Originally Posted by Islandman (Post 35603830)

The logic of this thinking escapes me. So, we lose 4 sports channels, denying us access to many sports including the EPL, but if VM replace them with Disney channels and other channels we mostly already have but not in HD, all will be well and we'll all love VM again. NO WE WON'T! THEY NEED TO REPLACE WHAT THEY HAVE TAKEN AWAY. DISNEY???????

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35603831)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...-rejected.html

Very interesting whilst good news for Sky what does this mean for wholesale deals of BT Sport ? VM already have all the Sky Sports channels in SD and two in HD while BT can currently only offer its own sports channels with its You view box will they want to strengthen its competitors sports offerings ?I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35603831)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...-rejected.html

Very interesting whilst good news for Sky what does this mean for wholesale deals of BT Sport ? VM already have all the Sky Sports channels in SD and two in HD while BT can currently only offer its own sports channels with its You view box will they want to strengthen its competitors sports offerings ?I guess we'll have to wait and see.

It could be argued all the pay TV platforms now have stronger sports offerings than BT's You view.

Originally Posted by ocav (Post 35603835)

As someone who doesn't watch sport, I'd much prefer to be able to watch the shows, I, and my younger siblings want to watch in HD. Based on what was said in another thread not many people would pay extra for BT Sport, so what's the difference to VM, if VM get it as an add on they won't make a penny off having BT Sport, whereas they would by saying they have practically the same amount of HD channels as Sky!

Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35603824)

The money there saving from not paying espn is going nowhere other than gathering interest to end up in shareholders back pockets

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35603839)

None of these companies should be allowed to with-hold their content in my mind and in my humble opinion its time Ofcom sorted out this type of behaviour once and for all.

Originally Posted by young_timbo (Post 35603854)

The sports rights should be opened up and every TV service should be allowed to buy every pack for a set price. Then the customer can choose the provider which gives them the best value. The way it is now is ridiculous. Paying two people, and many people unable to even have a chance the pay the 2nd person. Or being able to pay the 2nd person, but then not being able to pay the 1st if what the Telegraph says is true. It'll be necessary to pay a 3rd person soon. Greed from all the companies is what has gotten us in this position. Taking advantage of this nation's unequivocal love of Sport. Well, the majority anyway, the minority represented on here hate sport and are only gutted because when they heard ESPN was going they assumed Nick HD and Sky Atlantic would come in its place. Because they haven't, nobody is happy.

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603861)

I might be wrong, but I think it is done like this in the USA...

Originally Posted by thegrid (Post 35603862)

It is done like this in the States.

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603865)

Thanks for confirming, it's been a few years since I was in the States :)

Originally Posted by ocav (Post 35603835)

As someone who doesn't watch sport, I'd much prefer to be able to watch the shows, I, and my younger siblings want to watch in HD. Based on what was said in another thread not many people would pay extra for BT Sport, so what's the difference to VM, if VM get it as an add on they won't make a penny off having BT Sport, whereas they would by saying they have practically the same amount of HD channels as Sky!

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603887)

Keeping a eye on the EPG in case 6 new channels appear in the 500's soon...

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35603831)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...-rejected.html

Very interesting whilst good news for Sky what does this mean for wholesale deals of BT Sport ? VM already have all the Sky Sports channels in SD and two in HD while BT can currently only offer its own sports channels with its You view box will they want to strengthen its competitors sports offerings ?I guess we'll have to wait and see.

It could be argued all the pay TV platforms now have stronger sports offerings than BT's You view.

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603887)

Keeping a eye on the EPG in case 6 new channels appear in the 500's soon...

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603887)

Keeping a eye on the EPG in case 6 new channels appear in the 500's soon...

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35603889)

wishful thinking John i'm afraid

Originally Posted by Catesby (Post 35603890)

BT can still offer Sky Sports via their BT Vision + box.

Originally Posted by young_timbo (Post 35603854)

The sports rights should be opened up and every TV service should be allowed to buy every pack for a set price. Then the customer can choose the provider which gives them the best value. The way it is now is ridiculous. Paying two people, and many people unable to even have a chance the pay the 2nd person. Or being able to pay the 2nd person, but then not being able to pay the 1st if what the Telegraph says is true. It'll be necessary to pay a 3rd person soon. Greed from all the companies is what has gotten us in this position. Taking advantage of this nation's unequivocal love of Sport. Well, the majority anyway, the minority represented on here hate sport and are only gutted because when they heard ESPN was going they assumed Nick HD and Sky Atlantic would come in its place. Because they haven't, nobody is happy.

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603894)

I was told it could go to the wire and that is 6pm...

Originally Posted by Islandman (Post 35603869)

As someone who does watch sport, (except BT of course), i find it bizarre that people think it would be reasonable or fair to replace sports channels with non-sports channels. Channels that have not been available to date are surely a separate issue. Those that prefer to watch these should consider how they would respond if they had been able to watch them in the past and then had them taken away.

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603887)

Keeping a eye on the EPG in case 6 new channels appear in the 500's soon...

Originally Posted by young_timbo (Post 35603895)

in SD.

in my case, SD Sky Sports and no multiroom facility makes BT no option for me & the household I live in.

Originally Posted by thegrid (Post 35603868)

No worries, i'm not certain but i'm sure this is the case.

Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35603903)

It isn't.

Fox Sports has exclusivity on the Premier League, DirecTV (maybe someone else by now) has exclusivity on Sunday NFL games, etc.

Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35603903)

It isn't.

Fox Sports has exclusivity on the Premier League, DirecTV (maybe someone else by now) has exclusivity on Sunday NFL games, etc.

Originally Posted by Catesby (Post 35603890)

BT can still offer Sky Sports via their BT Vision + box, which is the one automatically given to new customers who take up a Sky Sports sub. Ironic that BT were one of the primary partners in Youview and now have to leave them on the shelf but as far as I'm aware the BTV box does pretty much the same thing as Youview anyway.

Originally Posted by clinteastman (Post 35603900)

You have to remember that I didn't have a option to NOT have these channels included in the bundle if i wanted XL. I'm not going to be upset about losing something I didn't want and had to pay for in the first place. I understand that everyone has a different opinion on having/not having sports but this is mine. :)

Originally Posted by Islandman (Post 35603914)

You had no option but to have them, but VM keep telling us they were 'free', so don't understand what was the problem.

Originally Posted by Islandman (Post 35603914)

You had no option but to have them, but VM keep telling us they were 'free', so don't understand what was the problem.

Originally Posted by Harryn9000 (Post 35603913)

channel 57 is unencrypted now showing adverts for bt sport now.

i'll be alright then as got freeview hooked up to my tv in my room as back up

Originally Posted by Richc1977 (Post 35603924)

Alright until midnight that is!

Originally Posted by Richc1977 (Post 35603924)

Alright until midnight that is!

Originally Posted by clinteastman (Post 35603919)

I pay VM and they provide channels in return. That's not what I call free, added at no extra charge maybe but free? No.

Originally Posted by Islandman (Post 35603927)

Think VM would give you an argument on that.

Originally Posted by young_timbo (Post 35603921)

He bizarrely wants a non-sport replacement for a sports channel that was free and that he admits he never once watched. He's been banging on about it all week and he's not alone.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35603937)

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603941)

:clap::clap:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35603938)

We have been told that they are still locked in talks and are NOT prepared to say anything else.

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603949)

We can have differences of opinions but some get personal :(

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35603938)

I have spoken with CS at 5pm, as we can nio longer get ESPN, although its part of the package we are on.

We have been told that they are still locked in talks and are NOT prepared to say anything else.

BT Sports starts tonight at 6pm, so it looks like we are not getting it.

VM are a disgrace for this, they tell you to contact there website and register your interest, but that is all they will say.

This is supposed to be a company with good customer relations - absolutely crap.

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603931)

1 hour to go...

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35603937)

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35603951)

Arthur, look up "perspective" or "sense of proportion" in the dictionary, please...

Millions dying of hunger and/or malaria is a disgrace, thousands of soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilians dying in a pointless war is a disgrace, oil rigs blowing up and killing people and causing billions of pounds of pollution because of corner-cutting is a disgrace - losing a couple of TV channels is annoying, perhaps even frustrating.

ymmv.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35603957)

Oh my oh my you are keen John.;)

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35603951)

Arthur, look up "perspective" or "sense of proportion" in the dictionary, please...

Millions dying of hunger and/or malaria is a disgrace, thousands of soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilians dying in a pointless war is a disgrace, oil rigs blowing up and killing people and causing billions of pounds of pollution because of corner-cutting is a disgrace - losing a couple of TV channels is annoying, perhaps even frustrating.

ymmv.

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603960)

I still expect 6 channels to fire up in the 500's at 6pm :)

---------- Post added at 17:13 ---------- Previous post was at 17:12 ----------



:clap::clap:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35603964)

Now that would be a miracle from him above.:waving:

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603965)

God is Arsene Wenger :)

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35603938)

I have spoken with CS at 5pm, as we can nio longer get ESPN, although its part of the package we are on.

We have been told that they are still locked in talks and are NOT prepared to say anything else.

BT Sports starts tonight at 6pm, so it looks like we are not getting it.

VM are a disgrace for this, they tell you to contact there website and register your interest, but that is all they will say.

This is supposed to be a company with good customer relations - absolutely crap.

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603969)

40 minutes to go...

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603969)

40 minutes to go...

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35603971)

yes for bt and sky customers John not us

Originally Posted by Islandman (Post 35603970)

Spot on!

Originally Posted by thegrid (Post 35603973)

I'm with you on this one. They could pull it off at the last minute..you never know. :)

Originally Posted by Islandman (Post 35603978)

Can't help but admire that sort of optimism. Be wonderful if you were right.

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35603980)

Breaking from UPC Ireland

BT Sport 1 & 2, ESPN and @SetantaSports are available to order NOW here: http://www.upc.ie/television/channels/SS/ Just €16 per month with first 2mths FREE!

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35603980)

Breaking from UPC Ireland

BT Sport 1 & 2, ESPN and @SetantaSports are available to order NOW here: http://www.upc.ie/television/channels/SS/ Just €16 per month (£13.97) with first 2mths FREE!

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603791)

Mark, a mod on VM forum, states that 'talks are going down to the wire' - does this mean down to 6pm today?

Mark_Wilkin wrote:
....The only thing I can say right now is that we're still talking to BT about this as we speak. And in my experience these things can sometimes go right down to the wire.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35603831)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...-rejected.html

Very interesting whilst good news for Sky what does this mean for wholesale deals of BT Sport ? VM already have all the Sky Sports channels in SD and two in HD while BT can currently only offer its own sports channels with its You view box will they want to strengthen its competitors sports offerings ?I guess we'll have to wait and see.

It could be argued all the pay TV platforms now have stronger sports offerings than BT's You view.

Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603986)

Could be both UPC and VM done a joint deal...

Originally Posted by thegrid (Post 35603991)

Could be, they both have the same parent company?

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35603988)

It looks like it's a case of who cracks first (from what I gather, it won't be VM, who are happy to call a channel providers bluff if need be).

If the channel does not appear on the opening night at some point, BT will know that VM mean business. BT will then have to consider a change of position before 17 August if they want their channels on VM.

It has not been unknown for a channel to suddenly appear when it was thought that it wouldn't...

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35603980)

Breaking from UPC Ireland

BT Sport 1 & 2, ESPN and @SetantaSports are available to order NOW here: http://www.upc.ie/television/channels/SS/ Just €16 per month (£13.97) with first 2mths FREE!

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35603980)

Breaking from UPC Ireland

BT Sport 1 & 2, ESPN and @SetantaSports are available to order NOW here: http://www.upc.ie/television/channels/SS/ Just €16 per month (£13.97) with first 2mths FREE!

Originally Posted by clinteastman (Post 35604003)

Have they said when they start broadcasting? If it's today then the likelihood is that the channels in testing are BT Sports channels. I'm not saying that we will get them, just that they may be preparing so they can pull the handle sooner rather than later.

Originally Posted by clinteastman (Post 35604003)

Have they said when they start broadcasting? If it's today then the likelihood is that the channels in testing are BT Sports channels. I'm not saying that we will get them, just that they may be preparing so they can pull the handle sooner rather than later.

Originally Posted by Doug P (Post 35603997)

Too expensive for me but yes interesting...

Originally Posted by seedybob (Post 35603634)

In the anger, panic and depression of the last 50 pages, as Denyo says there hasn't been much analysis on why this deal might have fell through. If we look deep enough the answer is probably already there.

Look at how BT dealt with Sky. We know they wanted to handle to transaction themselves. We know their business plan is solely based around getting broadband customers. The guardian article last week (link) wasn't really analysed to see how they might behave with Virgin Media. It says that only 23,000 people took up new Pay-tv offers and the majority of sign-ups are existing customers. In the region of 477,000 people are not paying for the channel.

So doesn't this mean that BT are just not interested in the £12-£15 per month subscribers? It'll only bring in £4m per year to them and that's peanuts. Clearly then, they don't care what price VM are going to offer whether its £3 x 1m XL customers or even £20 per month standalone. They can afford to pass up £30m-£40m per year because they are not targetting television customers. That's where they are different to ESPN and Setanta who needed that revenue to support their venture. VM actually had all the cards in those negotiations. This time its BT with all the cards. BT also mustn't care about the potential advertising revenue loss if VM viewers don't have the channel.

So what's the stumbling block? BT want to deal with the customers themselves, we know that. They've shown that they are not interested in volume of subscriptions they just want broadband customers.

So have they told VM that they can have the channel as long as they control the subscriptions? In other words, they could offer the channel to VM at £2 per month as long as they get the customer names and details of who signs up. Would VM be happy to supply them with the details of possibly 1m customers? Its probably business suicide to do so.

We cable customers are potential gold-dust to BT, we'd all be targets for Infinity, telephone and tv and while BT is not something I'd consider there will be plenty of biters out there if the offer was good enough.

I'm not saying I have the answer, but it doesn't look as if the battle is over money. This is a battle for control and a much, much bigger prize than £2/£3/£12/£15 per month poxy television packages.

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35603672)

Feel free.

Remember however if you have a package for TV, phone and broadband you will only be able to cancel the TV part of your package.

Originally Posted by neilo (Post 35603697)

You're quite right Chad. Others seem to think that something being outside of VM's control somehow means this term doesn't apply. Even though this is clearly covered off in the first section. If a lawyer would like to publish differing legal advice, they could do but I haven't seen it but its just down to an interpretation of 'significant'. Simples.

Originally Posted by Doug P (Post 35603997)

Too expensive for me but yes interesting...

Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35604026)

Everything comes to he who waits - remember this post. Thats all I will say on this matter. :-)

Originally Posted by Doug P (Post 35604028)

Banana's posts always appeal..... :-)

Originally Posted by piquet41 (Post 35604032)

BT Sport now live

Originally Posted by clinteastman (Post 35604003)

Have they said when they start broadcasting? If it's today then the likelihood is that the channels in testing are BT Sports channels. I'm not saying that we will get them, just that they may be preparing so they can pull the handle sooner rather than later.

Originally Posted by piquet41 (Post 35604032)

BT Sport now live

Originally Posted by piquet41 (Post 35604032)

BT Sport now live

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35604037)

Yes. You can read about it on the "It is here on Sky" thread. :D

Originally Posted by scouser102002 (Post 35604039)

It's not come on my TV, yet, still saying 'scrambled channel'

Whether the fact it's my TV's built in freeview that makes a difference, I don't know.