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I managed to order lateral flow test late last night approx 10:30

As long as you don't get paranoid about testing yourselves;)

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36105608)

As long as you don't get paranoid about testing yourselves;)

As long as you don't get paranoid about not testing yourselves ;)

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36105553)

What anybody decides about their own health is OK. As long as they don't affect anyone else.

No vaccine then no holiday, pub, restaurant, cinema etc. It would be a fair enough rule imo, and the way its going. Their choice, and our choice. Each to their own.

Sick of reading misinformation and crap posted like this - if you have ALL the vaccines, you CAN still pass it on, it is a medical and scientific fact, I don't want to see comebacks of, well the vaccine helps to stop transmission, or it lowers the chances of it being passed on, Utter nonsense!- no it does not in any significant way, you can still get covid, vaccine or no vaccine, so this bullshit about the unvaccinated being the risk and we need to curb their freedoms, it is nothing but pure fanciful authoritarian bullshit.

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Scots urged to limit socialising to three households

People in Scotland have been asked to limit socialising to three households at a time in the run-up to Christmas amid concerns over the Omicron variant.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said the advice would not apply on Christmas Day and that plans should not be cancelled.

But she said people should reduce their social contacts with other households "as far as possible".

Shops and hospitality venues will also be told to bring back physical distancing and screens.

Ms Sturgeon said that Scotland is facing a "likely tsunami" of new infections of Covid-19 in the weeks ahead, with a "very significant" impact on health services.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59655829

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36105612)

Not nonsense at all old chap. This is still pretty hot off the presses but vaccination clearly does reduce transmission in a significant way.

This is the killer table showing the risk on transmission if vaccinated and the risk of infection if vaccinated;

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2021/12/3.gif

Best case, if you are vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine, you reduce the risk of transmission by 70% (that is with the Alpha variant, it's 50% with Delta)

Vaccines seem to speed up virus clearance - it looks like the amount of virus in a vaccinated and unvaccinated infected person is the same at their peaks but vaccinated people clear the virus quicker. Basically, they are not infectious as long as unvaccinated.

So, to turn it around, unvaccinated people are more likely to infect others. Plus of course, there's the whole hospitalisation and death thing that vaccines handily protect you from

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36105629)

Here's another article that backs you up:

How much less likely are you to spread covid-19 if you're vaccinated?

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People who are fully vaccinated against covid-19 are far less likely to infect others, despite the arrival of the delta variant, several studies show. The findings refute the idea, which has become common in some circles, that vaccines no longer do much to prevent the spread of the coronavirus.

“They absolutely do reduce transmission,” says Christopher Byron Brooke at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. “Vaccinated people do transmit the virus in some cases, but the data are super crystal-clear that the risk of transmission for a vaccinated individual is much, much lower than for an unvaccinated individual.”

A recent study found that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant are 63 per cent less likely to infect people who are unvaccinated.

This is only slightly lower than with the alpha variant, says Brechje de Gier at the National Institute for Public Health and the Environment in the Netherlands, who led the study. Her team had previously found that vaccinated people infected with alpha were 73 per cent less likely to infect unvaccinated people.

What is important to realise, de Gier says, is that the full effect of vaccines on reducing transmission is even higher than 63 per cent, because most vaccinated people don’t become infected in the first place.

One would wonder if vaccinated people are also more likely to follow other guidelines and so reduce transmission by other mechanisms.

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36105629)

More nonsense & claptrap. I’m sticking to vaccines do not stop transmission. Utter rubbish it stops transmission by 70%. That table is incorrect.

At the end of the day, you’re vaccinated so if you feel so damn safe, then your apparent risk is small from either unvaccinated or vaccinated persons because being either, does not stop you catching Covid. Stop going on about stupid percentages and misinformation, it is a correct fact that being vaccinated does not stop transmission, there is no sugar coating it with irrelevant and fabricated data.

There were, at one time in the not so distance past, quite a few stories/reports of hospital beds being taken by 'double jabbed' Covid patients . . . I wonder if they were on normal wards due the the reduced risk of transmission? :D

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36105635)

One would wonder if vaccinated people are also more likely to follow other guidelines and so reduce transmission by other mechanisms.

I wonder if they carry other diseases, I've heard they live like animals and eat babies.

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36105638)

Yet you have disgraceful liberal lefties on here, being discriminatory on health grounds by calling for freedoms to be curbed, but they’re basing their fears on fabricated and irrelevant data, they will sleep walk in to catching Covid thinking they are safe from catching it from other vaccinated persons. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36105642)

Liberals by definition are against things like vaccination passports.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36105644)

Liberals by definition are against things like vaccination passports.

To be fair, I guess the chances of catching Covid are slim while hugging a tree or gluing your head to the road ;)

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36105644)

Liberals by definition are against things like vaccination passports.

Are you sure?

Your so called liberal buddies, 99Balloons, sorry Ianch99 and Mr K, calling for the unvaccinated to lose their freedoms. This is discriminatory on health grounds and absolutely not liberal in the slightest.