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_wtf_ 20-04-2011 10:09

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Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35217367)
Finally got my Sky BB up and running, only getting about about 3.5Mbps DL and 0.4 Up at the moment but what a diference

The ping is quite high due to my distance from the exchange but it's only to the first hop and gaming on it is world's apart, I played Black Op's on the PS3 for a hour last night and the only bit of lag I got was when a mate hosted (on Virgin) but that only lasted for a second or two plus no more getting shot round corners, no dropped bullets whilst sniping etc etc. It just goes to show that Jitter makes all the difference.

I've not had any signing in issues or error codes, voice quality whilst in game has improved with friends saying they can hear me clearer.

It's encouraging to hear your gaming has improved even with the low speeds you're getting.

I got BT installing on the 6th May purely for gaming :rolleyes:

pabscars 20-04-2011 11:00

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35217481)
interleaving is a buffer added to add error correction, the higher its set then more latency the connection has. High interleaving will add a lot of latency and can easily triple base latency.

I just assumed that because I'm at the end of a couple of miles of copper, that's the reason the ping is as high as it is.

Either way as long as it performs as well as it did last night I will be happy, but the true test will be whether it can sustain me gaming while the wife is on her lappy on you tube and facebook etc.

Time will tell, but if I'm right I think standard definition you tube only uses about 2Mbps??, gaming is next to nothing so I should be ok.

One thing I did notice was that the MTU was set at 1500 and I thought ADSL should ideally be a little lower eg 1472??

Any advice welcome

craigj2k12 20-04-2011 12:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35217569)
I just assumed that because I'm at the end of a couple of miles of copper, that's the reason the ping is as high as it is.

Either way as long as it performs as well as it did last night I will be happy, but the true test will be whether it can sustain me gaming while the wife is on her lappy on you tube and facebook etc.

Time will tell, but if I'm right I think standard definition you tube only uses about 2Mbps??, gaming is next to nothing so I should be ok.

One thing I did notice was that the MTU was set at 1500 and I thought ADSL should ideally be a little lower eg 1472??

Any advice welcome

depends on the network, most isps have it set at 1500, but some use 1472, and some even use 1400

pabscars 20-04-2011 12:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k11 (Post 35217639)
depends on the network, most isps have it set at 1500, but some use 1472, and some even use 1400

Cheers Craig, I will have a play over the next few days and see if any gains can be had ;)

craigj2k12 20-04-2011 12:36

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to calculate what MTU you should use

http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/MTU2.htm

pabscars 20-04-2011 12:44

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A few of my online buddies have BT ADSL and don't have any serious issues with FPS games like Black Op's etc.

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Originally Posted by craigj2k11 (Post 35217647)
to calculate what MTU you should use

http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/MTU2.htm

Rep sent

much obliged :)

kalleh 20-04-2011 15:28

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call up sky and tell them to reduce your maxdelays pabscars and youll see a big improvement in ping

pabscars 20-04-2011 15:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kalleh (Post 35217838)
call up sky and tell them to reduce your maxdelays pabscars and youll see a big improvement in ping

Can you give me a little more info Kalleh, is this within Sky's remit to change stuff like this.

Also I have to bear in mind that (according to the literature) I have to wait 10 days for my line to stabilise and during that time my speed will fluctuate.

Chrysalis 20-04-2011 16:32

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pabscars you have proved a point I made before tho.

the point been jitter is king over base latency, you have a high base latency but good jitter hence your improvement in gaming.

kalleh 20-04-2011 17:20

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Yeah if you speak to someone who doesnt know what it is try to speak to either senior support but generally the term used it maxdelay/interleaving.

craigj2k12 20-04-2011 17:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kalleh (Post 35217955)
Yeah if you speak to someone who doesnt know what it is try to speak to either senior support but generally the term used it maxdelay/interleaving.

max delay and interleaving is a completley different thing. on LLU sky will NOT put you onto a zero interleaving profile whatsoever, i dont even think the staff have the option to, however on the non LLU packages i think they can. on the LLU they have the option of reducing the max delay, from what i remember its from 16 to 8 to reduce ping

pabscars 20-04-2011 21:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35217910)
pabscars you have proved a point I made before tho.

the point been jitter is king over base latency, you have a high base latency but good jitter hence your improvement in gaming.

Agreed, fingers crossed it stays that way

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Originally Posted by craigj2k11 (Post 35217982)
max delay and interleaving is a completley different thing. on LLU sky will NOT put you onto a zero interleaving profile whatsoever, i dont even think the staff have the option to, however on the non LLU packages i think they can. on the LLU they have the option of reducing the max delay, from what i remember its from 16 to 8 to reduce ping

Interesting stuff guys and big thanks for the heads up, so lets say after the settling in period I can ring up Sky (LLU) and ask them to flick a switch or whatever they do to reduce the max delay to 8 and they should know what I'm talking about, will this have any impact on Jitter at all.

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/04/44.png

Just noticed the Sky monitor has started running again, I don't know why I've not done anything.

pip08456 20-04-2011 21:42

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After your earlier post I checked my Infinity graph which was also a mass of red.

Turns out my IP had changed.

Looks like I have to monitor that as I am used to VM IP's being sticky (sort of).

pabscars 20-04-2011 22:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35218251)
After your earlier post I checked my Infinity graph which was also a mass of red.

Turns out my IP had changed.

Looks like I have to monitor that as I am used to VM IP's being sticky (sort of).

It was the first thing I checked pip, no harm done at least it's working again :)

Chrysalis 20-04-2011 23:41

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that is my major gripe with the tbb monitoring, no facility to edit the ip of a monitor. So when I went back to the superhub as the ip was new I had to make a new graph, I expect when I go back to the vmng300 if the dhcp expires so new ip again, it will be yet another new graph.

pip08456 21-04-2011 00:19

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35218399)
that is my major gripe with the tbb monitoring, no facility to edit the ip of a monitor. So when I went back to the superhub as the ip was new I had to make a new graph, I expect when I go back to the vmng300 if the dhcp expires so new ip again, it will be yet another new graph.

Unfortunately Yes but it does state quite clearly when setting up a graph that dynamic IP's are not supported.

pabscars 21-04-2011 17:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35218284)
It was the first thing I checked pip, no harm done at least it's working again :)

edit scrap that my IP has changed :rolleyes:

my bad pip :)

pip08456 21-04-2011 19:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35218948)
edit scrap that my IP has changed :rolleyes:

my bad pip :)

Oooooooooops!:D

Chrysalis 21-04-2011 22:52

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the dhcp didnt expire so my vmng300 ip is still intact.

ok some superhub vs vmng300 data.

on the attached graph, the vmng300 went live on the middle 'mon' where the grey turns to a fainter colour, the fainter colour indicates less jitter. You can see darkey grey again as when the superhub went back in for the firmware testing.

What is interesting is overall there has been shown a steady improvement in latency/jitter taking modem changes aside. this is more obvious on the 2nd graph. The start of that graph before the upgrade that happened on my port, and even after the sudden improvement at end of february there is a steady improvement on the reported latency and jitter until the latter part of april where it has started rising slightly.

Whilst there is spikes on my smokeping data it is not matching tbb spikes. People can draw their own conclusions but thought it be interesting to show non tbb data on my connection.

Chrysalis 22-04-2011 15:03

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little further update with last 30 hour graph showing change back to vmng300.

Neo-Tech 27-04-2011 11:56

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http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...26-04-2011.png

Red line is me rebooting the Dud. I wasn't downloading anything at 8pm either, seems it's utilisation.

pip08456 28-04-2011 02:39

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Something happened tonight!

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...28-04-2011.png

Neo-Tech 28-04-2011 11:10

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The red line at 2am is on all my graphs including non Virgin Media ones, second time in 2 days that I've had a red line from TBB.

pabscars 28-04-2011 11:21

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http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...28-04-2011.png

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The last couple of days on my Vm 30/3 connection


This has become the norm now, and I don't seem to be getting any info back via the CEO's office any more as my last 3 emails have been ignored, either that or there just inundated at the moment.

I don't suppose there is much point continuing with the service, as I'm not using it at all now, I just wanted to help Vm get to the route of the problem if not for my sake but the sake of the other poor sod's on the same port.

I'm guessing it's the same noise issue as before causing the modulation to shift.

On my Sky Unlimited connection all seems as expected apart from I cant get the TBB graph to stay up and running for long before it returns constant packet loss, or my IP addy changes but from the bit here it looks ok.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...28-04-2011.png

I might try turning the firewall off for a bit to see if that helps, but apart from downloads taking an expected age (1.53Gb from xbox live took an hour), gaming seems very good.

I hosted a 4 player match on MW2 (xbox) the other night with no issues at all, and I'm temporarily hooked up wirelessly.

pabscars 03-05-2011 09:16

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Anybody else's graph stopped working the last few days??????

pip08456 03-05-2011 09:26

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Check your IP addy hasn't changed.

pabscars 03-05-2011 10:01

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35227822)
Check your IP addy hasn't changed.

lol :D

Yes I did that first thing, it looks like mine hasn't been working since May 1st.

It would also appear to be a TBB issue because there is literally no results at all, no packet loss,,,, nada,,,,,,,

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Freaky, it's suddenly started working again,,,, maybe the guys at TBB have just rebooted a server or something because when I checked before there appeared to be no data, now there is and for the previous days also.

No worries anyway, as of today I will taking no pleasure in cancelling my Vm BB, it's been a roller coaster for sure but I cant justify having 2 suppliers and the Sky BB is doing just fine so one must go unfortunately.

The TBB monitor has shown that the noise issues I've had are still outstanding and no info is forth coming from the CEO's office so what's a guy to do.

Chrysalis 03-05-2011 13:49

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it happened here also, happens every now and then at TBB.

craigj2k12 03-05-2011 14:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35227945)
it happened here also, happens every now and then at TBB.

doesnt disappear for me, but i do get occasions when my graphs shows more than 50% packet loss for no apparent reason!?

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actually, correction, its now disappeared

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/06/120.png

Neo-Tech 03-05-2011 20:56

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^I swear that bug has happened before.

Anyway, here's mine:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...03-05-2011.png

Chrysalis 03-05-2011 21:03

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they said the hardware crashed and had to be rebooted so non archived data was lost.

craigj2k12 03-05-2011 22:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35228316)
they said the hardware crashed and had to be rebooted so non archived data was lost.

it is a beta service after all :)

Tivo2011 04-05-2011 08:11

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Same monitoring drop out then a more worrying service blip... :cry:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...03-05-2011.png

Welshchris 04-05-2011 08:57

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mine seems ok....

My Broadband Ping

Neo-Tech 04-05-2011 17:37

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That is insane.Your area must be seriously quiet for it to be that low.

craigj2k12 04-05-2011 19:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo-Tech (Post 35228826)
That is insane.Your area must be seriously quiet for it to be that low.

mine can be like that sometimes, but it does like to spike quite highly for long periods of time during peak hours

edit, i was looking at the one above, yes, that is ridiculously low

Sirius 04-05-2011 20:03

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Mine is still running strong

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/05/128.png

pabscars 05-05-2011 08:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35228933)

That is really frustrating to see a line just down the road from me, running through the same equipment as me yet mines like this

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Nice result Sirius none the less

Neo-Tech 07-05-2011 20:50

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http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...07-05-2011.png

Connection has been hammered quite a bit today I guess. :|


http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...07-05-2011.png

10MB on the overlay network. Something's wrong with this one, again.

Skie 07-05-2011 22:16

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Think Virmin have been fiddling with my area, the maximum seems to have been lowered by quite a bit over the past few days:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...07-05-2011.png

Compared with the pooperhub from 2 months ago:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...18-03-2011.png

Ignitionnet 08-05-2011 09:37

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Well here you go, the red lines are where the PoS needed resetting due to getting unstable.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/05/127.png

craigj2k12 08-05-2011 12:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35231519)
Well here you go, the red lines are where the PoS needed resetting due to getting unstable.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/05/127.png

your minimum latency is below 10, so its not all bad. see if you can get a VMNG300 and that should iron things out a bit

pabscars 08-05-2011 12:32

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Not as good as the one at your old gaff igni

Ignitionnet 08-05-2011 13:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k11 (Post 35231644)
your minimum latency is below 10, so its not all bad. see if you can get a VMNG300 and that should iron things out a bit

Minimum latency means nothing, I'm just across town from the servers doing the pinging. It just means that when it polls one of them manages to get through and get responded to in a timely fashion, unfortunately others get delayed by up to 40ms.

It's actually rather bad that minimum latency is so low, the jitter and out of order packets / datagrams will play hell with gaming.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35231655)
Not as good as the one at your old gaff igni

The old gaff was O2 ADSL pabs.

craigj2k12 08-05-2011 13:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35231706)
Minimum latency means nothing, I'm just across town from the servers doing the pinging. It just means that when it polls one of them manages to get through and get responded to in a timely fashion, unfortunately others get delayed by up to 40ms.

It's actually rather bad that minimum latency is so low, the jitter and out of order packets / datagrams will play hell with gaming.

VM is hell for jitter, we have established this many times before

pabscars 08-05-2011 13:17

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I thought you had 50 Meg as well Igni, my bad :)

Ignitionnet 08-05-2011 13:29

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Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35231717)
I thought you had 50 Meg as well Igni, my bad :)

Nah that was some random's cable modem I was monitoring in the same general area.

I got rid of 50Mb due to reliability issues.

craigj2k12 08-05-2011 13:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35231728)
Nah that was some random's cable modem I was monitoring in the same general area.

I got rid of 50Mb due to reliability issues.

isnt that illegal?

Sirius 08-05-2011 13:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35229208)
That is really frustrating to see a line just down the road from me, running through the same equipment as me yet mines like this

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...03-05-2011.png

Nice result Sirius none the less

Sorry to see you are still getting a hard time from your connection :(

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/05/128.png

Welshchris 08-05-2011 13:41

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http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...08-05-2011.png

Since the T3 errors suddenly stopped again my connection seems ok.

Ignitionnet 08-05-2011 13:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k11 (Post 35231731)
isnt that illegal?

Why would pinging an IP address be illegal?

No, not in the slightest.

craigj2k12 08-05-2011 13:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35231738)
Why would pinging an IP address be illegal?

No, not in the slightest.

pinging an ip address a couple of times isn't illegal, but there has to be something against monitoring someone's ping 24/7, it effectively using someone elses connection without their permission

Ignitionnet 08-05-2011 13:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k11 (Post 35231746)
pinging an ip address a couple of times isn't illegal, but there has to be something against monitoring someone's ping 24/7, it effectively using someone elses connection without their permission

I'll repeat that it's not illegal to ping someone, even if it's done frequently.

If you can find anything within the law that suggests otherwise I'll be happy to stand corrected.

I'm not using their network without permission, WAN side ping is on, I have not circumvented any kind of security mechanisms to do so and am not causing degradation to their service, therefore no violation of Computer Misuse Act.

craigj2k12 08-05-2011 14:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35231751)
I'll repeat that it's not illegal to ping someone, even if it's done frequently.

If you can find anything within the law that suggests otherwise I'll be happy to stand corrected.

I'm not using their network without permission, WAN side ping is on, I have not circumvented any kind of security mechanisms to do so and am not causing degradation to their service, therefore no violation of Computer Misuse Act.

okay whatever, it would be pretty tough to prove in court i suppose lol

Bullstein 08-05-2011 14:18

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/05/118.png

This is my 50MB service, ok apart from the ping spikes (I haven't used Internet all day )
I have separate modem/router set up but am upgrading to 100MB and superhub on Friday

If it's crap I'll cancel it and stick with 50MB

craigj2k12 08-05-2011 14:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bullstein (Post 35231762)

whats with the ups and downs? if it was permanently in the low bit, it would be amazing

Bullstein 08-05-2011 14:31

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No idea m8

Even if I don't use anything the same pattern of it jumping up and down from 20-60ms happens continually

Wish it would stay in the low periods all day as gaming is perfect during the low periods

craigj2k12 08-05-2011 14:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bullstein (Post 35231774)
No idea m8

Even if I don't use anything the same pattern of it jumping up and down from 20-60ms happens continually

Wish it would stay in the low periods all day as gaming is perfect during the low periods

i can imagine.

what router or modem combination are you using?

do you have anything else connected that might be causing it?

Bullstein 08-05-2011 15:07

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I have the VMG300 modem with my own Netgear WNDR3700 router

Works well like I say but gaming suffers with the slightly unstable ping

And no, I don't have anything else connected to it. It's the same every day. Someone on the VM forums mentioned it might be that other users nearby are using theirs more during the spiky periods

Utilisation

Chrysalis 08-05-2011 16:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35231519)
Well here you go, the red lines are where the PoS needed resetting due to getting unstable.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/05/127.png

is there a reason you can think off why it looks like congestion building up at 3am then suddenly dissapears in an instant? I wonder if it had switched to qpsk on upstream and then back again. Also the rugged min latency that starts after midnight post shaping, I also wonder if you also have downstream congestion.

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Originally Posted by craigj2k11 (Post 35231754)
okay whatever, it would be pretty tough to prove in court i suppose lol

pinging in that it denies service eg. a DOS or DDOS yes but something like the TBB monitor is perfectly legal.

People ping services like bbc.co.uk all the time without specific permission.

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Originally Posted by craigj2k11 (Post 35231763)
whats with the ups and downs? if it was permanently in the low bit, it would be amazing

I commented on this in a previous post in this thread. In my view its to do with the vmng300 it seems to jump in between 2 modes in how it handles pings. If I run tests during a jump it is no significant difference from when it is really low, and is actually usually slightly better than when its low.

I can have tbb showing jitter of about 10ms then run pingtest.net and get 1ms, and I have posted pings on this forum numerous times lately showing very low jitter like on ignition's thread. So in my view when it jumps down thats the real jitter, and when it jumps up the operational mode changes to deprioritise the packets. What I have no idea on is if its the dir615 or the vmng300 as the vmng300 should simply be passing through the packets with no processing at all. However when I used the dir615 with my old 20mbit modem I did not see this pattern.

Chrysalis 08-05-2011 16:34

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ok so on this pic I drawn a redline showing where it would be without the jumps, it seems to bear little relation to off peak and peak as I dont think my port is lower utilised at 4pm than at 5am, the jump after midnight was me uploading something so ignore that.

craigj2k12 08-05-2011 22:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35231840)
I commented on this in a previous post in this thread. In my view its to do with the vmng300 it seems to jump in between 2 modes in how it handles pings. If I run tests during a jump it is no significant difference from when it is really low, and is actually usually slightly better than when its low.

I can have tbb showing jitter of about 10ms then run pingtest.net and get 1ms, and I have posted pings on this forum numerous times lately showing very low jitter like on ignition's thread. So in my view when it jumps down thats the real jitter, and when it jumps up the operational mode changes to deprioritise the packets. What I have no idea on is if its the dir615 or the vmng300 as the vmng300 should simply be passing through the packets with no processing at all. However when I used the dir615 with my old 20mbit modem I did not see this pattern.

cant be anything to do with the modem, it doesnt do that for me, what firmware is the router running?

Chrysalis 08-05-2011 22:29

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the dir615 is using ddwrt 14929 with SPI fw disabled.

craigj2k12 08-05-2011 22:30

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35232137)
the dir615 is using ddwrt 14929 with SPI fw disabled.

have you tried a newer version of DDWRT?

Chrysalis 08-05-2011 22:32

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Originally Posted by craigj2k11 (Post 35232139)
have you tried a newer version of DDWRT?

I have but rolled back as all newer builds have some nasty bugs.

craigj2k12 08-05-2011 22:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35232147)
I have but rolled back as all newer builds have some nasty bugs.

im using the very latest build on my Asus RT-N16, the only issue is uPnP, which is a known issue, and uPnP is disables by default, and iv left it there and had absolutely no problems. have you though of trying others like tomato, i keep meaning to give it a go but never get round to it

Chrysalis 08-05-2011 22:42

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you forgot the wireless issue where ddwrt have decided to hard line stick to rfc specs meaning many users cannot get full speed N performance, and the few firmware builds where the ethernet ports completely stopped working O_o. :) I read reports from others of various features not working in random 15x and 16x builds so reverted to the latest reccomended version from the main dev which is 14929. For what its worth tho I did use a newer firmware with the vmng300 before I downgraded and the ping graph had the same patterns. Your graph also has the patterns and you use a asus router.

craigj2k12 08-05-2011 23:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35232167)
you forgot the wireless issue where ddwrt have decided to hard line stick to rfc specs meaning many users cannot get full speed N performance, and the few firmware builds where the ethernet ports completely stopped working O_o. :) I read reports from others of various features not working in random 15x and 16x builds so reverted to the latest reccomended version from the main dev which is 14929. For what its worth tho I did use a newer firmware with the vmng300 before I downgraded and the ping graph had the same patterns. Your graph also has the patterns and you use a asus router.

iv just tried flashing tomato and I think iv bricked my router I can't get an up address wired and its not broadcasting wireless, any ideas?

Chrysalis 08-05-2011 23:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k11 (Post 35232205)
iv just tried flashing tomato and I think iv bricked my router I can't get an up address wired and its not broadcasting wireless, any ideas?

I thought I bricked mine when I rolled back to 14929. What happened was I had the ddwrt ip set to 192.168.1.253, the default is 192.168.1.1.

After the flash it seemed to be using a mixture of the 2 for different functions and did respond to pings but was not accessible on the gui. and on dhcp etc.

I ended up doing the 30/30/30 reset which recovered it. So i would try that first, bit of a pain to do as I had to find something to hold the emergency reset down in that hole but ended up finding something to use.

There is a emergency flash tool which can be used, apparently supposed to run it whilst the router is booting up as is available for a small window during boot to accept a new flash. Info should be on ddwrt site somewhere for that.

--edit--

you using tomato so the recovery procedures I used may not be available.

craigj2k12 08-05-2011 23:41

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I'll try a 30-30-30 tomorrow.

I would use a telnet, or use another up, but the router is bricked, for now anyway. I'm hoping clearing the nvram will sort it, but my computer just gets an autoconfiguration ip and no gateway

Mr.A.2009 09-05-2011 15:48

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My connection has been abysmal since Friday.

I'm having an engineer sent out tomorrow to sort out the issues. Should have had one sent out today but it was cancelled without anyone informing me.

I just hope this gets sorted out.

pabscars 09-05-2011 16:07

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Originally Posted by Mr.A.2009 (Post 35232513)
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...09-05-2011.png

My connection has been abysmal since Friday.

I'm having an engineer sent out tomorrow to sort out the issues. Should have had one sent out today but it was cancelled without anyone informing me.

I just hope this gets sorted out.

Wow that's FUBAR, good luck with the engineer though ;)

If he cant improve things make sure he escalates it to networks because that looks suspiciously like severe congestion which an engineer cant do an awful lot about.

Stephen 09-05-2011 18:30

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My 50MB is great as usual on my Superhub

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craigj2k12 09-05-2011 18:37

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35232661)
My 50MB is great as usual on my Superhub

<a title="Broadband Ping" href="http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/6a2947f560002fde0deb1a9b2ea4c08c-09-05-2011.html"><img alt="My Broadband Ping - 50MB" src="http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share-thumb/6a2947f560002fde0deb1a9b2ea4c08c-09-05-2011.png" /></a>

yep thats looking pretty good, mines not doing too bad at the moment, apart from when I bricked my router last night, doh!

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/05/121.png

you could do with BB code rather than HTML by the way!

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... you cheated you edited it lol

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oddly, my old graph, using another IP address has started monitoring someones connection

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pip08456 09-05-2011 18:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k11 (Post 35232664)
yep thats looking pretty good, mines not doing too bad at the moment, apart from when I bricked my router last night, doh!

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/05/121.png

you could do with BB code rather than HTML by the way!

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... you cheated you edited it lol

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oddly, my old graph, using another IP address has started monitoring someones connection

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...09-05-2011.png

TBB montors the IP addy so if someone else gets allocated it then it will monitor it.

Remember the discussion you had with Igni? Well you're doing the same.

craigj2k12 09-05-2011 18:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35232683)
TBB montors the IP addy so if someone else gets allocated it then it will monitor it.

Remember the discussion you had with Igni? Well you're doing the same.

thats what I said lol

Quote:

oddly, my old graph, using another IP address has started monitoring someones connection
what did you think i was saying lol

pip08456 09-05-2011 18:51

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You seemed to take umbridge when Igni posted a graph of a VM connection that wasn't his IP addy and saying you thought it was illegal.

You are doing the same. You are pinging an IP addy you don't own

I fail to see the difference. (BTW it is not illegal!).

craigj2k12 09-05-2011 18:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35232692)
You seemed to take umbridge when Igni posted a graph of a VM connection that wasn't his IP addy and saying you thought it was illegal.

You are doing the same. You are pinging an IP addy you don't own

I fail to see the difference. (BTW it is not illegal!).

if its not illegal then im not doing anything wrong!

leave me alone! :D

pabscars 09-05-2011 19:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35232661)
My 50MB is great as usual on my Superhub

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...09-05-2011.png

Not too shabby Stephen not too shabby at all :)

Nice low jitter as well, cant ask for much more dude and I bet gaming's a pleasure too

I take it you live in quite a remote area ?

craigj2k12 09-05-2011 19:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35232728)
Not too shabby Stephen not too shabby at all :)

Nice low jitter as well, cant ask for much more dude and I bet gaming's a pleasure too

I take it you live in quite a remote area ?

its okay for a virgin line, but, you should be aiming for something on these lines

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pabscars 09-05-2011 20:25

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Originally Posted by craigj2k11 (Post 35232733)
its okay for a virgin line, but, you should be aiming for something on these lines

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...19-09-2010.png

And how much does that cost a month :p:

I wouldnt mind a piece of that action though :D

craigj2k12 09-05-2011 20:28

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Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35232787)
And how much does that cost a month :p:

I wouldnt mind a piece of that action though :D

i dont know, it was posted on this thread a few pages back, iv seen similar to that from Be* fastpath, and thats normal ADSL rates

Stephen 09-05-2011 21:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35232728)
Not too shabby Stephen not too shabby at all :)

Nice low jitter as well, cant ask for much more dude and I bet gaming's a pleasure too

I take it you live in quite a remote area ?

Not exactly remote, the southside of Glasgow near Rutherglen.

Bullstein 09-05-2011 22:01

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I had BE Unlimited on fastpath before switching to VM. It's a great service, but the only problem was a noisy line that BT would do nothing about. Caused packet loss

Pity

pabscars 09-05-2011 22:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35232834)
Not exactly remote, the southside of Glasgow near Rutherglen.

Not that remote then :D, nice graph either way.

on a separate note

I can remember a good while back getting my backside handed to me on cod4 by somebody with a gamertag looking suspiciously like yours :p:

Clearly it was just your BB making all the difference ;)
:D

Stephen 09-05-2011 22:15

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Doubt it was me, I suck online at COD lol. Although my younger brother sometimes plays on my GT when he stays at mine.

Chrysalis 09-05-2011 22:30

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that graph craig posted was my old one and was just over £20 month.

Bullstein 09-05-2011 22:51

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Who was it with?

I assume also that you were lucky enough to live very close to your local exchange to get a low ping like that

I'd kill to get a service like that tbh


Mine
I just wish I could get a VM service without these annoying spike periods


https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/05/118.png

Chrysalis 09-05-2011 23:11

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sync speed doesnt affect ping that much, it was a long line that was unstable on most isp's.

The isp was ukonline and 2 things where important to that graph.

1 - they utilised SRA (seamless rate adaption) technology which means if a noise burst or something occurs that would normally either cause the line to drop or get packetloss then SRA silently in the background with no downtime adapts the sync speed. It can go up as well as down. Ukonline is the only isp in the UK to ever supply this, at least confirmed.
2 - it was on the easynet network which is probably the best quality network in the UK in terms of capacity vs subscriber numbers. Its the same network that sky use for skybb who are able to supply true unlimited with no FUP, shaping etc. In addition easynet have excellent peering links worldwide, they have various POP's around the world.

Sadly ukonline got closed down by sky in jan 2011, the same can be got from easynet connect but is at a mere £200 connection fee £50 a month (used to be £100 month).

The line in question synced on average between 5.4mbit and 7.2mbit. (got nowhere near 7mbit the last 6 months as line had serious degradation, even SRA was struggling to keep stable).

Bullstein 09-05-2011 23:23

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Be perfect for gaming though

I don't download much, I'm more interested in low ping stability

driz 10-05-2011 09:57

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This is my Be connection - I get 5-6ms to bbc.co.uk from southwest London with fastpath, syncing at about 13meg. It is a joy to game on, except when my flatmate starts downloading the internet. I tried Virgin recently (30meg with super!!hub) as I just moved house and the jitter was ridiculous. I'm still playing QuakeWorld mostly which is largely based on servers in denmark and sweden, and get about 23-25ms to servers in denmark/southern sweden and a little higher to Stockholm.

pip08456 10-05-2011 10:28

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For those who may be interested here's my BT Infinity one via SamKnows moitoring and TBB graph.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/05/98.jpg

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The big red bit is as my IP addy has changed again, happens all the time with BT.:rolleyes:

pabscars 10-05-2011 10:28

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Very nice driz :drool::drool:

Bullstein 10-05-2011 10:50

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I was really happy with BE in terms of their customer service and expertise + willingness to help. The only problem was that my BT line was proving unsuitable as I had huge 6000+ single ping spikes and some packet loss

Eventually I had go reluctantly leave and try cable, but VM has continual low level jitter and spiking for me :(

Welshchris 10-05-2011 10:55

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2 be honest i dont think Virgin cable will ever get their latency down as far as ADSL. They just dont seem to want or have the inclination to do so.

_wtf_ 10-05-2011 11:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Welshchris (Post 35233019)
2 be honest i dont think Virgin cable will ever get their latency down as far as ADSL. They just dont seem to want or have the inclination to do so.

Until gamers start leaving and they get a reputation for not being gamer friendly

Chrysalis 10-05-2011 17:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by driz (Post 35232988)
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...06-05-2011.png

This is my Be connection - I get 5-6ms to bbc.co.uk from southwest London with fastpath, syncing at about 13meg. It is a joy to game on, except when my flatmate starts downloading the internet. I tried Virgin recently (30meg with super!!hub) as I just moved house and the jitter was ridiculous. I'm still playing QuakeWorld mostly which is largely based on servers in denmark and sweden, and get about 23-25ms to servers in denmark/southern sweden and a little higher to Stockholm.

not as good tho ;) you have a steady stream of packetloss there, SRA would likely prevent that. BE decided to not adopt SRA like nearly every isp, instead they concentrate on what works best for short lines.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35233007)
For those who may be interested here's my BT Infinity one via SamKnows moitoring and TBB graph.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/05/98.jpg

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...10-05-2011.png

The big red bit is as my IP addy has changed again, happens all the time with BT.:rolleyes:

how is your ip changing do you keep turning the router off? or do they force a disconnect to change the ip?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Welshchris (Post 35233019)
2 be honest i dont think Virgin cable will ever get their latency down as far as ADSL. They just dont seem to want or have the inclination to do so.

Base latency can and does get lower than adsl, jitter is the main issue.

here is some examples to bbc.co.uk.

Current VM connection - 13ms
ukonline - 9ms
xilo - 20ms
aaisp - 25ms
entanet - 25ms

all those fast path, bt wholesale's network seems to have very odd routing to london, with interleaving it wasnt unusual for me to have latency above 40ms. Of course low latency is near useless if jitter is excessive.

IpKaiFung 10-05-2011 17:56

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The wonderful service in Reading RG6 area.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/05/115.png

Bondquest 10-05-2011 20:59

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What I'm currently experiencing daily in DN32

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...10-05-2011.png

zekeisaszekedoes 10-05-2011 22:26

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Originally Posted by IpKaiFung (Post 35233264)
The wonderful service in Reading RG6 area.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/05/115.png

That's really ropey. Even I don't get that when P2P downloading at full connection speed (20Mb).


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