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colin25 09-11-2013 06:53
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Originally Posted by paultrademark (Post 35642314)
About time someone took Sky on but let's hope its not at a massive increase in costs to us customers.
That said, I would happily pay BT Sports a fee for their package if it included all they have so far plus CL games, as long as it was cheaper than Sky currently charge which I feel is too high.

Game changing indeed. . Wonder what Sky's response will be!
I find the naivety amusing, as if this is a good thing. The same people who cheer when sky loses something are generally the first to cry when they have to pay more.

Any price war will always have the customer paying...the companies are not charities.

andy_m 09-11-2013 07:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HDFootyMan (Post 35642309)
The Times:
:shocked:

I suspect BT may be asking for more money from VM XL customers from 2015. Nevertheless, that is a great deal for BT, truly ground-breaking. The biggest blow yet to Sky Sports Football coverage.

No doubt about it now. BT mean business, and all bets are off.

PS - Deal includes exclusive coverage for Europa League too!!
BT's deal with Virgin was for three years, and when they signed it, BT must have known that they were lining up a bid for the Champions League. We should, in theory, get two years of Champions League at no extra cost.

paultrademark 09-11-2013 07:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35642318)
I find the naivety amusing, as if this is a good thing. The same people who cheer when sky loses something are generally the first to cry when they have to pay more.

Any price war will always have the customer paying...the companies are not charities.
I don't subscribe to Sky Sports from VM, I find it too expensive but as I said I'd pay BT for their package of what they have now plus CL games if it was cheaper than Sky.

I have no real interest in the EPL games, I watch some but not fussed either way on them. I do however watch the SPL and SPFL1 games that BT Sports show, plus I watch the CL games currently on ITV.

colin25 09-11-2013 07:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by paultrademark (Post 35642323)
I don't subscribe to Sky Sports from VM, I find it too expensive but as I said I'd pay BT for their package of what they have now plus CL games if it was cheaper than Sky.

I have no real interest in the EPL games, I watch some but not fussed either way on them. I do however watch the SPL and SPFL1 games that BT Sports show, plus I watch the CL games currently on ITV.
fair point.

I just don't see the customer as the winner, no matter who gets the rights.

If it meant competition, great, but it won't.

It will likely mean another thing to point to as examples of rip off britain.

I am always happy to be proved wrong, when it involves money (especially mine), but just don't see it happening.

denphone 09-11-2013 10:30
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And here is confirmation of the Champions League and Europa League deal.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24879138

nstokes 09-11-2013 10:41
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Just seen the news about BT getting the CL rights from 2015. Thats good news in terms of BT taking Sky on but bad news as they are exclusive so will no longer be on ITV from 2015 which is a shame. Same for Europa as well.

Im sure alot of people were saying BT couldnt take on Sky and they wouldnt be around for the long haul and i was saying they will be around for a while. Seems i was correct :D

denphone 09-11-2013 11:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35642367)
Just seen the news about BT getting the CL rights from 2015. Thats good news in terms of BT taking Sky on but bad news as they are exclusive so will no longer be on ITV from 2015 which is a shame. Same for Europa as well.

Im sure alot of people were saying BT couldnt take on Sky and they wouldnt be around for the long haul and i was saying they will be around for a while. Seems i was correct :D
Reminds me of the many who said BT Sports would not arrive on Virgin.:):waving:

devilincarnate 09-11-2013 11:11
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Would be nice if they shared the rights with the BBC like the FA cup

Chad 09-11-2013 11:16
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As part of the deal BT have agreed with UEFA to show games each week from both tournaments on a free to air basis. Whilst ITV are losing the rights to both competitions, terrestrial fans won't actually lose out.

colin25 09-11-2013 11:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35642391)
As part of the deal BT have agreed with UEFA to show games each week from both tournaments on a free to air basis. Whilst ITV are losing the rights to both competitions, terrestrial fans won't actually lose out.
curious which ones they will choose, perhaps broadcast the best games for free?

denphone 09-11-2013 11:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35642388)
Would be nice if they shared the rights with the BBC like the FA cup
Somehow Devil l don't think that will happen.

spiderplant 09-11-2013 11:24
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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35642393)
curious which ones they will choose, perhaps broadcast the best games for free?
From the BBC report:
"As part of the deal, BT has said it will show at least one match involving each participating British team for free every season."

spankysmagicpian 09-11-2013 11:42
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And what about this from BBC News

Quote:
John Petter, boss of the company's consumer division, told BBC Radio 5 live the new deal would mean customers having to pay for some of the matches.

"These games are going to need to be chargeable, that's true. But they'll be far more affordable than today's competition," he said.
Is he referring to the viewers who relied on ITV for the CL matches or possibly another BT Sports channel at extra cost?

denphone 09-11-2013 11:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35642397)
From the BBC report:
"As part of the deal, BT has said it will show at least one match involving each participating British team for free every season."
So all in all that means 5 matches involving British teams a season plus the final?.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian (Post 35642403)
And what about this from BBC News



Is he referring to the viewers who relied on ITV for the CL matches or possibly another BT Sports channel at extra cost?
There are going to be some hard financial decisions for many customers come 2015 as something going to have to give.

muppetman11 09-11-2013 11:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35642391)
As part of the deal BT have agreed with UEFA to show games each week from both tournaments on a free to air basis. Whilst ITV are losing the rights to both competitions, terrestrial fans won't actually lose out.
I wouldn't be so sure on that Chad someone on DS forum said they don't have to show as many FTA games from the British teams not sure if thats correct.

colin25 09-11-2013 12:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35642414)
I wouldn't be so sure on that Chad someone on DS forum said they don't have to show as many FTA games from the British teams not sure if thats correct.
I think it said that BT would show each team at least once, after that, who knows

harry_hitch 09-11-2013 12:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35642324)
fair point.

I just don't see the customer as the winner, no matter who gets the rights.

If it meant competition, great, but it won't.

It will likely mean another thing to point to as examples of rip off britain.

I am always happy to be proved wrong, when it involves money (especially mine), but just don't see it happening.
Not really. Sky should be able to cut their costs because they no won't have to pay for the CL rights.

BT have said their costs will be cheaper than they have been previously, so in theory it should save money.

It is down to Sky cut costs to make the price savings now. If they don't it just proves their massive greed.

Anypermitedroute 09-11-2013 12:03
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IMO they won't need to show it in FTA channel like ITV they will just unencrypted their channel in order to satisfy that requirement; I stated before they were lacking a bit of content for their channels and this will bolster their proposition and cement their position

Chad 09-11-2013 12:04
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denphone 09-11-2013 12:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35642415)
I think it said that BT would show each team at least once, after that, who knows
Well after that we all know exactly what will transpire.

harry_hitch 09-11-2013 12:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35642414)
I wouldn't be so sure on that Chad someone on DS forum said they don't have to show as many FTA games from the British teams not sure if thats correct.
Just because they don't have to, does not mean they wont MM.

denphone 09-11-2013 12:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642422)
Just because they don't have to, does not mean they wont MM.
Given BT's past history Harry l would say MM has hit the nail on the head.

Chad 09-11-2013 12:14
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24879138

A BT spokesman said "These games are going to need to be chargeable, that's true. But they'll be far more affordable than today's competition. So today, to get the whole competition, you typically have to pay Sky £40 or so a month. The pricing is not being announced today, but I can say that this will be far more affordable than currently."

So it looks like BT sports is going to become more expensive than it's current £15.00 per month, but less than £40.00. I can't see SKY Sports decreasing in price. I can see BT Sports asking Virgin back round the table to renegotiate their deal come 2015. Of course we can only wait and see however it looks like football fans are are going to be paying out more than ever in 18 months time :(

muppetman11 09-11-2013 12:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642422)
Just because they don't have to, does not mean they wont MM.
Dont think BT are any different from BSKYB theyve haven't paid those exhuberant amounts to make all their key British games FTA , its all about driving subscriptions the FTA games are probably just to meet UEFA's requirements.

Like Den says things are going to get pricey.

Chad 09-11-2013 12:18
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35642427)
Like Den says things are going to get pricey.
I agree with our chum. In 2 years time how much will a subscription to SKY Sports and BT Sports cost? £50.00 per month? £60.00 per month?

It's really getting to the stage where it's going to be cheaper to buy a season ticket for your local team and go to the game every second week.

colin25 09-11-2013 12:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35642427)
Dont think BT are any different from BSKYB theyve haven't paid those exhuberant amounts to make all their key British games FTA , its all about driving subscriptions the FTA games are probably just to meet UEFA's requirements.

Like Den says things are going to get pricey.
Couldn't BT open up another channel? And charge for that?

harry_hitch 09-11-2013 12:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35642427)
Dont think BT are any different from BSKYB theyve haven't paid those exhuberant amounts to make all their key British games FTA , its all about driving subscriptions the FTA games are probably just to meet UEFA's requirements.

Like Den says things are going to get pricey.
Not sure on their stance currently, but it was never about BT Sports getting subscriptions, it was about getting customers on triple package deals.
They may very well only put the minimum number of games on FTA, I was just saying they may not. They may get better ad revenues from showing them FTA. Who knows?

It's only going to get pricey if people continue to pay through the nose for it.:rolleyes:

I miss massive amounts of sports I would like to watch, but I refuse to pay the prices. I have no sympathy for those who do pay, you are perpetuating you own sporting financial problems.

colin25 09-11-2013 12:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642433)
Not sure on their stance currently, but it was never about BT Sports getting subscriptions, it was about getting customers on triple package deals.
They may very well only put the minimum number of games on FTA, I was just saying they may not. They may get better ad revenues from showing them FTA. Who knows?

It's only going to get pricey if people continue to pay through the nose for it.:rolleyes:

I miss massive amounts of sports I would like to watch, but I refuse to pay the prices. I have no sympathy for those who do pay, you are perpetuating you own sporting financial problems.
yes, fault does lay with purchasers...and sellers

muppetman11 09-11-2013 12:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642433)
Not sure on their stance currently, but it was never about BT Sports getting subscriptions, it was about getting customers on triple package deals.
They may very well only put the minimum number of games on FTA, I was just saying they may not. They may get better ad revenues from showing them FTA. Who knows?

It's only going to get pricey if people continue to pay through the nose for it.:rolleyes:

I miss massive amounts of sports I would like to watch, but I refuse to pay the prices. I have no sympathy for those who do pay, you are perpetuating you own sporting financial problems.
No need to roll your eyes at me , I dont pay it I'm currently on a half price Sky Sports discount for 12 months costing me £11 a month , I simply refuse to pay full I also dont sub to BT Sports or PS.

How long do you see BT Sports being free with BT BB for ?

denphone 09-11-2013 12:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642433)
Not sure on their stance currently, but it was never about BT Sports getting subscriptions, it was about getting customers on triple package deals.
They may very well only put the minimum number of games on FTA, I was just saying they may not. They may get better ad revenues from showing them FTA. Who knows?

It's only going to get pricey if people continue to pay through the nose for it.:rolleyes:

I miss massive amounts of sports I would like to watch, but I refuse to pay the prices. I have no sympathy for those who do pay, you are perpetuating you own sporting financial problems.
Well that's a personal choice we will have to make Harry but lets just say its going to get a whole lot harder but remember there are many who spend a lot on alcohol and tobacco and that again is their own personal choice and nobody elses at the end of the day.

alwaysabear 09-11-2013 12:41
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I am surprised these companies are paying so much when you see the average viewing figures for EPL games are less than 1.5 million.

spankysmagicpian 09-11-2013 13:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642416)
Not really. Sky should be able to cut their costs because they no won't have to pay for the CL rights.

BT have said their costs will be cheaper than they have been previously, so in theory it should save money.

It is down to Sky cut costs to make the price savings now. If they don't it just proves their massive greed.
Can you see Sky dropping their normal SS prices? No, neither can I.

Chad 09-11-2013 13:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35642431)
Couldn't BT open up another channel? And charge for that?
Possibly. I do however reading back in February when BT bought ESPN that the ESPN branded channel would stay on air until 2015. You'll maybe find that in the summer of 2015 ESPN will close and BT launch BT Sports 3.

As we've seen with other carriage deals it's possible that BT Sports 1 & 2 will remain in XL with ESPN dropping out. Virgin would then need to agree a new carriage deal for the inclusion of BT Sports 3 or maybe BT would prefer to keep the new channel exclusive to themselves?

The next 2 years will be very interesting. As BT continue to add more and more channels to BT Vision, we might see a service from BT in 2015 that genuinely rivals Virgin Media and SKY. The deal between SKY and HBO expires in 2015. BT Atlantic anyone :D

denphone 09-11-2013 13:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian (Post 35642453)
Can you see Sky dropping their normal SS prices? No, neither can I.
l wonder if in 2015 their PPV events like boxing and wrestling will suddenly not be PPV events in order to placate their sports customers.

thenry 09-11-2013 13:18
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So more channels to launch on BT Sports, 3 & 4 plus red button ?

BT need to sort their 'British' punditry out. Sky has a good foundation in that area, BT haven't. BT though does have good continental Europe punditry. I reckon its time they threw people out and nabbed people from ITV/Sky leading up to 2015 :)

denphone 09-11-2013 13:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35642455)
Possibly. I do however reading back in February when BT bought ESPN that the ESPN branded channel would stay on air until 2015. You'll maybe find that in the summer of 2015 ESPN will close and BT launch BT Sports 3.

As we've seen with other carriage deals it's possible that BT Sports 1 & 2 will remain in XL with ESPN dropping out. Virgin would then need to agree a new carriage deal for the inclusion of BT Sports 3 or maybe BT would prefer to keep the new channel exclusive to themselves?

The next 2 years will be very interesting. As BT continue to add more and more channels to BT Vision, we might see a service from BT in 2015 that genuinely rivals Virgin Media and SKY. The deal between SKY and HBO expires in 2015. BT Atlantic anyone :D
Its a bit like the pot calling the kettle black if they do that.

No but we will get Sky Atlantic soon enough though.:)

spankysmagicpian 09-11-2013 13:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35642457)
l wonder if in 2015 their PPV events like boxing and wrestling will suddenly not be PPV events in order to placate their sports customers.
I think they are too niche to make any impact if they were FTV.

Chad 09-11-2013 13:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35642457)
l wonder if in 2015 their PPV events like boxing and wrestling will suddenly not be PPV events in order to placate their sports customers.
I can't see it. Remember in 2014 SKY is set to become the home of international football with the exclusive rights for up to 500 games:

http://corporate.sky.com/media/press..._on_sky_sports

denphone 09-11-2013 13:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian (Post 35642462)
I think they are too niche to make any impact if they were FTV.
So the question is what will they fill in with the hole that losing CL football will bring?.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35642463)
I can't see it. Remember in 2014 SKY is set to become the home of international football with the exclusive rights for up to 500 games:

http://corporate.sky.com/media/press..._on_sky_sports
Some how l don't think having that will fill the gap Chad.

braysoj1 09-11-2013 13:29
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does this mean from 2015 no games on sky or itv

denphone 09-11-2013 13:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by braysoj1 (Post 35642467)
does this mean from 2015 no games on sky or itv
As far as European games are concerned yes.

alwaysabear 09-11-2013 13:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35642458)
So more channels to launch on BT Sports, 3 & 4 plus red button ?

BT need to sort their 'British' punditry out. Sky has a good foundation in that area, BT haven't. BT though does have good continental Europe punditry. I reckon its time they threw people out and nabbed people from ITV/Sky leading up to 2015 :)
Could not agree more.

thenry 09-11-2013 13:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35642471)
Could not agree more.
The clown Jake Humphrey needs to go as well.

denphone 09-11-2013 13:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35642474)
The clown Jake Humphrey needs to go as well.
But ITV have many clowns themselves the last time l looked bud.

alwaysabear 09-11-2013 13:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35642474)
The clown Jake Humphrey needs to go as well.
They need to get Gary Neville:D

Chad 09-11-2013 13:57
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Full BT announcement:

http://sport.bt.com/sportfootball/fo...11363847946944

thenry 09-11-2013 14:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35642476)
But ITV have many clowns themselves the last time l looked bud.
So ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35642477)
They need to get Gary Neville:D
Better than Carragher. Can you imagine Owen and Carragher commentating :sleep:

harry_hitch 09-11-2013 14:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35642438)
No need to roll your eyes at me , I dont pay it I'm currently on a half price Sky Sports discount for 12 months costing me £11 a month , I simply refuse to pay full I also dont sub to BT Sports or PS.

How long do you see BT Sports being free with BT BB for ?
I felt their was a need to roll my eyes MM. I get fed up with the whole paying extra topic. If I knew how to add multiple quotes, I would have done so. I should have added other peoples names to my post, so I apologize for not adding those names and rolling eyes at them too.

I personally can see BT Sports being free for many, many years. There are many different companies people can get BB from, probably at lower prices (or through half price for new customers etc) than BT will offer. BT Sports and ESPN is a fantastic USP for sports fans. The report on the BBC states the key for them is to grow BB and later on it states they made pre-tax profits of £948 million for a six month period. This strategy is clearly not hurting them, so why change it?

They also state they will not be charging for PL football for existing BB customers (I imagine they will offer a new deal at the start of each PL season for non-existing BB customers) and will only be charging for some CL football. Again, the "free" PL appears to be working for them, so why change it?

I dare say this seems a very simply argument, but I just can not see BT changing what appears to be a beneficial promotional activity.

andy_m 09-11-2013 14:05
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So each British team at least once and both finals free to air. So four Champions League matches and three Europa League matches and then the final four each competition. Or ten matches. The rest of the matches behind a pay wall, and for at least the first season of this rights cycle separated from those who choose to pay Sky for the bulk, and best, of the Premier League. Leaving consumers with a choice between competitions or paying two subscriptions to get what they currently get for one.

Hard to see how the consumer wins here.

alwaysabear 09-11-2013 14:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35642479)
So ?



Better than Carragher. Can you imagine Owen and Carragher commentating :sleep:
Ray Stubbs would do a better job as lead presenter IMO. Cannot stand Owen, Mcmanaman or Hargreaves.

thenry 09-11-2013 14:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35642483)
Ray Stubbs would do a better job as lead presenter IMO. Cannot stand Owen, Mcmanaman or Hargreaves.
Stubbs would be better but he's not the answer. Same here.

alwaysabear 09-11-2013 14:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35642484)
Stubbs would be better but he's not the answer. Same here.
Who would be your choice?

Chad 09-11-2013 14:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35642481)
Hard to see how the consumer wins here.
Exactly my thoughts.

I'm also surprised by the lack of BT bashing. If SKY had snapped up these exclusive rights they'd be getting torn to shreds today.

I'm all for a shake up in the market but all I'm seeing is more and more sport disappearing behind a pay-wall.

Until people stop subscribing to the likes of SKY Sports and BT Sports this trend will forever continue.

Rightly or wrongly I preferred when pretty much everything was on SKY Sports. 1 subscription to access everything I wanted. Now I've got to pay for SKY Sports, BT Sports and Boxnation to access what I was able to watch as little as 8 years ago.

Bananaman_007 09-11-2013 14:16
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To be fair at least Jake Humphrey can get the players names right. Michael Owen can't even mange that. The few times i have watchec a match on BT i have had to turn off the sound as i could not bare the awful comments of Owen which 9/10 had nothing to do with what was happening it but some personal grudge he had against a player or team.

As for this news.... Can people not see BT striking a deal with one of the main 4 broadcasters for the FTA games? BT are going to surely have to many matches to screen themselves with the current channel line up. Also i can't see BT making the sport channel FTA every week for 1 game, it will also beg the question where are they going to show the other matches that are happening at the same time if that did happen.

alwaysabear 09-11-2013 14:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35642488)
Exactly my thoughts.

I'm also surprised by the lack of BT bashing. If SKY had snapped up these exclusive rights they'd be getting torn to shreds today.

I'm all for a shake up in the market but all I'm seeing is more and more sport disappearing behind a pay-wall.

Until people stop subscribing to the likes of SKY Sports and BT Sports this trend will forever continue.

Rightly or wrongly I preferred when pretty much everything was on SKY Sports. 1 subscription to access everything I wanted. Now I've got to pay for SKY Sports, BT Sports and Boxnation to access what I was able to watch as little as 8 years ago.
You are right !

harry_hitch 09-11-2013 14:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35642439)
Well that's a personal choice we will have to make Harry but lets just say its going to get a whole lot harder but remember there are many who spend a lot on alcohol and tobacco and that again is their own personal choice and nobody elses at the end of the day.
I do not smoke but I drink alcohol - not much admittedly, but it still my only vice. If the government make me pay for any medical bills that arise from any illness that comes from alcohol (however unlikely), then I will pay it. I certainly won't moan about it frequently considering I make a choice to carry on with my actions. It is my choice to drink sensible amounts alcohol and if need be, pay for the consequences. I will say say the same about smokers and the morbidly obese. They should pay their way to, if the government takes that route. Currently I am happy to shoulder my burden of the cost of the NHS. If that changes, so be it.

It is no different to the sports. If you want to continue with your actions please do so. Just stop making yourseslves (that is aimed at everyone moaning about prices) victims for something you can attempt to change.

denphone 09-11-2013 14:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35642488)
Exactly my thoughts.

I'm also surprised by the lack of BT bashing. If SKY had snapped up these exclusive rights they'd be getting torn to shreds today.

I'm all for a shake up in the market but all I'm seeing is more and more sport disappearing behind a pay-wall.

Until people stop subscribing to the likes of SKY Sports and BT Sports this trend will forever continue.

Rightly or wrongly I preferred when pretty much everything was on SKY Sports. 1 subscription to access everything I wanted. Now I've got to pay for SKY Sports, BT Sports and Boxnation to access what I was able to watch as little as 8 years ago.
Well Chad l have made my views perfectly clear many times but alas l suspect others in time and especially in 2015 l am sure will air their views as the buck starts to bite.

colin25 09-11-2013 14:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642494)
I do not smoke but I drink alcohol - not much admittedly, but it still my only vice. If the government make me pay for any medical bills that arise from any illness that comes from alcohol (however unlikely), then I will pay it. I certainly won't moan about it frequently considering I make a choice to carry on with my actions. It is my choice to drink sensible amounts alcohol and if need be, pay for the consequences. I will say say the same about smokers and the morbidly obese. They should pay their way to, if the government takes that route. Currently I am happy to shoulder my burden of the cost of the NHS. If that changes, so be it.

It is no different to the sports. If you want to continue with your actions please do so. Just stop making yourseslves (that is aimed at everyone moaning about prices) victims for something you can attempt to change.
Don't be silly. If i decided to protest, and not pay, i would not change a thing.

And if our actions were possible, would we not focus on power companies etc, and not tv sports?

thenry 09-11-2013 14:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35642485)
Who would be your choice?
I'm not entirely sure. I am though sure BT use the same broadcast team that do it for ITV ? Does that mean they will have first picks of those commentators on ITV ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bananaman_007 (Post 35642489)
To be fair at least Jake Humphrey can get the players names right. Michael Owen can't even mange that. The few times i have watchec a match on BT i have had to turn off the sound as i could not bare the awful comments of Owen which 9/10 had nothing to do with what was happening it but some personal grudge he had against a player or team.
That actually brings up a good suggestion for BT to ponder if they want to continue with their crap punditry team, presenter, commentators. Could they not have an audio option for just stadium audio, mute the commentators.

Humphrey sucks.

martin201002 09-11-2013 14:25
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I'd much prefer for sky to keep the rights.

harry_hitch 09-11-2013 14:41
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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35642481)
So each British team at least once and both finals free to air. So four Champions League matches and three Europa League matches and then the final four each competition. Or ten matches. The rest of the matches behind a pay wall, and for at least the first season of this rights cycle separated from those who choose to pay Sky for the bulk, and best, of the Premier League. Leaving consumers with a choice between competitions or paying two subscriptions to get what they currently get for one.

Hard to see how the consumer wins here.
We don't know BT's prices yet. they may only charge £5-£10 for the whole lot of CL football. They have not said they will put the whole price of BT Sports up or stop making it available for free to many consumers.

It is up to Sky to cut their prices now. They are saving hundreds of millions of pounds that they would have paid to show the tournament. If they don't pass that saving on, and the consumer continues to pay, more fool them.

---------- Post added at 14:41 ---------- Previous post was at 14:29 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35642496)
Don't be silly. If i decided to protest, and not pay, i would not change a thing.

And if our actions were possible, would we not focus on power companies etc, and not tv sports?
People need heat, electricity and water. People simply cannot give up basic utilities.

No-one "needs" sports. You are correct, one person would change much, but lots of cancellations given for the same reason would. I.E. No price decreases from Sky despite losing premium sporting content on Sky sports.

I can see I am making ripples with my comments, so I will drop this now. before it descends to another level. I have tried to make my views on the matter clear, but I would appear to be in a situation I can take no further.

For any replies that are posted on previous comments, I thank you for responding to them and I shall read them interest, but I will try not to answer them in case the mods deem me to be doing something wrong and/or taking the thread in the wrong direction. I apoloigize if I have.

johnathome 09-11-2013 14:43
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Having read the newspaper story i gota agree with Sky that BT massively overpaid, more than double the previous deal.

A comment on the Guardian website sums it up nicely, BT were forced to react by getting deeper into the pay tv market

Quote:
Ultimately, Sky can only blame itself for this. They should have stayed clear of Telecommunications business. They tried to get greedy and they have now provoked BT into taking desperate measures.

Taf 09-11-2013 15:00
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So Man Utd fans will now cancel their subscriptions and will opt for the History Channel instead?

spankysmagicpian 09-11-2013 15:37
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Interesting comment picked up on my travels. All in all, it may bring prices down

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As a small bar owner I couldn't be more happy!! Sky has continually priced us out of the market in the hope it drives people to their armchairs. Last year Sky wanted us to fork out £700 a month to show their sports coverage and given that consumers only want to see the top matches/events, the numbers just didn't stack up. BT, £75 a month!!

andy_m 09-11-2013 15:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642500)
We don't know BT's prices yet. they may only charge £5-£10 for the whole lot of CL football. They have not said they will put the whole price of BT Sports up or stop making it available for free to many consumers.

It is up to Sky to cut their prices now. They are saving hundreds of millions of pounds that they would have paid to show the tournament. If they don't pass that saving on, and the consumer continues to pay, more fool them.
My point is that currently you can watch one Champions League match from every match week, and every single Europa League match featuring two of the three English (or Welsh representatives of the English league!) teams competing in it, as well as both finals free to air. Whether you think BT are an anti Sky force for good or a corporate giant flexing it's financial muscles, the fact remains that you're going to get a lot less for free now they've got involved than you used to unless you want to pay for their broadband product, which is amongst the most expensive available, and if you want to watch every single Premier League and Champions League match then you'll have to pay for two subscriptions whereas you currently only need one.

muppetman11 09-11-2013 16:17
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Sky's response

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"We bid with a clear view of what the rights are worth to us. It seems BT chose to pay far in excess of our valuation," read a statement from Sky.
"There are many ways in which we can invest in our service for customers. We take a disciplined approach and there is always a level at which we will choose to focus on something else. If we thought it was worth more, we'd have paid more.
"Nothing changes until 2015 and we look forward to 18 more months of live Champions League on Sky Sports. We will now re-deploy resources and continue to bring customers the best choice of TV across our offering."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/24882293

johnathome 09-11-2013 16:31
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I'd love to know what the Sky/ITV bid was

spankysmagicpian 09-11-2013 16:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642500)
It is up to Sky to cut their prices now. They are saving hundreds of millions of pounds that they would have paid to show the tournament. If they don't pass that saving on, and the consumer continues to pay, more fool them.
Nooooooooo chance. They are going to stick their many millions of pounds they have saved and keep it for a rainy day which will be when the PL packages come around again. They simply can't afford to not have the bulk of PL games. I wouldn't be surprised if Sky lost the bulk of the PL league games next round and BT grabbed them, all three (Sky, VM* and BT) would be pretty much level on subscriber numbers once it had all settled down.

*assuming that BT was still free on XL

nstokes 09-11-2013 16:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35642508)
So Man Utd fans will now cancel their subscriptions and will opt for the History Channel instead?
Nope, i will not be doing that :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35642546)
I'd love to know what the Sky/ITV bid was
Same here.

What about this for an after thought. What rights are due to expire on Sky in 2018? Thats correct F1. I see BT putting in a bid to get hold of the F1 rights as well.

Also what do you think Sky will use to fill in the gaps on the channels that CL will have left?

denphone 09-11-2013 17:01
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35642539)
Well what else could they say apart from Sky's giving its side of the inconvenient truth for them.

muppetman11 09-11-2013 17:05
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35642585)
Well what else could they say apart from Sky's giving its side of the inconvenient truth for them.
We'll have to see how it all pans out Den , frankly I'm not too bothered which broadcaster has what its the price what counts for me and sadly its beginning to get too expensive , I can see myself cancelling all the sport or maybe switching to VM for free BT Sport until the 2015/16 season then assessing my options again should a new deal for BT Sport in XL not be reached.

denphone 09-11-2013 17:11
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35642594)
We'll have to see how it all pans out Den , frankly I'm not too bothered which broadcaster has what its the price what counts for me and sadly its beginning to get too expensive , I can see myself cancelling all the sport or maybe switching to VM for free BT Sport until the 2015/16 season then assessing my options again should a new deal for BT Sport in XL not be reached.
Indeed while BT Sport is free on Virgin then l will be quite content but if that changes and the odds are that it will in 2015 then l like many will have to consider my options because there is no way l am going to pay a extra £15 to £20 for a extra subscription.

Bananaman_007 09-11-2013 17:13
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35642599)
Indeed while BT Sport is free on Virgin then l will be quite content but if that changes and the odds are that it will in 2015 then l like many will have to consider my options because there is no way l am going to pay a extra £15 to £20 for a extra subscription.
Somebody pointed out earlier in the thread that BT and VM have a 3 year deal for the channels to be in XL, so if anything changes it will not be until summer 2016.

denphone 09-11-2013 17:17
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Yes you are indeed right so thanks for that.

Khenryashley 09-11-2013 17:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bananaman_007 (Post 35642601)
Somebody pointed out earlier in the thread that BT and VM have a 3 year deal for the channels to be in XL, so if anything changes it will not be until summer 2016.
Just watched itv news. The Bt man said there will be a charge to watch CL games. I suggest this will be a separate subscription from the PL games.
This will probably mean a separate agreement with VM.
The final will be fta and a few group games along the way.
We will wait and see in18 months. Won't worry till then.

andy_m 09-11-2013 17:57
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Originally Posted by Bananaman_007 (Post 35642601)
Somebody pointed out earlier in the thread that BT and VM have a 3 year deal for the channels to be in XL, so if anything changes it will not be until summer 2016.
That was me, but then somebody else trumped it with the suggestion that BT could launch another channel outside of the Virgin agreement.

denphone 09-11-2013 17:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35642635)
That was me, but then somebody else trumped it with the suggestion that BT could launch another channel outside of the Virgin agreement.
And for all we know there could be a clause in the current contract that allows for this.

johnathome 09-11-2013 18:20
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Yeah VM seem to get caught out with new channels being launched that weren't
negotiated as a possablity when they do the deal.

Does the agreement with VM finish at the end of the 2015/2016 season? Is that when BT PL rights run out?
TBH BT would have been better going for the Saturday teatime slot.

Dave42 09-11-2013 18:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35642539)
there be putting on the saving on premier leagues right bid to make sure they win most matches

spankysmagicpian 09-11-2013 19:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35642557)
Also what do you think Sky will use to fill in the gaps on the channels that CL will have left?
Body building and The All Star South American Donkey Derby Knockout Tournament

denphone 09-11-2013 19:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian (Post 35642701)
Body building and The All Star South American Donkey Derby Knockout Tournament
So Arnie might make a comeback after all.;)

spankysmagicpian 09-11-2013 19:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35642635)
That was me, but then somebody else trumped it with the suggestion that BT could launch another channel outside of the Virgin agreement.
Oh jeez, that's all we need....If I don't, someone else will. Ahem.

Rumour: BT Sport 3 to Launch on VirginMedia by Summer 2016. (Not been confirmed by insiders yet)

Don't forget, you heard it here first ;)

johnathome 09-11-2013 19:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian (Post 35642711)
Oh jeez, that's all we need....If I don't, someone else will. Ahem.

Rumour: BT Sport 3 to Launch on VirginMedia by Summer 2016. (Not been confirmed by insiders yet)
Rumour: ESPN to be re-branded BT Sport 3 (not been confirmed by anyone yet)

denphone 09-11-2013 20:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian (Post 35642711)
Oh jeez, that's all we need....If I don't, someone else will. Ahem.

Rumour: BT Sport 3 to Launch on VirginMedia by Summer 2016. (Not been confirmed by insiders yet)

Don't forget, you heard it here first ;)
And in shiny HD.:)

harry_hitch 09-11-2013 20:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian (Post 35642711)
Oh jeez, that's all we need....If I don't, someone else will. Ahem.

Rumour: BT Sport 3 to Launch on VirginMedia by Summer 2016. (Not been confirmed by insiders yet)

Don't forget, you heard it here first ;)
:LOL:

thenry 09-11-2013 20:28
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BT may have to do an Al Jazeera :shocked:

HD 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

http://www.en.aljazeerasport.tv/Schedule

its a shame the broadcasting rights over here rule out 2:45pm-5:15pm broadcasts of live footy. it would be nuts if that rule was killed off.

Chad 09-11-2013 20:30
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Looks like BT Sports and Boxnation are being linked again:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/g...e-8919309.html

"It is also anticipated that next year BT will challenge Sky's boxing supremacy, linking up with Frank Warren's burgeoning BoxNation, whose ex-chief executive Simon Green is now BT's head of sport."

Lostlam 09-11-2013 20:42
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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35642729)
BT may have to do an Al Jazeera :shocked:

HD 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

http://www.en.aljazeerasport.tv/Schedule

its a shame the broadcasting rights over here rule out 2:45pm-5:15pm broadcasts of live footy. it would be nuts if that rule was killed off.
I personally find this rule stupid, as there are several ways to watch matches taking place during that time fame.

I get the fact it is so people go to watch the matches, but the rule doesn't apply everywhere.

---------- Post added at 20:42 ---------- Previous post was at 20:41 ----------

I know it ain't a big deal, but I heard ITV and BBC are fighting for the CL/EL highlight rights. People could be content with that.

andy_m 09-11-2013 20:56
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The stupid thing is, allowing matches to be televised at 3pm would mean that both the tv companies and the clubs would be forced in to working harder for our business. I wouldn't mind, but it's not even as if it really makes a difference. My club are bottom of the Premier League, I should imagine the least attractive proposition to neutral fans in the entire division, and yet today, against Everton, we played out first 3pm home kick off of the season! Being able to watch a match on the tv at 3pm on a Saturday would have kept me away from precisely one match so far this year.

harry_hitch 09-11-2013 21:22
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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35642761)
The stupid thing is, allowing matches to be televised at 3pm would mean that both the tv companies and the clubs would be forced in to working harder for our business. I wouldn't mind, but it's not even as if it really makes a difference. My club are bottom of the Premier League, I should imagine the least attractive proposition to neutral fans in the entire division, and yet today, against Everton, we played out first 3pm home kick off of the season! Being able to watch a match on the tv at 3pm on a Saturday would have kept me away from precisely one match so far this year.
I think it is designed to help those clubs in the lower leagues. If a reasonably loyal fan of Bristol Rovers, who watches many home games and who supports Liverpool as their "second team" had a choice of watching Bristol Rovers v York City while it is very cold and raining or Liverpool V Everton at 3 P.M on Sky or B.T, I think many people would stay in the comfort of their home and watch Liverpool v Everton.

This scenario would ruin many lower league teams.

johnathome 09-11-2013 21:35
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Apparently Sky/ITV bid £720m for the CL/UEFA rights

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...ue-rights.html

harry_hitch 09-11-2013 21:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35642772)
Apparently Sky/ITV bid £720m for the CL/UEFA rights

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...ue-rights.html
LOL, they nearly doubled their bid and still have the nerve to chastise BT for spending what they did.

The irony being Sky would have put their prices up again anyway.

Perhaps all other businesses should stop bidding and just let Sky do what they want and charge what they want. It is bound to be better to let Sky have a monopoly. :rolleyes:

johnathome 09-11-2013 22:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642776)
LOL, they nearly doubled their bid and still have the nerve to chastise BT for spending what they did.

The irony being Sky would have put their prices up again anyway.

Perhaps all other businesses should stop bidding and just let Sky do what they want and charge what they want. It is bound to be better to let Sky have a monopoly. :rolleyes:
Whats interesting in that link it says they went back to Sky to see if they wanted to up their bid, they did that in some other rights as well.

It seems like these bodies are trying to shaft BT?

andy_m 09-11-2013 22:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642771)
I think it is designed to help those clubs in the lower leagues. If a reasonably loyal fan of Bristol Rovers, who watches many home games and who supports Liverpool as their "second team" had a choice of watching Bristol Rovers v York City while it is very cold and raining or Liverpool V Everton at 3 P.M on Sky or B.T, I think many people would stay in the comfort of their home and watch Liverpool v Everton.

This scenario would ruin many lower league teams.
I understand the purpose of the rule but the opinion that it's based on dates back to the 60's, and was disputed by the European Court of Justice in 2011. In addition only Austria, England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Georgia, Montenegro and the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia bother to block broadcasting hours.

I guess you'd have to ask fans in, for example, Germany if their game is suffering as a result...

Lostlam 09-11-2013 22:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642771)
I think it is designed to help those clubs in the lower leagues. If a reasonably loyal fan of Bristol Rovers, who watches many home games and who supports Liverpool as their "second team" had a choice of watching Bristol Rovers v York City while it is very cold and raining or Liverpool V Everton at 3 P.M on Sky or B.T, I think many people would stay in the comfort of their home and watch Liverpool v Everton.

This scenario would ruin many lower league teams.
I get what you are saying, but for most people 3pm kick offs can be watch regardless. It would be better business for broadcasters, but probably not for the clubs. I am sure this rule won't be around much longer, as it has already been disputed recently.

Mad Max 09-11-2013 22:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35642637)
And for all we know there could be a clause in the current contract that allows for this.
and for all we know Atlantic will be here on Monday!

harry_hitch 09-11-2013 22:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35642786)
I understand the purpose of the rule but the opinion that it's based on dates back to the 60's, and was disputed by the European Court of Justice in 2011. In addition only Austria, England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Georgia, Montenegro and the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia bother to block broadcasting hours.

I guess you'd have to ask fans in, for example, Germany if their game is suffering as a result...
Germany is a very different set-up altogether though. It is successful on many different levels. I get the impression from the German league (and from various sources I have read regarding it's current state) is that it is broadly designed not to have foreign owners, put the fans first and to improve the national team first and foremost.

I do not know if the better earning clubs pay lower clubs money from their revenue or if lower clubs get compensation from TV companies for lack of fans at the grounds. I happy to be informed of the current deal regarding lower league clubs. If they survive on their own, I will be very surprised.

Over here people are told the PL is the best league in the world, it should have the best players in the world and people should pay through the nose for the privilege.

How well are the Spanish, Greek, Turkish, Swiss, Russian, Irish, Croatian, Ukranian, Polish, Danish leagues doing though? Other than Barca or RM the most of the successful players from these leagues all play abroad (with deals for players costing many millions for clubs that have to sell to survive) and not in national leagues.

As for the ECJ, well, that is just sticking it's nose in places where it does not belong. Is it really an injustice if a glory supporter in Devon can't watch Man Utd at 3 P.M?

spankysmagicpian 09-11-2013 23:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian (Post 35642711)
Oh jeez, that's all we need....If I don't, someone else will. Ahem.

Rumour: BT Sport 3 to Launch on VirginMedia by Summer 2016. (Not been confirmed by insiders yet)
Stop Press : Channel confirmed as 'coming soon' as no one has heard a dicky bird about it and no official confirmation has been forthcoming so it must be happening ...errrr init.

colin25 09-11-2013 23:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642776)
LOL, they nearly doubled their bid and still have the nerve to chastise BT for spending what they did.

The irony being Sky would have put their prices up again anyway.

Perhaps all other businesses should stop bidding and just let Sky do what they want and charge what they want. It is bound to be better to let Sky have a monopoly. :rolleyes:
lol..I get the feeling you are anti-sky.

Chad 10-11-2013 01:00
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Does anyone know what the next big set of sporting rights are that will be up for grabs? Football and non-football?


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