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davews 07-05-2008 13:02
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Oscar (Post 34546170)
Steve Gibson at grc.com is heavily into web security, I wonder what he thinks about all this?
Steve to date has not said anything about Phorm or its US equivalents, which I find quite surprising - I follow his newsgroups and Security Now podcast (as pdf transcript) and not a word.

To try and stir some interest I added a comment to a posting on his grc.news.feedback newsgroup where I know he posts. Steve is currently doing a lot of work in cookies, so surely this is up his street. You can see my post in the thread at http://12078.net/grcnews/article.php...feedback#71899 (as Dave Sergeant) and it has currently generated one interesting reply, but nothing from Steve yet. If you want to reply you need to subscribe to grc.news.feedback at news.grc.com

Florence 07-05-2008 13:16
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Dave from that link I found the talk of what Phorm is amusing but totally honest not sure if we are allowed to quoted from that site would be good if we can..

SelfProtection 07-05-2008 13:43
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Florence (Post 34546217)
Dave from that link I found the talk of what Phorm is amusing but totally honest not sure if we are allowed to quoted from that site would be good if we can..
I suggest you ask him via the suggested newsgroup.

Indexing by Google or other Sources is strongly discouraged, but as far as I know he has no objection to individual Information Links & requests for information on Security Privacy Issues.

I believe he is acutely aware of the current situation concerning Phorm & other such Technologies, his "Up & Coming Cookie Forensics System" being part of this overall picture.

NTLVictim 07-05-2008 15:01
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by James_Firth (Post 34546143)
Then you beat me to it by one day! I only started reading this thread a couple of weeks ago but you are welcome to the domain if you want it in recognition of your post. Just set up a 123-reg account and PM me and I'll transfer it to you for zippo.
You are more than welcome to the domain, I'm sure you will make much better use of it than I!:D

Feel free to use any ani phorm phrases that might pop out of what I laughingly call my brain as well, including t shirt printing etc.

I'm trying to focus on joe public.

Rchivist 07-05-2008 15:08
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Florence (Post 34546127)
Had a reply from Amazon.



Wonder what next I did take my concerns to my ISP and never had response then what arrived wasn't the type you expected so I moved to a phorm phree ISP..
That's reassuring - still puzzles me though, comparing that with what looked like PhormPRTeam spin which is what I got from Amazon when I wrote on the same topic-

Dear Customer,

What makes the technology behind OIX and Webwise truly groundbreaking is that it takes consumer privacy protection to a new level. Our technology doesn't store any personally identifiable information or IP addresses, and we don't retain information on user browsing behaviour. So we never know - and can't record - who's browsing, or where they've browsed.

If you have any concerns, please highlight them to your internet service provider.

Thank you for shopping at Amazon.co.uk

Please let us know if this e-mail answered your question:



Still waiting for the final reply.

James_Firth 07-05-2008 15:24
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NTLVictim (Post 34546298)
You are more than welcome to the domain, I'm sure you will make much better use of it than I!:D

Feel free to use any ani phorm phrases that might pop out of what I laughingly call my brain as well, including t shirt printing etc.

I'm trying to focus on joe public.
Thanks! Unfortunately despite my fits of posting I do have major work commitments too but I'll see what I can do. I genuinely thought I'd got there first but as ever it is usually the case that one has picked it up from somewhere, and besides there's very rarely such a thing as a truly unique idea, which somewhat makes a mockery of certain systems designed to protect intellectual "property". Many groups and composers fighting to protect their royalties owe their success to the society in which they developed, including every piece of music they ever listened to. Except perhaps John Cage.

jelv 07-05-2008 15:32
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
I'm not impressed with the number of one particular party who have signed the Early Day Motion:

Conservative Party 3
Democratic Unionist Party 4
INDEPENDENT LABOUR 1
Labour Party 13
Liberal Democrats 23
Social Democratic and Labour Party 1

My (Conservative) MP hasn't even responded to the message I sent urging him to sign.

Looks like another round of letters to those whose MPs haven't signed is needed.

Florence 07-05-2008 15:38
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by R Jones (Post 34546303)
That's reassuring - still puzzles me though, comparing that with what looked like PhormPRTeam spin which is what I got from Amazon when I wrote on the same topic-

Dear Customer,

What makes the technology behind OIX and Webwise truly groundbreaking is that it takes consumer privacy protection to a new level. Our technology doesn't store any personally identifiable information or IP addresses, and we don't retain information on user browsing behaviour. So we never know - and can't record - who's browsing, or where they've browsed.

If you have any concerns, please highlight them to your internet service provider.




Thank you for shopping at Amazon.co.uk

Please let us know if this e-mail answered your question:



Still waiting for the final reply.
I sort of told them that if they were part of the OIX platform I would be closig my accout with them and buying elsewere. also... :) Pointed out I felt so strong fro my online security. Since I have been buying xmas present supplying uni books etc from them I have bought a lot..

Back onto Phorm a member who hasn't posted has offered to host the capts videos of the public meeting I have alink to this website have sent one to Alexander just not sure if we should post public of pass it around over pms?

link to the videos for any one still need to see the public meeting www.buttonclicker.com

SelfProtection 07-05-2008 16:18
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Florence (Post 34546327)
I sort of told them that if they were part of the OIX platform I would be closig my accout with them and buying elsewere. also... :) Pointed out I felt so strong fro my online security. Since I have been buying xmas present supplying uni books etc from them I have bought a lot..

Back onto Phorm a member who hasn't posted has offered to host the capts videos of the public meeting I have alink to this website have sent one to Alexander just not sure if we should post public of pass it around over pms?

link to the videos for any one still need to see the public meeting www.buttonclicker.com
This Site is also back on line at the moment.
http://tobymeres.net/

Florence 07-05-2008 16:39
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SelfProtection (Post 34546395)
This Site is also back on line at the moment.
http://tobymeres.net/
Possibly the more different hostings it is on the better.

BeckyD 07-05-2008 17:09
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Thought this might amuse you all. My husband was filling in a Ciao survey this afternoon and this was one of the survey pages:

http://www.biro-art.net/arkenford.jpg

Wonder if the survey BT did was presented like this. I also wonder what advertising company this part of the Ciao survey was conducted on behalf of - could it be phorm perhaps?

popper 07-05-2008 17:34
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
some interesting "Calls for tenders" from this page, some of which relate very much to the EU DPA and the Data Protection 29 working party i have linked to in the past.

and recently mentioned by (which hat am i wearing in this post or it might be a personal Opinion ;) ) simon and the potential of a future UK/EU/US trade war!

it might also help if you can see last nights more four "true stories thin/Taking Liberties" program to see how all this might fit together in the future....
http://www.channel4.com/video/true-s...s/catchup.html
"This polemical and irreverent film examines how our fundamental rights are being systematically undermined in the current climate of fear."


http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/fun...tm#117940-2008

as referenced from the
http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/fsj...s/index_en.htm
Data Protection — European Commission

NTLVictim 07-05-2008 17:45
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Just messing around, whaddayathink?


BTrayal

Deko 07-05-2008 17:53
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Check this out..

http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/deta...ail&id=4020481

Quote:
PHORM are apparently being investigated for making incorrect statements regarding agreements with Virgin. If they are found guilty of this it could lead to their shares being suspended if the regulator gets to use the new powers announced today.
phrom iii boards

Anonymouse 07-05-2008 18:07
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SelfProtection (Post 34546166)
https://www.grc.com/stm/shootthemessenger.htm

This particular User or Malware may have enabled the Windows Messenger Service.
Interesting that the service apparently doesn't exist in Vista...not that anyone'll miss it, of course. :)


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