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Either way as long as it performs as well as it did last night I will be happy, but the true test will be whether it can sustain me gaming while the wife is on her lappy on you tube and facebook etc. Time will tell, but if I'm right I think standard definition you tube only uses about 2Mbps??, gaming is next to nothing so I should be ok. One thing I did notice was that the MTU was set at 1500 and I thought ADSL should ideally be a little lower eg 1472?? Any advice welcome |
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A few of my online buddies have BT ADSL and don't have any serious issues with FPS games like Black Op's etc.
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call up sky and tell them to reduce your maxdelays pabscars and youll see a big improvement in ping
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pabscars you have proved a point I made before tho.
the point been jitter is king over base latency, you have a high base latency but good jitter hence your improvement in gaming. |
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Yeah if you speak to someone who doesnt know what it is try to speak to either senior support but generally the term used it maxdelay/interleaving.
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After your earlier post I checked my Infinity graph which was also a mass of red.
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that is my major gripe with the tbb monitoring, no facility to edit the ip of a monitor. So when I went back to the superhub as the ip was new I had to make a new graph, I expect when I go back to the vmng300 if the dhcp expires so new ip again, it will be yet another new graph.
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the dhcp didnt expire so my vmng300 ip is still intact.
ok some superhub vs vmng300 data. on the attached graph, the vmng300 went live on the middle 'mon' where the grey turns to a fainter colour, the fainter colour indicates less jitter. You can see darkey grey again as when the superhub went back in for the firmware testing. What is interesting is overall there has been shown a steady improvement in latency/jitter taking modem changes aside. this is more obvious on the 2nd graph. The start of that graph before the upgrade that happened on my port, and even after the sudden improvement at end of february there is a steady improvement on the reported latency and jitter until the latter part of april where it has started rising slightly. Whilst there is spikes on my smokeping data it is not matching tbb spikes. People can draw their own conclusions but thought it be interesting to show non tbb data on my connection. |
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Red line is me rebooting the Dud. I wasn't downloading anything at 8pm either, seems it's utilisation. |
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The red line at 2am is on all my graphs including non Virgin Media ones, second time in 2 days that I've had a red line from TBB.
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[url=http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/899456a52385a73c1a61c5bd15d2b2c3-27-04-2011.html]http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...27-04-2011.png[/url [img]Download Failed (1)[/img] The last couple of days on my Vm 30/3 connection This has become the norm now, and I don't seem to be getting any info back via the CEO's office any more as my last 3 emails have been ignored, either that or there just inundated at the moment. I don't suppose there is much point continuing with the service, as I'm not using it at all now, I just wanted to help Vm get to the route of the problem if not for my sake but the sake of the other poor sod's on the same port. I'm guessing it's the same noise issue as before causing the modulation to shift. On my Sky Unlimited connection all seems as expected apart from I cant get the TBB graph to stay up and running for long before it returns constant packet loss, or my IP addy changes but from the bit here it looks ok. http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...28-04-2011.png I might try turning the firewall off for a bit to see if that helps, but apart from downloads taking an expected age (1.53Gb from xbox live took an hour), gaming seems very good. I hosted a 4 player match on MW2 (xbox) the other night with no issues at all, and I'm temporarily hooked up wirelessly. |
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Anybody else's graph stopped working the last few days??????
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Yes I did that first thing, it looks like mine hasn't been working since May 1st. It would also appear to be a TBB issue because there is literally no results at all, no packet loss,,,, nada,,,,,,, ---------- Post added at 10:01 ---------- Previous post was at 09:52 ---------- [img]Download Failed (1)[/img] Freaky, it's suddenly started working again,,,, maybe the guys at TBB have just rebooted a server or something because when I checked before there appeared to be no data, now there is and for the previous days also. No worries anyway, as of today I will taking no pleasure in cancelling my Vm BB, it's been a roller coaster for sure but I cant justify having 2 suppliers and the Sky BB is doing just fine so one must go unfortunately. The TBB monitor has shown that the noise issues I've had are still outstanding and no info is forth coming from the CEO's office so what's a guy to do. |
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it happened here also, happens every now and then at TBB.
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^I swear that bug has happened before.
Anyway, here's mine: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...03-05-2011.png |
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they said the hardware crashed and had to be rebooted so non archived data was lost.
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Same monitoring drop out then a more worrying service blip... :cry:
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That is insane.Your area must be seriously quiet for it to be that low.
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Connection has been hammered quite a bit today I guess. :| http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...07-05-2011.png 10MB on the overlay network. Something's wrong with this one, again. |
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Think Virmin have been fiddling with my area, the maximum seems to have been lowered by quite a bit over the past few days:
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Not as good as the one at your old gaff igni
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I thought you had 50 Meg as well Igni, my bad :)
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Since the T3 errors suddenly stopped again my connection seems ok. |
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If you can find anything within the law that suggests otherwise I'll be happy to stand corrected. I'm not using their network without permission, WAN side ping is on, I have not circumvented any kind of security mechanisms to do so and am not causing degradation to their service, therefore no violation of Computer Misuse Act. |
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This is my 50MB service, ok apart from the ping spikes (I haven't used Internet all day ) I have separate modem/router set up but am upgrading to 100MB and superhub on Friday If it's crap I'll cancel it and stick with 50MB |
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No idea m8
Even if I don't use anything the same pattern of it jumping up and down from 20-60ms happens continually Wish it would stay in the low periods all day as gaming is perfect during the low periods |
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I have the VMG300 modem with my own Netgear WNDR3700 router
Works well like I say but gaming suffers with the slightly unstable ping And no, I don't have anything else connected to it. It's the same every day. Someone on the VM forums mentioned it might be that other users nearby are using theirs more during the spiky periods Utilisation |
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I can have tbb showing jitter of about 10ms then run pingtest.net and get 1ms, and I have posted pings on this forum numerous times lately showing very low jitter like on ignition's thread. So in my view when it jumps down thats the real jitter, and when it jumps up the operational mode changes to deprioritise the packets. What I have no idea on is if its the dir615 or the vmng300 as the vmng300 should simply be passing through the packets with no processing at all. However when I used the dir615 with my old 20mbit modem I did not see this pattern. |
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ok so on this pic I drawn a redline showing where it would be without the jumps, it seems to bear little relation to off peak and peak as I dont think my port is lower utilised at 4pm than at 5am, the jump after midnight was me uploading something so ignore that.
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you forgot the wireless issue where ddwrt have decided to hard line stick to rfc specs meaning many users cannot get full speed N performance, and the few firmware builds where the ethernet ports completely stopped working O_o. :) I read reports from others of various features not working in random 15x and 16x builds so reverted to the latest reccomended version from the main dev which is 14929. For what its worth tho I did use a newer firmware with the vmng300 before I downgraded and the ping graph had the same patterns. Your graph also has the patterns and you use a asus router.
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After the flash it seemed to be using a mixture of the 2 for different functions and did respond to pings but was not accessible on the gui. and on dhcp etc. I ended up doing the 30/30/30 reset which recovered it. So i would try that first, bit of a pain to do as I had to find something to hold the emergency reset down in that hole but ended up finding something to use. There is a emergency flash tool which can be used, apparently supposed to run it whilst the router is booting up as is available for a small window during boot to accept a new flash. Info should be on ddwrt site somewhere for that. --edit-- you using tomato so the recovery procedures I used may not be available. |
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I'll try a 30-30-30 tomorrow.
I would use a telnet, or use another up, but the router is bricked, for now anyway. I'm hoping clearing the nvram will sort it, but my computer just gets an autoconfiguration ip and no gateway |
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You seemed to take umbridge when Igni posted a graph of a VM connection that wasn't his IP addy and saying you thought it was illegal.
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I had BE Unlimited on fastpath before switching to VM. It's a great service, but the only problem was a noisy line that BT would do nothing about. Caused packet loss
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Doubt it was me, I suck online at COD lol. Although my younger brother sometimes plays on my GT when he stays at mine.
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that graph craig posted was my old one and was just over £20 month.
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Who was it with?
I assume also that you were lucky enough to live very close to your local exchange to get a low ping like that I'd kill to get a service like that tbh Mine I just wish I could get a VM service without these annoying spike periods https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/05/118.png |
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sync speed doesnt affect ping that much, it was a long line that was unstable on most isp's.
The isp was ukonline and 2 things where important to that graph. 1 - they utilised SRA (seamless rate adaption) technology which means if a noise burst or something occurs that would normally either cause the line to drop or get packetloss then SRA silently in the background with no downtime adapts the sync speed. It can go up as well as down. Ukonline is the only isp in the UK to ever supply this, at least confirmed. 2 - it was on the easynet network which is probably the best quality network in the UK in terms of capacity vs subscriber numbers. Its the same network that sky use for skybb who are able to supply true unlimited with no FUP, shaping etc. In addition easynet have excellent peering links worldwide, they have various POP's around the world. Sadly ukonline got closed down by sky in jan 2011, the same can be got from easynet connect but is at a mere £200 connection fee £50 a month (used to be £100 month). The line in question synced on average between 5.4mbit and 7.2mbit. (got nowhere near 7mbit the last 6 months as line had serious degradation, even SRA was struggling to keep stable). |
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This is my Be connection - I get 5-6ms to bbc.co.uk from southwest London with fastpath, syncing at about 13meg. It is a joy to game on, except when my flatmate starts downloading the internet. I tried Virgin recently (30meg with super!!hub) as I just moved house and the jitter was ridiculous. I'm still playing QuakeWorld mostly which is largely based on servers in denmark and sweden, and get about 23-25ms to servers in denmark/southern sweden and a little higher to Stockholm. |
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For those who may be interested here's my BT Infinity one via SamKnows moitoring and TBB graph.
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I was really happy with BE in terms of their customer service and expertise + willingness to help. The only problem was that my BT line was proving unsuitable as I had huge 6000+ single ping spikes and some packet loss
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2 be honest i dont think Virgin cable will ever get their latency down as far as ADSL. They just dont seem to want or have the inclination to do so.
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