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IvIaXiIvIuS 09-08-2005 06:09
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
So... NTL are planning yet another "free" upgrade with strings attached.Its just a shame that the new improved 10Mbps service will not be the fastest in the UK,BeUnlimited will be offering a 24Mbps service this autum NOT the end of year as NTL have planned.The new service offered by BeUnlimited is the first to use the trialed ADSL2+ and for under £30 for a unlimited service.this is not all they are going to offer to help you sign up.They are also offering a Thomson SpeedTouch 716g wireless router (which has two built in VoIP slots) free to customers. Normally RRP for the 716g is £116.99 including VAT.

read full story: http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=1672

So we valued consumers at NTL get a 10Mbps connection capped at 75gig for roughly £40 and a probability that we have to BUY our new modem to cope with the speed increase and the competators get a unlimited 24Mbps service and a modem worth £116(fr ee) for £30 a month.Guess NTL have missed the boat again on such a prized PR coup.
Now if NTL offered a unlimited service for £40 a month at the proposed 10Mbps speed then i for one wouldn't be looking into changing from NTL to another provider as NTL offer a more stable connection.

AndrewJ 09-08-2005 06:19
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
:welcome: good point I for one would not be buying another modem from NTL nor will I pay out extra then I am paying.

My GF pays the bills regarding NTL and like she says we shall only be paying £24,99.

Roy MM 09-08-2005 07:43
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
:welcome: to cable forum IvIaXiIvIuS,

i've just registered to Be, just a wait and see when my area becomes enabled.

Tuftus 09-08-2005 09:59
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saxodriver
:welcome: good point I for one would not be buying another modem from NTL nor will I pay out extra then I am paying.

My GF pays the bills regarding NTL and like she says we shall only be paying £24,99.
I am sure that the current modems are capable of 10mb and beyond, I guess some one like Ig will be along sonn to confirm this.

AndrewJ 09-08-2005 10:03
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
I have heard the same, but with everything happening at once I do wonder when NTL will offer a free with contact STB/SACM and offer better ones which offer different features at extra cost.

etccarmageddon 09-08-2005 10:12
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kronas
well lets see, streaming radio stations, streaming football, streaming music videos (launch.com)

just a few there, VOIP is coming along well, then there will be movie rentals to come.

no im not saying (it sucks), im merely pointing out that 75GB is a bit on the low side, ukonline has 300GB for 8mbit, i would prefer it to be about 150GB i think thats fair for both sides.
VOIP -
Quote:
...A one-hour call contains 70 to 80 MB of data, with data transmissions typically approaching 70 Kb per second and per direction (upstream and downstream)...
so if you're on the phone 4 hours per day each month then you will use approx 10gig of your monthly allowance.


uk online - the monthly allowance is 500gig not 300! but they aren't as comparable to NTL as say Nildram as ukonline are currently available in 4 million uk home of which I wonder how many would be able to get 2mb let alone 8mb!

http://www.ukonline.net/broadband/exchangelist.php

nildram offer a 50gig monthly 'fair usage quota'. shocking as I believe 6 months ago this was 150gig! which suggests high allowances are not commercially viable.

and remember this - the adsl suppliers require a BT line - which forces a compulsory £10 monthly extra on your costs. and only a select number of BT lines will get 8mb.
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and it's worth reminding everyone that ukonline HAVE a 8mb service whereas NTL's 10mb service is currently unavailable.

zing_deleted 09-08-2005 10:15
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Ukonline sucks big style :( Customer services worse than Ntl ever was .Im 2.8 km from exchange can only get 5 meg now and it drops continualy between 9pm and 4 am steady in the day though

Chrysalis 09-08-2005 10:40
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Salu
I would imagine this is a commercial decision to ensure that they can stay ahead in the game. With ADSL2 round the corner they need to be able to upgrade at short notice. Also they will have scored points by going to 10MB rather than ADSL's 8mb. They have probably announced the upgrade for the 3MB customers first to preserve the revenue stream until the upgrade. Otherwise people may downgrade first.
Of course, the speed of the connection and the price of it are the 2 main things people look at.
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Originally Posted by zinglebarb
Ok time for some serious cr*p cutting

Anyone wanting an unlimited account at 10 meg is a leech. Chances are they sell dvd's (I disclaim that im not refering to me) and chances are they dont sell them cheap so £70 plus say £15 for giganews so its £85 for something that will earn the pirates £100's is not a bad outlay

also those that are not pirates downloading say 100 gig of whatever can easily have £250 worth of dvds £1,000 + worth of music cds or rediculasly stupid amounts of software worth god knows

I do not condone this but lets be straight and not full of poop its why people want unlimited
True point for the bulk of people, there are exceptions. But I think everyone is off track the quote from NTL I read suggested there will be unlimited packages but not at 10mbit, the unlimited packages would be lower speeds.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick
The thing is though, ntl and Telewest are not in direct competition with each other, since you cannot get Telewest services in an ntl area and vice versa - Please also don't forget that there is an expected merger of the two cable giants, just around the corner. :)
Percieved competition but it makes telewest look better as they can point out to their customers they are receiving value for money by making comparisons to NTL.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by slowcoach
OK, latest from the “Bloke in the Pub”.

ntl are planning on implementing the first wave 10Mb/s (3Mb customers) to undermine the BT 8Mb/s implementation in October, thereby negating the BT publicity.

The first phase will be to test the system suitability especially over the Christmas period when VOD is expected to add extra pressure to the system.

It may be decided to soft cap this first phase initially to provide better figures for judging requirements when other users are moved up to 10Mb/s.

If all goes well over Christmas lower tier customers will be switched over early in the New Year, it is expected that this will be spread over a couple of months with any fine tuning necessary being done area by area.

Finally, the unlimited range will be put on-line later in 2006, a range of speeds will be available uncapped with the top speed being 5Mb/s uncapped. Prices of uncapped 1Mb/s and 2Mb/s will remain as they are at present, the new 5Mb/s uncapped will probably be priced at £37.99 same as the top tier 10Mb/s 75Gig capped product.

The upgrade is being spread out to ensure that there is no degregation of service along the way, ntl are confident that recent upgrades to the system will be able to cope easily with only minor overnight work being required in the odd area.

To increase revenue ntl will be releasing a range of T-shirts and Sweat Shirts imprinted with “Kick @rse with ntl 10Mb/s Broadband" ;) Sorry, made that last bit up :D
Thats a good product line up if true, caters for everyone.

Stuart 09-08-2005 10:47
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by IvIaXiIvIuS
So... NTL are planning yet another "free" upgrade with strings attached.Its just a shame that the new improved 10Mbps service will not be the fastest in the UK,BeUnlimited will be offering a 24Mbps service this autum NOT the end of year as NTL have planned.The new service offered by BeUnlimited is the first to use the trialed ADSL2+ and for under £30 for a unlimited service.this is not all they are going to offer to help you sign up.They are also offering a Thomson SpeedTouch 716g wireless router (which has two built in VoIP slots) free to customers. Normally RRP for the 716g is £116.99 including VAT.
:welcome: to CableForum.

A few questions:

First, does ADSL 2 suffer the same reliability problems ADSL can? I know people on Bulldog (for instance) who never get anywhere near their maximum quoted speed.

Second, How many exchanges are they launching in? According to the site (which, admittedly, may not be up to date), they are currently ready to launch in 50 exchanges. They will launch in Autumn (which could be as much as four months away). How many will they have ready then? I doubt it will be nationwide coverage. As I understand it, NTL will be upgrading the speeds in all areas by the end of the year (for 3 meg customers anyway).


Still, competition is good, and if anyone can pull it off, the guys behind Be can.

Chrysalis 09-08-2005 10:48
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuftus
I am sure that the current modems are capable of 10mb and beyond, I guess some one like Ig will be along sonn to confirm this.

I believe so but if DOCSIS 3 gets rolled out I think new modems are needed. If they provided 10mbit on DOCSIS 2 then am I right 4 users at max burst will fill the download channel?

ian@huth 09-08-2005 11:07
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by IvIaXiIvIuS
So... NTL are planning yet another "free" upgrade with strings attached.Its just a shame that the new improved 10Mbps service will not be the fastest in the UK,BeUnlimited will be offering a 24Mbps service this autum NOT the end of year as NTL have planned.The new service offered by BeUnlimited is the first to use the trialed ADSL2+ and for under £30 for a unlimited service.this is not all they are going to offer to help you sign up.They are also offering a Thomson SpeedTouch 716g wireless router (which has two built in VoIP slots) free to customers. Normally RRP for the 716g is £116.99 including VAT.

read full story: http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=1672

So we valued consumers at NTL get a 10Mbps connection capped at 75gig for roughly £40 and a probability that we have to BUY our new modem to cope with the speed increase and the competators get a unlimited 24Mbps service and a modem worth £116(fr ee) for £30 a month.Guess NTL have missed the boat again on such a prized PR coup.
Now if NTL offered a unlimited service for £40 a month at the proposed 10Mbps speed then i for one wouldn't be looking into changing from NTL to another provider as NTL offer a more stable connection.
It sounds too good to be true and if you take heed of the old saying it probably is. I have far more faith in NTL delivering what they are promising than the claims of a new company that doesn't have a customer on the books. If Be Unlimited can deliver the service that they are claiming and at the suggested price then why aren't the established players in the ADSL market doing the same?

SMHarman 09-08-2005 11:35
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Earwig
With BT insistant that they will be able to provide 8MB to most houses anyway sometime this year, it again makes you question NTL's strategy here.
I think NTL need to offer a Higher cap on a Par with ADSL suppliers......
I imagine that when BT, UKOnline and their ADSL competitors are nearer reality on these products (BT is still workign on 2Mb to most houses), LLU is still not widespread then NTL will respond to the competitive threat, at the moment, the threat is a future one, not a current one.

Gogogo 09-08-2005 11:40
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
If I may add my £17.99 worth, this news is great, I'm quite happy to wait for 10 meg, I don't care about all the capping rubbish, there are more important things in life than getting stressed on caps. The service with NTL broadband has been a marvellous experience. NTL is at last beginning to move ahead.

;)

Hans Gruber 09-08-2005 11:41
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ian@huth
It sounds too good to be true and if you take heed of the old saying it probably is. I have far more faith in NTL delivering what they are promising than the claims of a new company that doesn't have a customer on the books. If Be Unlimited can deliver the service that they are claiming and at the suggested price then why aren't the established players in the ADSL market doing the same?
It may be a newly setup British company, but they're the people that gave Sweden 100mbit to the home.

And in answer to your question, British companies generally have the shareholders to answer to, who like to play things safe.

SMHarman 09-08-2005 11:48
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iron25
Downloading TV rips is no more illegal than recording a tv show onto video but hey let me guess...you've never done that before :rolleyes:
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:tu:
Only if you have a subscription to a channel that shows the show really. If you don't have a TV subscription to E4 (West Wing) then downloading a TV show is just as bad as downloading a Movie or Warez.

(Though as E4 is now Freeview that arguement may be a little spurious).

ian@huth 09-08-2005 11:51
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans Gruber

It may be a newly setup British company, but they're the people that gave Sweden 100mbit to the home.

And in answer to your question, British companies generally have the shareholders to answer to, who like to play things safe.
But we don't live in Sweden for a start and what technology did they use to supply 100mbit to the home? Not the technology that they will be using here.

All companies have the shareholders to answer to. Most British internet connections are not provided by British companies.

Horace 09-08-2005 12:01
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
The DSL market at the moment reminds me of the situation we had with the first unmetered dial-up startups. They promised everything for very little (or nothing in the case of x-stream) but often came up short when it came to actually delivering and that included established foreign companies coming into the UK. Wait till these companies are actually delivering what they promise with good service levels before you claim NTL is or will be uncompetetive. NTL can hardly be expected to compete with what someone "may" offer in the future, with the exception of BT of course.

Hans Gruber 09-08-2005 12:11
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ian@huth
But we don't live in Sweden for a start and what technology did they use to supply 100mbit to the home? Not the technology that they will be using here.
The technology that the Swedes used has no relevance to what I posted. I was merely stating it is not run by people who are new to the broadband market. As you well know, but that doesn't make for an interesting 'debate' though :rolleyes:

Stuart 09-08-2005 12:24
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Be interesting to see how Be cope without the subsidies the Swedish government gave them..

Hans Gruber 09-08-2005 12:38
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart C
Be interesting to see how Be cope without the subsidies the Swedish government gave them..
Luckily they don't need anywhere near the cash they did in Sweden where they had to install fibre into the homes

jtwn 09-08-2005 15:05
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

^^^^

1mb > 2mb
2mb > 3mb

orangebird 09-08-2005 15:09
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jtwn
[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

^^^^

1mb > 2mb
2mb > 3mb
Where did you get that slide from?

tim 09-08-2005 15:14
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
I am sure that the current modems are capable of 10mb and beyond, I guess some one like Ig will be along sonn to confirm this.
The specs for my SB4100 say max 38Mbps downstream and max 10Mbps upstream.
Should keep me going for a while ;)

Link to PDF here http://broadband.motorola.com/modem/SB4100.pdf

jtwn 09-08-2005 15:15
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by orangebird
Where did you get that slide from?
Woooo, all legit of course =)

Its on this webcast being broadcast now - http://www.ntl.com/locales/gb/en/inv...fault.asp?id=6

Chrysalis 09-08-2005 16:01
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans Gruber
It may be a newly setup British company, but they're the people that gave Sweden 100mbit to the home.

And in answer to your question, British companies generally have the shareholders to answer to, who like to play things safe.
This is why I hate shareholder owned companies, they hate risks, investments etc. and the company is under pressure to make more profit because the profit is split between all the shareholders. Whilst a privately owned company can have much less profit and remain successful since the profit is split by much less people.

etccarmageddon 09-08-2005 16:45
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
so that slide implies the 1mb customers will be upped to 2mb and the 2mb customers to 3mb and the 3mb customers to 10mb. in the 2nd part of 2005.

captain747480 09-08-2005 17:06
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jtwn

Slide snipped

^^^^

1mb > 2mb
2mb > 3mb
Completely OT but no mention of PVR on there!:td:

jtwn 09-08-2005 17:18
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Yeah was thinking the same when wiring my computer to my tv earlier :(((

Albie 09-08-2005 17:23
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
1mb > 2mb
2mb > 3mb

Best news ever! :clap:

ian@huth 09-08-2005 17:24
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by etccarmageddon
so that slide implies the 1mb customers will be upped to 2mb and the 2mb customers to 3mb and the 3mb customers to 10mb. in the 2nd part of 2005.
Not surprising following BT's announcement that 2mbps is now entry level with them.

slowcoach 09-08-2005 17:32
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jtwn
1mb > 2mb
2mb > 3mb
Keeping the lower tiers happy while they wait for 10Mb/s.
ntl appear to have thought things through this time :tu:

Hans Gruber 09-08-2005 17:40
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by slowcoach
Keeping the lower tiers happy while they wait for 10Mb/s.
ntl appear to have thought things through this time :tu:
It does show they listen to what their customers want these days, which is worth a :tu:

bilal 09-08-2005 19:23
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
so is that 100% confirmed, the 2mb to 3mb until the 10mb next year??? Thats very nice of them if it is :)

etccarmageddon 09-08-2005 19:28
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
I think it's just a question of when rather than if.

budwieser 09-08-2005 21:57
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Just want to say................................

I`ve had NTL Broadband Internet,Telephone and Television for quite a few years now and apart from the odd glitch, Everythings been GREAT!:)
Every now and then i have to reset the stb and CS are sooooooo much better than they used to be!:) :) :)
Thanks for the free speed upgrade a short while ago, i hear the Modems dialling in at work sometimes to send an Estimate or a Supplementary Estimate to the Insurance companies that we deal with and i cringe!:disturbd: :disturbd: :disturbd:
Thank you to all who work for NTL and have provided me with such good service, and for your help in your free time to help us "Useless" ones with problems here in this Forum..:erm:

Thank you.

Tuftus 09-08-2005 23:12
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by budwieser
Just want to say................................

I`ve had NTL Broadband Internet,Telephone and Television for quite a few years now and apart from the odd glitch, Everythings been GREAT!:)
Every now and then i have to reset the stb and CS are sooooooo much better than they used to be!:) :) :)
Thanks for the free speed upgrade a short while ago, i hear the Modems dialling in at work sometimes to send an Estimate or a Supplementary Estimate to the Insurance companies that we deal with and i cringe!:disturbd: :disturbd: :disturbd:
Thank you to all who work for NTL and have provided me with such good service, and for your help in your free time to help us "Useless" ones with problems here in this Forum..:erm:

Thank you.
Well said.

Same here apart from the modems at work... :erm: lol

rmg 10-08-2005 10:16
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
W00t! 3 meg me!

is the up on 3meg 300k?

another vote for ntl here.

VoD is kewl and my fat pipe of torrenting pleasure is rock solid.

+ I found that nice MTV live stream the other day, now there is a nice nugget :-)

etccarmageddon 10-08-2005 11:38
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rmg
W00t! 3 meg me!

is the up on 3meg 300k?
they may upgrade the 1mb users to 3mb but there's no guarantee the upload will increase to 300. they'll probably only increase it if it needs to be for technical reasons.

Llamehtdos 10-08-2005 11:45
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Just my luck, My son move out next month and now they talk about 10mb.
If he see's this he may stay!!!!!!!!!!!!

Roy MM 10-08-2005 12:03
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Llamehtdos
Just my luck, My son move out next month and now they talk about 10mb.
If he see's this he may stay!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D :D :welcome: to cableforum.

Gareth 10-08-2005 12:33
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Llamehtdos
Just my luck, My son move out next month and now they talk about 10mb.
If he see's this he may stay!!!!!!!!!!!!
:notopic: but your nickname made me laugh out loud... :D

:welcome: to CF by the way

Llamehtdos 10-08-2005 13:07
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Had it on a site where i work for 2 years and someone finally worked it out this a.m. Duh or what!

AdamD 10-08-2005 13:15
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Just read about it on BBC news
I think it's a great change, I can't wait to get it

Jules 10-08-2005 13:20
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
When we had the recent increases in speed I chose to go to 1mb as my box could not handle the 2 and I didn't want to change my box, so when all this comes in to effect does that mean all the boxes the same as mine will be no use?

isaw 10-08-2005 13:42
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Hey guys.. (first post - what better topic to start on! w00t!!)


Does anyone have any stats/ideas on how much online "gaming" contributes to one's max download limit per month?

On a side note...
I'm welcoming the 10mps with open arms as it's significantly faster than my current ntl 3mbs. But am *really* looking forward to some nice upload increase as well. Mainly cos I play online games, at the moment it's BF2. And I usually host a Skype session between mates to chat during the game (we dont like the ingame voip and prefer the easy of skype).

However, hosting a 4+ conference on Skype simply kills the current upload bandwidth while playing BF2. So, according to the BBc link, if NTL is doing this in response to the increased demand for high capacity online multimedia usage, (listed was voip) I assume they have taken into account the need for higher upload speed and not just killer downloads...

zing_deleted 10-08-2005 14:15
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by isaw
Hey guys.. (first post - what better topic to start on! w00t!!)


Does anyone have any stats/ideas on how much online "gaming" contributes to one's max download limit per month?

On a side note...
I'm welcoming the 10mps with open arms as it's significantly faster than my current ntl 3mbs. But am *really* looking forward to some nice upload increase as well. Mainly cos I play online games, at the moment it's BF2. And I usually host a Skype session between mates to chat during the game (we dont like the ingame voip and prefer the easy of skype).

However, hosting a 4+ conference on Skype simply kills the current upload bandwidth while playing BF2. So, according to the BBc link, if NTL is doing this in response to the increased demand for high capacity online multimedia usage, (listed was voip) I assume they have taken into account the need for higher upload speed and not just killer downloads...

:welcome: to the forum hope you enjoy your stay and simply put not a lot :D

Chrysalis 10-08-2005 15:05
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
What docsis do ntl plan to use when they deploy this?

Mauldor 10-08-2005 16:02
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by isaw
Hey guys.. (first post - what better topic to start on! w00t!!)


Does anyone have any stats/ideas on how much online "gaming" contributes to one's max download limit per month?

On a side note...
I'm welcoming the 10mps with open arms as it's significantly faster than my current ntl 3mbs. But am *really* looking forward to some nice upload increase as well. Mainly cos I play online games, at the moment it's BF2. And I usually host a Skype session between mates to chat during the game (we dont like the ingame voip and prefer the easy of skype).

However, hosting a 4+ conference on Skype simply kills the current upload bandwidth while playing BF2. So, according to the BBc link, if NTL is doing this in response to the increased demand for high capacity online multimedia usage, (listed was voip) I assume they have taken into account the need for higher upload speed and not just killer downloads...
For a Start Skype Uses 4K Per Person, so if 1 to 1 chat with a person you will both be using 4K Each. As you host a Conference, the person doing so takes the BRUNT of the Upload and add 4K per person you bring in, so if there is 3 of you chatting away, that 8K you have lost straight away. Imagine 5 of you (the Max), thats 16K - you have sort of used up all your bandwidth if you are on 2mbit/200 for example.

Upload has always been the one they will not upgrade much as the Majority of the people will not use it - I cannot imagine they will be giving 10mbit/1Mbit - but if they do I will be very happy indeed :)

etccarmageddon 10-08-2005 16:34
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
I think someone mentioned there being a technical reason why upload has to be increased if the download is increased to 10mb? any experts out there able to shed light on this?

cnewton2k 10-08-2005 16:40
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
someone has mention why earlier on, it is to do with the TCP, when it send a packet of data it waits for a reply before sending the next, now with a 10Mbit connect a 300k upload would be flood with acknowledgment packets.

b.c 10-08-2005 16:49
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When blueyonder were testing 10Mb the upload was only 384kbps and it seemed to work ok. Remember that the upload for BT's 8Mb ADSL will only be 448kbps for home users, so even if NTL only provided 512kbps they could still claim it's faster then what BT can offer.

zing_deleted 10-08-2005 16:55
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
:welcome: to the forum enjoy your stay :) I got 512 upload on ukonline

bilal 10-08-2005 18:27
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
well will all the upload speeds be the same for each tier because the download speed will be???

ive tried looking for the physicial limitations for the upload speed but coulndt find them (too many pages lol ;) ).. could someone please post again or tell me what page its on

jtwn 10-08-2005 18:31
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
I think => 1mb is a better ratio to the dl.

magnoman 10-08-2005 19:01
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
this was in an earlier post:
The maximum theoretical download speed possible at a downstream speed of 10Mbps (= 10,000Kbps = 10,000,000bps) is:
10000000 / 1024 * 1460 / 1518 * 1 / 8 = 1174 KB/sec, or just over 1 megabyte per second.

(See http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robin.....html#kilobytes for explanation of maths)

SMHarman 10-08-2005 19:24
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iommi
someone has mention why earlier on, it is to do with the TCP, when it send a packet of data it waits for a reply before sending the next, now with a 10Mbit connect a 300k upload would be flood with acknowledgment packets.
I recall reading earlier a 10Mb download correctly configured would create a 20k stream of ACKs, poorly configured this could be up to 40k.

Hom3r 10-08-2005 19:35
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by magnoman
this was in an earlier post:
The maximum theoretical download speed possible at a downstream speed of 10Mbps (= 10,000Kbps = 10,000,000bps) is:
10000000 / 1024 * 1460 / 1518 * 1 / 8 = 1174 KB/sec, or just over 1 megabyte per second.

(See http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robin.....html#kilobytes for explanation of maths)
Sorry but shouldn't it be

10000Mbits / 8 = 1.125MB per second

quadplay 10-08-2005 19:46
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by david.ewles
Sorry but shouldn't it be

10000Mbits / 8 = 1.125MB per second
No. Look at the link for the reason why.

Stop It 10-08-2005 20:50
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
10? MEG? End? YEAR?

WOW!

Ntl are on fire, by the end of the year so will their network, great news :)

jtwn 10-08-2005 20:57
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Yeah its made me think, a year ago, if anybody said 10mb ntl everyone would have laughed...so we don't know how it will perform, but ntl must be confident enough to roll it out and not just do it on a marketing whim.

mattfrn 10-08-2005 21:33
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by slowcoach
Keeping the lower tiers happy while they wait for 10Mb/s.
ntl appear to have thought things through this time :tu:
I think there might be some confusion over the upgrade in speeds , from 1mg to 2 and 2 to 3mg . I used to work in NTL sales and the sheet shown earlier was an upsell sheet basically what NTL telesales can sell to make revenue , , this means that telesales would phone you and maybe offer you 1 month free to upgrade your speed , the idea being alot of people would keep the speed after the free month meaning more revenue for the company. That would be my reading of it anyway.

Radeon 10-08-2005 23:43
Will my modem support 10mb broadband
 
I currently have an NTL Silver modem, it's about 2yrs old, I am currently on 3mb broadband and am really looking forward to NTL 10mb broadband :) :)

But will my modem support the faster connection or will I have to upgrade my modem

I am sure I read somewhere that the NTL silver modem would support up to 10mb max, as I have seen NTL with the new small blue modems

Any answer would be great

Thanks :cool:

Tuftus 11-08-2005 00:01
Re: Will my modem support 10mb broadband
 
Yes it will.

:welcome: by the way...

Jonboy 11-08-2005 00:10
Re: Will my modem support 10mb broadband
 
bit previous aint yer :D

Radeon 11-08-2005 00:12
Re: Will my modem support 10mb broadband
 
That's put my mind to rest, glad it will support the higher speed, thanks Tuftus :)

Thanks for the welcome :)

bilal 11-08-2005 00:57
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
well i hope that you are wrong mattfrn, everyone was just saying how good ntl were to think of the lower tier customers :rolleyes:

AndrewJ 11-08-2005 01:23
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
I personally would love the 10mb for amount of stuff I do online such as uploading mixes of non-copyright material of mixes of music I am making, and edits of family videos to relatives in the USA it would be be brilliant if my upload was good aswell right now I can barely hold 28kbs upload.

Myron 11-08-2005 02:14
Re: Will my modem support 10mb broadband
 
I think the silver NTL Ambit modems have a rated top bandwidth of 34Mbps.

Halcyon 11-08-2005 11:44
Re: Will my modem support 10mb broadband
 
Welcome to the forums Radeon.
The modems still have life in them yet and will be able to cope with the new speeds.

ynwa 11-08-2005 13:02
Re: Will my modem support 10mb broadband
 
Is there any indications which modems will and wont be able to take the 10mb. I have a Motorola Sufboard 4100 ( i think) and its about 5 years old now.

joker3001 11-08-2005 15:19
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Interesting news from blueyonder
I'd pay the 35!

Radeon 11-08-2005 15:22
Re: Will my modem support 10mb broadband
 
Thanks for the welcome all :D

If the Silver NTL Ambit modems support up to 34mb then I am very happy :)

Neil 11-08-2005 15:22
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by joker3001
Interesting news from blueyonder
I'd pay the 35!
Please keep all the Blueyonder discussion in this thread.

Jules 11-08-2005 15:23
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
There is a thread here if you want to read about it Joker :)

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=33380

Opps Neil beat me to it, sorry :disturbd:

Robc66 11-08-2005 16:31
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Told you telewest would beat ntl....THEY ALWAYS DO!!!!!

luv-snail 11-08-2005 16:47
Re: Will my modem support 10mb broadband
 
My Terayon modem only has a 10Base-T (half duplex) network connection, so would I be correct in assuming that 10Mbps is a little out of the modem's league? :confused:

ian@huth 11-08-2005 16:49
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robc66
Told you telewest would beat ntl....THEY ALWAYS DO!!!!!
I didn't know that it was a race. I am quite happy with my NTL BB and appreciate how much thay have done in the past couple of years. We are being promised even more improvements at no extra cost so I for one am delighted. I will get the improvements when I get them and it doesn't bother me in the slightest if someone else gets similar improvements before I do.

Robc66 11-08-2005 16:51
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ian@huth
I didn't know that it was a race. I am quite happy with my NTL BB and appreciate how much thay have done in the past couple of years. We are being promised even more improvements at no extra cost so I for one am delighted. I will get the improvements when I get them and it doesn't bother me in the slightest if someone else gets similar improvements before I do.
They dont just get it before....they get it cheaper and uncapped. I think ntl need to really look at this!

etccarmageddon 11-08-2005 16:53
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
no-one's beat anyone yet have they? unless you can tell me of any NTL or Telewest customers who have had their speeds upgraded to 10mb? perhaps when you can give me a Telewest customer on 10mb that's when NTL are beaten. It looks to me like TW quickly copied NTLs idea.

danielf 11-08-2005 16:54
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robc66
They dont just get it before....they get it cheaper and uncapped. I think ntl need to really look at this!
I've been paying £25 for BY 1 meg BB when NTL customers received 2 Meg for that price for quite a while. This sort of thing is always going to happen.

Robc66 11-08-2005 17:01
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf
I've been paying £25 for BY 1 meg BB when NTL customers received 2 Meg for that price for quite a while. This sort of thing is always going to happen.
But the ntl 2mb had a cap so you cant really complain.

danielf 11-08-2005 17:03
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robc66
But the ntl 2mb had a cap so you cant really complain.
Why? I never even come close to the cap, so it doesn't affect me.

Monster Jedi 11-08-2005 17:09
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf
Why? I never even come close to the cap, so it doesn't affect me.
Nor me to;) :Sprint:

Robc66 11-08-2005 17:14
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danielf
Why? I never even come close to the cap, so it doesn't affect me.
Good for you. But there are people who it does effect.

bilal 11-08-2005 17:29
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
ntl 2mb has a soft cap :erm: so far i dont think one person has been contacted for going over the 30gb limit which i personally have gone over many times. Also bt does have a cap which is half of ntls which is 15gb as far as i know

Robc66 11-08-2005 17:35
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bilal
ntl 2mb has a soft cap :erm: so far i dont think one person has been contacted for going over the 30gb limit which i personally have gone over many times. Also bt does have a cap which is half of ntls which is 15gb as far as i know
Yes i know. I am making the point that ntl customers will be paying more money (£38) for a capped 10mb service when telewest customers will get 10mb for cheaper (£35) and uncapped. Telewest are also rolling it all out in september and ntl are doing it at the end of this year! I DONT LIKE IT IF OTHER PEOPLE GET A BETTER DEAL THAN ME! :(

Derek 11-08-2005 17:39
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robc66
I DONT LIKE IT IF OTHER PEOPLE GET A BETTER DEAL THAN ME! :(
So why don't you move to somewhere like Sweden or Hong Kong where you can get an even faster connection for a cheaper price? :dozey:

Ntl and Telewest are not competitors. They can do whatever they want until such a time as the two companies merge.

As it stands when the 10MB services come in I think the customers of both companies will be getting a deal better than 90% of the competitors.

nn012 11-08-2005 17:39
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by etccarmageddon
It looks to me like TW quickly copied NTLs idea.
Actually Telewest announced a 10Meg trial back in March with their Q404 results, it might be other way round. http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_...esentation.pdf look at page 28. Anyway Telewest's offer seems a lot better than ntl's.

Robc66 11-08-2005 17:41
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nn012
Telewest actually announced a 10Meg trial back in May, it might be other way round
i think so too....considering telewest are bringing it out so fast compaired to ntl.

Bill C 11-08-2005 18:04
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robc66
Yes i know. I am making the point that ntl customers will be paying more money (£38) for a capped 10mb service when telewest customers will get 10mb for cheaper (£35) and uncapped. Telewest are also rolling it all out in september and ntl are doing it at the end of this year! I DONT LIKE IT IF OTHER PEOPLE GET A BETTER DEAL THAN ME! :(
Even when that deal is from a company you have at this time no hope of getting a service from.

I knew this thread would become a reason for some to come out of there hiding places to complain about anything NTL try to do to improve things. So until such time as someone does get the 10 meg service i shall be blissfully unsubscribing from this one and let the rumours mongers and wingers continue to knock down anything that NTL do to try and improve the service you get. And for those that want something more, There is grass on the other side why not go see if it is better.


And just to repeat something i said before

Quote:
It happens all the time. No matter what NTL offer there will be those that complain. I can bet you now if we offer free broadband at 100 meg with no caps, There would be those here who would complain and say we should pay them, Do the downloading and burning for them, And run them to the computer fair to sell there dvd's.

Gareth 11-08-2005 18:06
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by etccarmageddon
no-one's beat anyone yet have they? unless you can tell me of any NTL or Telewest customers who have had their speeds upgraded to 10mb? perhaps when you can give me a Telewest customer on 10mb that's when NTL are beaten. It looks to me like TW quickly copied NTLs idea.
I'd disagree that it's TW who 'copied' NTL's idea... although this purely my opinion as I don't have any insider information nor do I work for either company. Looking at TW's announcement, there is far more detail to their offering - concrete details that couldn't have been calculated within the time that NTL made their announcement and TW's press release. Also, TW will be rolling-out their implementation by the end of next month... if they were 'copying' NTL, I'd expect to see them have this ready sometime in 2007 and not September 2005 (remember that NTL have only committed themselves to having this ready nationally for all customers by December 2006). Too much detail from TW to suggest they've cobbled together something in a couple of days after being taken by surprise by NT:'s announcement. If anything, I'd say NTL had their hand forced by TW's announcement being made today, and therefore NTL had to go public when they did, despite not having sufficient details about timescales, pricing, upload speeds, caps, etc... - all things that TW have categorically answered today in their press release.

Just my interpretation of the events as I see them. I'm not privy to specific information, unlike certain people here that claim to be. Feel free to ignore it if you want.

bilal 11-08-2005 18:18
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Bill C you are so right. Whats the point in complaining when none of you can get telewest.
Also ntl are giving 10mbit for everyone one of there products whereas telewest are only giving 10mbit to the top tier. So overall the £17.99 users and £24.99 users for ntl are getting a better deal. Most people would like a fast internet for them to use when they need it even if they dont use it much so the lower tiers are perfect for them. Uncapped 10mbit would be good but as you cant get it stop complaining :)

Stuart 11-08-2005 18:20
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robc66
Quote:
Originally Posted by nn012
Telewest actually announced a 10Meg trial back in May, it might be other way round
i think so too....considering telewest are bringing it out so fast compaired to ntl.
As has been mentioned elsewhere on this forum, The Telewest network is a fraction of the size of NTL's network. This means NTL need to do more planning and testing. There is also the possibility they will have far more hardware to upgrade. That's without having to get hold of all the STBs and CMs needed to replace those that fail while being upgraded, as NTL will need more of those than Telewest, and the suppliers only have a finite production capacity.

Not having a go, just asking that people think before saying NTL is slower than the competition.

Robc66 11-08-2005 18:21
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Well if ntl cant keep up with other companies then i will move to another. I will be able to get adsl 2+ soon which i will get 24mbit out of. I will just move to a company that offers that.

Stuart 11-08-2005 18:23
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robc66
Well if ntl cant keep up with other companies then i will move to another. I will be able to get adsl 2+ soon which i will get 24mbit out of. I will just move to a company that offers that.
And you know a company will be offering that at your local exchange soon?

Robc66 11-08-2005 18:26
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart C
As has been mentioned elsewhere on this forum, The Telewest network is a fraction of the size of NTL's network. This means NTL need to do more planning and testing. There is also the possibility they will have far more hardware to upgrade. That's without having to get hold of all the STBs and CMs needed to replace those that fail while being upgraded, as NTL will need more of those than Telewest, and the suppliers only have a finite production capacity.

Not having a go, just asking that people think before saying NTL is slower than the competition.
Well....NTL get alot more money and therefore should be able to cope with this. You cannot blame it on their "larger network" because every customer has to pay for it so they should be able to do it with all the extra money that they get.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart C
And you know a company will be offering that at your local exchange soon?
Yep i live in central manchester. I could go on 8mb now but i have been with ntl for 6 - 7 years and decided to stick with them.

ian@huth 11-08-2005 18:30
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth
I'd disagree that it's TW who 'copied' NTL's idea... although this purely my opinion as I don't have any insider information nor do I work for either company. Looking at TW's announcement, there is far more detail to their offering - concrete details that couldn't have been calculated within the time that NTL made their announcement and TW's press release. Also, TW will be rolling-out their implementation by the end of next month... if they were 'copying' NTL, I'd expect to see them have this ready sometime in 2007 and not September 2005 (remember that NTL have only committed themselves to having this ready nationally for all customers by December 2006). Too much detail from TW to suggest they've cobbled together something in a couple of days after being taken by surprise by NT:'s announcement. If anything, I'd say NTL had their hand forced by TW's announcement being made today, and therefore NTL had to go public when they did, despite not having sufficient details about timescales, pricing, upload speeds, caps, etc... - all things that TW have categorically answered today in their press release.

Just my interpretation of the events as I see them. I'm not privy to specific information, unlike certain people here that claim to be. Feel free to ignore it if you want.
It only takes a few minutes to knock up a press statement containing the "facts" that the TW statement has. It doesn't take that long to write a config file for the new speeds. Whether they can deliver an acceptable level of service in the time frame they have stated is another matter. Probably for most TW customers the increased speeds available will not put too much pressure on their network. They will occupy a much greater portion of the pipe they are on but it will be for a much shorter time freeing up the space for someone else. The connection caners will be the problem and a lot depends on the distribution of those within the network. They may experience problems which other users don't. ;)

MovedGoalPosts 11-08-2005 18:34
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
ntl may have a larger network infrastructure than Telewest. Yes they are not in competition with TW (but they are with the BT based network suppliers). If it is going to take untill well into next year before the programme is complete there must be a real risk to ntl that they will find themselves playing catch up with rival networks who could have already surpassed this. Indeed it's an interesting game between cable and ADSL over BT type lines as to who can actually implement the faster services first.

Having a larger network though should ntl be an excuse as to why everything takes a lot longer. If you have a large network you should have proportionately larger resources to support the capacity and implement those changes.

ntl announced their intention to upgrade. That no doubt has been based on an assesment that it can be done. It is reasonable that an overnight roll out cannot be expected, and indeed we are used to a phased rollout over the network of these types of upgrade. If ntl have adequate resources they should be able to match a rollout pace of similar groups?

However it is perhaps noting the recent upgrades to the 1, 2 or 3mb tiers now available. If memory serves a long phased rollout programme was forecast, yet in fact many customers were able to get the upgrade within a fortnight of each other, if they could get through to CS who were a little overwhelmed with demand.

Slyder 11-08-2005 19:07
Re: Will my modem support 10mb broadband
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuftus
Yes it will.
Im sure I read somewhere our silver modems only went upto 8meg.

ah well... 34meg sounds good to me. :D

Gareth 11-08-2005 19:27
Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ian@huth
It only takes a few minutes to knock up a press statement containing the "facts" that the TW statement has. It doesn't take that long to write a config file for the new speeds.
I bet they took a bit longer han a few minutes to get all the bean counters to decide on a price to market this at ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ian@huth
Whether they can deliver an acceptable level of service in the time frame they have stated is another matter. Probably for most TW customers the increased speeds available will not put too much pressure on their network. They will occupy a much greater portion of the pipe they are on but it will be for a much shorter time freeing up the space for someone else. The connection caners will be the problem and a lot depends on the distribution of those within the network. They may experience problems which other users don't. ;)
True, and in a way, it's good for me (and other NTL users) that TW are piloting this, as it should mean that NTL can learn from TW's mistakes, and that us NTL users benefit from any problems they may or may not encounter.

As for the connection caners, I hope that none of my neighbours fall into this category, or else I'll be paying them a visit :mad: ;)


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