Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

There (properly) won't be a hardware update till Jan 09 now, but Apple may well introduce a 32gig version before Christmas..

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mms is just an app so I guess o2 might introduce this themselves along with other bits.

New iphone Coming to o2 July 11th - Website says more details out tommorow.
I'll have mine un locked and jailbroken and on ebay by then :-)

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I hope that there is an upgrade policy, otherwise $199 isnt too bad as long as there is not a massive UK rip-of charge.

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According to Gizmodo, if you buy a new iPhone, you need a new contract but it will overwrite your old one. Also, if you bought an iPhone after 27th May, you get a free upgrade.

http://gizmodo.com/5014748/confirmed...3g-iphone-free

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Let's hope they introduce the same in the UK, and give us the rip-off uk prices soon (and hope they not too much of a rip-off)

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Some interesting info about the US pricing and activation.

1. Can go with any standard plan for AT&T (so presumably O2)
2. Can only activate in store

http://gizmodo.com/5014764/iphone-3g...-in-store-only

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Interesting news for unlockers....

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

This makes sense, I heard before that AT&T were no longer sharing the income from contracts with Apple, and in return were paying more for the phones. They properly do not want to pay for each handset only for the phone to be unlocked...

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Can the iPhone play macromedia flash videos, unlike the itouch?

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Yeah ! - Have 2 people interested in my old iphone so 3g / 16gb here I come :

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Unlikely. Apart from the phone features. it uses the same system software. I think the reason is that Apple do not allow any program running on the iPod/iPhone to run any compiled or interpreted code, which is also the reason why Sun have not released Java (although they are apparently ready to, they don't have permission).

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Flash for iphone is in the works an probably due for a July Launch.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

I did say I think...

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That is very good news :D :D

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They are still going for almost £300 on ebay so that will be my first point of call when I get in.

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You will be waiting a while for the headless chickens, er I mean managers at O2 to decide on an upgrade policy. It took them ages to sort out upgrades, MNP (Porting) and email set up when the original was released.

They apparently set up a 'war room' for unsolved problems and the like. Us customer service advisors, assumed that there would be a bunch of gurus in there sorting the problems out. Guess what? Nope there wasn't. It was nothing but an email inbox where the issues were passed to iPhone super advisors. The super advisors knew nothing at all. Most of the normal customer service advisors came to me for help. Lol :)

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

I noticed the £99 was for new customers as well?

So the USA to UK price actually stayed the same for once, even with VAT!

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Upgrade policy has been up since this morning:

http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone/existingiphonecustomers

We are actually getting it about a pound cheaper than the yanks.

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New iPhone:

Contract: 18 Months
iPhone Cost: Free
Monthly Cost: £75
Total: £1,350

Or

Contract: 18 Months
iPhone Cost: Free
Monthly Cost: £45
Total: £810

Or

Contract: 18 Months
iPhone Cost: £99
Monthly Cost: £30
Total: £639


And that's just for starters....

No voice call / data charges have been included.

It's an awful lot of money for phone!

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

Data is included (and unlimited subject to fair use). The £30 tariff includes 600 minutes, and the 45 includes 1200 minutes. Even at peak rates, a lot of people I know would be hard pushed to use 1200 minutes a month.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

Well, yeah. But that is the same with all contract phones. £30 is around the standard contract price. The only difference is paying £99 for the handset but quite a lot of expensive phones do this, the N95 did as well.

I think you need to compare the 18 month price to a similar phone/plan (unlimited data on 3G) to be fair and in that case they are quite equal.

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Unlimited data - arrrrgghhhh there goes the marketing speak again! There ain't no such thing!

As I pointed out to a sales person in O2 on Saturday - tried to tell me it was unlimited until I pointed out what the ****'s were next to the description...

Oh look - "Subject to fair use policy" - which was 100MB - unlimited my bottom!!!!

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

http://www.o2.co.uk/termsconditions/iphone

No mention of 100mb on their site.

So unlimited as long as you don't push it so far as it impact upon the network. Unless you are going to somehow be using your phone to newgroup films and tv shows you pretty much have unlimited.

There was a 100mb limit before the phone arrived but O2 removed that, so I presume the documentation was old.

Anyway the point is the iPhone is no more expensive that similar phones/price plans on the market.

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Without having a go, no wait I am going to anyway.

Saying that the phone costs £700 plus is moronic.

The phone now costs £99. Like all premium phones this is tied to a contract which in this case is 18 months. For my £35 I get unlimited cloud wifi (plus bt openzone coming online on July 11th), plus unlimited edge (on my new 3g iphone I'll get unlimited 3g as well). I also get 600 minutes and 200 texts which is more that I have ever used so I have complete peace of mind that I can use the phone as much as I want to with no extra charge.

I've used 25.2mb data down and 122mb data up since I've had it (9 months and 1day and it does not count wi-fi in that).

If you think it's expensive then don't buy it. I'm happy to have spent money on the phone, happy with the monthly cost and service and happy enough to have ordered the new one since this one has performed better than any mobile/smartphone I have used.

No that's a reasonable amount of money for a good contract.
Sky+ tv basic £371 or (£149 for the box plus £30 install plus £16 per month x12)
Virgin 20mb Broadband £312 (£26 per month)

It is always going to look more if you add up the TCO.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

It wasn't an iPhone we were discussing in the shop! ;)

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Actually annoyingly the iPhone O2 tariffs are cheaper than their non-iPhone O2 tariffs.

£35 gives you 600 mins, 500 texts and unlimited data and wifi. To get that on a non-iPhone you need to pay £42.50 (although you get 1000 texts). Basically with iPhone you get a free bolt-on.

They did say way you could get an iPhone tariff on a non-iPhone phone, but I can't see how you add it up on the website.

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Before the iPhone had worse minutes, but they fixed that since. The free bolt on is unlimited data? If so, that was a limit requested by Apple otherwise the iPhone is sorta pointless

I think Apple are changing tact and instead trying to get the iPhone out in as many hands as possible in order to make money from the AppStore, iTunes and such.

They made the unit cheaper and are not taking a share of the contract price anymore.

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The free bolt-on is unlimited wifi or unlimited data. It doesn't matter which, they both cost the same.

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and 12 months on they have got to all the early adopters that were prepared to pay a premium for that early adoption. Now they are finding that by comparison to other high end handsets the sticker shock in the store is putting people off buying. The average consumer probably notices five to ten quid a months on their bill far less than a hundred quid a the checkout of the O2 Store.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

I'm well tempted with this, it is only because I didn't check the store opening times that I didn't bag one when they had the price drop. The following day I put my 'level head' on lol.

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The price for the 3g iphone on PAYG by o2 was leaked on the net today and revealed at £299 for the 8gb and £399 for the 16.

Free browsing for the first 6 months then £10 per month.

It was on o2's site for a few hours then taken down - someone managed to capture this screenie before it vanished - http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?i...eo2paygbt3.png

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Had a look at the Apple UK store last week and the 3G iphones were listed with prices (£199 for the 16GB if I remember rightly) and the option to add to basket. Now of course it has changed and merely provides a link to where you can buy one from a third party. I'm assuming this was some sort of mistake.

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That's right. The new iPhone is not and won't ever be available from Apple. It would have to be sourced through O2 or CPW. This is because it has to be activated on purchase or obtained after completing a contract agreement.

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Thought I was seeing things but I did check that the prices were definitely GBP and that it was the UK store. Someone at Apple must have dropped a clanger.

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O2 are doing it Pay-as-you-go.

I would have thought Apple would be punting them at the same price via their site.

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So no more "Buy in a store, take home & Jailbreak" then?

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Prices are £99 for 8gig, £159 for 16gig if you get with O2.

You have to get these versions because they are activated in store as Punky said, this is because O2 are now subsidising the phone and don't want to be paying for iPhones where they will not receive contract income.

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Essientially, yes. There's still no official word on the policy yet. Also sometimes the references refer to AT&T, O2 or both. The latest is that the phones will be sent to the store bricked, and then the store will have custom software which will unbrick it.

The reference before that said that you can walk away from an AT&T store with an iPhone and without a contract, but if will brick itself if its not activated within 30 days.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

Anyone know if the PAYG phones would be locked to the network? I wouldn't mind using one of these to replace my extremely dodgy windows smartphone which is actually on Orange. Mainly for the push email functionality.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

Ta. Makes sense if they're subsidising it.


I am quite tempted, now it has 3G & HSDPA etc.


Although, luckily for my wallet, I still have a fair while left (just over a year! Damn 18 month contract lol) on my T-Mob N95 contract, so can't go off & make an iPhone impulse buy. Heh, never know, by the time my contract is out, Apple may have brought out a 3rd one that actually has a decent camera.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

I didn't check Giz today, there is some more info out now, albeit its AT&T specific. You'll probably still need to wait until its out to find out what's really going to happen.

People are already talking about the next iPhone. There are rumours about the next iPhone in 2010... It might have the new Atom processor. Think of that.... A phone that's got the computing power of a 1.6ghz Celeron :)

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

Maybe then it'll have the power to be able to copy & paste heh

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According to the text from O2 this morning your can order an iPhone from 8:00AM.

Of course seeing they've only had a month or so to prepare their website has fallen over and it's not working. :td:

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

I was on at 8.30 and it was working fine:)

I really want one but I only just upgraded my T-Mobile contract in May so am stuck with that for 10months:(

Can't really afford to pay two contracts together.

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I just rang my mate up at the Skypark in Glasgow and they know nothing about being able to order the new iPhone. Neither do the upgrades department or staff accounts (which I rang).

Seems there is some contradiction as O2's website clearly states that it's available to order (pre order), but their upgrade shop must of taken a heavy hit as the upgrade section of the site is down.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

Ooh its back.

Still slower than a slug thats been dipped in salt and nailed to the floor but its doing something, not sure what but it's doing something.
----
Ahh, so thats what its doing.

Must be time for a siesta for the website admins.

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Grrrr.

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it was also available on the cpw site. I've spoken to my local cpw who are getting a limited supply in available from 9am on Friday.

Cerby can you find out what the crack is with downgrading a contract. I might get the £45 per month one but would I be able to drop to £35 per month after say 6 months?

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Has anyone ordered one, or going to get one in the morning?

I really want one but need to find some way of getting out of my T-Mobile contract of which I have 9 months left still:(

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

The Application Store is up, some really cool apps!

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Got one and mine's waiting in store for me to pick up tomorrow. Having worked for O2 I knew a couple of the managers at the stores in Glasgow and got mine reserved. A little unfair I know. Reached my eligibility for upgrade as of tomorrow.

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Well it looks like I might have a long wait.

Got the text on Monday and tried 100's of times to pre-order with no success. Carphone warehouse wanted me to set up a brand new contract.
Called the call centre to be told that they would have some if I called back on Friday and I called up today to check and they are not getting any in on Friday just a few per store.

My contract is in my GF's name as she bought me a phone many moons back so she's always had to sort out my upgrades in store (over the phone I can upgrade as I have the password etc).

GF cannot come to the store tomorrow because of work and Kendal o2 shop won't reserve one or let her complete any paperwork prior to the event and I could Q up for one.

Really hacked off, especially since I Q'd on the launch night to get one in the first place and paid full whack.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

If only I was able to get out of my contract, I might have seen if I could get you to reserve me one too;)

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

Could of done at a push, but there is no way I can see of getting you out of your remaining 9 months with T-Mob.

I could recommend a few things to try, but unlikely it would work. Obviously not going to recommend things you could try in public, there are other channels for that. ;)

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

Feel free to PM:D

Let us know what its like if you get time :)

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Gah. Long lines outside o2 Kendal - gawd knows what it's like in the larger towns and cities. Must have been 20-30 people in the line and the shop has been open an hour. Looks like I'm not getting one soon then.

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Got the last one from my local O2 store :D

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Dezzo, Did you get the 8GB or 16GB?
Which O2 store was it you went to?

I really like the look of the 16GB White one. I understand that it may only be available from some Apple stores. However as I need to wait a while I am sure I won't have trouble getting one in a few months.

Think I might sell my N95 and 16GB iPod Touch to cover the cost of paying off my contract and some of the cost of the 16GB iPhone on the £35 tariff:)

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

I'd have loved to get one but Claire can't sign for it today so having to wait till we can both go and that also has to coincide with the shops having stock.

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8GB from the Newton Mearns store. They had a grand total of 19 for sale today and only 2-3 16GB ones.

They did say a new batch arrives on Tuesday.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

Has anyone with a current iphone (non-3g) managed to upgrade their software to v2.0 via itunes yet?

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

I did yesterday using a leaked version, downloading the real version now.

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I just had to restore my touch to it's factory settings and now I can't get teh extra apps back that I paid for back in January :(

And it just comes up with a itunes store error when I try to grt v2....

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I keep getting "Your iphone is using the latest version 1.1.4" from itunes.... Its annoying me now

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

There is a monumental frak-up on Apple servers at the moment.

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managed to download it now.... its finished downloading but its taking a while to install *waits impatiently*

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

oh dear, you may have bricked your iPhone (although only for now). After it installs it needs to activate but there seems to be a problem with that stage. It may keep throwing up errors.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

Oh dear... cant do anything on my phone now...will only do emergency calls

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Well so long as its only temporary.... It will be going back to O2 if its permanent

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Its throwing up an error with the iTunes Store (not being able to access a particular part of it)

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

Mines failing to activate, even though it's an upgrade. Been trying most of the day. I was aware of a server glitch with O2's registration system, but that was resolved. Not a happy bunny so far and have already called the complaints dept. :(

@haydnwalker: Remove the SIM using the SIM ejection tool, wipe it with a soft dry clean cloth and place it abck in. See what happens. Should resolve the emergency calls issue.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

Yup, same errors are occuring all over the place. It's a problem with Apple servers. Keep trying, people do eventually get though.

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Do you mean a new iPhone or are you just upgrading the software? The software update though iTunes it going wrong.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

@cerberus: I'm just upgrading the software on my v1 iphone to v2.

Its been previously activated.

@damien: Thanks for the info

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

@Damien: I mean the iPhone itself.
:bigcry:

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

Just goes to show I guess that rushing probably wasn't the best idea

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I'm wondering whether to turn my phone off for now and try later

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

How are you activating? Is it though iTunes or though O2?

@haydnwalker

In iTunes you can force the phone to re-attempt to connect by pressing elsewhere in iTunes (say a playlist or the iTunes store) and then clicking your iPhone in the device list again.

Everyone else. DO NOT upgrade until these problems are solved.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

Through iTunes. Going to give my pal a wee call when he finishes work later.

As for everyone else not upgrading, that's going to be too easy to do as stock is limited. My pal at the O2 store in Glasgow isn't expecting anymore stock until next week (Thurs) at the earliest. Again they are only expected to have a few handsets delivered.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

I mean upgrading from iPhone OS 1 to iPhone OS 2 :p:

There are two problems happening:

• Users with the new iPhone are have trouble upgrading
• People with old iPhones are having trouble upgrading to the new software.

No one should attempt either until the problems are solved. It's seems the activation system is down and it handles the new iPhones and the old ones updating to new software.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

Yep another great plan by the headless chickens (managers) at O2. You would think they have a contingency for this, but alas as per... they don't!

Clueless doesn't even come into it.

@Damien, mine just isn't activated at all.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

I know about the click elsewhere then back damien... I'm just gonna give it a break for now.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

The problem will have been made worse due to the Americans getting up and buying iphones as well and trying to activate them. I would have thought that apple and the mobile companies could have made an app available to use in store to activate the phones locally without having to get onto the interweb to aples clogged servers.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

IMO all this just exposes Apple's vast inexperience yet again when it comes to the mobile market.

Thread title amended to a more appropriate one...

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This is not O2 it's Apple.

They have released a new phone that needs activating on ITMS, not only that they have released it in 22 countries, not the 7 of the Mk1 handset.
They have released the motherload 2.0 firmware for the old phone that is pounding their servers as 6m people download it and to rub salt in that wound it then requires activation on ITMS so that is two groups of people hitting the activation servers
They have released all these widgits to pound the servers as well.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

To be fair this is Launch day with all of the sold stock trying to activate it self at the same time. I'm sure Microsoft would have problems if when Vista launched many 100,000's of thousands of people tried to activate online.

My 1st gen iphone took 30 mins to activate on launch night when there was no where near as many getting activated. Certainly not 22 countries worth. Perhaps they should have staggered the launch to a country or so per day.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

I don't think it's inexperence, I think it's just idiocy. You don't need to be experenced to understand if it you are releasing a product world-wide, and software for all existing owners of the product online, all of which require activation that you should ensure your systems can handle it :rolleyes:

The phone itself has shown a lot of improvement they have made (app store, 3g, and so on) and allowing the price to come down. Which is shown by the massive demand for the iPhone. It's just this stupid activation :erm:

It's also unclear what is going on with O2. There seem to be having software troubles as do AT&T...

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

Launch day or not they have still brought out a phone with an extremely outdated camera - 2mp?? I remember getting a phone in 2006 with 2mp. Pictures are apparently easy to take - partly because it totally lacks any useful features such as a flash, macro, autofocus, etc that all of Apple's competitors include as standard.

OK it's more aimed at music and browsing usage but they have the cheek to call it a smartphone? Hang on, wasn't the 1st gen iPhone meant to be a smartphone too, with its 2G-only network?

I'm an unapologetic Nokia fan-boy and whereas the touch-screen feature is a good novelty, it'll take a few more attempts at a decent all-round phone from Apple to move me away from my 8gb N95.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

Think it's kind of unfair, the camera is it's worst point but the browsing, email, touch-screen, music and now applications are all very good and IMO better than what is on other phones.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

Not unfair when a good camera is what some people look for in a phone! It's a dying artform but video-calling....not available on the iphone either. For a phone which could have been so much better....it has not impressed me from what I've seen so far. Apple have made no attempt to hide they favour the US market when it comes to features, Nokia is more global. They get my vote.

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

Depends what you look for I guess but lacking one or two features you want only makes the phone a bad phone for you and not a bad phone for all as the demand is showing. Like I said, it is a lot better than the Nokia phones for a lot of features. I think they got all of it right now expect for the camera (and obviously this update thing).

The applications are very good and so is the touch screen. The iPod mode is the best music player on a phone as is the browser (helped by the screen). I have used a N95 and as good as it is, it is not coming close to the iPhone (now it has 3G anyway). :)

All I object to is the idea that the iPhone is a bad phone rather than simply a bad phone for some people because of the camera. (3g was the only way they did not take into account europe but thats fixed now)

WOOP mines activated!

re: The iPhone thread
 

I'm not saying it's a bad phone, just poorly organised and vastly overrated. Still, each to their own eh?

re: The iPhone thread
 

Sod the iphone look at these nifty little things... lol
http://www.electronic-king24.com/pro...-Support-.html

http://www.electronic-king24.com/pro...mic-Menu-.html

so simple little things, lol


Anyway, i don't think i can break away from my blackberry.. :( Soo much better then the iphone it seems, i would only get the iphone for browsing the web, lol

re: The iPhone thread
 

Indeed :D

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Should all be working now

re: The iPhone thread
 

re: The iPhone thread
 

lol!

re: The iPhone thread
 

Try activating now... I've left mine since 6pm and the activation thing is now working

re: The iPhone thread
 

Yeah, They fixed it a couple of hours or so ago...

re: The iPhone thread
 

Hows the battery life - did you get a spare?

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

I've had a 3g phone, my gf has and also our company uses 3g phones, all have videoing capability but across all of these none have used it. I guess apple actually looked at the usage and thought why bother. I've only ever seen video calling demoed twice , once when it was first launched and it was rubbish, the the 2nd time was you on a link to the first forum meet up in Manchester and that was hardly worth doing.

I *used the camera on my iphone for emailing pix and they were fine. When I want to take a picture of something I use my 10mp camera.

Almost the best thing about the iphone for me was the package it was one. I'm really looking forward to getting one again and having the new version and software. Using a good 'normal' phone (sony k850i) just is not cutting it.

re: The iPhone thread
 

can't remove the battery can u? lol

re: The iPhone thread
 

Not suprisingly iPhone 2.0 has already been cracked, on the original iPhone. The 3G version hasn't been cracked yet, but probably won't be long.

http://gizmodo.com/5023971/iphone-os-20-unlocked

re: The iPhone thread
 

Battery life seems a bit better on Original iPhone OS2

Re: iPhone Tips (was UK Release info)
 

If your k850 is unlocked I'm interested in it when you get the iPhone :)

re: The iPhone thread
 

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