Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36188828)

Clearly not enough, as there have been something 50 towns/cities implicated.

There needs to be an over arching national enquiry that covers everything, especially the culture that enabled it to continue.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36188838)

What exactly did you find insufficient about the 7 year long inquiry that included 15 investigations and produced 19 reports, and which of the recommendations do you disagree with?

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36188831)

This is a superb, excoriating piece of commentary on how the ‘New Left’ has driven many of the ‘Old Left’ (a.k.a. Working class Britons) into the arms of the Far Right. It’s by Kevin McKenna, a columnist in the Herald, which is a Scottish newspaper so one or two of his examples are from a Scottish perspective, but it takes in plenty of UK-wide issues and frankly IMHO is a must-read.




Paywall-dodging archive link:

https://archive.is/2025.01.07-084141...t-wing-rabble/

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36188839)

That report lumped the Islamic Child Rape gangs in with other scandals such as the church, and Westminster, and a host of other issues (all valid btw) but to suggest it was a 7 year enquiry into Child Rape gangs is incorrect.

In regards to Islamic Child Rape Gangs which they call:


the recommendations they proposed were:



Notice anything missing from the above?

It doesn't focus on why it is predominantly men of Pakistani heritage, why they do it, why culturally they think it's ok to do to white girls and they don't really think they're doing any thing wrong.

Islamic is only used once in the report.

Muslim is only used when referring to the Muslim Council of Britain, or when talking about a young muslim boy that was abused (nothing to do with the Rape gangs)

Asian is mainly used when referring to the demographic of the respondents to the report.

In regards to the rape gangs it is a wholly inadequate report.

That is what I find insufficient.

In regards the specific report produced on "Child sexual exploitation by organised networks investigation"

It too fails to look at the culture of the rape gangs.

The reports focus on the safe guarding failures and hardly touches on the perpetrators.

What do you think exactly are the recommendations in the report that will get to the heart of the rape gangs and address the cultural entitlement Pakistani men in these communities feel they have to rape young white girls with impunity?

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36188843)

Islam might be a red herring, it might be more cultural than religious, there's a rape in India every 5 minutes apparently and in both India and Pakistan conviction is hard to obtain plus I remember Imran Khan victim blaming for what was called Pakistans rape epidemic a few years back by saying women weren't wearing enough clothes, no wonder I've seen the term rape culture in regard to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh if that's their leaders public attitude towards the crime

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36188861)

The problem is thick people very easily conflate Islam with Pakistani/Indian individuals and those is similar Asian descent.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36188843)

Islam might be a red herring, it might be more cultural than religious, there's a rape in India every 5 minutes apparently and in both India and Pakistan conviction is hard to obtain plus I remember Imran Khan victim blaming for what was called Pakistans rape epidemic a few years back by saying women weren't wearing enough clothes, no wonder I've seen the term rape culture in regard to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh if that's their leaders public attitude towards the crime

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36188841)

A very cartoon-like click bait article aimed to stir the populist rhetoric. He drones on about the "new left" without being specific and then goes on and on, using excessive hyperbole, about everything has been ruined by these mysterious people. The man just wants attention, he has no ability to discern detail or nuance, just extreme positions.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36188865)

He made you think you might be ‘New Left’ then … ?

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36188863)

They do and for others it suits an agenda, in the same way criticism of Israel and their government equates to antisemitism. One thing I am quite sure off is that if Stephen Yaxley- Lennon has the answers, the question wasn't worth asking.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36188879)

That’ll be a ‘yes’ then …

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36188880)

I have answered your question. You continue to troll if you wish ...

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36188883)

You have indeed, but not in the way you think. You’ve actually rather neatly proved the point that lies behind McKenna’s opinion piece.

Yes, it is an opinion piece. Of course it adopts a certain grand polemical style. It stands in a grand British Press tradition of using this literary form to call out hypocrisy and misbehaviour. The point is, as an intelligent reader, you’re supposed to price that in and then engage with the underlying argument. And tellingly, you refused (or are unable) to do so. Ironic, given that the point you are perhaps wilfully missing is that the ‘New Left’ is characterised by an abandonment of intellectual curiosity and a refusal to engage in debate, substituting instead diktat vis a vis acceptable opinions and public behaviour.

I don’t know where you think McKenna is coming from here, but do bear in mind that Scottish public discourse is traditionally ‘Old Left’ to borrow his phrase, and at present that is rubbing hard up against the ‘New Left’ project championed in recent years by the SNP and, while in coalition, the Greens. The fault line has a particular flavour north of the border, but his analysis holds true across the UK. When the (so-called) enlightened, metropolitan left lectures the traditional working class left on how to behave and what to think, it drives votes to the BNP, UKIP, Reform, whoever. McKenna is not a shill for any of these causes by any means.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36188884)

Whatever dude. You can rationalise it anyway that makes you happy. The piece was written by an idiot and if you want to see it as the Emperor's New Clothes then please go ahead. If you also want to climb a high pulpit and preach on how only the enlightened can see through the polemic and digest the real majesty of the argument then, again, please go ahead. However, you do run the risk as coming across a bit pompous & patronising.