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We might just see the next "class of 92" come through this season, with the likes of Ewbanks Blake, Rossi, Eagles, Timm, Richardson. If this does not work out, the Glazer's might then have to dig deep to compete with the likes of Chelsea. Arsenal have done very well with their prudent sales & purchase technique over the last two season's, but I think it will all fall flat as time moves on. This coming season's front runner's will be, 1. Chelsea. 2. Man Utd. 3. Arsenal. 4. Liverpool. 5. Newcastle, but not necessarilly in that order :D |
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I feel the first few years since 1992 were prudent for man utd but after that they were just spending in a league of their own, my argument is based on the fact that by having a very large squad man utd can rest key players at good times so when they do play hey have more energy.
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Um - Chelsea are avidly signing the best young talent in Europe - Mourinho may be a deeply unpleasant sod but he's no fool, and we may find ourselves playing a team with infinite money and a top youth set up in a couple of years. They also share with Arsenal the bonus of being a top club in London, which makes it easier for them to attract players from abroad. I don't think you can win the league with young British players any more - the Man Utd late 90s team is ancient history, the rate the game moves on.
Anyway, here's some stats on CL/Premiership fixtures to shove down the throats of Jose and Sir Alex: Since 1998/9 Arsenal Played 64 34 home - 30 away 53% at home Manchester United Played 87 47 home - 40 away 54% at home Chelsea Played 40 22 home - 18 away 55% at home So statistically no team has the post-CL fixtures rigged in their favour, and in fact Arsenal have had slightly the worst of it, though within rounding up error. What this seems to prove is that Jose is a lying git* and Sir Alex is an old fool who doesn't check his facts when it comes to Arse-bashing time. *But we knew that already. |
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Part of Arsenals fixture list for this season:
13/14 - CL Matchday 1 Mon 19 - Everton (H) 27/28 - CL Matchday 2 Sun 2 - Birmingham city (H) 18/19 - CL Matchday 3 Sat 22 - Man City (H) 1/2 - CL Matchday 4 Sat 5 - Sunderland (H) 22/23 - CL Matchday 5 Sat 26 - Blackburn Rovers (H) 6/7 - CL Matchday 6 Sat 10 - Newcastle Utd (A) So five matches out of six after a champions league game for Arsenal is at home. I think Ferguson and Mourinho do have something to complain about. |
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1) They've not offered any evidence that having the game following a CL game at home helps you win things. 2) The quality of the opposition matters as well as the location 3) In the light of the lack of evidence in 1), you can make an equal case that having the *previous* CL game at home helps, in which case Arsenal are obviously being discriminated against, since they have 5 out of 6 away, and doubtless some will be on a Sunday before a Tuesday CL game, which leaves you two days to recover. Which is baloney as well. 4) Picking statistics carefully to support your 'case' doesn't prove anything other than ability to read a fixture list - you have to look at these things over a whole season, which we can't do for 2005/6*, but we can do for every season since 1999, which amazingly enough proves that JM and AF are talking out of their orifices. 5) In order for them to have something to complain about (unless they're complaining about the actions of chance, in which case they should be addressing their concerns to God, or whoever invented mathematics) they have to put up some evidence that someone is fixing the fixtures. Instead we get idiotic and ill-informed conspiracy theories about David Dein, who is elected by all 20 clubs to the FA, and has nothing to do with Premier League fixtures, which are set, er, by the Premier League, not the FA. It's like complaining that the holes in the road are the fault of a Masonic conspiracy. If you met a geezer in the pub who started on like that you'd assume paranoid schizophrenia and try and move away quietly. 6) You're assuming that matches never get moved, which they do, particularly around European games or late in the season due to cup ties. You can only draw firm conclusions from matches already played, which as we've seen shows that there's no bias in favour or against any team. *Or can we? Assuming Arsenal get through the group stage again, when are the next six matchdays? www.uefa.com has 21/22 Feb and 7/8 Mar Currently Arsenal have these matches scheduled around then: 25/2/06 - Blackburn (A) 11/3/06 - Liverpool (H) After that it's 28/29 Mar and 04/05 Apr 1/4/06 - Aston Villa (H) 8/4/06 - Man Utd (A) After that it's 18/19 Apr and 25/26 Apr 22/4/06 - Tottenham (H) 29/4/06 - Sunderland (A) So three at home, three away, and two of the home games are tricky ones, plus we get to go to Old Trafford after a European trip again, if we get to the quarter finals. |
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I think they should both stop moaning and get on with it, chelsea and man utd both have massive squads and will cope anyway. Personally I find the relegation battle more exciting then the championship race.
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what you keep forgetting is if there's one thing football managers like to do it's moan.. whatever fixture list they get they will complain..
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Q. Why will Man City players have to wash their shirts more often next season.
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sorry i don't get the joke.. it mentions washing and then the answer seems to be about spending money
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I think that a bit of loyalty should be shown by Ferdinand to United. After all the stick and abuse United got for sticking by him and paying him during the ban... They have got to expect that a few fans to be angry, especially as United's offer isn't exactly small change. |
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To add to this Leicester have announced they will be seeking damages following the commercial impact on the club eg. the celtic attendance would likely have been higher if the inter game wasnt scheduled as some fans chose one game over the other and the attendance was expected to be close to 30000. The club will be contacting the other 3 clubs first so a joint reaction can be made. Source here.
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crystal palace also say they are taking action so I would expect them to seek joint claim with leicester.
nffc dont start a pick on leics city debate, unless you want me to bring up nottingham forest refusing to pay their council tax and almost getting evicted. difference been you chose not to pay it, we was forced into administration after having our entire team up for sale but couldnt sell them and a certian agent forcing us into administration. |
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"Inter tour back on after re-think"
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It would be a big financial hit to the 4 english clubs involved since it is a big match and not only would they be refunding tickets sold for the match they would also have reduced attendences for games around it since fans might choose to only go for 1 game out of 2 or 3 and pick the inter game. __________________ Quote:
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Failing to pay our council tax and almost getting evicted? :LOL: If I didn't think you were being serious that would make good comedy. At least get your facts straight :) |
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Facts are straight mate, it was on the east midlands news end of last season.
Forest were very close to having to use another ground for their home games this season. |
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Forest took the loan out in 94 to pay for the Trent End so the ground could host Euro 96 matches The CC were named as guarantors ie they had to pay if the club didn't The club for some reason flunked on the debt- theory is the chairman did it to get the Council to restructure it as he had plans for the site - so the council had to pay it... Nothing about council tax or nearly being evicted... |
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Well, it was the debt I just knew they owed money to the council and yes you was nearly evicted. It was plastered all over the tv news for east midlands for a week.
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Basically Doughty was trying to get the debt restructured so he could get the freehold on the land and its environs for personal development plans. (IIRC) He was trying to use it as a bargain to get what he wanted- that's a capitalist for you. Except he hadn't factored in the public money factor so in the end he just paid it himself. And they wouldn't have evicted us anyway seeing as the lease is extremely long-term (about 100 years left). |
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Always knew we'd see him in the Premiership one day, although I hoped it would be for Man United :D |
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Just in case anyone sees this who is a utd fan, they are on ITV2 right now playing Beijing Hyundai, yesterdays game ;)
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You know I almost feel sorry for Celtic.
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Hahahahahahahahahahaha - just got back after a couple of days away and couldnae wait to comment on this one - 5 - 0 defeat by the european equivalent of Total Network solutions - words cant express my joy!
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Nice article here, might buy the book.
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Roooooooneeeeeey
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Well, this is it - the start of the new season - im just about to grab my scarf, my ticket and my jacket and head out to watch Falkirk V ICT and im like a little kid getting all exited at the prospect.
COME ON YE BAIRNS!!! :D (P.s. if we get beaten - be gentle :D ) |
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A dismal display yesterday by the hoops.
they threw away 3-1 lead to come out 4-4. I am not slating Gordon Stachan, but I am slating the defence. they should not even be allowed to play school boy football. :td: ik |
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too early to judge strachan he doesnt have his own team yet and the squad are used to MON tactics, but MON is a hard act to follow you can expect his team to give 120% so any manager replacing him is going to struggle.
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Strachan is a good manager, and I hope he can get the best out of Celtic :angel: But Balde has not been playing football since he wanted to leave in january, he may have lost us the league because of it. time to let him go IMO. Varga started out great but is flaging now, what is his problem, is it because martin has gone? Martin was great No doubt, but he was bought to play football for the club, not the man. Mo Camara, does not even sit in defence although he is a left back! why? slow and is not got a good defensive eye. why did we buy him? We need good solid defence to go any further in europe and dare I say it.... the league. I am fine with the keepers, although I would have Marshall as second goalkeeper, and thte new Boruc dude as first pick. a decent midfield, in Nakamura, Petrov, McGeady (although he is greedy, never plays an easy ball, and runs into trouble). let lennon go, he is a bit slow, good eye, but lacks essential pace. Thompson has lost it totally, a few nice crosses is all he has left. we have enough strikers, but I hope strachan can find the perfect team here, wether it be Maloney + Hartson/ majiec (or whatever his name is) + aliadier (french boy) or even Maloney, Aliadier with sutton sitting just behind, who knows, we have good guys who can score. My main problem is with footballers who get paid sh*t loads of money to play a sport most of us wish we could play better, but they don't seem to perform anymore. they are professional. they should be playing for their wages, not when it suits them. I would punish the ones responsible by placing thtem in the youth team until they understood that they are a team player and will play any tactic they are given, and play where they are placed (obviously they have better positions). there is no I in team. ik |
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Young Boys ****dorf erection relief The supporters of Young Boys Bern have not had too much to celebrate in the 19 years since their team last won the Swiss league title. But this weekend Young Boys sought to shake off their old image by officially opening the 32,000 Stade de Suisse ****dorf stadium -- which cost 350 million Swiss francs ($271.3 million) -- with an uncharacteristically flashy homecoming party. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlin...337901&cc=5739 |
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Celtic are still coming together as a team, the performance midweek was a disaster i will agree, but Motherwell at the weekend was another story - they scored some fantastic goals that were not defensive mistakes, rather they were well crafted strikes. For some Celtic fans to be banging on already about how Stachan should go and how the team is crap this year is quite frankly ludicrous and shows them up for the glory hunting idiots that most of them are. Europe may be over for Celtic - but there another 37 games to go in the league. |
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I think celtics mentallity is that they are better then any team in scotland besides rangers, and the european minnows we played, we are not giving teams the respect they deserve. the only player on the park on saturday that was wanting to play well and win was shaun maloney, he played his heart out. Petrov played well but not his best. the usual players had a stinker apart from hartson, he did do justice and headered 2 and scored the penalty. plus the players are not playing to the whistle, they look to the ref with puppy dog eyes and let the opposition play on, then we have a few players out of the game because they cannot beliee their luck at not getting the free kick/penalty. Poor Falkirk didn't have a good scoreline, but how did they play? I think your manager John Hughes, will have them playing better throughout the season. __________________ Quote:
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We had about 60% of the possesion during the game but had very few shots, (i think the official stats were that we had 6 and they had 16 shots). A good lesson for Hughes i think. Also, our young boy up from Duffy is a bit on the weak side, too easy to fall over, he's going to need to toughen up a bit. We will definately improve though - im sure of that. |
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I hope the rumoured transfer of Owen to United goes through - it'll annoy the scousers no end and he'll be an excellent replacement for the past-his-best RVN.
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I have never rated RVN, nearly all his goals are pretty much point blank range, so I dont think its the case of him been not so good I think its just defenders working him out. He needs pinpoint service to the goal mouth and if he doesnt get it he wont score.
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i cant believe this you guys are from everywhere and talking man :sick: td
i come from bolton and support bolton my wife is from eerrmm chichester and supports some southern team but back where i was... is this glory hunting or true love for a team? |
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they keeping the man utd tradition of supporting the club they are in no proximity to :)
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As for me, I may live in Grimsby but I grew up about 5 miles from Aston and 4 miles from West Bromwich, so I had a choice between West Brom and Villa, and chose Villa :) |
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Nah, I am just jealous, because I live about 20 minutes drive from Spurs and about 30 mins from Highbury. Still, you play the hand you are dealt. It is a shame, if I lived 10 mins away in one direction I could have been a much happier, less bitter man (with more hair too). |
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Man Utd rule out Owen bid
Manchester United have reportedly joined Arsenal, Chelski and Liverpool in ruling out a move for Michael Owen. The Daily Telegraph claims that 'well-informed sources' have told the newspaper that Man Utd 'have no plans to sign' Owen. http://www.football365.com/teams/man...y_158497.shtml Man Utd agree deal for Ballack Manchester United have reportedly secured a deal that will see Michael Ballack leave Bayern Munich for Old Trafford †“ but only in a yearâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s time. http://www.football365.com/teams/man...y_158482.shtml |
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Not happy about that Owen report - I'd love to see him and Rooney up front. I don't see the problem with his wages though - getting rid of RVN will certainly help.
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I'm half way between OT and Burnden Park, but thankfully my family were kind and considerate and made me follow Man Utd, not Bolton. :) That was before the 1992/93 by the way ;) Maybe when they set up the FA, they should have set a rule that you have to live within a certain distance from a club? It would be tough for those living in remote areas, but hey.... |
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Not read any of this thread but just wanted to say......
COME ON YOU SKY BLUES !!! |
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Crystal Palace have fended of premiership clubs and signed andy johnson up for 5 years, good news that been relegated doesnt always mean losing your best players but bad news for the rest of the league :(
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Celtic played really well tonight.
I am happy with the scoreline, happy with the performance. But just a bit sad we could not get that extra much needed fifth goal. Well done CELTIC IK |
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btw nffc, you were right , not sure how your team was made up though, all youngsters ?
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Paddy Gamble - kid Ricky Hanson - trialist Alan Rogers - fat useless scouse tw*t reject Paul Evans- lower division clogger, about the only real first teamer John Thompson - just come back from serious injury Justyn Roberts - kid James Beaumont- promising attacking midfielder but still lightweight- kid Adam Nowland - Saskia's ex and a massive sicknote Neil Harris- ex-Cambridge City, only started 1 game under Megson in 4 months. Also has personal problems John-Paul Pitman - kid Mick Heywood - kid or trialist (can't remember) That's hardly strong enough to be classed as a reserve XI but even so, I don't even think it was designated 1st XI. Still... ;) Edit: compare that with what should start v Huddersfield on Sat Gerrard / Pedersen Eaden Morgan Breckin Padula/Curtis Southall Holt Friio/Bopp/Gardner Commons and 2 from Dobie, Taylor, Johnson (probably the first two) |
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Anyway best of luck to the Us for next season... :) |
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Clubs: Nottm Forest. I remember that... :) what a side we had :(
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Lee Bowyer signs for exeter...
http://www.exetercityfc.premiumtv.co...6~5720,00.html Owen signs for Villa http://www.avfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page...5~5829,00.html :D Seems the Premium TV sites all share the same database so you can get any players coming up on any site if you know the number code of that player. Great for playing jokes on your mates! |
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well i'm glad he's gone.. he was never any good.. couldn't pass the ball and had no vision.. all he ever did was pass to whoever was 5 yards to his left or right.. he had no defending brain and always stood in the wrong place and gave stupid fouls and pens away
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Tight-fisted Glazer stops Owen transfer
According to a report in The Guardian, 'Sir Alex Ferguson has been placed under far stricter financial restrictions than had been anticipated under the Glazer regime. The official line from the new owners was that significant funds were available but, privately, Ferguson has been told the priority is to offload players, a policy that gathered momentum with the £3.5m transfer of Phil Neville to Everton.' http://www.football365.com/teams/man...y_158786.shtml |
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don't forget Ole is coming back soon so with him Ruud, Rooney, Smith and Saha do we need Owen
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Keane's tackle injured Haaland's right leg, Haaland has admited himself that it was problems with his left leg that caused his retirement. |
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Leics finally have the much needed 4th striker having taken on Elvis Hammond from fulham on a 5month loan, the striker has only scored 1 Goal in a senior game in his career but his career has been mainly reserve games where he has been a prolific scorer, quite a gamble but creates competition for places up front.
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Russell, Russell Latapy, Russell, Russell Latapy
2-0 The Bairns - after humping Livingston off the park to take our first ever SPL win. Falkirk FC are on the up - still we have to play Celtic next week, cant say im over enthusiatic at the prospect but im sure we will give it a go.. :eek: Match Report |
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Well...seeing as certain Arse fans are unsurprisingly nowhere to be found, I'll be the one to say it:
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Arsenal's new Emirates stadium is starting to look impressive I must say.
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seems strange to me that this has cost half as much as wembley and gone up in half the time as well
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