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I don't think it's fair on the 300K users who want 1MB. Only 5GB of bandwidth per month? Forget that, I'm sticking with 300K :mad:

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I would imagine that the AUP will have to be re-written to take account of these new speeds and their allowances. This will probably result in the present guidelines being withdrawn and replaced with something along the lines of the new allowances. We will have to wait and see.

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I personally don't use my connection as much as i used to, i rarely go over the cap now, i'm not a heavy user anymore.

To ask YOU a question though.. if it's not right for people to utilize a 3mb connection, why the hell is it being offered at all? So people can access the skynews website in 0.4 seconds, rather than 0.8 seconds?

I just don't understand why Ntl would offer a 3mb service and put a 40GB cap on it. Even 3mb access in general is faulted. There aren't many P2P networks that will allow you to download at 370k/sec while only uploading at 25k/sec. A lot of websites don't support that kind of speed on large downloads. Most IRC rooms for downloading are limited too, and you'll find it quite difficult to find a room that will allow you to download at that speed, without first being a sharer yourself, with good upload speeds. You won't get that speed downloading files off many people on msn, yahoo chat, etc, as it's dependent on the other users upload speed.
So you're probably left with some websites, newsgroups (which never work on ntl anyway) and possibly some FTP servers.

It really is a case of buying a car that does 180mph, because it looks good, sounds good and makes you feel better. Then driving at 70mph to stay within the law.

Is anyone planning on using the 3mb service? What are your thoughts on it? Why are you getting it, and what will you use it for?

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Ah, indeed yes. I'd therefore like to withdraw my complaint, in which I complained about peoply complaining about me complaining about people complaining, and instead complain about myself for not properly reading the message which commented on the comedy of complaining about complaining.

I hope that this clarifies matters .... :erm:

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Just a thought:

If NTL are able to end the free and half price months for new users, due to the more competitively priced services being offered, then new users will be, on average, about £25 worse off albeit getting more overall. If this turns out to be the case then everyone will have paid the £25, directly or indirectly, get my gist.


By the way, just checked..... still on 1.5MB/S upgrade hasn't happend yet :drool:

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I can be sure I will either stay on 300k (1gb a day) or upgrade to 2mb (30gb a month). 5gb is simply not enough, I will admit some months I will be under, but some months I will go considerably over, depends if I want to download a demo or something. Good marketing technique from NTL if you ask me, getting people to upgrade from 300k to 2mb, just because it's only £7 extra a month for the same cap as 300k but 6 and 2/3 faster? NTL have my vote for 2mb i think :D

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Well if you buy this car and go to its max on public roads hope you have a good bank balanace and a good chauffer for when you can't drive it anymore. :angel:


Considering using it yes not because I want 3mb just it seems a good bargain.

Looking at what has been put forward it almost looks like NTL have taken parts from everyones demands when they first introduced the 1 gig guidelines...

To give my family a quick internet service allowing them to listen to music send images or even talk over IP without lagging the other users on the network.
Hobbies, course work, webdesign, emails and keeping in touch with family abroad......

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:clap: :clap:

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3 meg eh? if by the time my ADSL contract runs out in 10 months time there's no option for me to get 3+ meg DSL, I'll get that 'everso professional' NTL installation engineer round with his big drill to ruin my drive yet again!

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Your right most singular web hosts give out about 250 - 300 Kbits/Sec but i easily get 6-7Mbits/Sec on popular torrents at work.


Overall im amazed this has happened and cant wait for my 2Mbit now. Outstanding move ntl. 1Mbit is very affordable for £18 5gig cap is stingy but theres a lot of people who want instant surfing who dont download distro's/games/media and wont go over that cap i.e my parents :)

2Mbit and a 30gig cap is fair play. If you download more than a gig consequtivly over 3 days then you deserve to be banned because your blatently leeching and performing illegal activities or just pay extra for the 40gig bandwidth liberties.

Providing ntl have p2p cache in place and the proxies are working well with QOS and auto balacning scripts on the UBR i dont see why the network would suffer from this.

Roll on next year!!

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I have no objection to paying the £25 to upgrade as this is quite a good deal / opportunity... however.

Can the network cope with it?

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=19538

Also, re all the discussion re the caps, what the heck is everyone downloading????

Is my 120GB hard drive not going to be big enough???

;-)

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What P2P networks have you heard of?! Only eDonkey and BitTorrent really do much to check you're not leeching. And yes, I do know what I'm on about.

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I'm currently on 750K/128K and I guess I will fork out £25 for 2M/128K, but I'd much rather have 1M/256K for my money.

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It will be perfect, just delete the files once they are downloaded, you can never find them later on your disk anyway. :D

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:rofl: :clap: :rofl: :clap:

And you will be able to rub it into the faces of those who cannot get NTL :D

(I told my Boss that this was happening and he called me a jammy B%$^$%^ - and he is right, I actually feel that I am lucky to live in an NTL broadband area...)

ok - enough from me - I seem to be turning pro-NTL - how can that be... :Yikes: could this mean they are doing what we want ?

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DOCSIS 2 sounds a really good idea then - I'm sure my Terayon modem came with a spec that said DOCSIS 2 ready some 3 years ago!

NTL have got to raise the 64k upstream on the 300 (1Mbps) or ADSL advertising will just make a meal of the speed increases.

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i think someone like BBking should be a better person to answer what bandwidth on the current system upload wise is available, whether it would be viable to increase upload speeds without crippling the system, or a DOCSIS change being the only costly alternative.

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BBKing is asleep so...

Cable networks use 2 types of cards.

MC16 - 1 downstream 6 upstream
MC28 - 2 downstreams, 4 upstreams to each downstream.

The two types of modulation used in upstreams are QPSK (Quadrature Phase Shift Keying) and 16QAM (16 point constellation Quadrature Amplitude Modulation). 16QAM requires insanely clean networks so QPSK is in use in 99% of cable networks around the world.

ntl use 3.2MHz wide upstreams, these allow 2.56 million symbols/second (think of a symbol as a snapshot of an RF wave). QPSK modulation means each symbol can carry 2 bits.

This gives a rate of 5.12Mbit/s per upstream.

Take from this all the overheads (DOCSIS is quite overheads heavy) and it leaves you with maybe 4Mbit/s of usable IP bandwidth.

From there you can do the maths yourself, bearing in mind that each card costs several thousand quid, and that each card needs its' own HFC path downstream and at least 1 if not more HFC paths upstream (these are the expensive part big fibre runs and laying fibre is still amazingly expensive) and it puts into context a bit the complexity and cost.

May seem great having all that upstream there for downstreams, but modems can travel between upstreams, and upstreams don't have to be anywhere near maxed out before pings suffer and downloading gets slowed down.

Hope this helps a bit, apologies to those whose eyes glazed over right at the start :)

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I'm torn between several options, not all of which are on the poll.

1. If it's offered, stay exactly the same, 300k, 1Gb/day soft cap, do not pay £25 admin fee, do not pass go
2. Pay £25 admin fee only, and go to 1Gb - but that 5Gb cap looms uncomfortably quickly at that speed.
3. Grudgingly pay £25 admin fee AND move to 2Gb, in order to retain the same cap level
4. Shop around for a ADSL deal.

If the capping was pro-rata - 15Gb on 1, 30Gb on 2 and 45Gb on 3, I'd be queuing tp pay the admin fee, even with 10Gb.

I guess I need to tight monitor, and see just how close to the 5Gb barrier (allowing for for some increase due to faster transfer), I am already.

I'd rather see the bottom tier a bit slower, than heavily capped - and it would have made more sense if they'd simply added a top 3 Gbit tier, and rescaled the prices on the rest?

Ho long before they end up merging with Telewest anyway, and whaich way round would that go (yeah, we can guess, the worst of both worlds!)

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Nice bit of info there. :tu:

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I would find the 1meg a problem but as I already pay £24.99 the 2meg is fine with that limit IMPO

This wouldn't have solved NTL customers problems. None would have moved to the usage limits un less they was offered something to move over, I joined NTL on a no usage limit BB and then they added the AUP this caused a lot of problems which I can see NTL have learnt from and are altering the service allowing the customers to select which they want. Another good idea IMPO.


:nono: stop being so negative try to look at the good 3mb for £37.99 not £50

Why not for once give some credit where its due NTL have listened and put together a way forward into the future

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:cry:
Enough!

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Kits we could give it away for free and some would complain :rolleyes:

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DC++, eDonkey/eMule, BitTorrent, BearShare, to name but a few. MOST P2P networks have anti-leech facilities. They may not openly tell you, but it IS part of the software. You'll also find that unless you're downloading VERY popular files (illegal mainly) you won't get anywhere near your full download speeds anyway.

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I may be wrong here, but the more connections you have, the more upload speed you need, so if the whole family are using the computer to listen to music, send images etc, won't it still lag?

Could someone that knows clear this up?

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and they would still not be satisfied until they'd had a word with retentions and scammed a further discount and the company ended up paying them :mad:

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I think for £18 a month you cant expect both a high speed and a massive allowance. If you want something more substantal then pay the extra £7 or stick with your existing 300k tier. A lot of ADSL priced at the under £20 market have either a low speed or a low GB allowance - arent there some where you can only use 1GB a month?!

The wanadoo £18 a month option gives you 1mb and an allowance of 2GB!
rising to a whopping 6GB for £23 a month!!!

Then £28 a month for a 30GB allowance - still on 1mb - BUT NTL offer 2mb for £25 a month with the same 30GB allowance!!!!

Virgin offer 512k ADSL for £18 a month with a 3GB allowance.

BT broadband basic offer 512k with a 1GB monthly allowance for £18 a month - so NTL offer 5 times the allowance and double the d/l speed!!!


It depends what you're using it for - if all the family are on line and you use web cams on chat (for example) then you might end up with problems but if you're all surfing then you shouldnt notice.

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Eclipse's Home 250 product is £17.99 per month an offers: 250kbps down; 256kbps up; unlimited download. Also, for an extra charge, you can temporarily boost the download speed - they call it Flexing.

http://www.eclipse.net.uk/index.cfm?...entialservices
(click both 'information' buttons for full details)

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You need a small amount of upload for tcp acks to get back to the far end, but 128k is plenty for a 3m download. The only time you would suffer (as now) is if you max out your upload while trying to download as well.

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Thanks for the info, I'm pretty sure the cards had to be upgraded to provide the higher download speeds, so there is a bit of capacity in the system. I do not believe it is technical though, the speeds are marketted on the headline figure of download and ntl don't want people to downgrade and pay less!

Are ntl really proposing to provide

down/up

1000/64
2000/128
3000/256

Connections?

The standard ADSL is

512/256

Why don't ntl double the upload speeds and include it in the cap (as I believe capped ADSL does)?

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The deal is very competative there is no doubt that it is much better than what is being offered by most ASDL providers and NTL should be applauded for it. Caps though are a retrograde step IMO it's all very well saying it's the way things are now all providers are going this way etc but in the end they will have to open up the networks and remove the caps as speeds increase further in the next few years although in this country it will probably take a few years longer and probably require OFCOM to step in at some point.

Although we are getting a little ahead of ourselves again as we still don't know how caps will be enforced or what charges per gig will be made if NTL make these charges as competative as the new tiers then I think we cant really complain too much i.e. around a pound per gig.

Although (sorry to go on lol) with the new tiers

1Mb with a 5GB cap = £3.59 per gig
2Mb = £0.83 per gig
3Mb = £0.94 per gig

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So are NTL going to provide an ACCURATE means of monitoring bandwidth use then?

If they don't (as is the case now) then I can't see they can reasonably enforce their "cap" as the end user, especially those with a home network, can't see how much bandwidth they are using.

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No, as the people with 750K still pay £25.99 a month for 30GB allowance. I'm not paying £7 more as I can't afford it, and I'm not able to get ADSL or anything else. NTL is my only option here, I think they could put the 1MB allowance up though, to at least 10GB. Then I would be able to play my games at least :(

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if they did that (increase the 1mb allowance to 10gb) then there'd be less incentive to buy the 2mb product and they'd also be offering an incentive to some £25 a month people to downgrade to the low tier.

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The Current preposed caps are just I'll conceived. :mad:

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Well I'll be sticking with 300K or moving to another ISP when possible because I don't like the way NTL just drop our allowance like that :mad:

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you might find the 5gb limit isnt stringently enforced? you say you'd prefer 10gb - perhaps it's worth sticking with NTL and waiting until you're hassled about how much you use. ;) the existing 1gb a day limit is known to be stretched by a number of users!

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Wish there was a program that could do that, since I mostly play games, talk to people on TeamSpeak, listen to music streams and browse forums :erm:

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sorry Richard :sorry: :rofl: :Sprint:

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Scott - there are loads of free bandwidth monitors out there -MRTG/PRTG for example.

have a look here bandwidth stuff

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PRTG is great:

heres mine: http://www.badnbusy.co.uk/prtg.htm

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Who knows what may come next year ;)

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Thanks, downloaded EMSA bandwidth monitor (nice and small) and it's working :)

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Also what about Xbox live users you can't monitor that bandwidth but I bet it's still counted in your allowance as NTL wont be able to differentiate that from normal usage even though its a seperate service.

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It really does depend how monitoring is done.

My girly has a metronet PAYG account and the information she gets on usage is great....

http://www.chris4ann.co.uk/usage.bmp

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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...038#post332038

Indicates that 256 will support a 10Mb download.

But looking at the tasks you propose. Surfing, listening to music, no problem. Sending images. Well this will put more strain on the 256, but should not cause major problems.

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Also worth bearing in mind, is that the 'cap'/'guideline' may well include your uploads and downloads....

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it's been referred to as a "monthly usage allowance" earlier on in this thread - I dont know if that's the new official term.

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Just tried that myself but it's no go for me as it logs data going between computers on my home network as well as internet traffic I'm sat here streaming mp3's from upstairs asnd the meters logged it all

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I'm connected to my notebook, but that doesn't use the internet for anything. The only thing that is running on there is BOINC and CPDN, so it only accesses the internet every 20 hours, or when an WU is finished (which is in about 1600 hours).

Since 00:00, I've used 70MB down, and 6MB up. I was downloading something at night, and I havn't been playing many games yet. I wish more providers we're in my area, I can't even get ADSL since I have an NTL phone line :(

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So get a BT phone line.....:shrug:

http://www.bt.com/lines/index.jsp?ob...K&obsOID=46375

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Monitoring yourself a wan connection in a home network isnt as simple as use MRTG etc. the wan interface needs to be running in some kind of SNMP enviroment. thats either a pre built router with snmp support or a home built linux or win/nat32 based router that is running snmpd.

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perhaps this would be better for upload's

1000/128
2000/256
3000/384

if traffic includes upload bandwidth then ntl shouldnt be too worried about upload been saturated. Also mick if you can get answers to these questions would be good thanks.

1 - Will NTL be providing liv monitoring tools to measure bandwidth usage.

2 - If a user hits the limit what are the options available for the user (buy extra 30 gig for £15 ?, cap to 64k download?, cutoff?)

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Thats one thing that puts me off ADSL when i had a BT phone line my internet access was terrible due to a noisy line had engineers out 10 times and still it would come back. I don't know if noise would affect ADSL in the same way as dial up but I'm not going to lay out on the off chance. So until I move house i've got no choice other than NTL who I've always been happy with up to now.

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so lets see. i pay to pay £25 extra to get 2mb and a 30gb cap.

meaning i hit my cap twice as fast, as on 750k

but i can get a perm 1mb connection, uncapped, for £22 a month from elsewhere :) superb.

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Our information is that they haven't made a final decision on upload, but it looks unlikely to change at the moment.

For you questions ;

1. I would say yes - they are spending a fortune on the network, it seems reasonable to assume that this will include monitoring equipment, otherwise "allowances" are meaningless.

2. How about both ? They drop your speed (64k seems unlikely, I would guess at least 150k as this is the sort of minimum speed to still be classed as BB). Then they offer you more bandwidth, at a price, or an upgrade if you aren't on the top speed.

If I were a betting man, I would bet on the above by 2006. :)

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Parents line though. They want to stay with NTL.

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This is how it works in alot of the 'higher speed' countries that people refer to alot.

I have a friend in Holland who has (& has had for about 2 years) a 3meg down/768k up connection. His bandwidth is capped, & when he reaches that limit an email is automatically sent to him informing him he's reched his limit, & offering him 2 choices....

1) To continue at 3MB down/768 up but pay by the MB/GB for the remaning period of the calender month.

2) His connection reverts to 150k up & down for the remainder of the calender month.

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You already have a 30gb cap.

People on 1.5mb will hit the cap twice as fast, like you will/would, but you don't hear any complaints :rolleyes:

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Shush Neil, everyone knows everyone in Holland, Sweden etc has uncapped 10Mbit both direction connections for 20p a month ;)

However the above seems a good compromise, wouldn't surprise if ntl are looking at the ways other companies enforce their limits and will probably follow whatever they think is the best deal for customers and for the company, a compromise somewhere between the two.

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750K has 30GB cap, 300K is 5GB cap.

Well I closed that bandwidth monitor for the I/O activity coming from it :erm:

Went over 90 already though. So looks like 5GB isn't enough :( :mad:

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Looks as if you'll be staying on 300k I guess.

EDIT: I would imagine the 5GB is probably looking at current usage of 300k users, and I expect 95% or more are considerably under 5GB a month - although it's not a bad deal considering that 1GB a month from BT is £20...

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Well after reading another thread about NTL dropping prices for students (which I'm a student at Tamworth & Lichfield College) I can get 750K for £20, which is well in the limit of what I'm willing to pay for :D

So more than likely later I'll be getting my parents to ring them up (I'm the ONLY person who uses the internet, so it's basically mine) :)

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10 months time, ADSL will be storming ahead in speeds well into and beyond 3Mbps, and that's assuming ADSL2/2+ isn't out by then and large chunks of cities aren't LLU'd exchanges (which offers far more speed if they are).

Nice speeds/prices from NTL, but I wouldn't consier myself lucky to be in an NTL area. Far from it, it's been nothing but hell an misery. I wish I was in a Telewest area personally (though I'm lucky enough to also be in an area with an excellent ADSL exchange. It even has a LLU service through EasyNet though I went with PlusNet who use BT for ADSL).

I fully expect ADSL prices to drop further in the next 3 to 6 months, plus speed increases. SDSL is also on the increase and dropping rapidly in price. Won't be long before it hits consumer level.

I'd be interested to see where NTL go with network expansion though. Expand the cable network or (as has been reported), move into ADSL to get new customers instead. NTL's current cable network limits them to a finite number of customers (7 million I read), and from what I gather they are not planning to lay more cable as ADSL is far cheaper.

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I think that's over-optimistic, given that ADSL 2 would be needed to push that to reasonable exchange<>premise distances and 2+ isn't certified, AFAIK. You're talking a big upgrade of existing exchanges before it would become viable for most ADSL ISPs (who aren't LLU and can't buy their own ADSL2/2+ kit).

To save me checking, is much existing ADSL CPE (e.g. my router) ADSL 2 upgradable or do you need to buy new stuff?

It'll happen, no question, but at least a year behind ntl before most people have 3Mb ADSL available.

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Well that's my idea out of the window due to faulse advertising.

EDIT: Looks like I'm going to have to pay £7 more for the faster one, at least my parents are giving me the family allowance next year :)

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BT haven't offered businesses 3Mbit yet, 4 years after releasing the service, I wouldn't get optimistic about wholesale DSL being all that.

Easynet LLU is for businesses only, unless you can pay a small fortune for a 512k service that is!

BT apparently want to drop wholesale ADSL prices, as even their own BT Retail want to unbundle network because they find the prices distasteful. To say there will be a sudden rush in ADSL to 3, 4 whatever Mbit is as BBK said a little optimistic. BT just don't have the network to do it right now, and that is the same network nearly all the ISPs rely on.

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True but some of the bigger exchanges are being upgraded fairly frequently.

I think you need ADSL2 capable equipment. I deliberately sought out a router that has ADSL2/2+ support just in case.

It's surprising how quick it could happen. A year ago 1Mbps ADSL was just a dream and BT were reluctant to let people sign up even for 512kbps if they weren't close enough. Turned out the restriction was not technical however, just BT were sticking to theoretical tolerances but with a bit of tweaking and a more relaxed policy they found they could reach much futher and increase speeds.

Cheap 2Mbps ADSL has come about much quicker than I expected.

Still, as I say, I'm interested to see what NTL do with ADSL.

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Ah that'll be why www.samknows.com shows several exchanges over capacity.

1Mbps ADSL has been available since the beginning, just not on a home package. As has 2Mbps. Top package available from BT for either businesses or offices, 4 years after commercial launch, and 8 years after trials (done at 2Mbit downstream) are.... 2Mbit. There's progress and innovation at its' finest.

Give it time with 2Mbps ADSL, as Plusnet and all the other 2Mbit IPStream users get migrated to 50:1 once the 2Mbit home product is out. Considering that more than one person I know on the 2Mbit OFFICE class 20:1 pipes that these are running on at the moment is suffering problems due to an oversubscribed exchange I'm sure that when at nominal 50:1 service will be.... interesting ;)

I asked a BT communications manager why BT were so reluctant to release 3Mbit. His response was a tacit one, but basically came down to BT offering what their network can provide at the moment.

BT have just completed an upgrade run, nonetheless 10% of their exchanges are overcapacity at the moment - http://www.samknows.com/broadband/capacity-summary.php

If they are having this much trouble with 512k - 2Mbit I'm not optimistic about higher speed products coming from BT at a reasonable price.

LLU is the only thing that'll even look like doing this, however as previously said ADSL2 is still not approved as part of the ANFP, ADSL2+ a similar story. Until this is done it's illegal to deploy these technologies in the UK. Even when done neither of these helps that much with range of DSL. A couple of hundred metres that's all really, just means you can bond lines easier and if you are really close you can get fast services. However at the moment said faster services would max a small exchange's backhaul single handedly...

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Have to agree with what's been said, higher speeds for ADSL are a long way off, only LLU providers provide it and this is largely limited to london. Of course easynet is business prices. We will also see ADSL move over to capping because of BT Wholesale changes, isp's will be forced to either contend users higher or charge more, capping is very likely without a big price hike.

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In actual fact the restriction WAS technical, just because BT have decided to relax noise limits doesn't change the physics.
Many people, like me, who had perfect 512KB ADSL are unable to have 1MB ADSL because the old problems are still there.
Continuously loosing connection will be a problem for many people who failed the original standard even if they pass the new standard.

"Extended Reach" is just marketing hype, the same infrastructure is still in place, and until BT is forced by IP's using their infrastructure to spend some serious money the dream of higher speeds will remain just that, a dream, for many people.


BT are pushing 1MB as if virtually everyone can have it for the asking, not so.

Many people will apply for 1MB and reluctantly accept 512KB when the line test fails, or worse, when the 1MB service is diabolical. This is good marketing by BT as many would have not applied for 512KB originally as it is such poor value compared to their 1MB service.

In the London Car Trade they have a practice named "Birdcalling", a punter phones about an advertised car, it's always a car everyone is looking for, the dealer prices it at a real bargain price. The punter is told that they will hold the car until he gets to the showroom. Upon his arrival, after a 200 mile journey, the punter is told that another salesman has sold the car by mistake and that it has already left the premises, "I'm very sorry about that Sir, to make amends I will do you a really special deal on one of these cars over here". The punter with the money burning a hole in his pocket reluctantly drives off in a car he could have bought at his local dealer.
:Sprint:

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it all sounds to good to be true to me

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As anyone who has been on any of the NTL trails can confirm they do actually have the ability to monitor our usage and stop our connection if we exceed it, all it needs is new modem configs (which we will obviously need anyway) and some basic changes at their end.

And as you said the bandwitch monitors did include both down and up stream traffic as part of your allowence so i'm certainly guessing as you said that will be the case with this (and is probally the case with the current guidelines)

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Wrong,

therefore my rant stands!

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And BT wholesale arent allowed to reduce their prices, due to OFCOM's over regulation, something they are challenging at this time , by threatening to end their plan to spend 9Billion on network infrastructure upgrades, At this time, ADSL speeds have reached a low point, one that probably wont change for a while, not until the aforementioned upgrades allow for cheaper bandwidth.

Not only this, but atm the amount of people who have 2Mb ADSL available to them is very small, even with higher speeds to come, it still will be a postcode lottery, at least with NTL, I know that everyone will be able to get the top speed, regardless of location (Usually).

Yes, NTL have had their issues, and still do, but this is a huge step in the right direction, Id much rather pay to NTL than the misleading BT (wholesale or retail)

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End of the day the staff who take the time to post and help on this website, myself included, don't do it for PR purposes and aren't going to BS you. Although we may not always be able to give you all the facts what we do give is the truth :)

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Which is something more than can be said for the 'I'll get my call stats up' brigade who seem to delight in thinking that all subs are mushrooms and that 'they', the subs, are going to overwhelmed by the 'highly technical' ["just put the windows CD in the drive and answer yes till it starts doing it and then get back to me when your finished"] advice given to them.

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I wondered that too.

Of course it does not matter what speed you connect to the Internet it's the speed the all the way to the other end thats counts. Will NTL be increasing the size of it's pearage?

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yes - and big thanks for what guys like you & BBK do for this site - and ultimately, because of that, for me as a customer - there are other equally helpful people, here, but not many with the unique perspective that you seem to share :tu:

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:clap:

The Truth Is Out There....

;)

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:clap: we are lucky there are so many of you willing to give the customer some of your free time and help freely given to help most stay online.


:clap: very true

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All sounds pretty good to me.

A few things wandering through my mind though......

1. Why did this turn into a capping thread??

2. Why did it then turn into an adsl thread??

Look on the bright side...There seems to be something for everyone if this goes ahead. No matter what NTL do people seem to bite at them and pick fualt with them.

This time I say Hats off to them ! !

I see a lot of people moaning about capping....As far as I have read (I admit I have NOT read every post here) but there is no definate capping going to be enforced here. They may enforce as they are now and just lay down a rough guidline that I am sure many people will stick to and there are also those that will exceed it, I am sure that I will be one of those exceeders. The main point to the capping issue I think is more to scare off people from doing it to often, those that worry about what "Might" happen so choose not to.
I consider myself to be a very heavy user and could gobble that 40GB if I wished to do so with great ease. As I am sure many others here could do the same. I download a good 3-4 full dvd-r every week at current and that is on top of many other things to. And then add to that the online gaming and it soon adds up.
NTL I am sure know that this is what many of it's users are doing and it is becoming far more popular. If they provide these enormous speeds then people will come flocking to them from other I.S.P's
There will be many UNCAPPED services out there to go to and I am sure they know this so if they enforce this cap to much then they will lose cutomers to these services.
Surley if you download over this limit they will not simply cut you off till the beginning of the next month??? Again....they are not that silly are they.....

Oh and there are numerous LEGAL film download sites also where you pay a monthly fee and download whatever films you like. So you could also eat the 40GB this way.

I have also seen no mention of upload speeds increasing?
This is an area that would boost them greatly above the competition as upload speeds we lagg so far behind most of the rest of the world.

And then there is ADSL......yes of course it will catch up with NTL at some point......But then where will NTL have moved on to?? Maybe further on......?

There will always be a battle in this but that is surley great for us all? At last we are beginning to get into the same sort of league as the rest of europe. Now all we need to do is catch up with sweden!!!

Just a few proper questions now for those that may have a little insider knowledge.....

1. Any news on upload increasing?
2. If not can it be done with what they have?
3. If it can be done is it possible this would be another "teaser" when adsl fight back?
4. What is "Roughly" the limit Up and Down that the current network could "Realistically" Cope with at present?
5. IS the 40GB cap including up/down traffic or just down?

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1. no news at all.
2. not sure to increase upload will in the end be detrimental to the downloads.
3. that is something you will find out only when they decide to let you know.
4. BBKing or Ignition can answer this better than anothger customer.
5. Not heard anything but wouldn't be suprised as ADSL are talking about the limits including upload.

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This in my mind would be a pretty bad idea :mad:

I am hoping it does not include the upload aswell. :D

Guess we will just have to wait and see. :angel:

Tnx for the answers m8 ;)

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Will almost certainly include upload (my opinion not official ntl one). Can't see any point in giving a usage allowance if it's only going to apply to download.

Please not difference between usage allowance and the current scheme which is purely guidance.

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We have plenty of bandwidth out to the internet, don't worry about that :)

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You must of missed my post earlier in the thread Kits. Because there is. :)

I was informed by ntl that they are 'thinking' of keeping the upload speeds the same. Not a definitive answer I know, but they probably have not reached a final decision on upload speeds yet.

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And what percentage of NTL's UBRs are overcapacity? ;)

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ADSL ISPs such as PlusNet cap both down and upstream. The two are combined into a single usage figure.

However PlusNet do a PAYG scheme if you go over the cap, so it's not the end of the world, plus they do uncapped. I have to say though that even with a heavy amount of downloading and running a web server (a fair bit of upstream traffic), I've barely got past 18Gb in a month with PlusNet, so 40Gb with NTL would be plenty.

Those who are using monitoring tools on the PC and have a LAN may find what those tools are telling you could be far higher than your usage as far as the ISP is concerned. The software tools often don't account for your own network overheads and traffic to other PCs on your network. Using NetStat Live, it was telling me I was using something like 50gig, and yet PlusNet say I'm only using 18Gb.

The better tools are things like mrtg/prtg with it set to query the modem so you only see the traffic through the modem.

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Nowhere near 10%, that's for sure, after the last year's colossal investment.

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Less than 1% - the main problem area will be resolved within the next month or so. Any more questions? :)

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I'll probably move to 3Mbit if it's introduced, depending on price.

With a bit of luck Telewest 3Mbit will be reduced in price and NTL will follow suit.

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Its going to be £37.99 a month, oh yes, no NTl following suit here laddy :p

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Crikey product isn't released, and the gent didn't know how much it would be and already wanted a price reduction :cool:

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Is it possible for NTL to allow you to reverse you upload/download speeds?

So instead of having say, 750k down/128k up you could switch to 128k down/750k up? Can this be done and would they allow it?

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It's possible - yes - but it will never happen.

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Ah! Was an act of pure optimism to pose the question in the first place :(

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Oops, didn't see the pricing plans. My bad.:dunce:

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You've never been on holiday somewhere like Turkey or Tunisia then? Haggling's all the rage over there. Personally, I think it's a great way of doing business. :p:

Nothing has any set or intrinsic value; the worth of goods or services is the price that the buyer and the seller agree. If the buyer doesn't agree the price, the seller will reduce the price, if he wants badly enough to sell it that is. :)

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You're kidding right? :shocked:

5GB a month is a pathetic limit, I download 15gig a month on 300k now, and when I used to be on 750k it was around 45-60gig. So now they're gonna put me up to 1Mb and let me download 5gig? lol :rolleyes: this is a con trick, a sleight of hand, smoke and mirrors.

Suffice to say I'll be staying at 300k.

btw I didn't vote in the poll as 'stay as you are and dont pay ntl their rip-off £25 fee' wasn't an option.