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Dephormation 07-05-2008 08:16
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chroma (Post 34546047)
Im aware its scaremongering, but is that any worse than Phorm spin?
I figure if it gets even 3 people to look further into the matter then nope.
Excellent posts to MSE - it isn't scaremongering IMHO. It would also be worth letting people on their know about the content theft angle, I'd guess some will be business owners (or investors in business that have a web site).

Also from the privacy policy on MSE "The information derived from use of cookies will be aggregated to provide statistical information about the usage of our site. However, we do not use any information derived from cookies, nor any IP addresses we collect, to identify any individual user of our site."

Whereas Phorm will impose a Phorged cookie to gather information specific to that user.

And of course - perhaps let Martin Lewis all his content will be used by Phorm to promote other web sites, and his consent is assumed.

Also from the T&Cs "You are allowed to use our content for personal, non-commercial use only". Which would mean people opting in to Phorm/Webwise and BT are clearly violating the terms of use, even if consent could be assumed

Pete.

jelv 07-05-2008 09:52
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Florence (Post 34546014)
Strange but the thinkbroadband forums seem to not have any threads on phorm either.

http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/threads.php?Cat=
I've had a bit of a go on there:

http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showthre...b=5&o=0&fpart=

NTLVictim 07-05-2008 10:01
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by James_Firth (Post 34545713)
When did you first coin the phrase and how does it relate to whois on webspies.org.uk? - I've genuinely no idea where it came from but I registered it thus:

---------- Post added at 17:16 ---------- Previous post was at 17:15 ----------

Domain name:
webspies.org.uk

Registrant:
JD Firth

Registrant type:
UK Individual

Registrant's address:
The registrant is a non-trading individual who has opted to have their
address omitted from the WHOIS service.

Registrar:
GX Networks Ltd t/a 123-Reg.co.uk [Tag = 123-REG]
URL: http://www.123-reg.co.

Relevant dates:
Registered on: 04-Apr-2008
Renewal date: 04-Apr-2010
I posted it HERE..

Florence 07-05-2008 10:16
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Had a reply from Amazon.

Quote:
Dear *****************

Greetings from Amazon.co.uk.

I have received a response from our legal department regarding your
concerns with Phorm. In relation to your specific questions, I
cannot comment on whether the use of Phorm or other devices by your
ISP breaches our Terms and Conditions as this would be a matter
between us and the relevant ISP.

You can be assured that we take the security and privacy of our
customers' information very seriously. We do not use Phorm's
services and will not communicate our customers' information to
Phorm or to Internet service providers.

We are however not in a position to control the software or other
devices used by your Internet service provider. If you are concerned
by the use of Phorm or other devices by your Internet service
provider we can only encourage you to contact your Internet service
provider directly to solve the issue.

I hope this has clarified the situation. As previously advised if
you require further assistance in relation to this issue please use
the following link to contact us again:
Wonder what next I did take my concerns to my ISP and never had response then what arrived wasn't the type you expected so I moved to a phorm phree ISP..

Mesmer 07-05-2008 10:24
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Good Morning PhormUKPRteam

Here’s a constructive suggestion. Why not persuade Kent to engineer in “dangerously addictive” to add to Phorm’s list of other undesirable, unwanted and unwelcome qualities? It worked for the tobacco industry! :devsmoke:

James_Firth 07-05-2008 10:41
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NTLVictim (Post 34546121)
I posted it HERE..
Then you beat me to it by one day! I only started reading this thread a couple of weeks ago but you are welcome to the domain if you want it in recognition of your post. Just set up a 123-reg account and PM me and I'll transfer it to you for zippo.

jelv 07-05-2008 10:47
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
There's a new post on the thinkbroadband forums: http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showthre...b=5&o=0&fpart=

It's either tin hats time or VM are up to something very naughty.

Wild Oscar 07-05-2008 11:02
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by warescouse (Post 34545996)
Most of us I am sure have been mentioning to friends the Phorm link up with ISP's and its illegal interception of data and attempt to make people aware, but is it just me or do any others find it difficult at times to talk to friends who are a little 'technophobic'.

Although we do our bit and complain to the powers that be that make high level decisions and can also make 'waves' I think that education of the masses is very important aspect of the campaign. I wonder if anybody has a 'good' but simple method that works I can use with most people and doesn't make the person delivering the educational sermon (myself) seem like a person with a fanatical cause. I think I bore myself also too easily at times :blah:
Yes, I've noticed this too. Even on forums where people are 'in-the-know' and tech-friendly, some folk seem to think that "I'll block the ads then, thats easy enough, it won't be a problem for me" .. completely missing the point!! .. very frustrating ..

I think the best analogy to use is comparing Phorm to 'wire-tapping' .. people snooping on your phone listening to everything you say, that might shake people up a bit ..

Great news on the sticky by the way .. :tu:

Florence 07-05-2008 11:03
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jelv (Post 34546150)
There's a new post on the thinkbroadband forums: http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showthre...b=5&o=0&fpart=

It's either tin hats time or VM are up to something very naughty.
I can't be a member on there due to my ISPreview post can someone ask them to do a check on cookies for any from webwise or phorm plus a few tracerts to websites they visited. The information is needed to prove if VM are now doing secret trials without Informed consent.

SelfProtection 07-05-2008 11:12
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jelv (Post 34546150)
There's a new post on the thinkbroadband forums: http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showthre...b=5&o=0&fpart=

It's either tin hats time or VM are up to something very naughty.
Can you Post this link on the Forum Above, I've already got too many Forums in my list.

https://www.grc.com/stm/shootthemessenger.htm

This particular User or Malware may have enabled the Windows Messenger Service.

jelv 07-05-2008 11:14
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Florence (Post 34546156)
I can't be a member on there due to my ISPreview post can someone ask them to do a check on cookies for any from webwise or phorm plus a few tracerts to websites they visited. The information is needed to prove if VM are now doing secret trials without Informed consent.
Done

Wild Oscar 07-05-2008 11:16
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Steve Gibson at grc.com is heavily into web security, I wonder what he thinks about all this?

jelv 07-05-2008 11:16
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SelfProtection (Post 34546166)
Can you Post this link on the Forum Above, I've already got too many Forums in my list.

https://www.grc.com/stm/shootthemessenger.htm

This particular User or Malware may have enabled the Windows Messenger Service.
Also done

Dephormation 07-05-2008 11:30
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
How Google currently responds to suspected spyware;

http://sorry.google.com/sorry/

We're sorry... ... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. ... if you suspect that your computer or network has been infected, you might want to run a virus checker or spyware remover

Florence 07-05-2008 11:43
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dephormation (Post 34546184)
How Google currently responds to suspected spyware;

http://sorry.google.com/sorry/

We're sorry... ... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. ... if you suspect that your computer or network has been infected, you might want to run a virus checker or spyware remover
wonder if that is there way to protect the searches from phorm nice if it is.

Thank you jelv will monitor it for the replies.


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