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yesman 17-07-2005 00:51

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK
How many of the players you have listed helped Manchester United win Premiership titles? Van Nistelrooy, Schmeichel and possibly Ferdinand, the rest of the players never really added to the team or have yet to do much (Rooney).
The players Manchester United have won titles with are home grown players such as Giggs, Beckham, Brown, Scholes, Gary and Phil Neville, so really having no money may help Ferguson bring up younger players which has worked in the past, something that Chelsea havent and probably wont do.

After the takeover by Glazer, I would guess money is not quite readily available as it was prior to the takeover, having said that, the Glazer's will need to speculate to accumulate and not just rely on the public to raise revenue, after all, success breeds success.

We might just see the next "class of 92" come through this season, with the likes of Ewbanks Blake, Rossi, Eagles, Timm, Richardson. If this does not work out, the Glazer's might then have to dig deep to compete with the likes of Chelsea.

Arsenal have done very well with their prudent sales & purchase technique over the last two season's, but I think it will all fall flat as time moves on.

This coming season's front runner's will be, 1. Chelsea. 2. Man Utd. 3. Arsenal. 4. Liverpool. 5. Newcastle, but not necessarilly in that order :D

Russ 17-07-2005 15:50

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK
How many of the players you have listed helped Manchester United win Premiership titles? Van Nistelrooy, Schmeichel and possibly Ferdinand, the rest of the players never really added to the team or have yet to do much (Rooney).
The players Manchester United have won titles with are home grown players such as Giggs, Beckham, Brown, Scholes, Gary and Phil Neville, so really having no money may help Ferguson bring up younger players which has worked in the past, something that Chelsea havent and probably wont do.

My point exactly.

Chrysalis 17-07-2005 23:05

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I feel the first few years since 1992 were prudent for man utd but after that they were just spending in a league of their own, my argument is based on the fact that by having a very large squad man utd can rest key players at good times so when they do play hey have more energy.

How well do you think man utd would have done with a squad of under 20 players?

I am not comparing to chelsea I am comparing to the rest of the premiership 19 other teams.

BBKing 18-07-2005 09:52

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Um - Chelsea are avidly signing the best young talent in Europe - Mourinho may be a deeply unpleasant sod but he's no fool, and we may find ourselves playing a team with infinite money and a top youth set up in a couple of years. They also share with Arsenal the bonus of being a top club in London, which makes it easier for them to attract players from abroad. I don't think you can win the league with young British players any more - the Man Utd late 90s team is ancient history, the rate the game moves on.

Anyway, here's some stats on CL/Premiership fixtures to shove down the throats of Jose and Sir Alex:
Since 1998/9

Arsenal
Played 64
34 home - 30 away
53% at home

Manchester United
Played 87
47 home - 40 away
54% at home

Chelsea
Played 40
22 home - 18 away
55% at home

So statistically no team has the post-CL fixtures rigged in their favour, and in fact Arsenal have had slightly the worst of it, though within rounding up error. What this seems to prove is that Jose is a lying git* and Sir Alex is an old fool who doesn't check his facts when it comes to Arse-bashing time.

*But we knew that already.

Shadow Demon UK 18-07-2005 10:18

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Part of Arsenals fixture list for this season:

13/14 - CL Matchday 1
Mon 19 - Everton (H)

27/28 - CL Matchday 2
Sun 2 - Birmingham city (H)

18/19 - CL Matchday 3
Sat 22 - Man City (H)

1/2 - CL Matchday 4
Sat 5 - Sunderland (H)

22/23 - CL Matchday 5
Sat 26 - Blackburn Rovers (H)

6/7 - CL Matchday 6
Sat 10 - Newcastle Utd (A)

So five matches out of six after a champions league game for Arsenal is at home. I think Ferguson and Mourinho do have something to complain about.

BBKing 18-07-2005 11:32

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So five matches out of six after a champions league game for Arsenal is at home. I think Ferguson and Mourinho do have something to complain about.
No they don't.
1) They've not offered any evidence that having the game following a CL game at home helps you win things.

2) The quality of the opposition matters as well as the location

3) In the light of the lack of evidence in 1), you can make an equal case that having the *previous* CL game at home helps, in which case Arsenal are obviously being discriminated against, since they have 5 out of 6 away, and doubtless some will be on a Sunday before a Tuesday CL game, which leaves you two days to recover. Which is baloney as well.

4) Picking statistics carefully to support your 'case' doesn't prove anything other than ability to read a fixture list - you have to look at these things over a whole season, which we can't do for 2005/6*, but we can do for every season since 1999, which amazingly enough proves that JM and AF are talking out of their orifices.

5) In order for them to have something to complain about (unless they're complaining about the actions of chance, in which case they should be addressing their concerns to God, or whoever invented mathematics) they have to put up some evidence that someone is fixing the fixtures. Instead we get idiotic and ill-informed conspiracy theories about David Dein, who is elected by all 20 clubs to the FA, and has nothing to do with Premier League fixtures, which are set, er, by the Premier League, not the FA. It's like complaining that the holes in the road are the fault of a Masonic conspiracy. If you met a geezer in the pub who started on like that you'd assume paranoid schizophrenia and try and move away quietly.

6) You're assuming that matches never get moved, which they do, particularly around European games or late in the season due to cup ties. You can only draw firm conclusions from matches already played, which as we've seen shows that there's no bias in favour or against any team.

*Or can we? Assuming Arsenal get through the group stage again, when are the next six matchdays?
www.uefa.com has 21/22 Feb and 7/8 Mar

Currently Arsenal have these matches scheduled around then:
25/2/06 - Blackburn (A)
11/3/06 - Liverpool (H)

After that it's 28/29 Mar and 04/05 Apr
1/4/06 - Aston Villa (H)
8/4/06 - Man Utd (A)

After that it's 18/19 Apr and 25/26 Apr
22/4/06 - Tottenham (H)
29/4/06 - Sunderland (A)

So three at home, three away, and two of the home games are tricky ones, plus we get to go to Old Trafford after a European trip again, if we get to the quarter finals.

Chrysalis 18-07-2005 11:33

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I think they should both stop moaning and get on with it, chelsea and man utd both have massive squads and will cope anyway. Personally I find the relegation battle more exciting then the championship race.

Shadow Demon UK 18-07-2005 13:05

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Originally Posted by BBKing
No they don't.

I wasnt agreeing totally with what Mourinho and Ferguson said, i was just pointing out that Arsenals fixtures after Champions League games are mostly at home. I dont think Dein had anything to do with it, its just that compared to Chelsea and Man utd, Arsenal have a favourable fixture list. For example after one Champions league match United and Chelsea face each other and United have a game against Liverpool after one of thier other Champions League matches.

I dont think Mourinho and Ferguson were complaining about the fixtures because it would affect thier champions league campaigns but because of their Premiership title hopes, which is why i dont agree with what you said about matches before champions league games are just as important. The players after Champions League games will be tired, especially after away games, and in Chelseas and Uniteds case they will have to travel away from home where it will be more difficult to rest palyers compared to playing at home and away games are always much more difficult than home games.

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Originally Posted by BBKing
4) Picking statistics carefully to support your 'case' doesn't prove anything other than ability to read a fixture list

I was just using what information was availabile at the current time to show what Mourinho and Ferguson were talking about and they werent picked 'carefully' they were the statistics that the two managers were talking about.

sherer 18-07-2005 15:07

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what you keep forgetting is if there's one thing football managers like to do it's moan.. whatever fixture list they get they will complain..

if are you good enough then a fixture pile up shouldn't be a problem.. if you loose the team, and the squad, haven't performed on the day..moaning about past matches etc is just an excuse for a bad performance

yesman 18-07-2005 18:27

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Well it had to happen sooner or later........

http://storage.msn.com/x1pNWjjkHJ3o_...mzSibTjTP9uoVg

iadom 19-07-2005 18:30

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Q. Why will Man City players have to wash their shirts more often next season.


A. They will spend most of it carrying Cole around.:D



Also rumoured that they are after Mark Hughes and Eric Cantona.:)

sherer 19-07-2005 19:01

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sorry i don't get the joke.. it mentions washing and then the answer seems to be about spending money

Shadow Demon UK 19-07-2005 19:08

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Originally Posted by iadom
Rumoured that they are after Mark Hughes and Eric Cantona.:)

Is that another joke? :erm:

Mal 19-07-2005 19:17

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This makes a refreshing change to all the bickering about transfer fees ;)

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Originally Posted by BBC News
From next year, top European football matches will have to be shown in the UK on the internet at the same time as they are televised live, Uefa has ruled.

The body governing European football also specified that they will have to be shown by the same broadcaster.

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Also, can we have a separate thread for news about transfers etc, as they tend to get lost?

It's just that this thread has just turned into one big bicker. It's not even football banter. Just my :2cents: :)

iadom 19-07-2005 19:56

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Originally Posted by sherer
sorry i don't get the joke.. it mentions washing and then the answer seems to be about spending money

Edited for clarity.:)

Mal 21-07-2005 13:45

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Originally Posted by BBC News
Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson believes the reaction of the club's fans could force defender Rio Ferdinand out of Old Trafford.

I don't know what other people think about this, but I for one, would have been jeering as well.

I think that a bit of loyalty should be shown by Ferdinand to United.

After all the stick and abuse United got for sticking by him and paying him during the ban...

They have got to expect that a few fans to be angry, especially as United's offer isn't exactly small change.

Mal 22-07-2005 19:04

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Originally Posted by BBC News
Manchester City have sent midfielder Joey Barton home from their Thailand trip after he was allegedly involved in an altercation with an Everton fan.

Barton, 22, reportedly clashed with a 15-year-old fan of the Toffees, who are also in Thailand for the Asia Trophy.

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Originally Posted by BBC News
The 15-year-old allegedly made comments to Barton, prompting an altercation, and when Dunne stepped in as peacemaker, the midfielder rounded on him too.

Naughty boy :D

Mal 23-07-2005 22:26

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Originally Posted by BBC News
Inter Milan have cancelled their four game pre-season tour of England because of safety fears in the wake of the London bombings.

The Italian club were due to play Portsmouth, Leicester, Norwich and Crystal Palace in July.


Chrysalis 23-07-2005 22:44

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To add to this Leicester have announced they will be seeking damages following the commercial impact on the club eg. the celtic attendance would likely have been higher if the inter game wasnt scheduled as some fans chose one game over the other and the attendance was expected to be close to 30000. The club will be contacting the other 3 clubs first so a joint reaction can be made. Source here.

http://www.lcfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page...689814,00.html

nffc 23-07-2005 23:21

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
To add to this Leicester have announced they will be seeking damages following the commercial impact on the club eg. the celtic attendance would likely have been higher if the inter game wasnt scheduled as some fans chose one game over the other and the attendance was expected to be close to 30000. The club will be contacting the other 3 clubs first so a joint reaction can be made. Source here.

http://www.lcfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10274~689814,00.html

LCFC are fine ones to talk about financial morality. Do they think we have bloody short memories or something?

Chrysalis 25-07-2005 01:38

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crystal palace also say they are taking action so I would expect them to seek joint claim with leicester.

nffc dont start a pick on leics city debate, unless you want me to bring up nottingham forest refusing to pay their council tax and almost getting evicted. difference been you chose not to pay it, we was forced into administration after having our entire team up for sale but couldnt sell them and a certian agent forcing us into administration.

Tezcatlipoca 25-07-2005 01:40

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"Inter tour back on after re-think"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/4711717.stm

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Sports minister Richard Caborn has confirmed that Inter Milan will tour England as originally scheduled.

Inter were criticised for scrapping the four-game tour over security fears, but Caborn has since held talks with Italian sports minister Mario Pescante.

"It is very important that life goes on and sport is at the forefront of that," Caborn said.

"In London we had Grand Prix athletics and cricket this weekend. It's business as usual. We make no concessions."

The Italian club said there had been a misunderstanding and insisted they had taken their initial stance so as not to "further stretch the already severely occupied security services".

The Italian ambassador in London, Signor Giancarlo Aragona, told BBC Sport that the tour would go ahead, with the team due to fly into London on Sunday.

He added Inter had been involved in discussions with security services over the safety of the trip.

(snip)

iron25 25-07-2005 01:49

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Originally Posted by Matt D
"Inter tour back on after re-think"

I listened to an interview with the crystal palace chairman where he had a go at the italian club and I was so hoping that at the end he would say..."it's typical of the italian footballers, they're a bunch of big girl's blouses" :) but having said that most footballers are BGBs considering how hard they hit the deck at the slightest brush of a fingernail on their faces :mad: I can understand both sides of the argument but I think we all need to realise that it is simply a football match and not a matter of life and death whereas a terrorist bomb is :erm: Who cares whether they come or not :shrug:

Chrysalis 25-07-2005 01:56

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Originally Posted by iron25
I listened to an interview with the crystal palace chairman where he had a go at the italian club and I was so hoping that at the end he would say..."it's typical of the italian footballers, they're a bunch of big girl's blouses" :) but having said that most footballers are BGBs considering how hard they hit the deck at the slightest brush of a fingernail on their faces :mad: I can understand both sides of the argument but I think we all need to realise that it is simply a football match and not a matter of life and death whereas a terrorist bomb is :erm: Who cares whether they come or not :shrug:

Obviously I agree with you, but there was 2 key points here. First it gives the terrorists the idea they win by changing the way we live, cancelling that tour makes the terrorists happy.

It would be a big financial hit to the 4 english clubs involved since it is a big match and not only would they be refunding tickets sold for the match they would also have reduced attendences for games around it since fans might choose to only go for 1 game out of 2 or 3 and pick the inter game.
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Originally Posted by Matt D
"Inter tour back on after re-think"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/4711717.stm

Good to know, no doubt political pressure was involved.

nffc 25-07-2005 09:07

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
nffc dont start a pick on leics city debate, unless you want me to bring up nottingham forest refusing to pay their council tax and almost getting evicted. difference been you chose not to pay it, we was forced into administration after having our entire team up for sale but couldnt sell them and a certian agent forcing us into administration.

That's utter dross and I have absolutely no other comeback...

Failing to pay our council tax and almost getting evicted? :LOL: If I didn't think you were being serious that would make good comedy.

At least get your facts straight :)

Chrysalis 25-07-2005 17:45

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Facts are straight mate, it was on the east midlands news end of last season.

Forest were very close to having to use another ground for their home games this season.

nffc 25-07-2005 18:48

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
Facts are straight mate, it was on the east midlands news end of last season.

Forest were very close to having to use another ground for their home games this season.

Well it wasn't the council tax for starters.

yesman 26-07-2005 00:48

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Originally Posted by nffc
Well it wasn't the council tax for starters.

Was it to do this then ?

nffc 26-07-2005 08:17

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Originally Posted by yesman
Quote:

Originally Posted by nffc
Well it wasn't the council tax for starters.

Was it to do this then ?

Yes.

Forest took the loan out in 94 to pay for the Trent End so the ground could host Euro 96 matches
The CC were named as guarantors ie they had to pay if the club didn't
The club for some reason flunked on the debt- theory is the chairman did it to get the Council to restructure it as he had plans for the site - so the council had to pay it...

Nothing about council tax or nearly being evicted...

Chrysalis 26-07-2005 13:40

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Well, it was the debt I just knew they owed money to the council and yes you was nearly evicted. It was plastered all over the tv news for east midlands for a week.

nffc 26-07-2005 18:59

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
Well, it was the debt I just knew they owed money to the council and yes you was nearly evicted. It was plastered all over the tv news for east midlands for a week.

It was all talk. It would have been political suicide for the council to evict Forest in the run-up to local elections and create 30,000+ in one city who won't vote for them. Evicting Forest would also affect several businesses in the WB area who will lose a lot of their trade- and make them ****ed with the council too.

Basically Doughty was trying to get the debt restructured so he could get the freehold on the land and its environs for personal development plans. (IIRC) He was trying to use it as a bargain to get what he wanted- that's a capitalist for you. Except he hadn't factored in the public money factor so in the end he just paid it himself.

And they wouldn't have evicted us anyway seeing as the lease is extremely long-term (about 100 years left).

Russ 26-07-2005 20:28

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ur/4719445.stm

Always knew we'd see him in the Premiership one day, although I hoped it would be for Man United :D

yesman 26-07-2005 20:50

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Just in case anyone sees this who is a utd fan, they are on ITV2 right now playing Beijing Hyundai, yesterdays game ;)

Chrysalis 26-07-2005 23:57

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Originally Posted by nffc
It was all talk. It would have been political suicide for the council to evict Forest in the run-up to local elections and create 30,000+ in one city who won't vote for them. Evicting Forest would also affect several businesses in the WB area who will lose a lot of their trade- and make them ****ed with the council too.

Basically Doughty was trying to get the debt restructured so he could get the freehold on the land and its environs for personal development plans. (IIRC) He was trying to use it as a bargain to get what he wanted- that's a capitalist for you. Except he hadn't factored in the public money factor so in the end he just paid it himself.

And they wouldn't have evicted us anyway seeing as the lease is extremely long-term (about 100 years left).

That I agree with, it is hard to imagine them been actually evicted. Would cause chaos. Going back to Leics, Most fans are ashamed that the old board took such a big gamble and want it behind us, the current board is taking no such gambles, we spending less then clubs who dont have the parachute payment from been in the premiership as we are now making sure the figures add up. I just got angry that people dont see the administration thing as of how it actually happened we didnt deliberatly and want to goto administration and it is a distressing thing not knowing if your club will exist the next year, yes we came out of it very well but that was due to the administrator working a miracle and linekar with his consurtiom getting the cash together to recover.

Mal 27-07-2005 20:09

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Originally Posted by BBC News
Premiership footballer El-Hadji Diouf has been fined £100 for not having a television licence.

One court appearance down, one to go...

yesman 27-07-2005 20:17

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One court appearance down, one to go...

Shame the fine wasn't bigger as it could have been, but maybe he will cop it in the next trial.

marky 27-07-2005 20:22

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One court appearance down, one to go...

and hopefully a good few (on pitch) appearances this season :D

nffc 27-07-2005 20:24

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Originally Posted by Mal
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Originally Posted by BBC News
Premiership footballer El-Hadji Diouf has been fined £100 for not having a television licence.

One court appearance down, one to go...

That's less than a tv licence (£126). blooming disgrace.

Derek 28-07-2005 10:01

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You know I almost feel sorry for Celtic.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ic/4718461.stm

5-0....

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

TheBlueRaja 28-07-2005 21:16

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Hahahahahahahahahahaha - just got back after a couple of days away and couldnae wait to comment on this one - 5 - 0 defeat by the european equivalent of Total Network solutions - words cant express my joy!

Now if only Rangers would crash and die as well... :rofl:

yesman 29-07-2005 09:42

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Oh dear....

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Rio Ferdinand and Ruud van Nistelrooy had a furious bust-up as Manchester United lost to Kashima Antlers in the latest match of their Far Eastern tour.
Things don't seem to be going to well :td:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/4724625.stm

gazzae 29-07-2005 14:25

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Nice article here, might buy the book.

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Losing it

Thanks to a freak win in their final league game last year, East Stirlingshire narrowly avoided becoming the worst football team in Britain - ever. So what's it like to play for a club with a home gate of 200 and a weekly wage of just £10 (paid in cash)? Jeff Connor spent the following 12 months trying to find out. Ahead of the new season, we publish an extract from his book...

http://football.guardian.co.uk/comme...537429,00.html

Russ 29-07-2005 14:34

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4726823.stm

Drama in small Welsh Uefa tie.....

Paul K 29-07-2005 14:58

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Roooooooneeeeeey
Mr R may need to get his L plates back on.

ikthius 29-07-2005 15:31

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja
Hahahahahahahahahahaha - just got back after a couple of days away and couldnae wait to comment on this one - 5 - 0 defeat by the european equivalent of Total Network solutions - words cant express my joy!

Now if only Rangers would crash and die as well... :rofl:

I am going to fall out with you...........................:mad::disturbd: :bigcry:

ik
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Originally Posted by dezzo
You know I almost feel sorry for Celtic.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ic/4718461.stm

5-0....

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

and you.

ik

TheBlueRaja 30-07-2005 14:41

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Well, this is it - the start of the new season - im just about to grab my scarf, my ticket and my jacket and head out to watch Falkirk V ICT and im like a little kid getting all exited at the prospect.

COME ON YE BAIRNS!!! :D

(P.s. if we get beaten - be gentle :D )

Mal 30-07-2005 20:52

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja
Well, this is it - the start of the new season - im just about to grab my scarf, my ticket and my jacket and head out to watch Falkirk V ICT and im like a little kid getting all exited at the prospect.

COME ON YE BAIRNS!!! :D

(P.s. if we get beaten - be gentle :D )

Oh, well :D

marky 30-07-2005 20:54

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We lost 1-0 against hull:bigcry:

nffc 30-07-2005 20:57

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2-2 with torquay after being 2-0 up :erm:

TheBlueRaja 31-07-2005 13:33

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Oh, well :D

:cry: - You just couldnt let it lie could ya! :D

ikthius 31-07-2005 15:02

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A dismal display yesterday by the hoops.

they threw away 3-1 lead to come out 4-4.

I am not slating Gordon Stachan, but I am slating the defence. they should not even be allowed to play school boy football.

:td:

ik

Chrysalis 01-08-2005 07:15

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too early to judge strachan he doesnt have his own team yet and the squad are used to MON tactics, but MON is a hard act to follow you can expect his team to give 120% so any manager replacing him is going to struggle.

ikthius 01-08-2005 09:32

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
too early to judge strachan he doesnt have his own team yet and the squad are used to MON tactics, but MON is a hard act to follow you can expect his team to give 120% so any manager replacing him is going to struggle.

A footballer should be able to play any tactics, that is why they are professional and get paid lots.

Strachan is a good manager, and I hope he can get the best out of Celtic :angel:



But Balde has not been playing football since he wanted to leave in january, he may have lost us the league because of it. time to let him go IMO.

Varga started out great but is flaging now, what is his problem, is it because martin has gone? Martin was great No doubt, but he was bought to play football for the club, not the man.

Mo Camara, does not even sit in defence although he is a left back! why? slow and is not got a good defensive eye. why did we buy him?

We need good solid defence to go any further in europe and dare I say it.... the league.

I am fine with the keepers, although I would have Marshall as second goalkeeper, and thte new Boruc dude as first pick.

a decent midfield, in Nakamura, Petrov, McGeady (although he is greedy, never plays an easy ball, and runs into trouble). let lennon go, he is a bit slow, good eye, but lacks essential pace. Thompson has lost it totally, a few nice crosses is all he has left.

we have enough strikers, but I hope strachan can find the perfect team here, wether it be Maloney + Hartson/ majiec (or whatever his name is) + aliadier (french boy) or even Maloney, Aliadier with sutton sitting just behind, who knows, we have good guys who can score.

My main problem is with footballers who get paid sh*t loads of money to play a sport most of us wish we could play better, but they don't seem to perform anymore. they are professional. they should be playing for their wages, not when it suits them. I would punish the ones responsible by placing thtem in the youth team until they understood that they are a team player and will play any tactic they are given, and play where they are placed (obviously they have better positions).

there is no I in team.

ik

gazzae 01-08-2005 16:36

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:D

Young Boys ****dorf erection relief

The supporters of Young Boys Bern have not had too much to celebrate in the 19 years since their team last won the Swiss league title.

But this weekend Young Boys sought to shake off their old image by officially opening the 32,000 Stade de Suisse ****dorf stadium -- which cost 350 million Swiss francs ($271.3 million) -- with an uncharacteristically flashy homecoming party.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlin...337901&cc=5739

TheBlueRaja 01-08-2005 17:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikthius
A footballer should be able to play any tactics, that is why they are professional and get paid lots.

Strachan is a good manager, and I hope he can get the best out of Celtic :angel:



But Balde has not been playing football since he wanted to leave in january, he may have lost us the league because of it. time to let him go IMO.

Varga started out great but is flaging now, what is his problem, is it because martin has gone? Martin was great No doubt, but he was bought to play football for the club, not the man.

Mo Camara, does not even sit in defence although he is a left back! why? slow and is not got a good defensive eye. why did we buy him?

We need good solid defence to go any further in europe and dare I say it.... the league.

I am fine with the keepers, although I would have Marshall as second goalkeeper, and thte new Boruc dude as first pick.

a decent midfield, in Nakamura, Petrov, McGeady (although he is greedy, never plays an easy ball, and runs into trouble). let lennon go, he is a bit slow, good eye, but lacks essential pace. Thompson has lost it totally, a few nice crosses is all he has left.

we have enough strikers, but I hope strachan can find the perfect team here, wether it be Maloney + Hartson/ majiec (or whatever his name is) + aliadier (french boy) or even Maloney, Aliadier with sutton sitting just behind, who knows, we have good guys who can score.

My main problem is with footballers who get paid sh*t loads of money to play a sport most of us wish we could play better, but they don't seem to perform anymore. they are professional. they should be playing for their wages, not when it suits them. I would punish the ones responsible by placing thtem in the youth team until they understood that they are a team player and will play any tactic they are given, and play where they are placed (obviously they have better positions).

there is no I in team.

ik

You know - all i have heard this week in the press and on the radio is celtic fans phoning in and wingeing about how bad they are and how crap Strachans signing were etc etc, so its good to get a different outlook on it ikthius :tu:

Celtic are still coming together as a team, the performance midweek was a disaster i will agree, but Motherwell at the weekend was another story - they scored some fantastic goals that were not defensive mistakes, rather they were well crafted strikes.

For some Celtic fans to be banging on already about how Stachan should go and how the team is crap this year is quite frankly ludicrous and shows them up for the glory hunting idiots that most of them are.

Europe may be over for Celtic - but there another 37 games to go in the league.

Raistlin 01-08-2005 17:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikthius
there is no I in team.

ik

But if you look closely enough you'll find a me :)

ikthius 01-08-2005 17:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja
Quote:

Originally Posted by ikthius
<snip>

You know - all i have heard this week in the press and on the radio is celtic fans phoning in and wingeing about how bad they are and how crap Strachans signing were etc etc, so its good to get a different outlook on it ikthius :tu:

Celtic are still coming together as a team, the performance midweek was a disaster i will agree, but Motherwell at the weekend was another story - they scored some fantastic goals that were not defensive mistakes, rather they were well crafted strikes.

For some Celtic fans to be banging on already about how Stachan should go and how the team is crap this year is quite frankly ludicrous and shows them up for the glory hunting idiots that most of them are.

Europe may be over for Celtic - but there another 37 games to go in the league.

yes I can agree they were good goals, well one was, 3 of Motherwells goals should not have been allowed to happen, the one were the small forward beat 2 huge centre halfs!?!?!?!? something wrong there, they should have dealt with it properly.

I think celtics mentallity is that they are better then any team in scotland besides rangers, and the european minnows we played, we are not giving teams the respect they deserve.

the only player on the park on saturday that was wanting to play well and win was shaun maloney, he played his heart out. Petrov played well but not his best.

the usual players had a stinker apart from hartson, he did do justice and headered 2 and scored the penalty.

plus the players are not playing to the whistle, they look to the ref with puppy dog eyes and let the opposition play on, then we have a few players out of the game because they cannot beliee their luck at not getting the free kick/penalty.

Poor Falkirk didn't have a good scoreline, but how did they play?

I think your manager John Hughes, will have them playing better throughout the season.
__________________

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raistlin
Quote:

Originally Posted by ikthius
there is no I in team.

ik

But if you look closely enough you'll find a me :)

only an anagram

ik

TheBlueRaja 01-08-2005 18:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikthius
Poor Falkirk didn't have a good scoreline, but how did they play?

I think your manager John Hughes, will have them playing better throughout the season.

Really well actually - i left wondering what the hell went wrong to be honest. I think that Brewster got his tactics spot on - thinking we would come out and play how we did in the first, by holding onto the ball and trying to build up to an attack by passing the ball around liverpool style, which we did. Unfortunatly we rarely created any chances and Caley sat back and waited for us to make mistakes (becuase were not liverpool after all) and then took us on the counter attack.

We had about 60% of the possesion during the game but had very few shots, (i think the official stats were that we had 6 and they had 16 shots).

A good lesson for Hughes i think. Also, our young boy up from Duffy is a bit on the weak side, too easy to fall over, he's going to need to toughen up a bit.

We will definately improve though - im sure of that.

ikthius 01-08-2005 18:23

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I have still to see them in action this season.

ik

Russ 01-08-2005 19:47

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I hope the rumoured transfer of Owen to United goes through - it'll annoy the scousers no end and he'll be an excellent replacement for the past-his-best RVN.

yesman 01-08-2005 23:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ D
I hope the rumoured transfer of Owen to United goes through - it'll annoy the scousers no end and he'll be an excellent replacement for the past-his-best RVN.

Maybe it is the shot in the arm Nistelrooy needs, I don't think I could stand watching another whole season of him falling all over the place like he has been pole axed, he even done it against Beijing Hyundai :mad:

Nice to see Rooney leading from the front without the sidelined Nistelrooy, in the last game of the Far Eastern Tour *Link*

Rooney & Owen should make a good strike force, should it happen.

Chrysalis 02-08-2005 04:06

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I have never rated RVN, nearly all his goals are pretty much point blank range, so I dont think its the case of him been not so good I think its just defenders working him out. He needs pinpoint service to the goal mouth and if he doesnt get it he wont score.

marky 02-08-2005 04:25

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i cant believe this you guys are from everywhere and talking man :sick: td

i come from bolton and support bolton my wife is from eerrmm chichester and supports some southern team but back where i was... is this glory hunting or true love for a team?

Chrysalis 02-08-2005 08:32

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they keeping the man utd tradition of supporting the club they are in no proximity to :)

Nugget 02-08-2005 09:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markymoan
i cant believe this you guys are from everywhere and talking man :sick: td

i come from bolton and support bolton my wife is from eerrmm chichester and supports some southern team but back where i was... is this glory hunting or true love for a team?

I can't speak for the others, but I seem to remember that Russ used to live in Manchester.

As for me, I may live in Grimsby but I grew up about 5 miles from Aston and 4 miles from West Bromwich, so I had a choice between West Brom and Villa, and chose Villa :)

Russ 02-08-2005 12:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markymoan
i cant believe this you guys are from everywhere and talking man :sick: td

i come from bolton and support bolton my wife is from eerrmm chichester and supports some southern team but back where i was... is this glory hunting or true love for a team?

Seeing as I've followed them since 1985 and lived there til I was 4, this ain't a gloryhunter ;)

punky 02-08-2005 12:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nugget
As for me, I may live in Grimsby but I grew up about 5 miles from Aston and 4 miles from West Bromwich, so I had a choice between West Brom and Villa, and chose Villa :)

Glory seeker!! :p:

Nah, I am just jealous, because I live about 20 minutes drive from Spurs and about 30 mins from Highbury. Still, you play the hand you are dealt.

It is a shame, if I lived 10 mins away in one direction I could have been a much happier, less bitter man (with more hair too).

Nugget 02-08-2005 12:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by punky
Glory seeker!! :p:

I'm just glad that I didn't live nearer the Blue rubbish on the other side of the city :shocked:

Mind you, I lived in Walsall until I was 6 but hey, I wasn't old enough to make an informed choice then :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by punky
Nah, I am just jealous, because I live about 20 minutes drive from Spurs and about 30 mins from Highbury. Still, you play the hand you are dealt.

It is a shame, if I lived 10 mins away in one direction I could have been a much happier, less bitter man (with more hair too).

You do realise that the Villa are one of the main reasons for my follicle challenge, don't you :disturbd:

gazzae 02-08-2005 12:34

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Man Utd rule out Owen bid

Manchester United have reportedly joined Arsenal, Chelski and Liverpool in ruling out a move for Michael Owen.
The Daily Telegraph claims that 'well-informed sources' have told the newspaper that Man Utd 'have no plans to sign' Owen.

http://www.football365.com/teams/man...y_158497.shtml


Man Utd agree deal for Ballack

Manchester United have reportedly secured a deal that will see Michael Ballack leave Bayern Munich for Old Trafford †“ but only in a yearâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s time.

http://www.football365.com/teams/man...y_158482.shtml

Russ 02-08-2005 13:50

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Not happy about that Owen report - I'd love to see him and Rooney up front. I don't see the problem with his wages though - getting rid of RVN will certainly help.

Mal 02-08-2005 14:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markymoan
i cant believe this you guys are from everywhere and talking man :sick: td

i come from bolton and support bolton my wife is from eerrmm chichester and supports some southern team but back where i was... is this glory hunting or true love for a team?

Oh back on that old chestnut are we?

I'm half way between OT and Burnden Park, but thankfully my family were kind and considerate and made me follow Man Utd, not Bolton. :) That was before the 1992/93 by the way ;)

Maybe when they set up the FA, they should have set a rule that you have to live within a certain distance from a club? It would be tough for those living in remote areas, but hey....

skyblueheroes 02-08-2005 15:41

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Not read any of this thread but just wanted to say......

COME ON YOU SKY BLUES !!!

yesman 02-08-2005 18:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markymoan
i cant believe this you guys are from everywhere and talking man :sick: td

i come from bolton and support bolton my wife is from eerrmm chichester and supports some southern team but back where i was... is this glory hunting or true love for a team?

http://community.shwing.com/forum/im...es/yawning.gif

Chrysalis 02-08-2005 20:12

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Crystal Palace have fended of premiership clubs and signed andy johnson up for 5 years, good news that been relegated doesnt always mean losing your best players but bad news for the rest of the league :(

ikthius 02-08-2005 23:02

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Celtic played really well tonight.

I am happy with the scoreline, happy with the performance. But just a bit sad we could not get that extra much needed fifth goal.

Well done CELTIC

IK

yesman 03-08-2005 00:10

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btw nffc, you were right , not sure how your team was made up though, all youngsters ?

nffc 03-08-2005 00:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yesman
btw nffc, you were right , not sure how your team was made up though, all youngsters ?

That's kids and rejects.
Paddy Gamble - kid
Ricky Hanson - trialist
Alan Rogers - fat useless scouse tw*t reject
Paul Evans- lower division clogger, about the only real first teamer
John Thompson - just come back from serious injury
Justyn Roberts - kid
James Beaumont- promising attacking midfielder but still lightweight- kid
Adam Nowland - Saskia's ex and a massive sicknote
Neil Harris- ex-Cambridge City, only started 1 game under Megson in 4 months. Also has personal problems
John-Paul Pitman - kid
Mick Heywood - kid or trialist (can't remember)

That's hardly strong enough to be classed as a reserve XI but even so, I don't even think it was designated 1st XI. Still... ;)

Edit: compare that with what should start v Huddersfield on Sat

Gerrard / Pedersen
Eaden Morgan Breckin Padula/Curtis
Southall Holt Friio/Bopp/Gardner Commons
and 2 from Dobie, Taylor, Johnson (probably the first two)

yesman 03-08-2005 00:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nffc
That's kids and rejects.
Paddy Gamble - kid
Ricky Hanson - trialist
Alan Rogers - fat useless scouse tw*t reject
Paul Evans- lower division clogger, about the only real first teamer
John Thompson - just come back from serious injury
Justyn Roberts - kid
James Beaumont- promising attacking midfielder but still lightweight- kid
Adam Nowland - Saskia's ex and a massive sicknote
Neil Harris- ex-Cambridge City, only started 1 game under Megson in 4 months. Also has personal problems
John-Paul Pitman - kid
Mick Heywood - kid or trialist (can't remember)

That's hardly strong enough to be classed as a reserve XI but even so, I don't even think it was designated 1st XI. Still... ;)

Edit: compare that with what should start v Huddersfield on Sat

Gerrard / Pedersen
Eaden Morgan Breckin Padula/Curtis
Southall Holt Friio/Bopp/Gardner Commons
and 2 from Dobie, Taylor, Johnson (probably the first two)

Yep, just a run out for both sides then, United's side was full of trialists except three, Duncan, Quinton and Gleeson, all the rest are hoping they are offered a contract, the club only came out of admin 2 weeks ago, meaning, I don't give the club much hope in the conference this coming season

nffc 03-08-2005 00:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yesman
Quote:

Originally Posted by nffc
That's kids and rejects.
Paddy Gamble - kid
Ricky Hanson - trialist
Alan Rogers - fat useless scouse tw*t reject
Paul Evans- lower division clogger, about the only real first teamer
John Thompson - just come back from serious injury
Justyn Roberts - kid
James Beaumont- promising attacking midfielder but still lightweight- kid
Adam Nowland - Saskia's ex and a massive sicknote
Neil Harris- ex-Cambridge City, only started 1 game under Megson in 4 months. Also has personal problems
John-Paul Pitman - kid
Mick Heywood - kid or trialist (can't remember)

That's hardly strong enough to be classed as a reserve XI but even so, I don't even think it was designated 1st XI. Still... ;)

Edit: compare that with what should start v Huddersfield on Sat

Gerrard / Pedersen
Eaden Morgan Breckin Padula/Curtis
Southall Holt Friio/Bopp/Gardner Commons
and 2 from Dobie, Taylor, Johnson (probably the first two)

Yep, just a run out for both sides then, United's side was full of trialists except three, Duncan, Quinton and Gleeson, all the rest are hoping they are offered a contract, the club only came out of admin 2 weeks ago, meaning, I don't give the club much hope in the conference this coming season

Seems like it, dunnit...

Anyway best of luck to the Us for next season... :)

gazzae 03-08-2005 16:02

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LOL has the Rangers site been hacked? ..

http://www.rangers.premiumtv.co.uk/p...5~5887,00.html

Roy MM 03-08-2005 16:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gazzae
LOL has the Rangers site been hacked? ..

http://www.rangers.premiumtv.co.uk/p...5~5887,00.html


Wishful thinking me thinks. :p:

nffc 03-08-2005 16:54

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Clubs: Nottm Forest. I remember that... :) what a side we had :(

gazzae 03-08-2005 23:23

Re: The Football Thread 2005/2006 Season
 
Lee Bowyer signs for exeter...
http://www.exetercityfc.premiumtv.co...6~5720,00.html

Owen signs for Villa
http://www.avfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page...5~5829,00.html


:D

Seems the Premium TV sites all share the same database so you can get any players coming up on any site if you know the number code of that player.

Great for playing jokes on your mates!

Roy MM 03-08-2005 23:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gazzae
Lee Bowyer signs for exeter...
http://www.exetercityfc.premiumtv.co...6~5720,00.html

Owen signs for Villa
http://www.avfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page...5~5829,00.html


:D

Seems the Premium TV sites all share the same database so you can get any players coming up on any site if you know the number code of that player.

Great for playing jokes on your mates!

Great now who can i wind up.................... endless list, the codes will be appreciated. :)

nffc 03-08-2005 23:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gazzae
Lee Bowyer signs for exeter...
http://www.exetercityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Squad/Profiles/0,,10436~5720,00.html

Owen signs for Villa
http://www.avfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Squad/Profiles/0,,10265~5829,00.html


:D

Seems the Premium TV sites all share the same database so you can get any players coming up on any site if you know the number code of that player.

Great for playing jokes on your mates!

Hehe that's funny.

/nips off for a bit of fun

yesman 04-08-2005 18:16

Re: The Football Thread 2005/2006 Season
 
Well this is a surprise :shocked:

sherer 04-08-2005 18:36

Re: The Football Thread 2005/2006 Season
 
well i'm glad he's gone.. he was never any good.. couldn't pass the ball and had no vision.. all he ever did was pass to whoever was 5 yards to his left or right.. he had no defending brain and always stood in the wrong place and gave stupid fouls and pens away

he wasn't good enough to get 1 cap let along 50 :Yikes:

gazzae 05-08-2005 11:09

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Tight-fisted Glazer stops Owen transfer

According to a report in The Guardian, 'Sir Alex Ferguson has been placed under far stricter financial restrictions than had been anticipated under the Glazer regime. The official line from the new owners was that significant funds were available but, privately, Ferguson has been told the priority is to offload players, a policy that gathered momentum with the £3.5m transfer of Phil Neville to Everton.'

http://www.football365.com/teams/man...y_158786.shtml

sherer 05-08-2005 11:40

Re: The Football Thread 2005/2006 Season
 
don't forget Ole is coming back soon so with him Ruud, Rooney, Smith and Saha do we need Owen

Mal 05-08-2005 13:00

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Link
Quote:

Manchester United captain Roy Keane has been voted the hardest football player ever.The Irish star beat Chelsea's legendary defender Ron 'Chopper" Harris - famed for his brutal tackles - into second place and Vinnie Jones into third
Full list :knock:

gazzae 05-08-2005 13:21

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From the above link...
Quote:

He deliberately injured Manchester City's Alf Inge Haaland with a vicious tackle and wrote in his book: "I'd waited long enough. I hit him hard. The ball was there (I think)."

Haaland's career was ended by the tackle.

It followed a previous match when Keane was injured and Haaland accused him of play acting.
No it wasn't.
Keane's tackle injured Haaland's right leg, Haaland has admited himself that it was problems with his left leg that caused his retirement.

Chrysalis 05-08-2005 23:54

Re: The Football Thread 2005/2006 Season
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sherer
don't forget Ole is coming back soon so with him Ruud, Rooney, Smith and Saha do we need Owen

A man utd fan with sense?

4 strikers is enough for most teams.

yesman 05-08-2005 23:59

Re: The Football Thread 2005/2006 Season
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mal
Link

Full list :knock:

I think Dave Mackay would have eaten Vinnie Jones for breakfast...........

iadom 06-08-2005 00:27

Re: The Football Thread 2005/2006 Season
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yesman
I think Dave Mackay would have eaten Vinnie Jones for breakfast...........

I have to agree, Dave Mackay is the only one on that list who was really HARD, but unlike most of the others, he was never dirty. And my vote for the dirtiest player of the past 30 years would go to Souness, a real coward who used to go into a fracas on the blind side to kick people.

Chrysalis 06-08-2005 04:33

Re: The Football Thread 2005/2006 Season
 
Leics finally have the much needed 4th striker having taken on Elvis Hammond from fulham on a 5month loan, the striker has only scored 1 Goal in a senior game in his career but his career has been mainly reserve games where he has been a prolific scorer, quite a gamble but creates competition for places up front.

source

nffc 06-08-2005 08:01

Re: The Football Thread 2005/2006 Season
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis
Leics finally have the much needed 4th striker having taken on Elvis Hammond from fulham on a 5month loan, the striker has only scored 1 Goal in a senior game in his career but his career has been mainly reserve games where he has been a prolific scorer, quite a gamble but creates competition for places up front.

source

Sounds like Scott Dobie then.

TheBlueRaja 07-08-2005 12:06

Re: The Football Thread 2005/2006 Season
 
Russell, Russell Latapy, Russell, Russell Latapy
2-0 The Bairns - after humping Livingston off the park to take our first ever SPL win.

Falkirk FC are on the up - still we have to play Celtic next week, cant say im over enthusiatic at the prospect but im sure we will give it a go.. :eek:

Match Report

Russ 07-08-2005 18:59

Re: The Football Thread 2005/2006 Season
 
Well...seeing as certain Arse fans are unsurprisingly nowhere to be found, I'll be the one to say it:

Didn't they get their Arsenal spanked today?

yesman 08-08-2005 00:04

Re: The Football Thread 2005/2006 Season
 
Arsenal's new Emirates stadium is starting to look impressive I must say.

sherer 08-08-2005 12:42

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seems strange to me that this has cost half as much as wembley and gone up in half the time as well


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