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I might have missed it, but is there any indication of how VM are planning on applying this?

24/7? Replacing STM during the current STM hours? In addition to STM to limit these more severely while relaxing STM for the others?

I'm just wondering whether VM are trying to ease up some congestion on their network (again) or encourage a large number of subscribers to downgrade/move.

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What I don't understand if your throttled how can you hit the STM limits

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What i want to know is why VM have not refuted this, Could it be that only a few weeks after they said they where not doing it, It now comes out that in fact they are doing it :shocked:.

so VM Are you adding even more restrictions to our service so you can load even more customers on to the service or is this just a bad dream ????????.

I think i know what it is but it would be nice for you to answer as fast as you did last time

:rolleyes:

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hi all,
just thought i would get a word in, i am on the xl 20mb i get throttled every day and night to 4.5mb the only hours i do get full speed is from 12 midnight till 10am. I have been reading alot about vm on other sites. and why i dont agree with throttling i still think they have a good service. however this is my gripe. i hear they are testing the 50mb broadband down south some where and are going to roll it out soon for an un confirmed £47pm,
so what will they be throttling that down to ? the only reason why anyone would want 50mb would be for hd streaming,etc,etc :D
i also read some where that the cable lines were actually capable of carrying upto 150mb. so i cant understand why they need to throttle ???
this company have years infront of the old copper lines but i feel the way they are going they aint gonna have as many customers as they have now.
it was a kick in the teeth loosing some sky channels, now they come back to collect the teeth by capping ya !!!!!!
:mad:

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I guess we are gonna have to wait and see if they do it or not if they do and I move house I will certainly look at my options even if I am working for VM or not

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With the new docsis 3 they are capable of far higher than that at least 400MBit i say but i have heard rumors of it could go up to 2GBit siruis might be able to confirm that a bit more than me

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From some of VM's press release info they are aiming for 250 meg by 2010. They have also confirmed that at this time they are NOT going to use STM on the 50 meg product. Time will tell however as to what traffic restrictions they will place on the 50 meg product and what type of system they will implement if any.

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I meant the capability of docsis 3 ;) ie if it could potential do 2GBit in the future specifications, allow to be honest i aint keeping track on 50mb because i dnt have much confidence of virgin doing it right.

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At the moment the specification has the capability to be extended to 1 gig, However you are not likley to see that being used by VM :LOL:.

For those that want a basic explanation of Docsis see HERE or HERE

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Well they might ;) but they will throttle it 15MB ;)

I can see the adverts. "For the fastest broadband in this universe try Virgin 1GBit connection, it will get you to pluto and back in seconds"

'Small Print

Upload 5MBit
Subject to STM during peaks hour where we reserve the right to throttle your connection to 15MBit for the benefit of other users. Upload throttle to 512KBit'

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thats way to high they will throttle it to 7.5MBit and 256K upload

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You 2 are expecting far to much. :D

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lmao u should think more of vm they are gr8 at been the best bb provider

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Every company, no matter what sector they are in, are 'great' and 'the best' when they consistently deliver what the customer is paying them for and the customer service is efficient and prompt when things go wrong.

If you are one of those that fall into this category then you are one of the many fortunate ones.

Occasionally things go wrong, sometimes badly wrong.
Inherently, the people that post the most are the ones that get poor service or poor customer support when it is needed.

Whist I disagree with STM and throttling, I must admit the service I have received has been excellent.

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What about the 'Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000' with specific regards that the Secretary of State can issue the interception of communications (in section 5 of the act 'interception with a warrant'). As far as I can tell from browsing the act if it is authorised by Home Secretary then they can legitimatley intercept your communications, probably via deep packet inspection and or other methods regardless of your consent or not.

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i do think the isp of this country should pull there socks up quickly before we get left behind, we are already way behind in broadband with the rest of the world,
h20 are doing 100mb broadband in Bournemouth, Northampton and Dundee and thats through standard line, (( with fibre optic put from exchange somewhere ))
comapny called geo lease there fibre optic lines to tiscali and a few other isp's
none of these isp cap your bandwidth ??
so what would you go for ? a service thats capped or a service thats not capped ?
its only a matter of time before we have that choice :)

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That is correct. But such authorisation shall not be granted unless...

(a) it is in the interests of national security;

(b) it is for the purpose of preventing or detecting serious crime;

(c) it is for the purpose of safeguarding the economic well-being of the United Kingdom; or

(d) it is for the purpose, in circumstances appearing to the Secretary of State to be equivalent to those in which he would issue a warrant by virtue of giving effect to the provisions of any international mutual assistance agreement.

I don't think that interception of communications for the purpose of Application Throttling/Management falls under any of those.

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(b) it is for the purpose of preventing or detecting serious crime;

That will be that Girls Aloud cd i downloaded last week then...............

[actually that might be classed as a crime :) ]

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the official spec for the real minimum 4 channels Docsis3 kit as apposed to the old
pre-DS3/DS2.0b that its based on is
upto 160Mbps download, and upstream speeds of up to 120Mbps
thats the Minimum Spec for Docsis 3.0 using the mandated basic 4 bonded channels in case you didnt know.

the official full spec for the final can use upto 125 bonded channels thats 5Gbit/s download and 3.75Gbit/s upload max total.

that OC is if some vendors decide to make and meet the units to this 125 bonded channels in the far future, but OC your going to need far better than the current end user 1 gigabit Ethernet cards to take advantage of that kind of speed by then.

the old http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...l#post34521967 thread has lots of interesting information and links if your interested.

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Which is all fine and dandy if you've got the backhaul to support it.

I.e you could give every end user 160Mbit but it's going to be useless if there's only say 200mbit backhaul for the area.

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thats what that old http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34513039-post56.html
VM April 2nd 2007 announcement was supposed to be all about.

"In addition to supporting all of its own broadband customers, Virgin Media also leases capacity on its core network to several of the UK’s leading ISPs, so the Juniper Networks T-series will be supporting an expansive network capable of delivering Internet-based communications services to more
than 12 million UK homes (more than 50 percent of the total households in the UK), and 85 percent of UK businesses.

“Service reliability, throughput speed and scalable capacity are the main criteria that will enable a successful roll-out of next-generation network services in both the immediate future and in the long term,” said Rob Sim, Head of Network Architecture at Virgin Media.

“We wanted to put support for 40G in place now, and both the T640 and TX Matrix platforms from Juniper enable us to support 40G as soon as needed.

Also, as the capacity demands on our network grow, we can easily upgrade the T640 to TX Matrix as required, whilst maintaining both operational and service consistency without an operating system change.”

"
opp thats should be upto 160Mbps download, and upstream speeds of up to 120Mbps Megabits not mibibits

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I like how you underlined Upto.

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All very true but it should be mentioned that a 125 tuner modem is way out of reach at the moment, and a 3.75Gbit/s upload even with the tuners in place is just not feasible on cable networks at the moment.

VM have at absolute most 60MHz of bandwidth on the upstream and in a lot of areas less than 40, in some 25 which is nowhere near enough for 1Gbit let alone 3.75 assuming that the entire bandwidth there is useful, which it likely won't be, and that there's nothing else running on it.

The numbers are great to look at but we won't be seeing networks with that kind of downstream for a considerable time, if ever, upstream, well, no comment. It would require a lot of investment in the access network which is something VM have a bit of an allergy to going by their network overbuild spend thusfar, less than 1/5th of some companies.

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Some of the world for sure.

It's fibre to the home not standard lines, the fibre is right to your home and is a work in progress, not complete. Not sure if they've even started building yet.

That is only core network fibre, doesn't really relate to the service at your home, and Tiscali throttle like hell ;)

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my point was that vm will not be the only ones that can offer super speed broadband,
fair enough it will take time but it will come eventually,

what i would like to know is how many will be taking the 50mb package when it comes out, bearing in mind with all this throttling it wont take long to go from 50mb to what ever they set the capping at.

50mb sounds impressive but i would rather have my 20mb with no throttling

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Yu dnt even need 20MB i only know about 6 server worldwide that can handle the speed so oyu can use the connection to full. Most barely support 10MB if they provide 10MB with no throttling and alsightly higher uplaod that be perfect i say

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All the http servers i use i can pretty much max out at 50-60Mbit, premium http i can easily do 100Mbit.

Most sites can provide 10+Mbit just fine.

Giganews can pump out much more than 100Mbit as well ;)

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Majority of servers can pump out at very high rates but not many can maintain them. Hay even virgin own gamefiles which is on gigabit can only maintain 1.5Mb/s but can reach 20Mb/s ;) only know that cause i was lucky to have access to a oc connection one day ;)

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I have decided if VM do bring this in when I move (not sure where thats is) I will be gone and wont use the service rather give Sky my money

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I can pull files from virginmedia at around 9MB/s (tried ubuntu download).

Everyone i've tried can maintain them, ironically the only one that cant seems to be microsoft which seems to vary alot.

What sort of OC connection ;)

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What do you mean, IF? the hardware is already there and enabled, technically its already been brought in!

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What you mean sort of OC connection, connection type or speed? or something else.

Do you know what is weird when i done it on the OC connection ot microsoft it maintain 14Mb/s but when i tried ubutnu it Maintain 1Mb/s oh well guess traffic was bad at the times we tried each site, guess i am wrong maybe majority can handle it

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Andrew, what do you mean OC connection? OC what and where? Wasn't even aware we used OC in the UK.

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For fear of being the village idiot, what does the acronym 'OC' refer to in this context?

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Optical Carrier

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I dnt know who excately uses it but some places do and it mostly be isps backbones i guess

OC12 Connection ie Optical Carrier Connection used on fibre

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OK understand, STM-4 then. We use SDH in the UK not SONET and OC is a purely SONET thing. Was the mention of 'OC' that confused as I've never seen SONET on an ISP network here. Thanks for clearing it up.

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I can sort of verify this.

Both my sisters use utorrent to download stuff.

One is on a VM 2meg connection, the other on a orange adsl connection.

Both were running slow and I told them its because they didnt cap their upload speeds on utorrent, when I uncapped it on the orange dsl line, utorrent itself sped up as well as other stuff like web browsing. On the VM line nothing happened everything stayed slow and didnt even get a boost on utorrent speeds.

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if VM start protocol throttling aka like plusnet and BT broadband then I would love to know how they justify it.

VM own their own network and backhaul, isps reselling BT wholesale services have to pay very high traffic costs to BT wholesale which is why traffic shaping is common on adsl and is why isps like BE and sky/ukonline have yet not had the need to do any throttling. VM also do charge higher prices than adsl retail, a up to 8meg on adsl can be quite easily had for under £20 and sometimes under £15 yet VM get much more then that for all high speed connections regardless of usage. So I have defenitly changed my views now on this and I think its a blatant attempt at profiteering at the cost of letting the service go downhill.

Anyone hoping that ofcom steps in dont hold your breath, so far they have ignored all the traffic shaping stuff on adsl and the ASA has no problem with isps selling unlimited and then limiting it. The only thing ofcom have done is asked isps who traffic shape to clarify it to customers and show how things are shaped. I expect VM have took the stance most other isps are doing so why not us.

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I havent seen any slow downs on my torrents was getting 500Kb/s plus

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virgin dnt own the backhaul onto the internet only there fibre network once it connected to the backbone of the internet they pay for traffic jsut like bt does as well, but i aint saying this is a excuss for them just trying to clarify a slight misunderstanding.

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I think Chrysalis was referring to the costs to ISPs who interconnect with BT Wholesale. That cost is far higher than the cost of internet bandwidth.

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I thought that as well but they also go on about virgin making profits but since virgin have to pay for the backbone then they do lose money but i still am not staying this is justified if it is getting implemented

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Nearly every ISP has to pay to get their traffic onto the Internet from their internal network, however the main reason for shaping is the huge costs to BT Wholesale. Note Sky for example. They shape on the BT Wholesale supplied service but not on the LLU, while Be are only LLU and don't shape at all.

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i think trying to base any assumptions on torrent speeds is just crazy. Torrents are not a valid means of testing for throttling as there are so many variables !

Impz

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I would test using newsgroups, might get better results

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Not when your connected to 100Mbit seeders/seedboxes and cant pull more than 50KB/s ;):p:

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Come on tho Trax test connection speeds via torrents isn't going to work is it really I am ok with my speeds on torrents and I am yet to hear of people calling and cancelling over it so lets just wait and see

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i have had no issues with torrents was getting 2.1Mb/s last night !

Impz

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I was getting 0.9MB - 1.0MB on uTorrent last night on a 10Mb/s line (and no, I am not getting MB and Mb confused ;) ).

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you misunderstood me.

virgin own their own network, all of their backhaul linking up cable customers.

an isp like zen has to pay BT wholesale to get the traffic from the customers house to zen's network, so zen has to pay BT wholesale to shift the traffic across the country.

You are reffering to internet transit which is something different.

to give you an idea how expensive BT backhaul is entanet said they can send traffic to australia for about 10% of the cost they have to pay BT to send customer traffic to them.

Isp's such as sky and BE bypass these costs as they dont use BT wholesale backhaul, although they then have to pay for their own backhaul it is significantly cheaper hence they more competitive, VM also has their own backhaul.

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i am aware but you are suggesting because they dnt pay for there itnernal bandwiwdht they dnt need to shaped, but since they pay for the backhual then that why they shaped to save them money. i do not agree with it but i understand there logic

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obviously they need to pay to upgrade capacity etc. but my point was the costs are not comparable to other isps who apply this kind of traffic shaping especially when you consider the revenue VM get as well.

The only conclusion I have come to is that investment in the backhaul has become significantly constrained in favour of profits and subsidising tv losses hence the need to traffic shape, time will tell if the introduction of docsis3 eases the need to shape (it should do), if they protocol shape then its probably just to cram as many customers as possible onto the service.

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And the puffa-elephant sized debts...

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People on VM aren't shaped to save backhaul / transit bandwidth, they are shaped due to the limitations of the cable network and VM not investing enough in it to preserve quality of service without throttling.

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Here's something that we can only hope will make VM remove traffic shaping, that's sky making their max package truly unlimited. Hopefully VM are taking note

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Considering alex's reply to this on VM's internal forums, you have no chance of that.

His reply was

"Truely Unlimited, Like Ours"

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http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread....sid=1&pageNo=2

DPIM - Deep Packet Inspection Module

3 755 ms 709 ms 470 ms wapk-t2cam1-b-v100.inet.ntl.com [80.1.170.237]

4 660 ms 848 ms 823 ms walt-dpim1-2-coc-1-gw.service.virginmedia.net [62.255.80.165]

5 679 ms 612 ms 498 ms pop-bb-b-so-020-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.174.238]

You guys should really check that thread, seems i was right about ALLOT and throttling gamers!

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Oh Dear..

Now who said they wasnt rolling ALLOT/Application throttling out heh?!!!

Source is Ignition.

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Eugh you've got to be kidding.

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Is that lot active now?

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Yes :(

Now we have to wait to see if they extend the current trials and/or roll it out alltogether.

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I wonder if since thats an old wow post (14/03/08) same time as that which must not be mentioned ;), they have covered it up now and no DPMI shows up on hop tracerts would explain the extra hop i keep seeing on any reverse traceroute but dont see that hop on a normal outbound tracert :S.

http://www.giganews.com/line_info.html

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If they're actively throttling gamers then they're either stupider than I previously gave them credit for or the network is bordering on meltdown.

Much as those of us using newsgroups don't like it, at the end of the day it's a non-realtime service with minimal impact to being throttled when the network is struggling. Throttling realtime critical data resulting in poor service for customers who (in most cases) won't know any better and will start calling faults to be told this is normal seems like commercial suicide for a residential ISP.

Do we have any reason why they're targetting gamers specifically?

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to save bandwidth and maximise there profits for bonuses

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all though didnt Virgin Media admit they have allot on there network but dont use it for application throttling?

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Their actual response was its used on a very small part of the network to build usage metrics and until recently it was only in one area.

Then 2 weeks before the 50Mbit rollout it suddenly appears all over the network...

Then there is the shaping trial which we know of...

P.S Funnily, zenith who is contracted to work with ALLOT denies it being on the network at all, yet they clearly are there.

He does admit what its used for though ;)

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Well I have no problem with it been on the network as long as its doesnt affect my gaming or torrents, which you have said it will, I aint gonna worry until it does

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is it possible that VM are using this technology to prioritise games and internet traffic over P2P/downloading?

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If they are then thats a crock of watsit.

So have VM made any more statements ???????

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I'd like to know what impacts - if any - this is having on gaming, because so far my WOW and Conan accounts get very good connections with no abnormal latency increases.

Whilst I don't dispute Trax's recent post on the DPI boxes, if they are live, they are having no visible decremental affect on my gaming experience. It could even be that the such network components could be improving things, but with no evidence either way its just talk right now,

EDIT: It also crossed my mind too that I was recently forced to upgrade my WOW files with a massive 900Mb patch ready for their latest add on, considering that is served to its users using a peer-to-peer system and my download was fast and well seeded, I do think these boxes if live are helping, not hindering. :)

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all though didnt Virgin Media admit they have allot on there network but dont use it for application throttling?[/quote]

They did...so i don't see how the equipment showing proves anything one way or the other.
Maybe they are,maybe they aren't.....but my gaming hasn't been affected.

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But there are already Allot NetEnforcers in the ex-NTL Network.. Have been for ages, but as far as I know they are only gathering 'application data stats' not actually doing any traffic management.

Can you tell if it is actually doing anything other than sitting in the network behind a CAM?

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As I have said.. The Allot boxes that are currently on the Bromley/Langley network are only gathering stats.. They are the old NetEnforcers that NTL put in years back.
There are no Allot boxes on the Knowsley Platform.. So where has this appearing all over the network come from..

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That's funny, because on digitalspy you said they are no allot modules on any part of the network and that was only yesterday, having trouble with your memory again zenith? ;)

Err, look above, funny that's more areas than bromley and langley, :rolleyes:

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Lol.. I am talking about Allot 10G (Current Equipment), I don't class the old rubbish that is sucking power in the hubsites doing nothing!

Oh and by the way.. All those sites are either Bromley or Langley.. There is not a Knowsley site amongst them.

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Oh this should be good.

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Ah yes, the old ones which were never on any other part of the network until a few days ago you mean ;)

Oh how one wishes you were to be honest for just once :)

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What are you talking about:confused: The Allot kit which is in the network has been there for years.. It is not even counted as being traffic management equipment by VM anymore.. It is just stats gathering.. You really are starting to get boring!:)

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If Virgin Media have ALLOT on the network then so be it shall we just wait until they deploy this nationwide, I mean I dont really think Virgin will deploy this unless its just in the really bad areas, as you post before trax shows ALLOT is active but not actually traffic managing

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Funny, i think you talk out of your arse :D


You say that they are not currently active, so what about the current profile trial YOU along with others whom i shall not name (considering they browse here) are running.?

Oops, let's hear your wave of ********, invite alex along too.

Funny that certain staff have been in huge amounts of trouble for talking about and trying to find out what allot is being used for, aint it? for something thats only collecting data...they sure do have extremely big amounts of security over it ;)

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In real terms if Allot was being used for shaping gaming traffic would it make the ping from the user to the gaming server higher, but the game still playable? Or the ping so high that gaming becomes impossible to play?

To be honest if 99% of games are playable just with slightly higher pings then I am not too botherd. If however the pings are so high that gaming becomes impossible then I would have serious issues with it.

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One might have expected the same of stm, however this is the underhanded penny pinchers at VM we're dealing with, if its implemented, it'll be nationwide :(

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If this application throttling effects my Xbox Live experience then I'm going elsewhere... its as simple as that (and I'm sure others will almost certainly follow)

I already have a BT-Line so that's not a problem :)

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Same here I use my BB regulary for xbox live and if I cant play because VM need to save money then bye bye

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So do we take the fact that VM have not disputed this, That this time they are infact doing this

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They have it installed Sirius as they have admitted, so the post from trax showing its active is just showing its on the network and in no way appilication managing anyone, if there was a trial we would find out about it, I have seen any slow down on my torrents or newsgroups, until I start to see this been affected I aint gonna worry too much

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Noticing some weird things as of late, If I'm on a game my pings seem to slowly rise from 15/20 to 45/50. After I leave the game I still have 45/50 pings to certain things, then suddenly after I've been off the game for 5 minutes my ping and download speeds suddenly return to normal.

Been going on for the past week, Only seems to be happening 5pm-9pm.

If I don't go on games everything remains the same.

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mmm strange I doubt its shaping causing this as gaming you have to connect to a server/host and it all depends where you are connected and how much load is but on the server/host, so once you leave a game your pings will be back to normal

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If only they invested as much energy and money in network upgrades and sorting out their current tiers, instead of throttling, "management" (more throttling) and the utterly pointless 50 meg tier that will only be used by people with chipped modems things might improve.

I have my Be install date now. If I get over 10 meg, it will be bye bye VM.

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Those Allot units have been there for years, they were ordered and installed years ago. None of them have ever shaped traffic actively nor will they, some of them aren't even activated.

The 10Gbit Allot SG Omega is presently confined exclusively to the Cable and Wireless LLU interconnects. No evidence of a wide spread trial or rollout on the cable network.

Yes they are there, ntl had all this kit and had to find something to do with it, so something to keep the number crunchers interested and help the application management companies to produce their statistics was the way to run I guess.

I repeat none of those units are actively shaping, some aren't even switched on.

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Which I have pointed out a few posts above I have seen no trials heard no about no trials from higher up contacts so really dont see this been rolled out, maybe VM do have some kind of sense

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Thats good to hear :tu:

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come sirius if this was been trialled then we would of known about it

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Would we ????

Remember STM that was trialed in small select areas first so as not to give the game away

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We also have Traxdata that would let it slip and then there would be a thousand threads I am been appilication managed

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:LOL:

Have you seen some of the new threads here tonight :LOL:

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:LOL:;):p::angel:

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lol too true

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Heh... I've just ditched VM, after 15 years as a cable customer - first East Lancs Cablevision, which was taken over by Cable & Wireless, then NTL and finally VM. I had Cable broadband for 6 years+ and the only serious problems I ever had started when VM took over.

As an ex-NTL customer I can confirm that yes, since VM took over, throttling or shaping on P2P is very evident. I was struggling to download an Ubuntu distro recently - under NTL it might have taken the best part of a day (on 2Mb connection), but after VM's interference in the WAY I was using the bandwidth I was paying for meant that the same size of distro was taking a couple of weeks or more! It doesn't just seem to be a case of throttling though - more like packets being deliberately dropped for torrents.

I can happily say I'm out of the VM hell now - got a nice 8Mb ADSL2 connection, which is actually giving me 8.4Mb. And it's free for 12 months!!! Sorry VM, you can't beat that deal mwuhahaaaa. I never wanted a BT line before (this recent crap is the reason I've had to get one after 15 years as a cable customer), but VM have just added to one of their main competitors' profits and lost 70 quid a month+ as I've also ditched all the TV and phone services too. It's Skype for me from here on in, and the Freeview HDD does everything a VM+ box does and more for a one off payment. Happy days :D

So I say, yeah, make the leap - after all VM are only interested in NEW customers and treat the ones they already have with contempt! ;)

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8.4 mb on a 8mb line yea right :rolleyes:.

I was well into your post till you put that piece of clap trap.

I will just wait for some smart arse to try and say you can :LOL:

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I think he's talking about his router stats and what he's connected at.

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But you have to admit that you cannot connect to a dslam with ADSL Max at 8.4 mb :)

If he had put 7.4 then i might have understood but not 8.4mb

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8,188 here :)

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And with that crap :rolleyes: i will leave the thread.