757)
so to summarise the last few posts, the new zealand rugby team invented the virus and we are all going to die in a nuclear holocaust!! have i missed anything:D:D
With a name like yours, you may want to back away from this thread - I have a feeling that I know where the fingers are going to be pointing next :D

Gary L 30-04-2009 09:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34785777)
Supposition again.

Worldwide terrorism....which isn't doing anything other than making people sneeze a lot.
Testing Russ. you're not taking notice.

Russ 30-04-2009 09:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34785780)
Testing Russ. you're not taking notice.
I admit I find it difficult to pay attention to ludicrous supposition. With the level of paranoia in the world today you'd think "they" would have covered their tracks a bit better than this. Instead armchair experts around the world have rumbled them already.

Gary L 30-04-2009 09:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34785782)
I admit I find it difficult to pay attention to ludicrous supposition.
But you have no problem questioning it.

Russ 30-04-2009 09:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34785785)
But you have no problem questioning it.
An ability I've picked up from various CF members.

I see absolutely nothing in assuming it's any sort of conspiracy. If I went in to a packed cinema and shouted 'fire' then I could end up prosecuted for a Public order offence.

But stirrers can go on websites, newspapers, tv, radio etc do the same about a global conspiracy and get away with it.

Gary L 30-04-2009 09:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34785793)
An ability I've picked up from various CF members.

I see absolutely nothing in assuming it's any sort of conspiracy. If I went in to a packed cinema and shouted 'fire' then I could end up prosecuted for a Public order offence.

But stirrers can go on websites, newspapers, tv, radio etc do the same about a global conspiracy and get away with it.
Do you think they should be prosecuted for supposing something, other than what hasn't been proved?
Or should they just be ridiculed for even thinking outside the common sense line of thinking?

Russ 30-04-2009 10:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34785795)
Do you think they should be prosecuted for supposing something, other than what hasn't been proved?
Or should they just be ridiculed for even thinking outside the common sense line of thinking?
Well some people aren't supposing - they're not only convinced (based on very little evidence) but they're also insisting if we don't go along with them too then we're apparently 'scared'.

zing_deleted 30-04-2009 10:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34785793)
An ability I've picked up from various CF members.

I see absolutely nothing in assuming it's any sort of conspiracy. If I went in to a packed cinema and shouted 'fire' then I could end up prosecuted for a Public order offence.

But stirrers can go on websites, newspapers, tv, radio etc do the same about a global conspiracy and get away with it.
Paranoia is a clinical symptom of a lot of mild mental disorders some of your stirrers may actually be ill

Raistlin 30-04-2009 10:20
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Ok, enough.

Time out.

Stand back, take a deep breath, count to 10 minutes.


---------- Post added at 11:20 ---------- Previous post was at 11:06 ----------

Seconds out, round 18.

Please feel free to discuss the topic in a sensible and adult manner.

Pierre 30-04-2009 10:44
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Are we all dead yet?

No, thought not.

Quote:
a smiling 5-year-old Mexican boy who tested positive for the deadly new strain of swine flu in this windswept valley surrounded by pig-breeding farms. "I feel good."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30468063/

Quote:
The woman confirmed with swine flu did not go to hospital and is being treated with anti-viral drugs at home, the BBC understands.

Speaking about the north London man with the virus, Dr Andrew Burnett, medical director at Barnet Primary Care Trust, said: "We can confirm that a 22-year-old man is being treated at home for mild flu-like symptoms and has tested positive for swine influenza.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8024780.stm

If all you conspiracy nuts out there want to theorise about dark forces why not theorise about how much money the makers of "Tamiflu" are reaping in from this????

Nugget 30-04-2009 10:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob M (Post 34785801)
Ok, enough.

Time out.

Stand back, take a deep breath, count to 10 minutes.
Ooh, you swine ;)

This is yet another emotive issue - there are those on the (for want of a better word) conspiracy side of the argument who will happily take in / believe the idea that this is a man-made 'weapon', developed by those with no feelings but malice towards the rest of us.

On the flipside, there are those who believe that, seeing as influenza has been proven to genetically mutate any number of times, that this was just an 'accident waiting to happen', particularly as mankinds desire for more of everything (in this case, products from pigs) results in more contact with the relevant animals, giving the virus more opportunity to mutate.

FWIW, I work with someone who came back from Mexico last week, and has absolutely no symptoms whatsoever - go figure :shrug:

Hugh 30-04-2009 10:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34785813)
Are we all dead yet?

No, thought not.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30468063/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8024780.stm

If all you conspiracy nuts out there want to theorise about dark forces why not theorise about how much money the makers of "Tamiflu" are reaping in from this????
Already been mentioned, along with the Rumsfeld connection...;)

On the flip-side, the impact of this in Mexico alone is estimated at approx $50 million per day in lost business, due to shops etc being shut.

chaos23 30-04-2009 11:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34785793)
An ability I've picked up from various CF members.

I see absolutely nothing in assuming it's any sort of conspiracy. If I went in to a packed cinema and shouted 'fire' then I could end up prosecuted for a Public order offence.

But stirrers can go on websites, newspapers, tv, radio etc do the same about a global conspiracy and get away with it.
But stirrers can go on websites, newspapers, tv, radio etc do the same about a global conspiracy and get away with it


What exactly is it that your worried about. People are intelligent enough to work out for themselves what and what not to believe. Its a free society we live in where we allow free speech. Do you have a problem with that Heinrich?

Russ 30-04-2009 11:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785833)
What exactly is it that your worried about.
I'm not worried about anything - and especially not about the "New World Order" (dun dun duuuuuuh) try to off us all.

Not once have I tried (or wanted) to silence you. But I will challenge you with anything you post that I disagree with. That's how discussion forums work.

chaos23 30-04-2009 11:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34785835)
I'm not worried about anything - and especially not about the "New World Order" (dun dun duuuuuuh) try to off us all.

Not once have I tried (or wanted) to silence you. But I will challenge you with anything you post that I disagree with. That's how discussion forums work.
There is challenging and then there is harrassing. You and some of your buddies on here are bordering on harrassment.

RizzyKing 30-04-2009 11:45
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I have no problem with free speech i do have a problem with people that shout out theories represent them as fact and when challenged to priovide some facts provide nothing and instead attack other members remind some of anyone.

Sir John Luke 30-04-2009 11:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34785799)
Paranoia is a clinical symptom of a lot of mild mental disorders some of your stirrers may actually be ill
That struck me as well, but I thought I'd better not post it, even though it is a serious point.

Pierre 30-04-2009 11:48
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I tell you, I wonder how some people find the will to get out of bed in the morning.

jamiefrost 30-04-2009 11:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34785771)
But Mexico is a neutral place. ideal for testing the spread and its affects.

The lethality of a virus / biological weapon has an effect of the transmission and spread. If the virus is too virulent people are too ill to quickly and unable to spread the virus.

It all comes down to how long a person is a carrier for spreading the virus before the become too ill. So spreading a weaker version of the virus may not have the same spread pattern as a stronger one.

If you die within one hour of catching the virus means is difficult for the virus to spread.

Also the baseline health and medcial care have a great effect of leathality. Just beacuse it spreads quickly and kills a lot of people in an a group of malnourished poorlry cared for group does not mean the same will happen elsewhere.

This bio wepaon thing seems to be really complicated, too deadly and it doesn't get chance to spread.

JJ


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