Cable Forum - Brexit (Old)

So this morning politicians and the BBC are finally dropping the rhetoric and admitting clearly that Parliament cannot stop Brexit occurring in March whether or not there’s a deal. Former Labour minister Yvette Cooper seems to think that good old fashioned civil war era brinkmanship is the way to deal with this - her wheeze is to propose an amendment to the finance bill (which enacts the budget), constraining some of the government’s tax raising powers in the event of a ‘no deal’, unless Parliament has explicitly authorised it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46789565

They're trying to do a U.S style shut down of the government.

papa smurf

08-01-2019 10:47

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35978326)

If her constituents are unhappy then there is a ballot box to show their displeasure at her don't you agree?..

I think if remainers can call brexiteers racist's and nazi's it must just be part of that old free speech chestnut, don't hear much condemnation when Boris/ JRM/nigel farage etc are on the receiving end.

denphone

08-01-2019 10:53

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35978335)

Whether its Remainers or Brexiteers being called racist's , nazi's or any other abusive term it should be condemned fully no ifs , no buts and no maybe's..

Damien

08-01-2019 10:54

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35978335)

I don't think you should all people Nazis (unless they actually are, i.e white supremacists) and I don't call everyone racist.

But the objection is less calling her a Nazi and more the way they surrounded her and harassed her in the street. A group of angry people surrounding someone whilst hurling abuse carries an undertone of violence to it. If this happened to anyone in a public setting you hope the police would step in and disperse the group. Given the fact she is also an MP and that carries additional security concerns then it's even worse.

jonbxx

08-01-2019 10:54

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978329)

It’s apparent that Brexit has caused the poisonous underclass to believe they can act outside the law.

The clever part is that there has been an good reading of the Tommy Robinson Playbook and these people shouting at MPs are acting within the law but only just. They are asking for a rise from the people they shout at and/or the police to become martyrs.

I have enough respect for politicians and others of all flavours for keeping calm but not running away either.

BTW, here's some further footage of the hassle Anna Soubry got after her BBC interview - https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/statu...06981828968448 Lovely people...

papa smurf

08-01-2019 11:02

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35978336)

Whether its Remainers or Brexiteers being called racist's , nazi's or any other abusive term it should be condemned fully no ifs , no buts and no maybe's..

No i don't agree, i have become desensitised to name calling ever since the referendum,i am assured it is just freedom of speech and we don't want to impede that freedom do we.

This type of confrontation has just become part of the job, I've seen worse press scrums.

jfman

08-01-2019 11:09

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Freedom to spread poison, hate and threats.

Is that what we fought and died for in the two World Wars?

nomadking

08-01-2019 11:13

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978341)

Freedom to spread poison, hate and threats.

Is that what we fought and died for in the two World Wars?

And to be able to ignore a democratic vote?

papa smurf

08-01-2019 11:31

Re: Brexit

'My car was SMASHED up!'
We even reached the position where my family was attacked

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv...EU-Theresa-May

"there’s a real double standard that those of us that have taken on the establishment have to endure the abuse, those within the establishment get a taste of it and suddenly they want the law changed.”

Mick	08-01-2019 11:33

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978341)

Freedom to spread poison, hate and threats.

Is that what we fought and died for in the two World Wars?

:rolleyes: :dunce:

Who is this we?

YOU didn't fight, our ancestors did.

And yes they fought for such freedoms to express themselves, as long as what is being expressed is perfectly legal.

But give this argument a rest FFS.

You drone on and on over the same thing. :zzz:

Mr K	08-01-2019 11:40

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35978333)

There has always been some hate and abuse there in society and there always has been but one you let the genie fully out of the bottle then that is a different thing altogether.

Brexit has encouraged hate/abuse I'm afraid. It's a worrying trend that these people think they can get away with it.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35978330)

That's fair enough, like I said, happy to be stand corrected, be it a small outcry back then - probably why I missed it.[COLOR="Silver"]

You probably had one of your eyes closed again...:rolleyes:

mrmistoffelees

08-01-2019 11:57

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35978302)

We’ve already thrashed this particular point out.

There are no material facts that we know now that we didn’t know then.

But feel free to try and come up with some.

So you were aware of the terms of the exit deal that the UK/EU would negotiate too?

Hugh	08-01-2019 12:07

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35978325)

Come to think about it, where was your outrage back when Hugh was joking about shooting dead six MPs, all Brexiteers ???

Perhaps he realised it was a joke (albeit in bad taste, apologies), rather than an actual threat?

jfman

08-01-2019 12:18

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35978342)

And to be able to ignore a democratic vote?

If there’s another democratic vote, yes.

ianch99

08-01-2019 12:29

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35978305)

I am sorry where is your fake outrage when JRM and his children were mob handed by the hard-left not many moons ago ?

I have no sympathy for Anna Soubry, she is a liar who was elected and stood on a manifesto honouring the Brexit result. She deserves all she gets, people are bloody angry out there and rightfully so - it will only manifest itself to greater levels if Brexit is halted by democracy abusers.

My outage is not fake I assure you. You may not have a problem with thugs intimidating MP's but I do ..

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