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Damien 24-06-2016 18:23
Re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35845282)
It's interesting to see how many of those who like to bang on about democracy just can't deal with it when it results in them not getting their way. Pity eh...
Leave were talking of a 2nd referendum if they lost...

Big Brian 24-06-2016 18:25
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35845282)
It's interesting to see how many of those who like to bang on about democracy just can't deal with it when it results in them not getting their way. Pity eh...
Indeed. But I know how they feel. I felt gutted when Scotland didn't get independence and it took me a while to accept and respect the result. Eventually I did and the rest, as they say, is history.

RBMark 24-06-2016 18:25
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35845284)
Leave were talking of a 2nd referendum if they lost...
An it was ruled out , infact remain even said if the referendum is won by only 1 vote then it will stand and there will be NO! Second chance.

Big Brian 24-06-2016 18:26
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35845284)
Leave were talking of a 2nd referendum if they lost...
No. Nigel Ferage was asked about a second referendum if he lost as that story had been bandied about. I don't think he actually answered it directly but there again nothing new for a Politician is it.

Osem 24-06-2016 18:26
Re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 
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Originally Posted by mart44 (Post 35845274)
I don't believe it was selfish for the over 50's to vote 'leave'. I think most have listened to all the debates and have indeed thought about future generations. Coming out might well turn out to have been the best thing to do for their children and grandchildren, even though they might at present get censured for doing what they feel has been right.

I saw a message put that, if unsure, a leave vote could be deferred for future years. However, the vote done now is permanent. This is true but in what state would more years of staying the EU in have seen the country? If it is thought that the EU is bad for our country, a few more years of membership may have seen it even worse ..and nothing can be reversed once done. This being the case, leaving sooner rather than later will have been the right thing to do for future generations, albeit that the action may not be currently appreciated by the young.

The trouble now is that just about all the ills that our country suffers in the future will be put down to leaving the EU when, in fact, we will just never know how our fortunes would have turned out if we had remained.
Yes it's a very cynical view of older people that they'd, en masse, knowingly vote in a manner which they knew would be against the best interests of their children and grandchildren. I know I didn't.

Julian 24-06-2016 18:29
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How will we know when the predicted WW3 has started?

Will it be when we are invaded by another country like Romania or Poland... oh wait...

Big Brian 24-06-2016 18:29
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35845289)
Yes it's a very cynical view of older people that they'd, en masse, knowingly vote in a manner which they knew would be against the best interests of their children and grandchildren. I know I didn't.
And, of course, the experience of the EU. We watched it change from a Common Market to a Political Union and possibly eventually a United States of Europe.

denphone 24-06-2016 18:32
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l agree as what has happened has happened Osem and one has to get on with it but sadly some on this forum still don't want to behave like grown adults as they still seem to be throwing childish remarks at each other sadly on another thread.:rolleyes:

TheDaddy 24-06-2016 18:33
Re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35845016)
Expect plenty of sour loser posts. :D

I'll try not to gloat.;)
I wouldn't expect any, not from any poster that actually cares about democracy as a concept

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35845124)
If that deal includes free movement of people and paying into the EU, which it will do......then what was the point?

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Did your IQ suddenly drop sharply.

If we want access to the single market we will have to accept free movement of people, pay into Europe and accept all the rules regulations and bureaucracy.

So what was the point.
Indeed what was the point, ten years ago I'd have been out there actually campaigning but not now.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35845029)
so not interested in our democracy and or our decision .

a classic example of a dave lie he promised to trigger article 50 immediately if we voted leave .

don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out .
I prefer to look at it on the bright side and conclude it's the noblest thing he's ever done

Osem 24-06-2016 18:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35845284)
Leave were talking of a 2nd referendum if they lost...
Well I wasn't referring to Leave or Remain for that matter. I was referring to the usual suspects here but there are plenty of politicians who're just as bad.

We're all painfully aware that both official sides of the debate handled things pretty badly and said things which were unwise, untrue and unwelcome. Especially sad after all those fine sounding words issued after Jo Cox's death. I didn't imagine the new spirit of good will would last long...

heero_yuy 24-06-2016 18:33
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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35845291)
How will we know when the predicted WW3 has started?
Your arse will be in low earth orbit. :D

TheDaddy 24-06-2016 18:33
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Originally Posted by ntluser (Post 35845130)
The interesting question is who will pick up the tab for the UK's missing contribution?

If the EU are determined to keep us out at all costs,EU contributions will have to be increased or spending will have to be reduced or both.
We get a deal like Norway's and it'll be us making up the shortfall

heero_yuy 24-06-2016 18:35
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35845297)
We get a deal like Norway's and it'll be us making up the shortfall
No deal is better than what Norway settled for.

Osem 24-06-2016 18:37
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I wonder if Obama's proud of his intervention and threat to the UK. If he really wanted the UK to stay in, his gamble spectacularly misfired IMHO.

Julian 24-06-2016 18:59
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If some of Farage's comments were seen as unhelpful to the Leave campaign, the sight of the drug crazed bob geldork calling fishermen w**kers and making obscene gestures wasn't Remain's finest hour.

techguyone 24-06-2016 18:59
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Obama's not a shining example of a president, I can't see the history books being kind to him. We should take about as much notice of what America think we should do, as they would of us, if the situation was reserved.

That's right. Zero.

Geldork.. I despair, still not as much as he. He said he doesn't like Mondays, I bet he really hates Friday's now...

Damien 24-06-2016 19:12
Re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35845298)
No deal is better than what Norway settled for.
That theory is going to be tested. Politicians have a mandate to leave the EU but how is now their decision. It will take some courage to risk imposing WTO tariffs on everything to avoid going into the EEA.

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35845299)
I wonder if Obama's proud of his intervention and threat to the UK. If he really wanted the UK to stay in, his gamble spectacularly misfired IMHO.
I don't think it mattered, I don't think Remain's economy arguments cut though at all. As I said a few weeks ago the polling showed most people thought they would do the same or better following a Leave vote.

Pierre 24-06-2016 19:14
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35845243)
I think Scotland voted to stay in the EU by 62% to 38% and are now being forced out by the rest of the UK. Some would say that is undemocratic ..
It's not because Scotland wasn't voting, the U.K. Was.

Hom3r 24-06-2016 19:14
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35844482)
The daftest reasons I've heard today about leaving the EU:

I'll only be able to bring back 200 fags and a litre of booze from my hols.

I like going to Spain for my holidays, we'd have to go to Cyprus instead.

They'd kick us out of Eurovision and the Euro footie!

The kids are learning French in school, what would be they be able to do with it after leaving the EU?

I've got loads of Euros left over from our last trip to Spain!

I heard

My sex, drug alcohol fuel Ibiza holiday will cost more.

My mobile roaming will go up

and those idiots had the nerve to say that anyone over 60 shouldn't have got a vote because they'll be dead soon

Damien 24-06-2016 19:32
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Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35845303)
Obama's not a shining example of a president, I can't see the history books being kind to him. We should take about as much notice of what America think we should do, as they would of us, if the situation was reserved.

That's right. Zero.

Geldork.. I despair, still not as much as he. He said he doesn't like Mondays, I bet he really hates Friday's now...
Pretty sure Obama is going to go down as a decent President, below the top tier but in the tier below, with a good domestic record and a mixed foreign one. Domestically he did very well, better than almost anyone else, with handling the 2008 crisis. The interventions he made, especially in manufacturing, helped their economy recover faster and better than anyone expected. He got Healthcare reform passed which many Presidents had tired to do but failed. The biggest regret will be the 2010 midterms which really limited him from then on in. Still he got a Supreme Court justice passed.

TheDaddy 24-06-2016 19:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35845306)
I heard

My sex, drug alcohol fuel Ibiza holiday will cost more.

My mobile roaming will go up

and those idiots had the nerve to say that anyone over 60 shouldn't have got a vote because they'll be dead soon
75% of people under 24 voted in, their the ones that will have to live with our decision for a lifetime so I wouldn't say they had a nerve they just aired their frustrations badly

Damien 24-06-2016 19:54
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The EU don't seem to want to wait for us to invoke article 50.

RBMark 24-06-2016 20:01
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35845325)
The EU don't seem to want to wait for us to invoke article 50.
Good, once invoked it's irreversible... Rules out a second referendum. They will want to send out a message to any other "member states" thinking about referendum. An also why should the EU be left with the state of instability whilst we decide when we wish to leave. Get the process started!

TheDaddy 24-06-2016 20:04
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Was in tesco this morning, when the cashier asked the foreign couple in front of me if they needed help packing their bags.

Blimey I thought, that started quicker than I expected!

RBMark 24-06-2016 20:04
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35845324)
75% of people under 24 voted in, their the ones that will have to live with our decision for a lifetime so I wouldn't say they had a nerve they just aired their frustrations badly
No 75% of those 18-24 year olds WHO VOTED voted in. Not 75% of all 18-24 year olds. The turn out in the age group is appearing to be very very low!

ianch99 24-06-2016 20:11
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The cowardly sniping reminds me to thank the ignore list.

Let me make this clear: Leave won. Remain lost.

As soon as Leave won, I was one of the first to post congratulations.

However, when it is clear beyond doubt that the Leave campaign lied:

Eight reasons Leave won the UK's referendum on the EU

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2. £350m NHS claim gets traction

The assertion that leaving the EU would free up £350m a week extra to spend on the NHS is the kind of political slogan that campaigns dream of: striking, easy to understand and attractive to voters of different ages and political persuasions.

No surprise then that Vote Leave chose to splash it across the side of their battle bus.
The fact that the claim does not stand up to much scrutiny - the figure is calculated using sums which were disputed by the Treasury Select Committee and described as potentially misleading by the UK Statistics Authority - did not reduce its potency.

Remain campaigner Angela Eagle may have told her opponents to "get that lie off your bus" but polling suggests it gained traction and was the single most remembered figure from the campaign, with many people believing that money handed over to the EU to be a member should be spent in the UK instead.

In that sense, it served as a powerful illustration of how the UK could be better off outside the EU.
What I had hoped for was that someone would do the decent thing and admit so much.

It seems not. I had expected more but I guess if you expect nothing, you won't get disappointed.

I am now going to get very drunk :)

Pierre 24-06-2016 20:14
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35845325)
The EU don't seem to want to wait for us to invoke article 50.
We will ork to our timetable not theirs.

Osem 24-06-2016 20:16
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Originally Posted by RBMark (Post 35845327)
Good, once invoked it's irreversible... Rules out a second referendum. They will want to send out a message to any other "member states" thinking about referendum. An also why should the EU be left with the state of instability whilst we decide when we wish to leave. Get the process started!
It's amazing what a slap in the face does eh? The tectonically slow EU all of a sudden wants to get things done in a hurry. Maybe they should have tried that before the referendum...

Pierre 24-06-2016 20:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35845331)
The cowardly sniping reminds me to thank the ignore list.

Let me make this clear: Leave won. Remain lost.

As soon as Leave won, I was one of the first to post congratulations.

However, when it is clear beyond doubt that the Leave campaign lied:

Eight reasons Leave won the UK's referendum on the EU



What I had hoped for was that someone would do the decent thing and admit so much.

It seems not. I had expected more but I guess if you expect nothing, you won't get disappointed.

I am now going to get very drunk :)
The £350M issue was resolved and corrected way before the end of the debate.

papa smurf 24-06-2016 20:33
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Originally Posted by RBMark (Post 35845329)
No 75% of those 18-24 year olds WHO VOTED voted in. Not 75% of all 18-24 year olds. The turn out in the age group is appearing to be very very low!
its about 34% turn out i think[ if i'm wrong lets not any one go to war over it

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35845336)
It's amazing what a slap in the face does eh? The tectonically slow EU all of a sudden wants to get things done in a hurry. Maybe they should have tried that before the referendum...
maybe they don't want sturgeons followers to get a chance of getting back in :)

techguyone 24-06-2016 20:42
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35845333)
We will ork to our timetable not theirs.
I agree, one should always ork to our time and not ork to theirs. :D

martyh 24-06-2016 20:44
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35845336)
It's amazing what a slap in the face does eh? The tectonically slow EU all of a sudden wants to get things done in a hurry. Maybe they should have tried that before the referendum...
The EU only want Article 50 invoked ASAP so as to give them control,once that is invoked they can then take their sweet time ,even extend the 2 year deadline should they wish

RBMark 24-06-2016 20:55
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35845351)
The EU only want Article 50 invoked ASAP so as to give them control,once that is invoked they can then take their sweet time ,even extend the 2 year deadline should they wish
Nope, if no agreement is reached within the 2 years we will be automatically removed from the EU. We can just leave tomorrow aswell if we want- but that is a nightmare situation no one wants.

martyh 24-06-2016 21:09
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Originally Posted by RBMark (Post 35845355)
Nope, if no agreement is reached within the 2 years we will be automatically removed from the EU. We can just leave tomorrow aswell if we want- but that is a nightmare situation no one wants.
Wrong ,if all states agree the negotiation can be extended beyond the 2 years and why is leaving by not using article 50 a nightmare situation that nobody wants ? Invoking article 50 means that we will still be subject to all EU laws and conduct EU business as normal including handing over money.

Damien 24-06-2016 21:14
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This is a good article: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ty-westminster

Anyone think we should have another thread? I might rename the other one about Article 50 to put all post-Brexit reaction there.

martyh 24-06-2016 21:22
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35845362)
This is a good article: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ty-westminster

Anyone think we should have another thread? I might rename the other one about Article 50 to put all post-Brexit reaction there.
Good idea :tu:

RBMark 24-06-2016 21:26
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35845362)
This is a good article: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ty-westminster

Anyone think we should have another thread? I might rename the other one about Article 50 to put all post-Brexit reaction there.
It's true, if you're rich own a company, like cheap labour to exploit you voted in. If you're not wealthy but getting by on a decent to low wage you vote out!

Hom3r 24-06-2016 21:31
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https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...91&oe=57F13E84

Damien 24-06-2016 21:31
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35845365)
Good idea :tu:
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...it-thread.html

Locked. Move to new thread etc...


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