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Thanks for clarifying that buckeye.

As the police are now claiming to have too little resources to carry out everyday tasks (the smoking in cars with U18's present law has largely been ignored for this very reason), I have an issue with TV Licensing, bailiffs etc effectively using the police as personal bodyguards. I think that they should have to pay for this or the service should be discontinued; after all football clubs have to.

Knowing that public money was not used for this makes me feel better about it, after all the police don't routinely hang around shops hoping to catch thieves, they have to sort out security and Investigations out themselves and so should Sky etc.

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I think that if there is a law on something, it should be enforced.

However, bad laws make for bad decisions. The discussion we are having on this is one reason why, in my opinion, we should make the BBC a subscription service.

The licensing system is old fashioned, outdated, untargeted, and needs to be replaced. Why on Earth should anyone have to pay for a service they don't use? Ridiculous!

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You speak the truth!

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BIB spot on for example Skygo does not have any BBC channels or content so really you should not need a tv licence for it, however tv licencing say you do.
So i'm paying for BBC despite not using the BBC.

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Quite so, although I don't think I would be happy to be without it, so I would certainly subscribe, as I believe the majority of people in this country would.

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Oh don't get me wrong BBC make superb documentarys infact one starts tonight blue planet 2 and i've heard good things about their new drama gunpowder so really it's swings and roundabouts.

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Yes, at the moment they are concentrating on suppliers. But how long before they turn their attention to individuals simply receiving these streams and not sharing?

It could be just a matter of time.

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I think it was proven when they went after torrent end users, they are on a hiding to nothing. That's why they started to target the torrent and streaming sites, in fact that's all they do now.

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‘Lord of the Rings’: Amazon, Warner Bros. in Talks for Series Adaptation.

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/lord...on-1202606519/

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I kinda hope their talks don't amount to anything. I'd rather they did something that we don't already have on film or TV. If they want the LOTR format then the Belgarion books would have been perfect or if they wanted more politics than fantasy in the balance like GoT there are plenty out there such as Jennifer Fallons Wolfblade books.

There are hundreds of fantasy book series out there with big enough followings that are perfect for TV and haven't already been done on screen.

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UHD content is now available on Google play for UK customers. http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/11...lay-movies-uk/

Interesting we had info yesterday that Google are considering having talks with VM to get Google video on the tivo platform.

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Had a nice interesting chat with a customer support member from Hulu today, Hulu are very keen to launch in the UK but at the moment are restricted by the big guns aka SKY, BT but they are looking into launching in the UK by 2020 and are hopeful of securing some content deals.

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That's enlightening, and is very sweet music to my ears. This is exactly the kind of news I've been waiting for. This could reduce the stranglehold Sky have on so much content and will be welcomed by other platforms too.

PS - I think we should break this to Den very gently as he wouldn't be expecting such devastating news. :D

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More good news! It just keeps coming today! Quite unexpected to hear such news so soon. Glad to see that theone plc is a DNP free zone!

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You believe what you want to believe OB but this old boy likes to see before he believes.:)

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In which case, talking about the future with you is a bit of a waste of time! ;) There will be no tomorrow, all things won't pass, the weather will not change....

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Rubbish OB as just remember that old saying in that you cannot run before you can walk and you won't go far wrong.;).

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I'm walkin' :walk:

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Not live sport but Man city have signed a £10million deal with Amazon prime for a behind the scenes tv series.
OBs predictions aren't so daft now are they doubters? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41934307

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It's just the start of those companies getting into sport mate, especially football, they're just testing the water imo, I expect bigger things for live football in the coming years.

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So you agree with OB that all the big sports like football will go over to the Streaming companies MM?

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Not necessarily, Den, but I do think that they will eventually make a bid to show at least some live games.

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Either in the forthcoming bidding round or the next. You'll see.

The most likely contender is Amazon, but that is just my feeling - it would make sense, to my mind.

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Not a chance IMO.

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We shall see as l very much doubt it.

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You keep telling yourself this, you are yet to provide proof.
I have already posted proof that Amazon are testing the waters so to say in football.

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l don't need any proof because nothing has happened

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A series about a certain football club is just that and nothing more.

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That's because it's in the future, Den.

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I agree, theone. If only he would tell us why he's so sure that it will never happen. There doesn't appear to be any reason at all for Den's belief that the status quo will remain forever. I just hope it's not too big a shock for him when this becomes a reality! :D

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Amazon are working on a ad supported free version of their Amazon video service. http://www.cordcuttersnews.com/repor...n-prime-video/

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Good series not long out on Netflix guys, The Sinner, been very good.

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Yes, I have that bookmarked! Looking forward to watching it.

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I'm all for it, as long as we continue to have an ad free subscription version.

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Careful now a certain person will be along to say it won't happen despite proof being posted it's happening.

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Don't hide behind your petticoats Sir as please say what you think as l am not precious and prone to upset.:)

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I did say it lol. You just presumed it was you.

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Streaming is now more popular than cable tv http://www.cordcuttersnews.com/strea...ular-cable-tv/

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Can't really argue with that.

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Den will no doubt have his blinkers on and deny it's happening.

(btw den i'm only teasing you).

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Although America only for now Viacom, Amc, Discovery launching their own streaming services. This is further proof online tv is growing rapidly and the networks are seeing it too http://www.cordcuttersnews.com/viaco...aming-service/

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This the UK unless you think we have become another state of America.;)

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Yes, it is, but we generally follow in their footsteps in these matters.

And here is some evidence of the trend in the UK and Europe.

http://advanced-television.com/2017/...nd-revolution/

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I'm struggling to think how some believe this is going to be cheaper for those who like a decent selection of content.

Buying individual subscriptions will soon mount up.

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Whilst that is true, I think the trend will be away from pay tv linear broadcast channels and more towards OTT services.

If you no longer pay, say, £60 for your pay tv channels, you will be able to afford 5 or 6 streaming services instead. Plus of course the free on demand services such as the BBC i-Player, ITV Hub, All 4, Demand 5, UKTV Play, the TV Player, and so on.

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You better ask the man of great vision and wisdom for that answer.;)

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Some might follow but you go into most households in this country and Linear TV still very much remains king.

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l think well that is different from your stance before when you proclaimed Linear TV to be as dead as a doornail.

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Oh ok so I'm potentially paying the same or more however receiving less.

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I never did say that, Den, and I have reminded you of that more than once.

I said that:

1. The number of traditional linear channels would start to decline from about 5 years' time;

2. The number of traditional linear channels existing in 20 years' time will be very small or non existent, due to the massively increased use of OTT services, which were easier and more convenient to use.

That was about a year ago, so you can take a year off the 5 years and 20 years predictions.

As it happens, I may have been too pessimistic about the speed of change. Two traditional linear channels have already taken the decision to go on demand only (BBC3 and ITV Encore) so things have started moving in that direction four years earlier than I thought at the time.

The posts on here clearly demonstrate a strong trend, both in the US and the UK (as well as Europe) towards OTT services, and yet you continue to bury your head in the sand and tell us this will never happen.

I am still waiting for your explanation as to why you do not agree with this prediction, particularly when the TV industry seems to have come around to this point of view also, and the evidence is building up month by month.

If you are able to provide me with an up to date link that supports your view on this matter, I would be very interested to read it.

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How do you make that out?

You would have all the terrestrials free of charge, the Sky channels via Now TV and however many streaming services you choose to subscribe to (on monthly contracts as well!).

If you chose Now TV for your Sky and Movie channels and you used an aerial or TV Player for the terrestrials, that would cost you about £18. Add Netflix and Amazon and that's another £16 or thereabouts. So that's £34 compared with £60, leaving you to spend £26 on other streaming services when they come, or alternatively you could save that money.

So why do you think it would be more expensive?

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On paper my streaming services are probably already more expensive than a TV sub when taking into account the cost of my VM broadband.
Off the top of my head its £3-£5 a month for Now TV Entertainment depending on what deals I find,
£5-£7 a month for Now TV movies again depending on what deals I find,
£20-£34 a month for Now TV Sports depending on whether I'm on a deal or not (9 months a year I'm probably on the £20 a month offer),
£4 a month for BT Sport,
£10 a month for Netflix,
£80 a year for Amazon Prime,
£130 a year for NFL Gamepass,
£20 a month for ESPN Player for the 5 months of the year of college football.

However I do share the cost of the services that allow more than one connection at once with trusted friends and family and if I was paying a full TV subscription I probably wouldn't be able to subscribe to the services I do that give me the content I want.


In other streaming news Channel 4 is making All 4 accounts mandatory early next year (all in the name of targeted advertising).

https://www.engadget.com/2017/11/15/...-targeted-ads/

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TV Player have just had a shake up of their streaming packages and prices. It's a shocker. Nearly double the price it was for the same content.

https://tvplayer.com/plus

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More channels are on way apparantly TCM, Universal, FOX and Syfy are joining tvplayer plus max soon.
Movies 24 is joining lite.

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What I would say is TV Player are now offering some of the channels in HD. Boxnation launching on there was a surprise. Still a stand alone subscription at £12 per month. I wonder if that paves the way for other subscription channels like Premier Sports launching on their platform?

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Yeah boxnation was a surprise one thing is for sure tvplayer aren't messing around and look like they're here to stay.
They also offer the ppv channel itv box office too, be very interesting to see what tvplayer add in the future.

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I think TV Player might end up being a major threat to Sky, Virgin Media, BT and Talk Talk. The price will go up with more channels, but it should remain far cheaper than traditional pay tv packages.

A Now TV/TV Player subscription sounds a very attractive proposition.

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Very interesting article on the back page of the latest edition of webuser. The writer recons SKY might be dead in 10 years time, he also confirmed what OB has been saying that Amazon are indeed intending to go for football rights in the UK.
His article suggests once SKY lose the football it will be the beginning of the end for SKY tv.
Me personally i don't think it'd be the end of SKY but losing the football will certainly hurt them and they would have to think greatly about their pricing structure.

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I don't think it'll be the end of them either. They have 11 million TV subscribers but only around 5 million SKY Sports subscribers across all TV platforms. That means the vast majority of their TV customer base are happy to have a sport free subscription. Would they lose subscribers? Of course, probably millions of them but they'd still retain more than enough to make a non sport service viable. They'd still remain the biggest pay TV provider in the UK.... for a while.

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Agreed i rejoined SKY recently never took sports or movies just joined them for entertainment channels and documentarys got a cracking deal too £15p/m for 18 months.

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Chad, 5 million sports subscribers is almost 50% of their total subscribers, so if they lost that many customers it would be a huge financial blow to them, I don't think they would go bust, but you never know.

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There's a few answers to that , who says all those 5 million are football viewers ?

Sky currently pays nearly £1.4 billion a year which would be money it could spend elsewhere.

Who says the winning bidder wouldn't want it's content available across other platforms.

Should this happen it's likely Sky will have already been snapped up by a bigger player even if it's not Fox so I'm pretty sure they'll still be here.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I never did say that, Den, and I have reminded you of that more than once.

I said that:

Quote:

1. The number of traditional linear channels would start to decline from about 5 years' time;

That is a fair change from what your original answer was.

No, you were referring to my comment about linear (ie conventional broadcast channels) being 'as dead as a doornail'. That was never my suggestion. I said that these channels were probably safe for about 3 years, but in about 5 years' time they would start decreasing. I said it was quite likely that there would be no such channels in 20 years from now but a small number might survive.

'I still think that conventional channels will be dead in 20 years.'

That was a quote from me on #892 on 29 April 2016 in my original linear channels thread, and even then, some, including you, kept saying that I had predicted this would happen in 10 years, which is simply not true. The 10 years I had previously referred to was the time by which the infrastructure should be ready to support this change. Still, you are trying to confuse these timescales in an effort to discredit the premise I have put forward. However, the evidence is there in those posts, from very early in the thread, that the likelihood was that conventional linear TV channels would not exist in 20 years.

Just in case anyone remains confused, my definitive view is, and always has been that:

1. These traditional linear channels were safe for about three years at least. After about 5 years, some of these linear channels would start to close down as they would no longer be viable.

2. In about 5-10 years' time, the necessary infrastructure should be available over the whole country to enable everyone to be able to access streaming services.

3. By 20 years' time, most of our conventional TV channels would have closed due to the popularity of streaming services, which would render the old system unviable. I also conceded that if there was a seismic shift in the way the linear offering was presented, this could change things, but that I could not envisage what that would be.

I hope my position on this is now clear, if it wasn't before.



Quote:

2. The number of traditional linear channels existing in 20 years' time will be very small or non existent, due to the massively increased use of OTT services, which were easier and more convenient to use.

Quite a big statement and one that is very unlikely to come true.

That remains my view.

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That was about a year ago, so you can take a year off the 5 years and 20 years predictions.

Like a politician your answer seems to change from day to day.

You will need to justify that! My position has remained unchanged. If you really believe what you are saying, give me a link to prove it. You will not find one, trust me.

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As it happens, I may have been too pessimistic about the speed of change. Two traditional linear channels have already taken the decision to go on demand only (BBC3 and ITV Encore) so things have started moving in that direction four years earlier than I thought at the time.

Both channels always had small audiences and like channels before new ones launch and a few disappear as that has happened in the history of modern TV if you care to search and look.

You may have forgotten that I said from the start that it would begin with the smaller channels, so what's your point? It's happened even sooner than I thought it would!
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The posts on here clearly demonstrate a strong trend, both in the US and the UK (as well as Europe) towards OTT services, and yet you continue to bury your head in the sand and tell us this will never happen.

The trend that will lead to the streaming giants winning all the major UK football and sporting rights then?.

They will certainly start bidding soon.

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I am still waiting for your explanation as to why you do not agree with this prediction, particularly when the TV industry seems to have come around to this point of view also, and the evidence is building up month by month.

If you are able to provide me with an up to date link that supports your view on this matter, I would be very interested to read it

l have answered this one before but you have chosen to ignore viewpoints that don't suit your own views.

Well, if you have, I must have missed it!

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Actually, I agree with you, muppetman. If Amazon win the Premier League rights, they will ensure that they are available on as many platforms as possible, to get their money back! This will benefit BT and Talk Talk in particular.

Against that, we also need to bear in mind that the global operators will also be swallowing up studio rights all over the place, and Sky will not be able to compete with that. To survive, they need a new model which will include increasing their original content massively.

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Not as good as previous deals but Argos are currently selling Now TV boxes with either a 4 month entertainment pass or a 3 month movie pass for £19:99.
These may not be as good as you'll find vouchers for on Ebay or the like but I've found the vouchers inside these boxes last at least 12 months whereas its hit and miss on how long you have to apply one to your account when you buy the voucher alone online.

I've just added a 6 month entertainment pass and 4 month movie pass to my account from box and voucher deals purchased from Argos (for the same £19:99 price) in October 2016 so in some circumstances they can last longer than the 12 month limit.

Edit:
Talking of Now TV they have a Black Friday deal for new customers only, 12 months movies for £55, 12 months entertainment for £45 and 12 months sports for £199.

If anyone is thinking of switching to Now TV £300 for that lot for a year seems a very good deal to me

http://www.nowtv.com/black-friday-de..._ENTS_CAROUSEL

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That is a cracking deal.

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Yeah I thought so, If I didn't already have movies and entertainment tied up for the next 10 months at an equivalent price and sports for a lot less for the next 6 months (sports is a long story I can't go into but I have it for 60 quid for 6 months at the moment :) ) then I'd cancel and sign up again under one of my other emails at those prices.

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Well existing Now TV customers have a Black Friday deal too, £99 for 12 months entertainment and movies, but there is a caveat, you have to be within 30 days of both services running out on your account for the offer to work

http://www.nowtv.com/home/existing

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Some good deals. Might get the Kids TV pass for 12 months for £15.00 for my son to enjoy in his bedroom. That's really good value.

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I would of gone for it myself if i hadn't recently took a deal from SKY.

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It is a little disappointing to find that in relation to live sports, Amazon is seeking programming viewers can't get from rivals. However, given their determination to take on Sky, maybe the correct interpretation of this is that it views competitors such as Sky differently from other OTT services. Maybe this indicates that we will see Amazon entering the bidding round this time rather than next.

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/articl...s-broadcasters

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Still singing from that same hymm book l see OB.:nono::nono:

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Still no link posted by you i see.

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If you look you shall find instead of believing everything as gospel from that wise sage of wisdom.

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If Amazon are to dip their toes into Premier League rights, I would bet they will go for the new Saturday night package that was voted in this week by the clubs.

I base my hypothesis on the fact that they aren't interested in advertising revenue or taking on traditional broadcasters for prime time Saturday viewers and that this will possibly be the cheapest package they could acquire to test the market in order to have a full assault if they deem it fit in 3 years time.

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I agree, but then again I think anything can happen this time around!



I think it is up to you to justify your remarks if they are to be taken with any credibility, Den.

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l don't need any credibility as l never had any to start with but your trail of false predictions and great new dawns has certainly reduced your credibility that teeny weeny bit.:p:

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Difference is i'm seeing tv evolve my head isn't buried in the sand.

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You are entitled to your opinion as are others and my good self.

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Absolutely but you need to start backing up this "never going to happen" with links at least.
OB and myself have posted numerous links showing the groth of streaming and the possibility of streaming companies bidding for football rights or at least highlights.

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Bang on.

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And apart from some smaller sports rights there is diddly squat chance of the streaming companies ever bidding for the major UK football rights as you and OB will find out in due time.

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The status quo isn't newsworthy, there simply aren't numerous links for him to provide. He's no more likely to find links to articles about the continuity of linear tv than he would find articles about whether we will still have a piped water supply in x years time.

Assumptions based on extrapolating the current growth curve of streaming services isn't entirely accurate. Keep extrapolating the current curve and you'll get to a point where there are more people watching streaming services than there are people in the world. At some point, the gradient of the curve will change, flatten out, maybe go into decline. That's the unknown factor, how long is the current trend sustainable, It could be years, months, weeks even. Articles based on current trends are just that, and trends change.

One opinion is no more correct than another, they are only opinions.

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I have not left 'a trail of false predictions'. Again, you come out with this stuff with no justification, and so credibility is certainly at issue when you do this.

The only prediction that went wrong for me was the famous Sky Atlantic issue, but that was based on an article that turned out not to be correct in the end.

Of course, you can disagree with me or whomever you like, but please give us a justification for your view so you are not constantly accused of believing that nothing will ever change.

I welcome a good debate, but constant responses of 'It will never happen, take your rose tinted glasses off' can be a bit wearing.

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That is true to an extent, but if you are going to rubbish someone else's post, one can at least provide an explanation.

Whether extrapolation is really an issue with the debate about whether Amazon will go for the Premiership rights is debateable. We still don't know why Den takes the view he does, but we have provided plenty of links to indicate that this is precisely what will happen, either this time round or next.

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And you say that why, Den?

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You might want to get some seasoning in for that straw hat of yours.
I love a good debate and difference of opinions.

Not sports related something that is very interesting i think someone reported in the coming soon thread that Comcast are interested in buying SKY,
if this happens comcast i think will give SKYgo a massive overhaul and bring it inline with Comcasts own streaming service for customers xfinity (not the same channels before den throws his slippers at the cat :p ) also there is a strong chance that they will work with their partners to bring HULU to the UK.
HULU have already stated they are aiming to have HULU in the UK by the end of 2020, interesting times ahead.

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On the face of it at least, this could be good for us, the consumers. If so, let's hope this actually happens.

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What does HULU show mate?

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Personal opinion but I can't see Amazon wanting to pay in excess of the £1.4 billion a season Sky currently pays.

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Why not? They can afford it!

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So could ESPN ;)

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I think the proof of that specific issue will enfold as we become aware of the actual bidders. Debating the situation won't actually change, or even influence what happens. I doubt that links really give an indication of "precisely" what will happen, the passage of time between now and then gives scope for a change of mind / policy.

At the moment, looking at this debate from the outside, it just seems to be a case of stating "oh yes they will" or "oh no they won't" across several threads. The panto season is alive and well on CF. ;)

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Praise the lord as wisdom and reality prevails at last.

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You have no understanding of the UK football rights market do you OB?.

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Its alright as l will be the villain and OB can be Widow Twankey.:D

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Hulu is a on demand service shows stuff from FOX, CBS, ABC etc along it's own original content and movies too.
Recently HULU launched a live tv streaming service too offering most networks live. Check it out here you can view the site but not content without a vpn but should give you an idea mate www.hulu.com

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Could being the key word if reports are true ESPN are in a bit of trouble, losing subscribers at an alarming rate.
But they are already working on a streaming service.

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Nobody knows what precisely will happen. All these posts are speculative, I thought that was as good as read.

I am not an insider, and when I say I believe something will change, it's based on material that I read and sounds credible.

If we took off everything that was not speculation, the 'Coming Soon' thread would not exist!

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ESPN Inc., a joint venture owned by The Walt Disney Company (80%) and Hearst Communications (20%). They just need a makeover and refocus, money is not a problem.

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AMC, Amazon content deal

http://advanced-television.com/2017/...nt-for-amazon/

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True, i think they'll get there they are already testing new waters by showing EFL matches including 3pm kickoffs.

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It is a good read.

There's nothing wrong with a little speculation. It's just that the debate, as interesting as it is, gets a bit repetitive after a while, especially when it is spread over several threads. It's understandable for one party to argue that everything is white and for another to argue that everything is black. In reality though, pretty much everything is grey. ;)

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This is pretty poor advice on accessing material illegally, in my opinion. It does not even mention IPTV providers who charge a subscription (which could lead some to believe that they are accessing material legally), the use of VPNs to access geo-blocked material, etc, and frankly this scare mongering over the electrical safety of Kodi boxes is pathetic. Sure, purchasing such equipment from dodgy dealers could present problems, but if you purchase from a reputable dealer, this isn't a problem at all. Just like any other electrical equipment, actually!

http://advanced-television.com/2017/...-box-guidance/

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Honestly, this advice is laughable. It's almost as if the internet doesn't exist and they expect us to believe everything they tell us.

As for the safety aspect, it was a 'little' skewed as this Torrent Freak article points out.

https://torrentfreak.com/the-truth-b...dlines-171118/

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Yes, Project Fear all over again! :p:

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With the re-runs of Game of Thrones on Sky Atlantic coming to an end in about 4 weeks' time, I suspect that the full 7 series will return to Now TV either just before or just after Christmas.

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Before l reckon.

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I'm quaking in my boots lol.

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I agree, but I cannot be certain! It would make sense before, certainly.

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I would have thought it would return now to coincide with their rather generous Black Friday offers, the two in tandem could entice quite a few to the Now TV platform.

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This should put to bed as one of the reasons why Amazon or other streaming giants won't enter the big UK football rights market as others can speculate wildly till the cows come home but the numbers and the massive cost of them simply don't add up and never will.

http://www.seenit.co.uk/speculation-...ally-stack-up/

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Very good link but i still wouldn't rule out Amazon or another streaming company to go for rights, wether or not they'll get them is to be seen.

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I'm not convinced by this. It is true that the cost involved would be high, but then, Amazon have huge pockets.

Frankly, I can't see Amazon making these matches available at the same cost as currently charged for Amazon Prime Video, that would be ridiculous. They would probably want to set up their own pay channels on Amazon Prime and charge a separate subscription for their football premiership channel. This would probably be less that Sky Sports currently charges because Amazon would offer only football on that channel.

Of course, not everyone is prepared to access OTT services such as Amazon, so I would expect these channels to be offered to all other platforms that were to pay for it. None of the restrictive nonsense promoted by Sky, who withhold some of their sports channels to other platforms like BT. There is also scope to sell matches or even just highlights or snippets to other platforms like Google and YouTube.

Amazon could structure their pricing so that Amazon Prime subscribers could subscribe to their football channel(s) at a reduced price compared with non-Prime Amazon members, and they could also ensure that other platforms had to charge more for the channel(s) than non-Prime Amazon subscribers.

There is a lot that Amazon could do to make this work for them, although it is a daunting task. However, a lack of money to bid is not a problem for them.