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I left this thread for quite a while because of certain peoples posts.I only come back because I saw hypocrisy from those who pushed me away

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zinglebarb. Well don't count me in their numbers. What you have said is right but sometimes you do seem to get worked up even when people are basically agreeing with you.:D

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I dont I must admit im pretty wound up at the mo chill pill might be needed :) call me Dave or zing if you so desire :)

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:Peaceman: It's late enough for a large G&T. Think I'll put my chill pill in one.

Jo

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The building/ complex wasn't locked because it's similar to a hotel in design apparently, their room/ apartment was locked however if staff heard children they have key's to open it and either look after them or get their parents, something that I believe the resort used to actively promote as a service

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Love is the air.......... bout time me says :D

runs off to buy a hat...

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Better make it a flack helmet. Doubt if the cease fire will be permanent.:D

Jo

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I wonder how many other children have been abducted in the past fortnight. Will any of them ever receive the same level of media frenzy?

Anyone ever care about the mass child abductions which take place regularly in parts of Africa.

What if Madeleine had been the daughter of a "working class" single parent, rather than a well-off "middle class" couple of Doctors.


It's an awful crime, & I feel for Madeleine & her family, but the British media's OTT response to this has been ridiculous. And it isn't just the tabloids.

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Not sure if it's been mentioned already -

I've just read this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6668479.stm

A Madeleine film to be shown at the FA Cup Final.

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Very very good article here, IMO, at the MSNUK News Team's blog:

http://msnukhomepage.spaces.live.com/

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Perhaps the media and public interest in Madeleine will encourage those with the power to do something about the issues you raise to act

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The media in this country have really gone too far in the last year or so. Like I said before, they thought they found the Ipswich killer instead it was some innocent guy the mirror had conned into giving a interview. Since when were the media the police?

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whole heartedly agree with you,no child should be left on their own i cant come to terms with the parents leaving 3 kids on their own what chance would they have had if a fire had broken out ? i find this a totally irresponsible action and i earnestly pray madeline will be found safe and totally unharmed.

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mick its a sad fact but the b******s who snatched this child know excatly what they are doing,in 18 months time this wee girl will have forgot an awful lot of things including mammy and daddy.

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zing mark is full of bulls**t,any parent knows the trust their kids have in them as parents and this should not be betrayed,there is an old saying you will have your dog as you rear your pup, and hopefully the love and care you show them will be carried through when they have kids of their own.

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are you for real ? :mad:

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Are you?Perhaps I'm just not as judgemental as you.Besides which I still feel that we tend to play the blame game far too easily.

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A reward for finding an assumed abducted child? Is this what society has become, we need to ply people with rewards to find a child?

Horrible, nightmare story, but I agree on the media debacle over it vs all the other abducted people around the world, all the people being killed round the world. I guess its a good diversion from Iraq and the like though...I mean we are all bored of hearing how many hundred people have been killed in marketplace x each day.

Sad thing about the media I suppose, that the only stories that are going to do well are the ones that can get people emotionally charged. I think this inequality of the value of one persons life to another can be summed up with the old 'a single death a tragedy, a million is a statistic'.

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...name_page.html

Possible sighting.

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I went to a wedding night party last night and there was a toddler there that made me think god that looks like Maddy. I think a lot of cute 3 year old of the same colouring look very similar. I hope she is safe and well obviously and pray she is found and returned home soon

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There will probably be lots of 'sightings' and each one will raise hopes and need to be followed up. I just hope that police police time isn't going to be wasted because of claims published in the media to fill air time or boost sales.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1811160.ece

Interesting article.

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Precisely and its very pathetic. Blaming the parents, whilst Maddie is still missing, is a highly insensitive thing to do at the moment but what do some people care eh Incog!?!? :dozey: At least there is some of us who can display compassion when its necessary at this current time.

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Not really pathethic, just a difference of opinion. I can find your opinion pathetic but I won't say it (if you know what I mean). I will blame the parents, I hope they will be held accountable no matter what the outcome is. (I do hope she's found ofc). They are responsible and they should tried like anyone else for the crime of neglect. That's a fact no one can or should ignore.

Edit (added).
Does it bother anyone that the parents still have 2 other children in their (lack of) care, is that all of a sudden ok to accept. This is a social class dividence with a hint of hysteria, a bit of Diana syndrome, tiny amount of personal guilt complex thrown in and you end up with a farce of a circus it all is now.

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Yes indeed and really pathetic.

I choose to ignore it because it not the correct time to start pointing the finger, you can call my opinion pathetic all you like, at least I know how to show respect and compassion, unlike some in this thread.

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I can accept your opinion Mick, but it's opposite to mine so I'm not in anyway fit to questions yours and so it would be meaningless anyway don't you think.

Btw I've added to my original post, I hope you didn't miss that either.

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We will just have to agree to disagree. We don't know all the facts and we cannot rely on the media alone to start making judgements which some have been doing and are still doing.

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No we don't know all the facts, but I don't think I'm any less worried about the poor girl than you either, to be told that I care less and I'm an inconsiderate person and that I don't have any compassion is blatantly judgemental to me which I could take offence with.

I don't have to ignore the facts that I have been told, they are responsible. I don't ignore the fact that she's still missing either.

When the news come on now, I tend to switch over because it's the same old no different news, ramming it down my throat, asking for donations etc etc, constant bambardment I consider a negative rather than a positive, but hey if it works for you then you are the target audience and it's had a positive aspect which is all well and good.

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Being a grandparent of two children, and three children of my own, l feel very angry at people in this forum that are having a go at the parents of missing Maddie, we all make mistakes EVERYONE on this forum have made mistakes, BIG mistakes that they regret afterwards, we all know that they could have used the creche on the resort by Warners, but they chose not do, they kept a check on the kids every half an hour, there were reports that there was suspicoius charactors lurking about, the parents are going through hell, and don't you think that they could be saying ' why didn't we check' over and over again, there is some *******/s out there who knows where Maddie is, but the won't say, so instead of some forum members slagging the parents off, they should try and help the millions of people trying to find her, via the internet, - she has to be somewhere. - l am sorry if l have offended some members, but, as l have said we ALL makes mistakes, and l have made a few.

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Probably the best post in this thread by far. We all make mistakes, we all cannot keep an eye on our kids as much as we like 24/7.

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I'll second that

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Now that's a mistake thats of extreme proportion don't you think. What did they say "Let leave them for our nice meal", "But what about the reports", "It's ok, nothing like that happen to us decent folk", "Ok, let's go".

Is that a good enough excuse - that 'we' all make mistakes? "Oh I left the light on, I gambled £20 on the horses, oh left the kids alone while I went out to entertain myself". Doesn't cut it for me I'm afraid.

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None of your over judgemental, (without knowing all the facts) posts cuts it for me either.

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That's fine I didn't epect you to agree, we already agreed that earlier. I answered in response to a post, it was my opinion, nothing more, I know it won't sit well and I know the people that are opposite will totally disagree.

It's besides the point. It's still my opinion.

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Don`t you think that in this day and age, that people should`nt have to worry about their kids getting abducted or abused?
Let`s put this into some kind of perspective and lay full blame at the doors of the human rights do-gooders and the law courts for not laying down stiffer jail sentences for the peadophiles and the rest of the **** which blight our society.
If there was more deterrant, there would be less crime in general, not just child abduction. Lets get away from this drug, gun, rap culture, it`s not us is it.:erm:

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It's not just a mistake it's downright irresponsibility. Never mind reports of suspicious characters, you do not leave children of that age on their own and go out for a meal under any circumstances. There also seems to be some implication in this thread that mentioning this fact is somehow hampering the search or showing a less caring attitude towards the missing girl. Can anyone explain the logic behind this?

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If this was an old person going missing nobody would care. I agree with cr. Total irresponsibility on the part of the parents. I hope when things are sorted out that they will take the parents to task. Please sign my petition for another cause that will affect each and every one of us at some stage in our lives: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Continuing-Care/ probably nobody will bother because it is to do with sick and elderly people and not a pretty little girl. I have the government breaking the law once again to save money from their own private purse. I am responsible but they don't give a s**t. Well that's life.

Kind Regards,

Stephen (Johnson).

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Very.


I thought the MSN News blog I quoted earlier was very good too.

(http://msnukhomepage.spaces.live.com/)


Someone on another forum I visit has pointed out that the Madeleine story is now listed as an example of this.

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Blame who you want in your safe homes with you kids
http://www.bringmadeleinehome.com/im...x124Banner.jpg

Take a good long look at that face, and let only the totally pure and innocent cast the first stone at the parents :(

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Some people say on this thread 'you can't look after your kids 24/7'. My ex wife and I did with our three daughters and we never had a problem because we had common sense, even at the age of 23 when we became parents.

Kind Regards,

Stephen (Johnson).

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Ex wife? so something was wrong.

So its all there fault, nothing to do with the perve that abducted her???
You must have a shallow life :(

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Of course it's not all their fault (assuming that she has been abducted by a 'perv'). Do you not agree though that going out for a meal and leaving children of that age on their own is completely unacceptable behavior?

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:rolleyes:

If she was a deformed freak from a single mother on the opposite social scale, who makes a habit of leaving her child alone, would you feel the same? Probably not, because you wouldn't have had the media coverage, nor the sigs, nor the ads, nor the headlines etc etc etc.

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I would feel the same about any child, wouldnt you ???

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Very interesting link, it sounds crazy but it really does fit with what's happening these days.

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You misunderstood my post and answered with a question, but you chose to ignore it anyway.

My answer would be slightly different, because of the angle I'd have heard, I'd still feel sorry for the little un, just as much as I feel for maddie. But the unfit parent would have been vilified don't you agree, the outcome would be sllightly different to what's happening now. But it would have been blamed on the social services or something wouldn't it.

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Off topic posts removed. Please start a new topic to discuss things totally unrelated to this missing girl.

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Well the point is there are that many children dying every day with no mention whatsoever in the media and yet you have this ridiculous response to one who is white and pretty. Obviously I hope she's ok (who wouldn't?) but this guilt by proxy sensationalism designed to sell newspapers is becoming a bit tiresome.

http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Poverty/death/

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How do we know a perve abducted her? With regard to my marriage it was a mutual agreement and my children did not suffer. My ex wife and I are extremely good friends and still look after our three girls even though the eldest is almost 30.

Mr. Moderator - I hope this is sticking to the point????????????????????????????????????????

Kind Regards,

Stephen (Johnson).

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Same here.


I often have News24 or Sky News on in the background if I'm not watching something specific, but haven't done so much recently, 'cos quite frankly I'm bored of the constant OTT media coverage (if that makes me sound like a miserable uncaring ass then so be it - why should I care more for her than any other? What makes this particular case so special? What about all the others?). It seems that nothing else is being reported.

Reminds me of when Diana died, all the OTT media frenzy & obsessive grief, pushing all other stories out of the news, all the people getting so worked up & emotional about someone they had never met & they had nothing to do with.




:tu:



It appears to be the most likely thing, based upon the information available to the public so far.


Doesn't seem that she was taken for ransom, & the only other "reasons" she would have been taken are not ones which in any way could lead to a happy outcome.



As it has been over a fortnight now I think that it is surely most likely that Madeleine is dead already rather than safe & well as hoped by all, or is being kept alive for reasons which could be considered worse than death :(

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I think that everyone is going past the point that was made about Maddie, there has been no suggestion that she has been abducted by a 'p', but the suggestion has been said that she has been taken by 'someone/s' who deal in child trafficking, no one has suggested she has been taken by the low lifes of this world, which the court's tend to treat with kid gloves, that are back on the streets within a couple of years, and also remember that as this forum, is l believe that is shown round all cable areas, it is rather sick and insensitive to say or even suggest that she may be 'D' as relatives may read these forums, all we have to hope and pray is that she is safe and well, and we ALL look forward to having her back with her family -and yes, the McCann did make a mistake, and they are damn well paying for it in the worst way possible.

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Those who are whinging about the extensive media coverage, you have a choice, so use it. You are not being forced to watch something at gun point. :rolleyes:

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Very true but surely we're entitled to comment about it?

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What and let this thread sink further into the depths of lower morals, jeez, a girl is missing and all some can complain about is it being in the news too much. Whatever next? :rolleyes:

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Trafficking? Not seen that suggestion myself. And trafficked for what... could still end up in the hands of a "p".


How is it sick & insensitive to be realistic & admit that - as horrible as it is - she is probably dead by now (or "worse"). It's been 16 days now since Madeleine was abducted... which is an eternity...





True. And I do exercise that choice (I've been avoiding the papers, & switch over from News24/SkyNews whenever the Madeleine story comes on).

But it would be nice for the media to actually cover other *news* more, instead of this insane OTT media frenzy over the Madeleine story which we have at the moment (especially pointless as nothing else has actually happened... yet we still get "Live from the Algarve!" every x minutes). Other things are happening in the UK & the world which are more important, yet it seems that this is the only thing which is happening. And the media has behaved ridiculously.

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As I've said before, I feel really sorry for the poor girl and hope she's ok. It doesn't take away the fact that her parents were disgracefully negligent. And why she should be so much better than all the other children who will die today is incomprehensible. Hey but I hope it makes you feel better Mick.

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More important things happening you say and the media are not covering it, funny I've seen the following reported recently....

Gordon Brown is the New Prime Minister, in waiting.

Tony Blair's surprise visit to Iraq, whilst at the same time two morter bomb explosions rock the city.

Majority of the news being reported, (Yes there is actually other news being reported, despite what you say) is politics, usual drivel then, so this is more important happenings than Maddie going missing? :erm:

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Has anything new happened with Maddie, that needs to be reported?

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You cannot start to argue about every child on the planet that might of died today. Because tomorrow is another day and then the day after that, deaths due to accident or natural causes cannot be prevented and it will inevitably go on 365 days a year, it holds no bearing on this topic.

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Is anything new being reported?

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Well, you answered your own question earlier, what about answering mine ;)

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but avoidable deaths do ,and highlighting ways to keep children safer could save lives and make a positive difference

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[QUOTE=Mick;34309464]You cannot start to argue about every child on the planet that might of died today. Because tomorrow is another day and then the day after that, deaths due to accident or natural causes cannot be prevented and it will inevitably go on 365 days a year, it holds no bearing on this topic.

Doh!

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I know that other stuff is being covered.


However, it is not being covered anywhere near as much as the Madeleine story - especially considering that nothing else has actually happened.


And, yes, I do believe that the other stuff is more important.


I believe that covering the whole "Next PM" thing is more important than endless OTT non-updates regarding the abduction of one girl.

I believe that covering today's mortar attacks in Iraq is more important.

I believe that covering the ongoing violence in Iraq is more important.

I believe that covering the UK & US soldiers killed in Iraq & the US soldiers abducted in Iraq is more important.

I believe the fall of Paul Wolfowitz is more important.

Etc. etc. etc.

While the Madeliene story is sad & sickening, & I hope (though doubt) that she will be found alive & well, at the end of the day, in the grand scheme of things, it is only really important to her family.


And the UK media has, as usual, behaved terribly.


No.


And ones which are not accidental or natural causes?

What about the 450+ young people who have gone missing in the UK since Madeleine was taken?

What about the insane numbers of children regularly abducted in Africa to be used as child slaves or sex slaves or child soldiers?


Where is their media frenzy, where is their "fighting fund" & celebrity appeal & so on?

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I believe this fund is for all people that are in the same situation :confused:

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Again you've totally missed the point made.

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It is the "Madeleine Fighting Fund".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6662723.stm


Its purpose is "to help cover escalating costs in the search for missing Madeleine McCann."



Only leftover funds not required for successfully finding Madeleine will then be used for others in the same situation.


"It was also announced that any money raised not needed for the search for Madeleine would be used to help find missing children in the UK, Portugal and elsewhere.

'If, as a result of this fund, and as a result of getting Madeleine back, we can help other families in a similar situation that would be fantastic,' Mr McCann added."

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I cant see how, the fund will help all parents that have lost there children

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Only if there is any money left after Madeleine is successfully found.

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Well i hope and pray she is ok.

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And you can back that number up with what?

I believe the Comic Relief funds and other well known charitable causes go towards in trying to eradicate such devastating crimes.


Well I don't. How disturbing that you feel the usual political infighting that is usually the normal news becomes more important than a childs life, shame on you Matt. :td:


I don't know, why don't you ask Bob Geldof and U2's frontman Bono? Aren't they celebrity enough for you?

Anyway, getting back to the point about the 450+ people who *you* say have gone missing since Maddie went missing, I do hope you can back this figure up and its not some over exaggerated, made up figure by you.

Another point to consider, people who usually vanish or disappear and are classed as missing are usually people who have ran away from home. Maddie is a 4 year old girl, who has been *abducted* whilst on holiday, she is not someone who decided to be in this predicament, so this has created a unique set of circumstances to which the media have decided to take a great interest in. I'm surprised I've had to spell out the obvious really.

Also, those people who go missing everyday, I doubt any of them are 4 year old girls. Or we would be seeing more reports of missing young children don't you think?

The Status Quo usually in this Country, when a young child goes missing, is that it does become headline news. Sarah Payne? Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman?

What needs to be reported? That should be simple - The news about how the Maddie incident is still going on.

"Doh!" What? If you are going to add a response make sure its of meaningful value for a response. :rolleyes:

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The National Missing Persons Helpline.

http://nmph.underwired.com/news.php?itemid=143


The link came from the MSN article I previously posted.

http://msnukhomepage.spaces.live.com/


... and is only ever briefly in the news once every two years, around the time of Red Nose Day.



I didn't mention "the usual political infighting"...

And I fail to see how the news (or lack of) regarding the abduction of a single child is more important than news about important events which affect this country as a whole, & important events in other parts of the world.

I was not talking about the importance of a child's life. I was talking about the importance of news regarding that child's life.


Personally, I can't stand either of them, however they do both do a lot for very good causes.

Although Live8 was a few years ago, & was more about debt relief etc., plus the G8 seem to have conveniently forgotten their promises.


And, again, there is no major news presence, no real public awareness, of the African child abduction issue, no big campaign in the media with loads of celebs speaking out, etc.

And none either for all the missing people in the UK.


National Missing Persons Helpline (as above).



Of course they've taken a great interest. It sells papers, & it gets TV ratings.

So, as per usual for the British media, they've gone OTT in some crazed media frenzy. Not helped by the Portuguese police having the cheek to actually tend to keep quiet & get on with things, rather than give the constant briefings & leaks that the British media are accustomed to. And not helped by the press being unused to the cultural & legal differences there.

The MSN blog I linked to earlier says more about the media problems. And the Time article someone else linked to earlier makes good points about the story & the national obsession - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1811160.ece

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Not quite sure why you keep bringing the 'Missing' persons arguement into this, as I have pointed out to you which you have appeared to conveniently ignore, perhaps most of these missing people, are people who have run away by *Free Will* this is the difference here between *missing* and being *abducted*.

Being abducted is a more serious problem than someone just being missing, its not the same thing, because one is being held against their own will, missing people may have just decided to run away from their lives and other people, and they may not necessarily be in any immediate danger.

I haven't actually disputed that the media have gone wild over this or have really helped.

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Sentiment aside I think it's worth pointing out that neither Bob Geldof nor Bono offer financial recompense to anyone with the explicit caveat that the distribution of same is wholly dependant on "the safe return" of anyone. I think the turn of phrase is "hedging your bets".

Not being a betting man I find it somewhat bizarre, though entirely predictable, that the cult of celebrity has of late been spewing forth do gooders offering money on that basis when, statistically, the chances of Madeline McCann turning up "safe" diminish by the minute.

As far as the McCanns are concerned this is working / will work out to be quite an expensive tapas meal by anyones account - irrespective of the outcome.

I hope the child does turn up safe and well - but, sadly, experience suggests that she wont.

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2007/05/24.jpg

Come on Mick - every one of us shares the same pain - you're not the only one heartbroken, it's time you realised that.

This whole Maddy issue is horrible. People have views and opinions though. Right or wrong, no-one on this forum wishes any harm to Maddy. It's full of parents.. children. Real people.
Some may seem mis-led to you. Fair dues.
Some might make a right balls of what they're trying to say, but at least they're here trying to say something, not ignoring it, but you want to stifle that. Ditch the one man quest thing and let people have their say for goodness sake.

I reiterate what I said pages ago - I guarantee no-one wishes Maddy any harm and would like nothing more than to see her returned unharmed. Nads to the semantics. Every single one of us wants that baby home.

You on the other hand are starting to sound a tad unhinged.
You're not helping one bit, I'm afraid - you're just making people argue - just perpetuating it?
:shrug:

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For goodness sake nothing - I am not on any one man quest thing and I haven't stifled anyones views, so you are infact incorrect there, people have been coming and going and having their say and they haven't been prevented from saying their views and I am having mine! (If you don't mind). This is what a forum is for, a bloody debate and I can be as vocal as I want to be, its not against the rules.

Btw, I haven't been 'Owned' (A real mature term, not :rolleyes:) at all and I certainly don't feel (Owned) - FYI: I am failing to see the relevancy of the Missing persons arguement. Maddie has been abducted, people who go missing in the UK everyday, are more than likely to do so at their own free will, this is the obvious difference.

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Fine.
I'm done.

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Perhaps you should of read the post linked below then: As I have already explained myself with that one. This is an old issue you are ressurrecting, do keep up. :rolleyes:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34307807-post261.html

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Mike im sorry but your posting style in this thread has been very aggressive. You continue to openly dismiss other peoples view sometimes as pathetic ignorant obnoxious. A couple of posts ago you put shame on Matt. I for one have found it very difficult to see the line between you posting as an Admin and a regular poster. Yes you have the right to express your views as forcefully as you wish but you also have to remember you meant to lead from example. I mean no offence and im trying to offer this as a balanced point of view.

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I fully acknowledge that abduction, especially child abduction, is an extremely serious & heinous crime.

I brought "missing children" into it because IMO it is important - my point about it has been why all the media for Madeleine, & never for all the other missing children?

And the NMPH seems to consider it to be important, too. They've been hoping that the Madeleine story will help raise the overall issue of missing children, & have even been met with by members of the McCann family (who find it "greatly reassuring" that there is "a charity, the National Missing Persons Helpline, looking for all the other missing people...Missing is an issue for every one of us.")

http://nmph.underwired.com/news.php?itemid=145

btw, it seems the number has jumped since the last story I linked to... the no. gone missing since Madeleine was abducted is now "over 750" rather than 450 (above link).



Each of those missing youngsters is going to be someone's son, someone's daughter, etc.


Even if most of them are runaways, there are going to be *some* who did not become missing out of their own free will.

And of those who are runaways, it is not as if it is always simple "free will". Many leave to e.g. escape physically or sexually abusive parents, etc. They don't really have a choice (apart from perhaps a Hobson's choice). And then they end up on the streets, & get abused by someone else...

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Nope. I have been assertive. Nothing wrong with being assertive. :)

If I was posting as an Admin, I would be making certain requests, this is the obvious difference between Admin mode and my personal views. It's not very difficult at all to know when I am posting in Admin mode and my own personal view mode. But in any case, I cannot really act in ADMIN mode on this thread, due to my heavy participation.

And to clarify my first post in this thread, which some people are repeatedly too quick to keep pointing out - The very first thing I said in this thread was that the blame will stop, yes, then and only then was I acting in official Admin mode, it was my first post, but since I began to participate, I have not at all since then, acted in Admin mode or told anyone to stop relaying their views. But as I said, noone took a blind bit of notice anyway, so not quite sure why some people are throwing this back at me when in the first place, it was ignored.

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assertive aggression that is seen in perception ive seen your stance as aggressive and I admit it can be wrong because its in type. But that knife cuts both ways and how my views are perceived by others in there was and just as i can get you wrong you can get me wrong also.I strongly feel if I had posted as strongly as you have using the terminology you have I would have been warned now or moderated at the very least and told to calm down. It does not matter if its meant aggressively it matters how it perceived. Who moderates you Mike?
I am really upset by whats happened to maddy but ive tried to get a point across that could stop it happening again ive explained it quite clearly but my opinions and views have just been totally dismissed by you which is just a shame. Ive not said anything about punishing the parents . I have said they should have not left them alone and I stand by that.

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Sorry, but if you understand the concept between being, assertive, passive and aggressive, it should be known that you can only be one and not both. I have been assertive in this thread. I am standing up for my views, whilst allowing others to voice their views.

No you wouldn't because none of my posts breaks the T+C. Yes I have been quite vocal, but that isn't against the rules. I think you have been just as vocal from the outset in this thread, you haven't been warned at all now have you?

Don't mean to picky but I'm noticing you keep calling me Mike, It's Mick btw. Again, I ain't been aggressive, I have been assertive and stayed within the confines of this sites terms of use that absolutely still apply to me, even though I even wrote some of them myself.

You're not going to do that posting on an internet discussion forum. Never and you would be foolishly naive to think otherwise.

I haven't dismissed your views, I simply don't agree that it is right to be so judgemental at this current stage of Maddie's abduction and I have quite clearly justified why I don't agree with you and others who post the same view. If I was dismissing such views, I wouldn't offer you a reason for doing so, I'd just simply say 'Wrong' and not offer any explanation.

I'm going to back away from this thread for a while because whilst I have been quite vocal - I do agree that others need to express their views, so I'll unsubscribe for now.

I think part of the problem is that some are being put out that I can be quite vocal, for a team member, this is who I am and I am not always as active as I have been these last few weeks and if people remember me from the early nthw days (2001 onwards), I was just the same then and I wasn't on the team then and I didn't have the same issues like I am having now. When I am deep in debate, some people need to ignore my avatar, I am speaking as a person, not an admin. If I was speaking as an admin, I wouldn't be participating in the thread.

Peace.

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D'oh as in your comment on my link to the deaths of 25000 children per day, mainly from hunger, thirst and disease, was "deaths due to accident or natural causes cannot be prevented".

It's amazing how you can be so compassionate about one girl who's in the media and yet so dismissive of the rest.

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I am a father to 5, I also have 2 step children. As a parent I am saddened that some people who want to come across as caring actually come across as not giving a sh**.

We should all feel for the parents of Maddy. God only knows what they are going through, and we cant forget all the other unfortunate kids who have gone missing. But there is a difference, Maddy has been abducted, some sicko has taken a 4yr old. Of the many hundreds of children that have gone missing since this happened a very small minority, if none have been abducted. Many of those have been p!$$ed at parents, going through hormonal changes, depression and have decided to take leave of their situation and sod off. (I know I have been in a simular situation and took a walk)

As stated in other posts we all know what the outcome is going to be, of that it a certainty. But the vast majority of the other missing kids will eventually turn up, maybe a bit better off for what they went through maybe not.
I understood this thread to be about Maddy not those other unfortunate ones. Having a pop or arguing over issues that are not relevant isnt helping anyone.

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I don't think that any decent person would not be wishing for the safe return of this child, although unfortunately that's looking more improbable the longer it goes on.

However why is it that mentioning the fact that the parents were disgracefully negligent to go out for a meal and leave such young children alone, or pointing out that the newspaper's sickening competition to show as much grief (sell as many papers) as possible is a bit hypocritical seeing as how they ignore much worse things (check out my link to the 25000 who die each day from hunger, unbelievably dismissed by Mick as "deaths due to accident or natural causes cannot be prevented") seems to cause some people to start foaming at the mouth with rage? These are relevant issues to the case and my mentioning them doesn't mean I care any less about the child's well-being than anyone else, it's just that I haven't been sucked in to the media frenzy.

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I think we're all hoping and praying that she is found alive.

I can't help thinking of the Farepack thread as an analogy of the hype one case can create. The media jumped all over it and there were hugh offers of support and donations for the people who lost money. But millions of people are scammed in the country/world every day with no such high profile offer of help.

However, if it was my kid, no stone would be left unturned and no offer would be turned down.

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because, until it can be proved that such discussion will help us find this little girl, it is irrelevant to achieving that aim, we should be supporting those looking for answers, not 'looking back in anger', in my opinion ...

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Well admittedly discussing it is not going to help find her, but neither are most of the things which are going on - how about the raising of the reward money from £1 million to £2.5 million - I mean, as if someone is going to have information but be holding out for the extra million and a half. I'm afraid it just an exercise, well intentioned by most people I'm sure, in showing how much grief people can display.

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Im just wondering if you got kids c_r?

I mean what would your stance\position be if it were a child of yours? Or maybe a relative of yours, 4 yrs old, abducted, subjected to christ knows what. Would you still sit there on your computer berating those that would be saying the same things or would you cross over to the other side of the fence?

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If one of those increased rewards had resulted in her being found, would you have been so dismissive?

Please can we stop arguing amongst ourselves, & focus on the main topic that we need to find where this child is and get her returned to her parents.

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I'm pretty confident that she will not be found as a direct result of someone gazing at the black and white photocopied poster attached, by blu-tack no less, to the central pillar of the middle exit door of the Tesco Metro in Belfast's Royal Avenue - but that's just the cynic in me.

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A minute for Madeleine

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...name_page.html

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This? :Yikes:

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this has to be the biggest ever suck in from a spam email in history

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This was an email send by the fund:

"The fund had to be set up as a limited company as it was denied charity status due to it not being viewed as being for "the greater good of all"

Independent on Sunday

They "might divert" some of the money from the fighting fund to detection process.

Why don't I like the sound of the above?

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You are probably right Zing, but some people might like to feel they have done their small part to help, by doing this.

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While we all want to see her safely returned, the thread is a discussion about her abduction, and in particular (as per the first post) about how irresponsible her parents were. I very much doubt that any post in this thread is going to result in her being found.
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---------- Post added at 12:33 ---------- Previous post was at 12:02 ----------

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...name_page.html

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actually, just for your info, surprisingly, there is a term 'passive aggression'. so technically you can be passive and aggressive at the same time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive...ssive_behavior

"The term "passive-aggressive" was first used by the U.S. military during World War II, when military psychiatrists noted the behavior of soldiers who displayed passive resistance and reluctant compliance to orders"

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That's a disorder usually attached to one who has problems with doing chores - However, the term used was assertive aggression, not passive aggression. If you are being assertive, you cannot be aggressive as well. :rolleyes:

Anyway - this has no bearing at all on the topic.

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here ya go Mick me thinks your wrong ;)
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assertive

and I very happily quote point 1 Assertive .

1.confidently aggressive or self-assured; positive: aggressive; dogmatic: He is too assertive as a salesman.

I thank you very much

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It has been done before....

http://www.owned.com/Owned_Pictures/...Pain_Owned.jpg

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I've had enough of this bickering...:(

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Don't read it then ??? :confused: Unless you like to stir the pot of course.

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