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Other vaccines were new at some point and surely people would have been concerned about future complications when these other vaccines were released?

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I guess the key difference is that things like DBS and HGV licences are mandated by law whereas vaccinations are mandated by employers.

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And abused by them to such a degree the government has legislated for filters to be applied

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I was thinking more about the 'Human Rights' outcry side of things. It seems to be the 'go to' place for anything that upsets people and their work conditions.

I guess including it in working contracts would trigger a few, but at the end of the day everybody has a choice of whether to work or not ;)

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Is Nick Hancock seen by the PM as hopeless for his handling of the pandemic response?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57498845

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New after years of testing and multiple hurdles to get over, but people weren't forced to have them against their will to keep their jobs.

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If they're compulsory then people would have breached their contracts of employment if they didn't have those other vaccines them.

Your gripe seems to revolve the speed that the current vaccinations were brought to market. This issue has been addressed many times before including this from the BBC. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55041371

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it's not my gripe, i'm trying to understand why some people , especially those in the health services are reluctant to take the vaccines, these aren't a bunch of drunken idiots on a march these are health professionals, those very people who were being clapped and called hero's not so long ago.

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Sadly some of those working in health services would be on that march. Whilst the medical evidence doesn't support them, their instincts are that the medicines have been rushed through and a few "Fakebook" posts will support such beliefs.

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Is there any evidence significant numbers of people in these sectors aren't getting vaccinated?

Entertainingly. JCVI are about to recommend against vaccinating children. So we invite more waves rather than herd immunity.

Good news for those that love a good lockdown to allow schools to act as petri dishes for new variants. Bad news for everyone that wants to move on.

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Was it not the case that the amount of testing/trials is the same but compressed into a shorter time period? Everything i can find suggests that to be so

Certain NHS trusts already require clinical staff performing set procedures to have certain vaccinations, it's also a condition of employment for new clinical staff hires, failing to adhere means the offer of employment is withdrawn.

I don't see where the issue is ?

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There's a couple of reports flying around about low uptake of vaccination in care home workers.


EDIT: Here's one i found https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....07.21252972v1

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Just been having a look at the Pfizer vaccine details to see if there's anything controversial that might set people who work in healthcare's spidey senses tingling and got down in to the weeds on how the vaccine RNA is made up. It's very clever! You have (from beginning to end)

• A 'do not destroy' signal at the start (ubiquitous in nature)
• A bit that says where the RNA should be sent in the cell (ubiquitous in all complex life from yeast onwards)
• A bit that says 'hey this is for a human protein that you need, get making' (from humans obviously)
• The SARS-COV2 spike protein code itself, slightly modified so it doesn't 'trigger' and enter cells
• A bit that says 'OK, you're done' which is ubiquitous in nature

So the only non-human bit is the spike protein itself.

The whole shebang has been slightly chemically modified to help it hang around a bit longer. If you get the old jewellers eyepiece out, you can even see the 'copy and paste' bits where you can drop a different spike protein in if you want to make a vaccine against a variant.

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Does that tell you what effect it will have on the human body in five years time, what if thousands of people start to die of the same thing and it's traced back to one of the vaccines , only the passage of time will let us know and as far as i know there is no way to jump forward five years to check.

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But that’s not the reason why clinical trials have previously taken longer. They weren’t testing for long-term side effects, it was simply a function of available resources. Exceptional levels of resource have been poured into covid vaccine development and decisions that might have sat in a queue for deliberation and investment decision months down the line have been pushed to the top of the in-tray.

There is nothing about the way this vaccine works that gives reason to think that serious side effects will appear after an extended period. On the other hand, after the time we’ve just had, we can absolutely quantify the loss of life and economic damage caused by spending 5 years pursuing further trial data.

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Then why are there so many health professionals refusing it?
reported earlier on the news 150,000 nhs workers not vaccinated and i think it was 15,000 care home workers