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Citation please.

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He won't be able to find one.

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Parliament will be given a vote on the deal it seems....

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no it isn't

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Pleased to oblige.

1. "Technically therefore, the quickest we would be able to get a deal is by 2019, but it is very unlikely to be that quick, not least because the deal the UK ends up doing with the EU would have an impact on the deal it gets with the US."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38639638

2. With other countries reluctant to get involved in detailed discussions until Britain's future ties with the European Union are clear, and a lack of negotiators in London ready to begin talks, any firm deals could be years away."
"Nobody with any sense from China, the U.S., Brazil or wherever is going to engage with the UK other than a friendly drink in the bar until the UK has a regime with the EU," retired British trade negotiator Roderick Abbott told Reuters.

"That gives them the yardstick against which you negotiate," said Abbott, who during his more than 40-year career worked on trade for the British government, the European Commission and the World Trade Organisation (WTO).
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKCN11D1CR

3. May and her team strike an optimistic tone, highlighting nations which have said they are keen to do deals. But behind the scenes, countries are pragmatic.

A senior diplomat from a developed country with which Britain has suggested negotiating a deal said the EU was a more important partner, so any deal with Britain would depend on how it affected his country's trade with the EU.

"They want to talk to us. We're always happy to talk trade. But frankly there isn't much we can seriously talk about in detail, which is really what trade deals are all about, until we know what their relationship will be with the EU," he said, on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the subject.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKCN11D1CR

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Citation please.

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So far:

• There will be a vote on the agreemeent
• We will leave single market
• A new deal might retain some elements of the single market, maybe including contributions
• Leaving Customs Union - kind of. Not clear.
• Staying in the common travel area 'a priority'
• Government implementing price controls on Freddo bars to keep them at 10p

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:rofl:

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Margaret Thatcher's speech on the single market, 1988

"It's your job, the job of business, to gear yourselves up to take the opportunities which a single market of nearly 320 million people will offer.

Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers—visible or invisible—giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the world's wealthiest and most prosperous people.

Bigger than Japan. Bigger than the United States. On your doorstep. And with the Channel Tunnel to give you direct access to it.

It's not a dream. It's not a vision. It's not some bureaucrat's plan. It's for real."

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Your "FACT" ends up being based on nothing more than opinion.

Try again to find it factually. It should keep you occupied for a long time.

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Brilliant Mrs May.What's that noise i hear,tiny Tim Farron from the inconsequential libdems crying foul.Lets get on with it.

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I guess it's easier just to say that than to try and find countering evidence to mine which unsurprisingly you have been unable to do but doubtless not through want of trying.

I've given you three separate sources who have all backed up my statement, including one from retired British trade negotiator Roderick Abbott who during his more than 40-year career worked on trade for the British government, the European Commission and the World Trade Organisation (WTO).

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When I used to be a CB'er we had a term for those who transmitted rubbish but could be ignored and spoken over: "The wally in the back of the box" :D

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Oh, happy day. Brexit really does mean Brexit. Excellent. :tu:

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It hasn't turned out quite like that though, has it. It may be a single market but it is nothing like a free one. It is regulated left right and centre, in a way that favours big business and imposes onerous costs on small ones. And the whole rotten edifice is overseen by the ECJ, which has proved quite ready to define its own remit extremely broadly.

The single market as seen from 2017 is an utterly different beast than was apparent in 1988 and I am very glad that we are not going to try to remain members of it.

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Good list. I'm pleased that Therese May has finally clarified most of the UK's positions.
It was interesting to see her repeating the threat that Philip Hammond had made to try and turn the UK into a tax haven if the EU's position didn't meet her expectations and this was picked up by the journalist from El Pais who asked her if it was Britain's weapon in negotiations. I'm not sure of the benefit of her mentioning this; is she trying to sound strong?

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It's a warning shot across the bows of the EU supertanker. A little bit of gunboat diplomacy.:D

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I kind of thought that she and Philip Hammond were previously playing good cop, bad cop. By having Philip Hammond seen as more pro-EU than Therese May making the threats last week was quite a clever move.
Her repeating them today was less effective. Did she want the press to focus on these threats, ie a dead cat trick? Or was she dazzled by the attention of the Brexit press and decided to play up to them?

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The pound is having a great day. Not sure but this might be the best day since the referendum.

Also it's clear that she hasn't 'given her cards' away. This hasn't damaged anything and given more clarity to the markets. Should have done this sooner and not messed around with childish comparisons to a poker game.

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Nicola Sturgeon said back in October there would be another referendum if the UK left the single market.
Will be interesting to see her reaction.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7515551.html

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Totally agree and it's what I've wanted to know for months.
Only the naive believed her poker game comparisons, the rest of us realised that she hadn't agreed the Government's position internally hence the delay.

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That's an article by Jonty Bloom, as I understand it he doesn't work any foreign government

Again no quote from any other government official.


a no name diplomat from a no name country.
Certainly.....I said it.

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Mike Hawes, SMMT chief executive, has understandably picked up on this ambiguity to push his industry's case.
"We need government to deliver a deal which includes participation in the customs union to help safeguard EU trade, trade that is tariff-free and avoids the non-tariff and regulatory barriers that would jeopardise investment, growth and consumer choice.
Achieving this will not be easy and we must, at all costs, avoid a cliff-edge and reversion to WTO tariffs, which would threaten the viability of the industry."

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Far easier to knock citations than to find counter evidence.

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There is no counter evidence, for the same reason you can't provide any evidence and that's because no official from any government has said anything.

All there is are opinions from talking heads that won't be involved in any such deals.

So until there are any direct quote from government officials that we want to do deals with, keep the opinions filed under " non-factual"

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She can say whatever she wants, the reality is (and the scots hate me for saying it but...) until she gets permission from the Prime Minister she can squawk and bitch all she want's, it won't mean diddly squat, it's just noises off.

Other EU countries have already made it quite clear that she can't let Scotland just 'take over' where the UK left off and she's have to apply like any new EU member.

So all in all, what she say's is pretty much meaningless and empty.

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Trade deals are already being unofficially talked about now and some will be ready to go the day we are finally out. I said before there was no way for us to remain in the single market as the process for leaving the EU gaurantees your out of it if you leave the EU there was never any chance of us remaining in it. Defy the will of people really how so the majority voted out and out it is must be a new meaning to the phrase where the minority are the will of the people. Our position is a lot clearer today whilst highlighting the main areas we will be negotiating about and the economic response so far has been pretty positive.

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Do not listen to the poisoned dwarf's gurning.That woman is an embarassment to scotland.The old saying"above her station" has never been more fitting and i'm scottish.She has this grandiose idea that she will be sitting between merkel and hollande at the top table as power brokers and they will be transfixed on her every word.She knows she will not win another referendum in the forseeable future and is just blowing smoke.If she does call one and loses again she is history.

A Global Britain
 

The promptly closed "other thread on Brexit" was intended as an outlet for contributors who might want to discuss the positive aspect of developments in an adult fashion.

As it is we're stuck with this thread of constant remoan bleating. And, boy, do they have moaning down to an art form. Either that or they are as thick as two short planks. Or both.

Oh well, fighting fire with fire will be fun :D

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the klingons always fight to the death even when the cause is lost .:rolleyes:

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Good grief don't you ever stop insulting those who did not vote for Brexit? as most reasoned rational adults can debate in a rational adult conversation without throwing insults and brickbats all the time at each other unless you think otherwise?..:)

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It's life Jim, but not as we know it :D
Too subtle for you to grasp eh Den? The post is written in a manner that shows the pointlessness of persistent remoan bleating for bleating's sake and the kind of response it engenders. :monkey:

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As a anti-tory,

Way to go May, this is the Brexit we need.

Can you see Germany NOT come running to sell us their cars.

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we are a massive market for Germany ,they will want to carry on selling us cars

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And the French producing the Airbus without wings?

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Or engines?

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In fairness engines are easier to replace from a different producer. They would end up with an inferior product though.

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Most, probably all, Airbus aircraft can be specified with GE engines rather than Rolls Royce.

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Correct. They can't do that with wings though, that takes time and investment of a few million. Production would have to be halted for a couple of years while they got someone else to tool up for it, settle contracts etc.

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How many wings do we make? Tariffs aren't a big deal unless you're doing it in bulk. A 3% at most is not much for a few items, even if those items are expensive, it's the mass import of parts that can be the problem. 3% soon adds up.

I think the traditional movement of goods will be easily arranged anyway. It's services that will be the big sticking point.

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Nailed it.
The common market of 500m consumers helped countries to specialise in what they're good at. For the UK, that's the service industry which serves the whole of the EU. Hence why Theresa May is open to a transitional arrangement so that service sector companies can reduce their operations in the UK and grow them in the EU27...over time, not over night. Such arrangements will be of benefit to both the UK and the EU27.

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I'm sorry it was closed but the site administrators received too many complaints that people had blank screens when they opened that thread. :D

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Over 1000 wings per year, that's only a "few" aircraft though.

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Two per plane I think :monkey:

I see your point. In the 90 minutes or so of its live existence you could have filled in the blanks with reams of your endless tripe :D

Ah well, I can enjoy your continuing efforts here to save face :monkey:.

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The french and the germans have been trying to lure company's out of the city of london for a longtime it's not a new thing because we voted to leave the EU. The sticking point has always been the infrastructure to operate at the level london does both the french and german governments believe the bulk of the infrastructure cost be on the companys that will benefit from it and those companys want it in place beforehand. I'm not overly concerned at this point of a mass evacuation from london to the continent or even within the next ten years or so although I'm sure some operations may move to the continent but the bulk will continue within london.

How anyone can have read the leaving process and thought for one second we could maintain access to the single market is beyond me it's made very clear that leaving the EU means out of the single market but so many remain supporters seemed to think there was going to be a magical deal. Only way they could think that is either 1, they haven't actually read the whole thing or 2, read and completely misinterpreted the meaning of the process either way I won't be taking details from them as fact anytime soon.

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it's because they didn't understand what the vote was about .

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My thoughts are that tariffs imposed are at the discretion of the imposer so we don't have to put tariffs on imports from the EU, likewise they don't have to put tariffs on our goods. So while access isn't as easy or "free" from outside deals can still be struck, likewise with other trade partners.

The UK can also decide duty levels, visa/travel arrangements between ourselves and the EU just as we can with other nations. Again not automatic or as free and easy.

What we do have more freedom on is not having to always follow EU diktats on such matters. If the EU wants to impose higher duty on imports from certain countries and we don't we are free not too (this could already be there I don't know).

What I think will be interesting is do we have to deal with the EU as a whole or can we work with individual countries within the EU. This will be the fun side of things, especially with some of the other members who are less happy with the EU.

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No country outside of the EU can deal with only one member state. Any deals must be with the EU as a whole.

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Let's hope every vehicle maker can be given the reassurances they require and not just Nissan. It looks like greater efficiency and productivity will be needed in order to compensate for the effects of Brexit.

Toyota warns of Brexit damage to UK operations

Leaving the European single market and customs union will damage the competitiveness of the UK operations of Toyota, the company’s chairman said on Wednesday, deepening the uncertainty facing its British workforce.

Takeshi Uchiyamada told the Financial Times at the World Economic Forum in Davos that while he still hoped for a bright future for Toyota’s operations in Britain, the plants needed to become more competitive if they were to survive the damage from Theresa May’s plans for a hard Brexit.

The warning from one of the world’s largest carmakers comes just 24 hours after the prime minister set out principles that include leaving the single market and the customs union and negotiating future ties and access.
Subscribers can access via https://www.ft.com/content/24ccc368-...c-be108f1c1dce and anyone can read by googling the headline.

It doesn't appear to be related to Brexit, but Toyota is now reducing agency staff at its Derbyshire plant. http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/toyota-c...ail/story.html

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Yes, and let's include VW, Mercedes, BMW, Fiat, Renault, Citroen etc.

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I don't think we can make any promises to companies who don't manufacture in the UK so your list would just be VW and BMW.

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As usual you miss the point. Just carry on being a remoaner and don't look at the world outside of the EU.

Trade deals affect more than UK companies, that is how a deal is struck, to the benefit of both parties.

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you should set yourself the task of posting something positive about your country and let go of the EU .

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I'm not sure you read my post. It's not a negative one and I've even gone so far as to say that recent Toyota job losses are not related to Brexit.
This is not about letting go of the EU, I've stated many a time that we're all leavers now. Finally, Therese May has informed us of her plans without giving away her negotiating strategy...which no one asked her to.
This is about Theresa May's promise to Nissan and how it should be made to other UK vehicle manufacturers as well to safeguard British jobs. Which I'm sure you'll agree is no bad thing.

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Less of the provocative name-calling please. I'm not moaning.
I agree with you about how trade deals are struck but I'm unsure of its relevance here when I was stating that all UK vehicle manufacturers should be treated the same as Nissan.

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With the supreme court ruling on Tuesday i'm wondering if the problems in NI are going to delay invoking A50 assuming the supreme court rules against the government

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It's going to be pretty tight if the election's on the 2nd March and the UK Government wants to hand in notice by 25th March. But I'm not sure Theresa May sees the election as an issue.

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I've had a nightmare 2 days at work.

So cheering myself by winding up bremoaners ob facebook.

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Crying shame we did not sort out our car industry years ago.

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Our car industry was broken many years ago.

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The way I see it the Germans, French & Spanish won't raise their prizes too high as we won't buy them.

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Yes we will .We will bitch and moan but we will still buy them ,not much choice really until we start making our own

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You may bitch and moan but you don't speak for everyone or even the majority that voted.

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do you want to check that lousy attitude of yours

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Lots of other countries outside of the EU make cars, as good as German cars.

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So what ? look around you what cars do you see on the road and then ask yourself if you are prepared to give up your beema or merc .Like i said people will bitch and moan about the price increases but they will still buy them as they always have done

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Cars from America or Japan will rise in price as well purely because the pound has fallen quite a bit. As I understand it the bigger problems come from mass movement of materials rather than the end price of an item sold direct to a consumer.

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Given May has clearly had to demonstrated that the Parliamentary majority is there for issuing Article 50, that she gave her speech confirming some details this week and is even going to Parliament on the deal itself (which will also largely be symbolic as there is little chance of rejection there) then the court case seems much less important now. It's served it's purpose in getting some clarity from the Government and involving Parliament.

What problems in NI are you referring too? The border or the courts?

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It's possible that they will absorb some of the increased costs, it depends on how competitive the market is. For its App store, Apple recently increased prices by 25% but not all companies will be able to push through such increases.
If the UK was able to sign a free trade deal with say a country like South Africa or Malaysia, it's possible that the UK could be supplied by those countries instead. Multinationals like GM and BMW have a bit of flexibility here.
I guess another issue is how price-sensitive buyers or leasers are. Corporate buyers may be more reluctant to take on increased costs when they are already facing other increased costs.

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Well, my German car will be going. It's the British thing to do. A Tesla from our American cousins would be nice. Model 3 out at the end of the year :).

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Cars from outside the EU should get cheaper if we can cut the tariffs on them.:)

I'm loving my Japanese built Mitsubishi. BMW's are for wide boys.

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We, like every other country in the EU has the ability to veto tariff changes. Last year, the EU wanted to put a huge anti-dumping tariff on chinese steel to protect the EU steel industry. The UK vetoed it - they sold the british steel industry out to cosy up to the chinese. A much lower tariff was eventually agreed upon but it was too little, too late.

On negotiating with individual countries, it depends on what aspects - trade, no chance, the EU is a single market

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maybe, maybe not. individual purchasers may. I know if the price of German cars increased (I currently have Audi) I would look at alternatives, you'd be daft not to.

But it's not the individual purchasers that are the issue, it's the fleet buyers, that work for large businesses, and they work to a budget, not prestige.

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That affects cars from the continent too.

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Based on?


I really don't understand the attitude between drivers of different cars. I'm just as happy driving SWMBO's Juke as I am driving my big german car.


Would much rather be on my R1/Speed Triple however.

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Stereotypes. :D

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You and me both. My Audi just doesn't perform like my old Z1900 or CB1000R but I fell off and it hurt.

Ride safe mate.

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Don't forget that cars need parts... the price for these will probably rise as well.

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No major surprise here, there's lots of work to do.

Brexit: Philip Hammond warns deal 'will take years'

Chancellor Philip Hammond has warned the process of exiting the EU is likely to last long beyond the two-year time frame stipulated by law.
He said the UK's exit was not just about negotiating a free trade deal, and could involve talks on migration policy and interim arrangements.
"There will be many transitions involved… these will take many years."
The government has said it will trigger Article 50 - the formal process of leaving the EU - by the end of March. After that, it will officially have two years to complete the process.
Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Mr Hammond said the government was still on track to meet this "rigid timeframe", adding that by the end of March 2019 he expected to "at least" have agreement on the "broad principles of the end state that will exist".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38688786

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I don't think his Brexit scenario is likely but we do know that people will get squeezed financially this year as the weaker currency pushes up prices. It will be interesting to gauge Brexit support when the penny follows the pound and drops.

George Soros: Donald Trump 'will fail' and Theresa May's Brexit could 'last three days'

“In my opinion, it is unlikely that Prime Minister May is actually going to remain in power. Already she has a very divided cabinet, a very small majority in Parliament. And I think she will not last,” said Mr Soros, who was nicknamed The Man Who Broke the Bank of England because of his $10bn (£8.1bn) short sale of sterling in 1992.
“At the moment the people in the UK are in denial.
"The current economic situation is not as bad as was predicted and they live in hope. But as the currency depreciates, and inflation will be the driving force, this will lead to declining living standards.
“This is going to take some time, but when it does happen they’ll realise that they are earning less than before because wages won’t rise as fast as the cost of living.
“The divorce is going to take a very long time. It’s much harder to divorce than to get married, so I think the desire for rapprochement will develop, and in theory or maybe even in practice you could have a situation in 2019 or 2020 when Britain will leave the EU, because it does have to take place, but they could leave on a Friday but join over the weekend and have the new arrangement in place on Monday morning.”

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A nice bit of reality to those who think things can be done quickly..

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I don't care how long it takes (within reason), I just wish we'd get on with it! :(

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If one is doing something we must do it properly as a rushed botched job is often a job one has to go back to..

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For me, that simply illustrates one of the fallacies at the heart of the remain argument, which was that the EU was still a union of sovereign states and it was false to claim British sovereignty was being impinged.

In matters of international law there is a difference between de jure and de facto. The former is the technical, legally correct position. The latter is what, practically, exists on the ground. They may not be the same, and reconciling the two may be difficult or impossible to achieve.

The UK is de jure an independent sovereign nation state, however the tangled web of treaties that form the EU have for some years meant that that the de facto situation is quite different. Our "sovereign" parliament has bound itself and its successors in so many different ways that it beggars belief.

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If you follow this argument, does the UK's membership of NATO means it's not a sovereign state? (I'm not stating that your argument is wrong, though.)

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Treaties do not de jure make a state non-sovereign. An individual treaty may be signed and then binned as required, and would not create a de facto end to a state's sovereignty. What has concerned me is the point at which that changes: at what point our membership of an organisation based on multiple complex treaties, some of which grant legislative competence and judicial oversight to supra-national bodies, means that whatever the strict legal definition of sovereignty may be, the practical exercise of it is fundamentally impinged.

Personally, I think Maastricht set us on that trajectory and only our exemptions from the single currency and the Schengen zone have allowed us this opportunity to back out of the project, difficult though it may be.

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I've been lucky enough to avoid it, so far, but statistically it will happen at some point...

Thanks & you too

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Positve news although the devil's in the detail

Schäuble says post-Brexit trade deal with UK can be done quickly
Germany’s finance minister has signalled a willingness to reach a quick deal on trade with Britain, giving hope to the UK government that Brexit negotiations with the EU can be constructive and successful.
Speaking at the World Economic Forum on Friday, Wolfgang Schäuble held out the olive branch but also stuck to his view that leaving the EU would damage the British economy, adding that threats to turn the UK into a version of Singapore with low taxes was beneath a great nation.
Subscriber link https://www.ft.com/content/d2fa5938-...c-f253db7791c6 or Google the headline

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Supreme Court rules against Government. Article 50 invocation has to be done by Parliament.

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8-3 ruling for the above.

The UK Government will be pleased by the unanimous ruling that the governments of NI, Wales and Scotland do not need to be asked as EU relations are a matter for the UK Government.
http://news.sky.com/story/live-pm-mu...rexit-10740738

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Now we'll see if the remoaners in parliament try to thwart the will of the people and force an EU lite deal on us. :(

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That'll put Sturgeon's nose out of joint. A few less stumbling blocks at least. :)

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I see another pointless person by the name of farron is DEMANDING things....

Go do one you waste of space, you have no power or authority.

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The SNP are probably the biggest losers today followed by the more extreme Brexiters who favour a more dictatorial approach to Article 50. Theresa May won't be too unhappy today.

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This changes nothing.

It just means that the government have to produce a bill to trigger Article 50.

There has already been a vote parliament a few weeks ago where it was agreed that MPs will not vote against triggering of Article 50.

So as long as the MPs do not go back on that vote then Article 50 will be triggered by the end of March as planned.

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The problem with a bill is that although it will go through, cleverstick remoaners will try to tack on amendments that may restrict our freedom on bargaining.

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Good to see Justice prevailing ;)

At least this whole crazy process will now be open to scrutiny from our elected representatives. Always be wary of Governments trying to rush things through, it's usually for the worse. Can't see why Mother Theresa's 'timetable' is so sacrosanct anyway; political considerations like when the next election is shouldn't come into it , better to get it right if we have to do it.

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It had nothing to do with Justice, it was merely a legal point.

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......and she doesn't want brexit to happen :rolleyes:

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Yes open to scrutiny by the same elected representatives that didn't want anything to do with this and palmed it off onto the public and then were unhappy when we didn't vote how we were supposed too. Personally these days the less our divided self serving elected representatives have to do with anything the better it's likely to turn out we can now enjoy the spectacle of posturing and tough talking till things get done great result.

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But that is no big deal as we all know its going to happen RR.

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Spot on. The vote has already been rehearsed (and 'won') and the devolved governments excluded as a bonus. A good day for the UK Government.

A one sentence Bill and Miss Miller can return to obscurity and the other fella can get back to cut and blow jobs.

We all happy :D.

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Not so easy.

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The fact that it's been demonstrated that we need parliment to do this isn't really naffing me off (as long as parliment does do it ;) )
What naffs me off is:
1) that some/many leave voters are suddenly so interested in parlimentary sovereignty whilst saying/fibbing "of course we agree that brexit should happen"
......whilst keeping their fingers crossed that it won't happen now that it has to be put to parliment.
2) many leave bigwigs are trying to convince us that all this is necessary because we "didn't really know what we were voting for".....when they were the ones who repeatedly told us exactly what would happen if we voted leave. :rolleyes:

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I agree with a lot of what you say about those dastardly leave voters. Whether you meant to say this or not is an entirely different matter. ;) Kursk agreeing with my earlier post and now me agreeing with a lot of your post, we must all have entered an alternative universe. :)

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'Straightforward' Brexit bill to be published on Thursday, says Davis
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ys-david-davis

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We have discussed at length, negotiated even, and with mutual regard for the future of our Country, we are finding common ground.

It is as it should be :).

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Lets bring trump in he'll sort the mess out

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He probably would!

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More immigrants after our free health service. ;)

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MP's want a white paper fully outlining the governments negotiating plan yes because things won't be hard enough without one of our great elected representatives leaking the details to the EU. The fun and games are already starting and by the time they have finished our position will be worse then if the talking heads had just left it alone as they always wanted to when they assumed the UK public would vote to remain.