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dilli-theclaw 09-08-2004 23:34
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I've just installed it over the top of my XPsp2 RC2 install (on 3 pc's here at che'z Dilligaf) and it hasn't had a problem..

Now to do a slipstream cd while I'm at work 2morro :)

MadGamer 09-08-2004 23:56
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilligaf1701
I've just installed it over the top of my XPsp2 RC2 install (on 3 pc's here at che'z Dilligaf) and it hasn't had a problem..

Now to do a slipstream cd while I'm at work 2morro :)
Is it possible that i can create a CD with at least SP1 from my recovery discs? (See my earlier post which is 289)

Electrolyte01 09-08-2004 23:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne A
Is it possible that i can create a CD with at least SP1 from my recovery discs? (See my earlier post which is 289)
Don't count on it, OEM software is always changed in a way so it can't be recorded to a CD (even for back-up).

Dave Stones 09-08-2004 23:59
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guess im lucky in that mine can, its BIOS locked though :(

if you are desperate to do a SP2 slipstream, you could always go the bit torrent route :erm:

*disclaimer: i don't condone this ;)*

dilli-theclaw 10-08-2004 00:01
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne A
Is it possible that i can create a CD with at least SP1 from my recovery discs? (See my earlier post which is 289)
I don't believe you can create a slipstream CD from a recovery cd, but I could be wrong.

I've only done it with 1)OEM XP cd's 2)Dell 'Operating system' CD 3)XP Corp CD (Before I had the proper versions I have now)

I will have a think about it - and post back if I suss it out.

Shaun 10-08-2004 01:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Stones
guess im lucky in that mine can, its BIOS locked though :(

if you are desperate to do a SP2 slipstream, you could always go the bit torrent route :erm:

*disclaimer: i don't condone this ;)*
I think the bit torrent way (or a copy from a friend) is the only way Wayne will get a copy he can slip-stream, and at the end of the day its not theft as the product is payed for, he has an OEM licence.

On another point, I've downloaded it and burnt it to a CD as I've got several PC's to install it on (why family members have to have a PC they can't run themselves I just don't know!) and its working o.k. on mine. Had to update Nero as there's apparently a problem with my old version but that went o.k. so its looking up.

Also Dave your copy of XP is it a Dell operating CD? If so it may not be BIOS locked as mine has worked on a couple of PC's that like Wayne's didn't have a proper CD but weren't Dells ;)

Tezcatlipoca 10-08-2004 01:32
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dellwear
I think the bit torrent way (or a copy from a friend) is the only way Wayne will get a copy he can slip-stream, and at the end of the day its not theft as the product is payed for, he has an OEM licence.
Probably is the only way. And yeah, he would already have an OEM licence.


Although going the Torrent way etc, means he (or anyone) should be careful that they download the right thing...

Frank 10-08-2004 02:11
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TigaSefi
grrrr it still says 2158 in the about screen. Someone keeps saying it 2180 but the official one from MS site is 2158 ???
2180 is the official built, 2158 is the timestamp...

More glaring a problem is that Micro$oft's have made a right dogs dinner of the TCP/IP stack and you can't open more than 10 half open connections, increased to 50 by a patch. I'm still getting error messages in the event viewer and website timeouts, which totally sucks.

dilli-theclaw 10-08-2004 08:07
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I get build 2600 on my final sp2 install...

Frank 10-08-2004 08:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilligaf1701
I get build 2600 on my final sp2 install...
Yeah that's right, just winblows being lame. Try looking at your IE about box, as below :)

Paul K 10-08-2004 08:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M
Ok, lets all count to 10 and get on with life. We don't need to make mountains out of molehills. :)
Now now, no calling Wayne a molehill... one day he will be a mighty mountain just like you ;)
After trawling through several very long (700+ responses) threads on Neowin it's obvious there are still faults with the SP2 release (Frank has already found one of them LOL) but hopefully for the majority of people it will help them stabilise and secure their PCs.
As to the OEM CD problem that is something I have always hated and I wish OEMs would offer standard CDs as an option for a small fee instead of trying to keep hold of their customers by the short and curlys :(
Off to slipstream SP2 onto my XP image :)

Electrolyte01 10-08-2004 08:46
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When I had my old 98 computer, Time gave me the original 98 CD aswell as the recovery one. I wish they still did that, but I think it's to stop us from using the other CD on another computer of ours.

jamesclarke555 10-08-2004 09:55
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilligaf1701
I get build 2600 on my final sp2 install...
Build 2600 is just the retail build of XP, not the Service Pack.

Tricky 10-08-2004 11:19
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Did notice one thing - My Status Bar on explorer windows had been turned off after applying it!! - Turned it back on and saved the settings (apply to all ...) and it's OK now but wierd!

Dave Stones 10-08-2004 11:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dellwear
Also Dave your copy of XP is it a Dell operating CD? If so it may not be BIOS locked as mine has worked on a couple of PC's that like Wayne's didn't have a proper CD but weren't Dells ;)
yeh, its the horrible purple coloured one. its locked in some way to my laptop anyway, could be something to do with the hidden 55mb "utility" partition :shrug:;)

anyway it doesnt work on my desktop, so im assuming it is locked. i just stuck 2000 on the desktop instead ;)

Russ 10-08-2004 11:24
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One thing I *have* noticed...when Windows loads up and I used to have the black background with the green dots running across the screen from left to right with the 'Windows XP Home Edition' logo, the dots are now blue (a la XP Pro) and it just says 'Windows XP' :confused:

Paul K 10-08-2004 11:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ D
One thing I *have* noticed...when Windows loads up and I used to have the black background with the green dots running across the screen from left to right with the 'Windows XP Home Edition' logo, the dots are now blue (a la XP Pro) and it just says 'Windows XP' :confused:
Yeah its now one loading window for both variants and if you look you will see the copyright info is now gone too.

Russ 10-08-2004 11:47
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So what's the point in that then? Or maybe, like all the characters in Bo Selecta wearing glasses, it's one of those things we're just not supposed to understand??

Electrolyte01 10-08-2004 11:50
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That was in the RC2 version aswell, I don't understand why.

MadGamer 10-08-2004 11:59
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
There is supposed to be an update released today from Symantec. Any ideas where i can get it off their website instead of Live Update?

Russ 10-08-2004 12:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne A
There is supposed to be an update released today from Symantec. Any ideas where i can get it off their website instead of Live Update?
Off-topic anyone?? :D

MadGamer 10-08-2004 12:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ D
Off-topic anyone?? :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by Symantec
Symantec Norton product update for Windows XP Service Pack 2

Situation:
You would like more information regarding the Windows XP Service Pack 2 release from Microsoft and whether your Symantec Norton products are compatible with Service Pack 2.

Solution:
Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) is a major security-focused operating system upgrade that includes an enhanced Windows firewall and a utility (Windows Security Center) that monitors the state of your computer's security.

Symantec will release a product update to provide native support for the Windows Security Center status utility found in SP2. This update will be available worldwide over the coming weeks and will enable Symantec products to communicate their status to the Windows Security Center utility.

Symantec encourages its customers to install the product update prior to installing SP2 in order to avoid incorrect reporting from Windows Security Center. Symantecââ‚ ‚¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s consumer customers will receive notification from their Norton product when the update is available. Consumers will be able to download the SP2 product update by clicking the LiveUpdate icon found in their Norton security software.

The SP2 product update for English versions of Norton products will be available beginning August 10, 2004. At that time, Symantec will provide detailed information about SP2 and compatibility with Norton products, including frequently asked questions (FAQs) and support documentation. Please check back to http://service.symantec.com/xpinfo on August 10, 2004.
:D

Shaun 10-08-2004 15:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Stones
yeh, its the horrible purple coloured one. its locked in some way to my laptop anyway, could be something to do with the hidden 55mb "utility" partition :shrug:;)

anyway it doesnt work on my desktop, so im assuming it is locked. i just stuck 2000 on the desktop instead ;)
The utility partition has some rather naff diagnostic programs on it, if you press F1/F12 on startup it'll offer you the option to boot to the utility partition so you can have a fiddle.

:D

Dave Stones 10-08-2004 15:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dellwear
The utility partition has some rather naff diagnostic programs on it, if you press F1/F12 on startup it'll offer you the option to boot to the utility partition so you can have a fiddle.

:D
i know, its great isnt it :) it actually has an accurate fan speed sensor in tehre too, unlike that crappy i8kfangui that tells me its spinngin at 180krpm...

woddering if theres something in tehre as well though that tells is about activation, or am i completely wrong ;)

bonzoe 10-08-2004 17:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Electrolyte
No, any one can download it, but it's for IT Professions etc. It's not really for normal users yet, that's why I'm waiting for it to come out on Windows Update.
Windows update will only download the updates you require, if you have been installing all the critical updates your download will be small, but if you have not updated at all, the download will be large.

The "IT Professions" down load is useful for slipstreaming and to have handy if you have to reinstall from scratch, it is not just for the IT Professions. This one download can be shared by many.

Just who is a normal user? :D :D :D

Shaun 10-08-2004 18:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Stones
i know, its great isnt it :) it actually has an accurate fan speed sensor in tehre too, unlike that crappy i8kfangui that tells me its spinngin at 180krpm...

woddering if theres something in tehre as well though that tells is about activation, or am i completely wrong ;)
Possibly, but like I said I've installed my copy on several machines and the only difference I noticed was that on my Dells it doesn't ask you to activate it but on a non-Dell it does - Weird ah?

MadGamer 10-08-2004 19:00
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Hmm im wondering wheather i should install SP2 now as ive downloaded it from Microsoft, or wait for the Symantec update which was supposed to be released TODAY!

Paul K 10-08-2004 19:01
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You're not losing anything by waiting for the Symantec patch. XP SP2 can wait till then, unless you want to see the nice shiny new icons in the control panel that badly ;)
BTW they probably meant August 10th, when they have finalised it in America. This will probably mean very late this evening at best if not early tomorrow morning IF it releases on time. (Time zones and all that)

Tezcatlipoca 10-08-2004 19:01
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I think you may as well wait. It's not really that urgent, as long as you already have all the latest critical updates, & a firewall, etc etc. As others have said, SP2 doesn't really add a great deal.

Paul K 10-08-2004 19:06
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You could use this
http://www.markwell.btinternet.co.uk/webmon/
to let you know when that page changes Wayne ;)

MadGamer 10-08-2004 19:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul
You could use this
http://www.markwell.btinternet.co.uk/webmon/
to let you know when that page changes Wayne ;)
Downloaded that little app, put the URL in and bang ready to go.

Paul K 10-08-2004 19:39
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Don't know if it's already been posted but if anyone here is using the Windows XP support tools then they have been updated for XP SP2
Support Tools SP2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Microsoft
Overview
The Windows Support Tools for Microsoft Windows XP are intended for use by Microsoft support personnel and experienced users to assist in diagnosing and resolving computer problems. For individual tool descriptions, see the Windows Support Tools documentation (Suptools.chm).

The Windows Support Tools for Windows XP can be installed only on a computer that is running the Windows XP operating system. The Windows Support Tools for Windows XP cannot be used to upgrade Microsoft Windows NT or Microsoft Windows 2000 Support Tools installed on Windows NT or Windows 2000.

It is highly recommended that you remove all previous versions of Support Tools, including beta versions of the Windows Support Tools for Microsoft Windows XP, before you run the Support Tools installation program.

stuey82 10-08-2004 23:42
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WOW... I have upgraded to XPSP2 and my laptop is running much faster and smoother. My browsing seems alot faster to for some reason. The firewall is good and has popped up from time to time. The popup blocker does my head in abit.. so disabled that and stuck with the MSNToolbar.


Im impressed. Woo Hoo @ Microsoft!! :)

MadGamer 11-08-2004 00:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stuey82
WOW... I have upgraded to XPSP2 and my laptop is running much faster and smoother. My browsing seems alot faster to for some reason. The firewall is good and has popped up from time to time. The popup blocker does my head in abit.. so disabled that and stuck with the MSNToolbar.


Im impressed. Woo Hoo @ Microsoft!! :)
Do you have any Symantec products eg Norton Antivirus? If you do it is/was in your case recommended that you download the update from them so that your product will be compatible with SP2.

Shaun 11-08-2004 00:04
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne A
Do you have any Symantec products eg Norton Antivirus? If you do it is/was in your case recommended that you download the update from them so that your product will be compatible with SP2.
I've got NIS and there wasn't a problem when I installed it, it can't select the status of my AV or firewall but I know they are working so thats all that matters.

SOSAGES 11-08-2004 09:48
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well after a few days with sp2 on a clean install - its ok browsing is hard work sometimes with the new features but ho hum ..also my sound card got in a right mess im not sure it was worth the wait.

MadGamer 11-08-2004 12:49
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Well ive installed it and i must say what a big improvement on my startup times is.

Dave Stones 11-08-2004 12:55
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the start times are a bit of a moot point for me. my laptop currently is on something like 7 days of uptime (got taken down cos of a thunderstorm ;)) and im not too concerned about improved startup times anyway. at present it takes less than 2 minutes to start, which is hardly an inconvenience :erm:

Electrolyte01 11-08-2004 13:03
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Ahh stuff it, i'm downloading the big one. Got 2 systems to update it, my laptop running SP2 RC2 and this one with SP1.

Did any one get the full version of SP2 to upgrade from SP2 RC2?

jamesclarke555 11-08-2004 13:32
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Electrolyte
Ahh stuff it, i'm downloading the big one. Got 2 systems to update it, my laptop running SP2 RC2 and this one with SP1.

Did any one get the full version of SP2 to upgrade from SP2 RC2?
Yeah, I got the full administrative update, wouldn't let me install over RC2 which I had slipstreamed. Just made another slipstream XP CD with full rtm SP2, I prefer fresh installs anyway.

MadGamer 11-08-2004 13:58
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Ive actually noticed a big speed improvement in IE as well.

Ramrod 11-08-2004 13:59
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Do most of us need SP2? I mean, we're running firewalls, A/V and anti-spyware anyway. If everything is working fine, why do we want to risk b*llsing it up with SP2?
I'm going to wait a good month after it's release before maybe installing mine 'cos I'm sure there will be c*ck-ups with it to start with.....
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne A
Ive actually noticed a big speed improvement in IE as well.
So you've added how much extra code to an already bloated XP and it now runs faster? Hmmmmmm :erm:

MadGamer 11-08-2004 14:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod
Do most of us need SP2? I mean, we're running firewalls, A/V and anti-spyware anyway. If everything is working fine, why do we want to risk b*llsing it up with SP2?
I'm going to wait a good month after it's release before maybe installing mine 'cos I'm sure there will be c*ck-ups with it to start with.....
Mine installed fine.

Ramrod 11-08-2004 14:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne A
Mine installed fine.
Good for you :tu:

Paul K 11-08-2004 14:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne A
Mine installed fine.
All PCs are like humans in one very important factor...
they are all slightly different and therefor behave slightly differently under identical situations ;)
Hence some PCs will run fine with certain software patches where (supposedly) identical computers fall over and play dead :)

Shaun 11-08-2004 14:08
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
I must admit I've had a fair few programs crash on me since install, but I took a ghost of my C drive before I installed it so I can always roll it back if I need to.

Hopefully it'll just be bugs and they'll sort themselves out.

Paul K 11-08-2004 14:12
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dellwear
I must admit I've had a fair few programs crash on me since install, but I took a ghost of my C drive before I installed it so I can always roll it back if I need to.

Hopefully it'll just be bugs and they'll sort themselves out.
Weird that, I've not had a hang, crash or stutter since install and that was a clean install on this PC and a dirty install on the networked PC :confused:
Mind you I still go with my previous post in situations like this :D

Electrolyte01 11-08-2004 14:24
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
I've had no problems with the RC2 version on my notebook, so that's weird :erm:

Jon M 11-08-2004 14:43
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank
2180 is the official built, 2158 is the timestamp...

More glaring a problem is that Micro$oft's have made a right dogs dinner of the TCP/IP stack and you can't open more than 10 half open connections, increased to 50 by a patch. I'm still getting error messages in the event viewer and website timeouts, which totally sucks.
I've been researching this issue.. and have seen many conflicting views from people as to the real world effect of this.

Do you have any more details on what this restriction will prevent the normal user from doing?

MadGamer 11-08-2004 21:24
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Has that update from Symantec been released yet?

Tezcatlipoca 11-08-2004 21:31
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne A
Has that update from Symantec been released yet?
http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/ent...e/sp2/faq.html

MadGamer 11-08-2004 22:52
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Which version should i download cos i dont see NAV 2002 Pro listed.

Electrolyte01 11-08-2004 22:53
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
I think my anti-virus software needs an update, because the unistall application crashes when I try to remove the firewall (since XP's is all I need).

stuey82 11-08-2004 23:13
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne A
Do you have any Symantec products eg Norton Antivirus? If you do it is/was in your case recommended that you download the update from them so that your product will be compatible with SP2.
I was aware there wasn't a patch (thanks to this forum) from Symantec so I didn't want it to cause any conflicts with my pc so I removed Norton security all together and just went back to just norton antivirus only and set the security centre to un-monitored. Works a treat.

Last time I installed SP2 with Norton Security working... it caused numerous problems and crashed constantly.

I am very shocked Symantec haven't sorted out a patch already. You would think Microsoft would have worked with them to get a patch out before the launch of SP2.

Frank 11-08-2004 23:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by s1lv3r
I've been researching this issue.. and have seen many conflicting views from people as to the real world effect of this.

Do you have any more details on what this restriction will prevent the normal user from doing?
Yeah there certainly are many conflicting views, but all I know is since I installed sp2 my Azureus is running like pigsh*t and when I try to browse with P2P software open it simply does not work on any website, yet the downloading continues.

Since installing a patched tcpip.sys, there is no difference to the browsing/downloading state, yet the eventlog warnings about maxing out tcp/ip connections have stopped. Seems totally screwed to me and I may end up renstalling. :confused:

Tezcatlipoca 12-08-2004 00:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne A
Which version should i download cos i dont see NAV 2002 Pro listed.
Yep, the Product Update tab has no mention of NAV 200x.

As such, I would say that you shouldn't download *any* of the other patches, because they are not for your particular product.


Perhaps NAV 200x doesn't actually need patching.


Also, from the FAQ:

http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/ent...e/sp2/faq.html

Quote:
Q: Which Symantec products will the product update apply to?

A: The product update applies to customers who use Symantec Client Security, Symantec AntiVirus Corporate Edition, and Symantec AntiVirus Enterprise Edition if their client systems are not members of a Windows domain. It also applies to administrators who choose to enable the Windows Security Client in a domain. Product updates for other Symantec products may be released in the future but none are scheduled at this time.

peacedude2k4 12-08-2004 00:30
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BUT the general public version aint out till 16th better to wait for that one which could be fixed in some way then download this lunk of crap thats out now :)

jamesclarke555 12-08-2004 00:57
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod
So you've added how much extra code to an already bloated XP and it now runs faster? Hmmmmmm :erm:
I can see you're gonna love longhorn :p:

peacedude2k4 12-08-2004 00:59
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lets not go there lmao

MadGamer 12-08-2004 10:56
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peacedude2k4
BUT the general public version aint out till 16th better to wait for that one which could be fixed in some way then download this lunk of crap thats out now :)
I installed the version for developers and IT Professionals. I think ill uninstall and wait for the proper release on Windows Update.

Bifta 12-08-2004 10:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne A
I installed the version for developers and IT Professionals. I think ill uninstall and wait for the proper release on Windows Update.
So you download a file that's over 250 meg in size, install it which takes a little while then decide to uninstall it and reinstall exactly the same thing just in a smaller file size at a later date? Nice one man ...

dilli-theclaw 12-08-2004 11:16
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne A
I installed the version for developers and IT Professionals. I think ill uninstall and wait for the proper release on Windows Update.
What the........:confused:

Dave Stones 12-08-2004 11:35
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
i have downloaded and installed sp2, nothing noticeable apart from the new startup screen and the pesky security center. still, at least it detects BitDefender fine :)

also slipstreamed with my xp cd. waiting for next time i make a royal hash of my system ;)

i used the 266mb KB835935 or whatever it is release :) none of this downloading it and uninstalling it crap for me, it took 2 straight days to come down :eek: (dial up, u see ;))

MadGamer 12-08-2004 11:36
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilligaf1701
What the........:confused:
I did this purely because i want to wait for that update from Symantec to be released.

Dave Stones 12-08-2004 11:48
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
so why did you install sp2 in the first place then?

Electrolyte01 12-08-2004 11:54
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
I don't think theres any difference in the IT Professions one and the normal one, I just think the bigger one has things in it for networks etc. But I havn't seen anything different from the RC2 version yet :erm:

Dave Stones 12-08-2004 11:58
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i've just discovered "data execution protection" in computer settings...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Help Center
Understanding Data Execution Prevention

Data Execution Prevention (DEP) helps prevent damage from viruses and other security threats that attack by running (executing) malicious code from memory locations that only Windows and other programs should use. This type of threat causes damage by taking over one or more memory locations in use by a program. Then it spreads and harms other programs, files, and even your e-mail contacts.

Unlike a firewall or antivirus program, DEP does not help prevent harmful programs from being installed on your computer. Instead, it monitors your programs to determine if they use system memory safely. To do this, DEP software works alone or with compatible microprocessors to mark some memory locations as "non-executable". If a program tries to run codeââ‚ ¬Ã¢â‚¬Âmalicious or notââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚from a protected location, DEP closes the program and notifies you.

DEP can take advantage of software and hardware support. To use DEP, your computer must be running Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) or later, or Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1 or later. DEP software alone helps protect against certain types of malicious code attacks but to take full advantage of the protection that DEP can offer, your processor must support "execution protection". This is a hardware-based technology designed to mark memory locations as non-executable. If your processor does not support hardware-based DEP, it's a good idea to upgrade to a processor that offers execution protection features.
sounds interesting and slightly random...

Bifta 12-08-2004 11:59
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne A
I did this purely because i want to wait for that update from Symantec to be released.
Huh? Why don't you keep SP2 on, and install the update when it's released or is that security warning icon going to ruin your life or something?

gary_580 12-08-2004 12:00
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
ive just checked windows update on XP and its telling me that there are no updates for me. I've not installed SP2 either???

Dave Stones 12-08-2004 12:02
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
sp2 hasnt been released to windows update yet gary_580 ;)

go to other sources for the network install :)

Paul K 12-08-2004 12:05
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne A
I installed the version for developers and IT Professionals. I think ill uninstall and wait for the proper release on Windows Update.
It's the same version just smaller as its done through windows update so I suppose only the bits you actually need are installed. Unless a very severe bug is discovered I cannot see any changes being made to the SP2 release, thats not to say they may not release an addtionall update or hotfix to clear any slight glitches :erm:

MadGamer 12-08-2004 12:21
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Symantec recommends to everybody that uses their products to install there update BEFORE installing SP2, because it will then avoid confliction in the security centre.

Tezcatlipoca 12-08-2004 13:09
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne A
Symantec recommends to everybody that uses their products to install their update BEFORE installing SP2, because it will then avoid confliction in the security centre.
It doesn't really sound like a big issue, though.


And if you wait, you may be waiting a fair while, as Symantec have made no mention of when (or even if) an update for NAV 200x will be released.

Shaun 12-08-2004 15:00
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne A
Symantec recommends to everybody that uses their products to install there update BEFORE installing SP2, because it will then avoid confliction in the security centre.
Wayne I honestly can't see the problem here, from my understanding the update is only to allow the new security centre to see the status of your AV and firewall. Personally I told the security centre that I'd monitor my own as I cant be arsed, why can't you so the same?

Symantic's update will probably work if SP2 was installed before it anyway as most people have automatic updates on and won't have a choice over installing their patch first - I made sure my families computers are set up this way (saves me time).

This patch from Symantec WONT affect the running of your AV/firewall.

DON'T PANIC, DON'T PANIC, Permission to install SP2 Captain Mannering!

:p: :jk:

heyyo 12-08-2004 16:46
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
i intalled one of the beta version of windows service pack 2, i am not getting a windows update pop-up telling me to install windows service pack 2...im confused..and i have cancelled the download as i already have it. will it only install the new bits or completely re-install?

thanks

Paul K 12-08-2004 17:01
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heyyo
i intalled one of the beta version of windows service pack 2, i am not getting a windows update pop-up telling me to install windows service pack 2...im confused..and i have cancelled the download as i already have it. will it only install the new bits or completely re-install?

thanks
Thats meant to happen ;) You have a pre-release beta version and Microsoft are releasing (to people in that precise situation) the smaller, single PC SP2 release via Windows Update before they release it to everyone else. You DO require this as it is the final version and the one you have may have bugs etc.

TigaSefi 12-08-2004 18:43
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
may ? there no may about it :p: it does have bugs :p:

kronas 12-08-2004 18:47
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
i dont think i will be touching it....im glad i have not!

Quote:
One online forum collecting SP2 stories shows a majority of respondents reporting problems ranging from minor to severe.
Quote:
At the time of writing it had reports from 152 users about their experiences.

Although 43% said the SP2 installation had gone without a hitch, 49% of those contributing had problems ranging from minor to severe.
Quote:
A few contributors said they had to completely rebuild a system before they could get the update to work.
souce: BBC news

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3557952.stm

Dave Stones 12-08-2004 18:48
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
At the time of writing it had reports from 152 users about their experiences.

Although 43% said the SP2 installation had gone without a hitch, 49% of those contributing had problems ranging from minor to severe.
so out of the entire microsoft users universe, 75 people have reported problems on that forum... bit of a crappy stat really ;);)

kronas 12-08-2004 18:50
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Stones
so out of the entire microsoft users universe, 75 people have reported problems on that forum... bit of a crappy stat really ;);)

it was especially setup ;) but if it is creating problems with applications as was was expected then technically i have no need to install this update.

im patched up, security conscious, spyware free :p:

Paul K 12-08-2004 18:57
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Sorry but a lot of issues relating to post SP2 installs are a lot to do with people tweaking their systems and the use of skinning techniques etc. On a clean install I've had no problems with SP2 and the second pc here is running well to and that was a dirty install.
So far 1000's of people have downloaded the final version of the SP2 pack, you will see horror stories about unstable systems etc no matter how well the Microsoft coders do. No two PCs react exactly the same to given situations, SP2 for the vast majority of people is a much needed installation as a lot of users of Windows and the internet out there have yet to realise the importance of a firewall when they are online :(

kronas 12-08-2004 19:01
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul
Sorry but a lot of issues relating to post SP2 installs are a lot to do with people tweaking their systems and the use of skinning techniques etc. On a clean install I've had no problems with SP2 and the second pc here is running well to and that was a dirty install.
So far 1000's of people have downloaded the final version of the SP2 pack, you will see horror stories about unstable systems etc no matter how well the Microsoft coders do. No two PCs react exactly the same to given situations, SP2 for the vast majority of people is a much needed installation as a lot of users of Windows and the internet out there have yet to realise the importance of a firewall when they are online :(
im not suggesting for one moment it wont install fine on a clean install, but what is the point of sp2 being made available if its going to create application execution problems and instability ?

the fact that its likely to lead to potential problems far outweighs the positives.

as i said if you have a patched system, security programs, spyware cleaners etc then there is no need for sp2, other than more used space and bloated code. :p:

Richard M 12-08-2004 19:07
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
The only useful thing in SP2 for me personally is the NX feature because I have a 64-bit CPU.
I use Mozilla so I don't need all those IE fixes, I'm also behind a hardware firewall so worms like Blaster etc don't effect me.

Tricky 14-08-2004 15:24
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard M
The only useful thing in SP2 for me personally is the NX feature because I have a 64-bit CPU.
I use Mozilla so I don't need all those IE fixes, I'm also behind a hardware firewall so worms like Blaster etc don't effect me.
You can never be too safe...

Another thing I've noticed are a few "software warnings" - NERO is one "Nero - Burning Rom has a known compatibility issue with this version of Windows. For an update that is compatible with this version of Windows, contact Ahead Software." Is this a way of software vendors jumping on the bandwagon and generating additional revenue?

Nero : http://www.nero.com/en/632011181528025.html
Released - 11-08-2004
Download : http://www.nero.com/en/632261794581159.php
Released - 13-08-2004

peacedude2k4 14-08-2004 17:47
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul
as a lot of users of Windows and the internet out there have yet to realise the importance of a firewall when they are online :(
Could not agree more, when i moderated a chat a few month back for a while I was speaking to a user who had been online for 3YEARS! and wondered why firewalls was needed online :rolleyes:

Should be a training course on being online :rolleyes:

Ramrod 14-08-2004 19:22
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
As Downhill Battle had not gained redistribution rights from Microsoft, it was only really a matter of time before the software giant stepped in and put a stop to their activities, and step in they did.
link

peacedude2k4 15-08-2004 19:25
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
So just how many have the multiple ict pro user sp2 final release? and how many are waiting for the release tomoro ?


tempted to get it now and sod the night wait gonna spend time patching up holes afterwards either way

peacedude2k4 15-08-2004 19:30
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
HMMM question:


http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

says

Quote:
DO NOT CLICK DOWNLOAD IF YOU ARE UPDATING JUST ONE COMPUTER: A smaller, more appropriate download will be available soon on Windows Update. To receive this download, turn on the Automatic Updates feature in Windows XP to receive an optimized download of SP2. Please visit Protect Your PC for more information on receiving Windows XP SP2
Now later this year this pc will be on a wireless network to a downstairs pc so which sp2 download do i need :confused:

totally confussled right now :sleep:

ntl customer 15-08-2004 21:50
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peacedude2k4
HMMM question:


http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

says


Now later this year this pc will be on a wireless network to a downstairs pc so which sp2 download do i need :confused:

totally confussled right now :sleep:
Both are the same!! It's just that this one is released earlier than the other one to stop people from crashing Microsoft's servers by downloading it all at once! ;)

Personally I'd hold out for a bit longer until the 'bugs' are fixed. Apparently it breaks quite a few applications because of the enhanced "features". I'd go checking the WU site periodically and then downloading it, rather than doing it as per M$ instructions.

There's a whole list somewhere of problems that it can cause with software.

peacedude2k4 15-08-2004 22:04
Re: MERGED Windows XP SP2 - Now released
 
well i have it installed right now and all is working :dozey: not a bliip burp or glitch it knew i had nortons internet security and disabled its own firewall for it, few rules settings for sys32 generic proccesses altered and wham im going again :D

peacedude2k4 17-08-2004 02:27
are you running sp2?
 
Are you running sp2 how long? and what bugs have you found

Currently no software bugs with mine, but this is a new Scaleo_t computer so latest stuff on it.

Installed the networking 227mb download version on 15th and working great :D

Jarandco 17-08-2004 08:42
Re: are you running sp2?
 
I'm not running it yet as i am waiting for it to appear on the windows update site - but then i will download it!

SOSAGES 17-08-2004 08:43
Re: are you running sp2?
 
installed on both my pc's and tablet around the 10th - seems to work ok, only issue has been my audidgy 2 but everyone i know who has one has issues regardless of OS/SP :)
my issue is if watching a film in any media player app and i "mute" the sound in the app then pause the film and then resume the film it will play back full volume.
Other than that sp2 seems fine but i have read some horror stories but i imagine the pc's it cocked up where badley maintained.

Jon M 17-08-2004 08:53
Re: are you running sp2?
 
Do we really need another SP2 thread ? :dozey:

Electrolyte01 17-08-2004 09:32
Re: are you running sp2?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarandco
I'm not running it yet as i am waiting for it to appear on the windows update site - but then i will download it!
Turn on automatic updates, my notebook reported it to me on automatic updates even though it has SP2 RC2 installed.

Chris 17-08-2004 09:48
Re: are you running sp2?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by s1lv3r
Do we really need another SP2 thread ? :dozey:
No, we don't. :) I'd close this one, but as some folks might find the poll interesting I'm going to merge this discussion into the 'original' sp2 thread shortly.

EDIT .... OK, done. Let's try to keep general discussion of XP in here and avoid multiple threads please. :)

Electrolyte01 17-08-2004 11:45
Re: Merged: Widows XP SP2 - discuss it here!
 
I've removed SP2 because of a BIG bug I have just found with my graphics drivers :grind:

Bifta 17-08-2004 11:59
Re: Merged: Widows XP SP2 - discuss it here!
 
I just want to know what "Widows XP" is?

Electrolyte01 17-08-2004 12:12
Re: Merged: Widows XP SP2 - discuss it here!
 
LOL, I only just noticed that!

Chris 17-08-2004 12:17
Re: Merged: Windows XP SP2 - discuss it here!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bifta
I just want to know what "Widows XP" is?
d'oh!

fixed it... :dunce:


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