Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

OK I have confirmed things with BBC now for next week, so it is definitely going ahead. I will post more stuff later but I have to go to a meeting just now.

Alexander Hanff

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Cheers Mark, the maths added up but the trades were so close together it was hard to separate them :dunce:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Guys i am a bit concerned and could be totally barking mad as i have just noticed something which may or may not affect me and would like peoples opinion from a vm customers point of view i had problems of a very peculiar type which seem now to coincide with the time that bt has admitted to the bt 2007 trials. but with virgin media being my supplier could they have done similar trials at the same time?

I am only asking this as i last year noticed very unusuall latency a time after i was upgraded onto 20mb i was also at the same time having some sort of machine latency issue (I have built and repaired a number of pc's through out my time).

How do i know as a customer that these irregular happening's were not down to virgin media testing phorm kit in secret as there was no way of me as a user knowing as they could have been testing out the stealth aspect which nothing could detect at the time when no one knew about it?.

If my problems were related to it and virgin media were at a later date to come out and admit to also taking part in trials at a date where i was having those problems even though i had no evidence on my actuall machine, given the scope at which dr clayton talked about system and network degredation at the time he viewed this kit (it could have been modified to work better by this time this year).

Could i use call records or my recipts of having to replace hardware at that time to bring about any type of criminal proceedings?.

I could be 100% barking mad but was just something i have just realised might not have any relevance at all (and could be quick to dismiss by vm as spyware for my operating system or network congestion for the latency issue).

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Another article about the meeting, adding little but I'll report it just the same as it popped in my inbox recently.

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/188361/p...d-herring.html

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Thanks. I'm cheesed off enough with the idea that they will be exploiting the information on my site being read by visitors for their commercial gain; the thought that it could also cost me money by putting up my bandwidth didn't bear thinking about!

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Tinfoil hat methinks.

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Well might be tinfoil hat time indeed but look at my join date for this board then if virgin media do come out and admit to any trials would i have a case thats all im asking?

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Long time lurker, 1st time poster.

The attitudes of some people in this forum seem (atleast in my opinion) to reflect an air of futility with regards to keeping phorm off British network equipment. This is again reflected with key Phorm spokesmen to an extent also.

Not meaning to get off topic here in any regard but i find it reminiscant of Wal-Mart vs Englewood where Wal-Mart (the largest company on the face of the earth) wished to build a store in the district of california and was met with a less than warm response from the community.

Lee Scott's own words where along the lines of "Just because a small portion of a community doesnt want us in their community, Does that mean we're not going to go?" only to have this small group of upstarts completely thwart the companies attempts to pay off state senators (for zoning permissions) and attempting to keep the community out of the states community planning procedures.
Its frankly one of the best success stories I've ever heard, whereby David took on not only Goliath but his entire clan.

For more information on this event i recomend people watch "Wal-mart; The high cost of low prices" Its an interesting view on corporate greed from battery farming of humans, a business model that ties in close to the mark of what Phorm wish to achieve.

</offtopic>

Back on track, has anyone here had a response from any parliamentary figure regarding Phorm?
So far ive contacted almost every MSP (im Scottish) i can track down via email, postal mail and even a few by telephone (to which ive been frankly dismissed) Ive contacted Labour officials, SNP officials, Conservative, and even Socialist figures (whom i figured would be positively ravenous to take up the torch)
None of my communications have been offensive, overly technical or inflamitory (i chose my wording to officials carefully), sticking to purely laymans terms and hard facts backed by evidence as opposed to scaremongering and opinionated drivel.
I find it appaling that none of my Government representatives, the people elected to voice my concerns on the political stage want anything to do with the fiasco.
I've yet to even hear an excuse and am instead confronted with stoic silence.

Anyone else had any success in contacting their government reps?

[edit]
I should have mentioned that i am neither a BT/Virgin/CWH customer, im on an ISP that thus far has had nothing to do with Phorm (although i dont see it as a stretch that they would easily bandwaggon should a rollout prove to be sucessful)

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It seems that LiveLeak.com doesn't like the videos. I've asked for an explanation of why they have been rejected as the footage is of a public meeting at which people were invited to bring cameras.

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Was there some reason not to just put them on youtube?

I'll download them now and get on with it if you like ( with full credit and links )

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They're all over 10 minutes long which I understand is the limit on YouTube. To avoid even the remotest chance of accusations of editing in any way I don't want them split. Apologies if this sounds dodgy but I want the videos seen full, unedited and raw.

I've e-mailed Chris Williams at The Register. LiveLeak seem happy to carry footage of Saddam's hanging but not this. Seems a bit odd, that.

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:welcome: Chroma very good post, i also like your "battery farming of humans" reference, nice and punchy, yet another good soundbite line for Click! perhaps ;)

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Ah I see. I shall see what can be done. ( my friend has a file host site, i'm not sure if he does embedded stuff though )


regarding Liveleak: I know that Phorm are due to announce a partnership with a large 'social networking' site but I'm not sure it has anything to do with Liveleak. They may of course be not wanting to upset future partnerships. I suspect Facebook are waiting for Phorm to get the greenlight given their tie-in with 80/20.

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Jaqui smiths live webchat is now on please go post i already have :).

http://www.number10.gov.uk/output/Page15259.asp

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well...... theres always the chance you might get VM to host them on the internal FTP servers ROTFL.

now that would be fun if you can find the tw/VM admins that look after the VM/tw freeware linux server space and get permission to host them there..... anyone know who that is, any CF VM employee member reading that can arrange that! :erm:

CJ, im reading the faq and it says in part this
http://www.liveleak.com/faq
"
Rejected media:
LiveLeak.com reserves the right to reject media for public viewing at the staff members' discretion.

We have set high standards with our staff when it comes to impartiality.

If you think you have had media unfairly rejected, we ask that you use the contact form and we will investigate your claim.

Rejected media is not deleted.

You can still share the links and have it viewable to the outside world.

It merely means that your media was not deemed suitable for the public areas of the site.

There are several reasons for this, your post could be a recent repost or material which cannot (or should not) be shown publicly.

We reserve the right to reject non-newsworthy graphic media or any media glorifying violence or death. "

so is it viewable now?

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I've spent all morning working with these videos and stuff. Liveleak have really annoyed me. I'm in danger of quoting Bill Hicks again...

Anyway, crank up Whole Lotta Love 'cos here's the CaptainJamie video countdown... Yeah man, play that air guitar...

Coming in at number 5 is Dr Richard Clayton's Q&A session where the good Doctor adds meat to the bones of cookies and redirection - 47 downloads

Sliding in at number 4 is Kent Ertegrul's presentation where Krafty Kent keeps saying "That's an interesting question" - 80 downloads

First wicket down at number 3 is the good Doctor again with his Problems With Phorm presentation - 88 downloads

You might be asking "Who does Number Two work for?"** Well, you'll see it's Simon Davies with his introduction to Tuesday's public meeting - 114 downloads.

Holding top spot with more views than anyone else is our very own Alexander Hanff with his fine speech on social, legal and historical context - 142 downloads


**Sorry, I couldn't resist making this joke. The toilet scene in Austin Powers makes me cry with laughter. Apologies for any offence caused, this countdown is offered in jest.

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No. All five videos have been deleted.

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I've just emailed all 3 leaders of the 3 main political parties, I'll be interested to read their replies.

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I use Google video, for all the video I host for our charity web site.

Unlimited bandwidth. and almost unlimited file size and length. My longest video is 1 hour 30 mins

The advantage of Google video would be that if enough people viewed, they would end up in the top 100 most viewed and get a much bigger audiance

Plug for my website. sorry a bit off topic.

I founded and run a small international charity called Costellokids. My daughter Helaina was the 23rd person diagnosed in the world with Costello Syndrome, and I am proud to say that last year she was one of the UK's Children of Courage winners. ;)

Visit our website at

http://costellokids.com

As well as founding and runing the charity I am also the webmaster of Costellokids.

Without Google we would be in a bandwith mess, I host 34 videos, and use a lot of bandwidth each month.

--------------------------
....See PHORMPRTEAM ... google provide a service to the user. And I hve no problem sharing my searches in exchange for a free service.

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I just received this response to my letter to one of my MEPs almost a month ago. As I forgot in that initial letter to ask permission/inform them that I would publish their response I am not going to name them

Dear ** *******,

Thank you for bringing this matter to my attention.

I very much share in your concerns over the ability of companies to monitor
people's online behaviour for marketing purposes, given the possibility that
this monitoring could lead to the misuse of personal information.

My colleague in Westminster, Don Foster, who is the Liberal Democrat
spokesperson for culture, media and sport, recently wrote to the Chairman of
BT asking him to account for the company's secret piloting of the "Phorm"
system last summer. BT has now said that its trial was a purely technical
one and that no personal information was processed, stored or disclosed.

As far as I'm aware, EU regulation states that subscribers must be given
full explanation about how information relating to their online activities
will be used before they themselves consent to it being used by third
parties. Since I received your email, the UK Information Commissioner has
clarified this to an extent, ruling that internet users must opt-in to
"Phorm" rather than opt-out, which is encouraging - especially as far as
less experienced internet users are concerned.
http://news.bbc.co.uk:80/1/hi/technology/7339263.stm

But I realise that there are still many questions surrounding exactly how
this opt-in system will work in practice. At a public hearing in January the
European Parliament's Civil Liberties Committee came to general agreement
that IP addresses constitute personal data, and, as such, any threat to
their security must be treated with the utmost seriousness. I hope that the
Information Commissioner acts quickly to further clarify the situation.

Thanks again for contacting me about this important matter.

Yours sincerely,

************************************************** ************************

Although the response took almost a month to come back overall I am pleased. Gotta dash. Be back later.

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Thanks for the tip. I'll see what Chris Williams advises before I do anything further on the video stuff. Got a few things to do round the hangar here.

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LOL it got posted to ElREg and that threads gone real quiet, they must all be submiting questions with jaqui, no phorm questions got through yet thought ;(

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hehe, she got hammered there id bet, they can see all the questions even if they didnt talk about them.

"Jacqui says: Thank you for all the questions - there's been a good range of issues and I've enjoyed the chance to hear what's on your minds. I've got to go now, but hope to be able to do this again soon.
"
ROTFL PHORM

i wonder if "Judicial Review" got mentioned as per the reg thread !

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@ OF1975

Its been well over a few months now, i started mailing back in mid february and have still to recieve any kind of response from anyone. I may just be requesting responses from the wrong people i guess.
Glad to hear that you have had some success however.

Could you perhaps send him a response pointing to the AOL Data Scandal of August 2006? (wiki or The Light Blue Touchpaper article) and stress strongly that IP addresses whilst relevent and a major leap in European Parliamentary discussions, is not the be all and end all of personal privacy.

Its easy to identify individuals without obtaining their respective IP addresses as AOL rapidly and somewhat embarrasingly discovered.

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Yes and I have tried to get that message over to Simon Watkin but for some reasons he just doesn't seem to get the message from his last reply to me and another member of this forum.

I will re-read his email over the week end while in Wales and decide where next..

In the upcoming elections labour will not get my vote.

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given the information on this thread and the reg etc we can do far better than that id hope, the AOL and TLBTPA are old news now and given the latest florence and other responses here.

the PIA, alexanders paper and all the rest, it is we and chris who are the key supplyers of current information and we should make sure everyone gets it in good time and in full.

perhaps a bullet points text should be made, and added to as new information appears, if anyone is up for that task given the 255 pages of posts so far , its a big ask, but a werthy project to keep it all straight if its taken on...

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This assertion by Phorm that IP addresses are some how personal, and Phorms UID is some how not... That bit always makes my teeth grind.

The 'number' cookie is called 'UID' by name (Phorms choice of name).

A User ID.

An identifier for a user. A unique identifier for a specific user.

An ip address is more anonymous. A third party couldn't know who it was associated with.

On the other hand, if I can get your UID (and currently it looks trivial to do so using either Javascript or leaks on non standard/https requests)... I have identified you regardless of your IP address.

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Agreed but I think the pointing out of the AOL scandal makes sense because the 'anonymous' data being 'unanonymized?' was a documented fact that has happened and will happen again but on a much larger scale.

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Without wishing to seem churlish, I made that exact request back on page 7 and was firmly slapped down.

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indeed , it was not my intent to exclude it, but rather expand it to include everything so far and a easy to follow list.

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again , fine, good call, who slapped it down and why, it seems only logical..... so did you start it off and have something as a base.....

im busy with other related stuff but try my best to keep it in mind, no lists but its getting to long even for me to remember all key points ( im getting old ;) and forget easyer these days ...):erm:

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it never ends..... doh.

i am trying to find the link for the credit reference agencys reported to be looking into using the phorm like DPI Kit, i didnt find it but yet another bank personal data release came up in the travels

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai.../cmfraud14.xml
"
Beware banks making fraudian slips
Last Updated: 4:02pm BST 15/04/2008
Page 1 of 2

The admission by HSBC that it lost details of 37,000 clients highlights - yet again - the dangers of ID theft, writes Nic Cicutti "

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Found this earlier

http://www.confidentialresource.com/

which leads to

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle3688387.ece

it mentions Experian using a phorm like system

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thanks....thats the one.

on the phorm matter, is it just me or does it seem PRphorm are busy doing the old US election tricks of supplying re-written news stories and supplying them to the news outlets.....for free, latest phorm news by "insert your auther here"

yet another pro- phorm bit of news copy here
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/...e-money_1.html

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I wonder what the possibility is of an ISP signing up to more than one of these spyware systems. Imagine how awful your browsing would be no matter what speed connection you were on.

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It seems like i've read exacty this same 'news' article virtually word for word on numerous sites over the past few weeks.

Lazy journalism at its worst

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OK some more details on next week. It is going to be a kind of David and Goliath scenario, just myself and Kent will be present, so I am going to pick out the pebbles which will give the most accurate flight from my sling.

The show will be recorded at Olympiad Exhibition Centre during ITSec next Tuesday.

This of course means, I will be at ITSec before and after the interview so if any-one is at the conference and wants to meet up for a coffee and a chat at some point give me a shout via PM on these boards.

Alexander Hanff

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perhaps someone might write a joke script thats tracks these pre-phormed news copy and inserts a Bob/Eliza non con-phormed response, bound to be faster than the PhormPR can respond ;) if they want to play that game...

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Added a comment in response but accidentally double posted when safari gave me a bizarre error and I thought first attempt hadn't succeeded.

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ohh ITSEc, cool, you will be with some very influential guys there Alexander, needs careful wording and lots of hard hiting sound bites mixed in with the latest and greatest product or innovation at the show to get full coverage.

we are reasonably sure of kents lines, but the PR might have him switch and its good to keep an eye open and watch for these signs.....

being in IT for so long Alexander your in your element i take it? :angel:

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Well Phorm certainly seem to be on the back foot at the moment. They hired a Privacy executive yesterday and on Tuesday at the meeting, they never once mentioned the Anti-phishing service with regards to benefit to the consumers; instead they changed their focus to monetising blogs (trying to get the blog community onside) and lower ISP prices for customers (which is nothing more than speculation there has been no indication of this in any of the press and media coverage or any official statements from the parties involved.)

A quick point on that ISP price drop as well. Considering BT have what something like 1.3M broadband customers? Bt are expected to make something along the lines of 84M over a 4-5 year period from the Phorm deal which lets be generous and say is 20M per year in extra revenue. So there is potential for prices to drop although I can't see it being significant as the entire system is supposed to offset the low margins for broadband provision, so BT would be reluctant I expect to give any of that money back to the consumers, a couple of pounds at best I suspect. Personally my Privacy is worth a great deal more to me that 20-30 GBP per year, in fact I am pretty sure that BT could never offer me a price high enough for my privacy.

I expect we will see more of the same next week.

Alexander Hanff

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One thing that has me stumped so far is from the register story where it says:

"BT customers who have attempted to report the secret listening and profiling experiments to the police have been told to approach the Home Office. One was subsequently told over email by an official: "It is important to remember that private companies such as ISPs are allowed to do certain things under section 3 of [the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act] that Law Enforcement Agencies cannot do without permission."

Now, with the caveat that law isn't my strong point, I fail to see anything in section 3 of RIPA that would get the ISPs of the hook on this one. Am I missing something or are the Home Office just using any old excuse to try avoid doing their duty on this issue?

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I think an important thing is to establish, right at the beginning that what both concerns the laws (that you have already explored in great depth) and the customers, is what happens to traffic/data prior to anonymisation. That will hopefully render any further speeches from Kent along the "we don't collect or store personal data" themes null and void; as of course, when the time comes for anonymising the data arrives, it is already too late for non consented data to be harvested. It really needs to be hammered home that his argument is in fact completely academic, irrelevant, useless etc. and he ought to move on.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Just the Home Office being utterly incompetent. They have obviously been ill-inphormed by their phormsultants.

Alexander Hanff

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lol, given your in your element, perhaps you can talk click! into leting you be a peoples co-host and do a few tech specials, and then be in a position to drop some more sound bites in the clips lol, if only....

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arr the penny drops, thats were it came from, sounds like cotton-bull to me , that official wants to re-read the rules as set out, wrong and wrong is my opinion.....

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Unlikely lol.

It is rumoured that Kent didn't want me there as he feels I am not representing any specific group and so I am not relevant. So nice to know he looks on me with such high regard.

I should add that he was the only person on Tuesday who completely ignored me both at the meeting and the gathering afterwards. No gentleman's handshake, not even a hello.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

:ninja::rofl::walk::smokin:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

What was I saying earlier about a lack of class....?

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I thought so. Just wanted it confirmed by your more knowledgeable self. With regards to the click interview I think its great.

One thing that has to be said about Phorm is that they are learning. They have stopped their PR people coming here with their copy and paste obfuscated answers which only served to stir the hornets nest. Then they invited Dr Richard Clayton to carry out the technical analysis report so we finally got some much needed answers. Now the hiring of a Chief Privacy Officer. Then there is the fact that Kent gave up on the old "anti-phishing as a benefit" line that was so easily refuted. I don't know whether to be thankful or worried by these changes.

Now they just need to learn that they aren't wanted, needed, useful, acceptable or legal. Then we can all get ready for the battle to kill off NebuAd LOL

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Afraid I didn't even make a start on compiling a chronological highlights list -- it should be easier now with the benefit of hindsight.
But imho it would need to be a closed (or at least, very strictly moderated) thread which means the CF Team ought to do it themselves or nominate the participants.

Short-term memory, no never been a problem.
What's my name again?
:D

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He has probably realized that you, as an eloquent spokesman for joe public, are far more likely to put nails in the coffin of phorm than the combined might of the home office, the media and privacy groups in general.

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I'd ask Kent if he could divulge exactly how many ISPs have used his system on live users in trials or other guises in the UK. If he won't answer that, then have VM or Talk Talk carried out a trial prior to signing up his company.

I'd also ask how he expected to entice users to opt in to a true opt in system? What sort of things would they be told. After hearing his waffle, then point out all the things they would not be told.

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Ok its now fastly approaching 48 hours since the meeting took place and still no sight of the professionally filmed footage being made available. I am starting to get suspicious as to the reasons why. In the spirit of "transparency" which was mentioned at the meeting at the very least we should be given some information on when and where this footage will be made available.

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Evening,
A long time lurker and now a member because of Phorm.
A thought; now that there are statements in the public domain from the Home Office regarding their non-involvement, does this not now mean that we could apply for a judicial review into their, (Home Office,) actions - or rather non-actions.
The fee for initial application is only £50, with a further £180 due on acceptance.
Maybe someone with more knowledge of the system would know.

Also, has anything come of the suggestion of the Amazon Wish List for Alexander?

Colin

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My understanding is that 80/20T have been out of the country on other business since yesterday morning, which would explain the delays. That information is just based on some chat at the gathering on Tuesday night, so I don't know how accurate it is and therefore don't offer it as a statement of fact.

Alexander Hanff

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I was too tired to set it up last night Colin and I have been incredibly busy today (literally non stop) with my academic commitments and organising this BBC "Click" interview.

I will try and get it done later on this evening when my son has gone to bed.

Alexander Hanff

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I think its also about time we had an answer to the 'debugging and research logs' question which completely contradict their 'we collect no data' line.

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I'd go even further.

Alexander, why not let Kent have specific *legal* questions, say 24 hours before, so that he can't use "not having a QC handy" as an excuse for not answering?

He'd look a right plonker if you can then ask him on camera: "You've had 24 hrs notice, is your legal team in Moscow too?"

:)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That was answered in the meeting on Tuesday, but it might have been in the Q&A part at the end of the meeting which would explain why people may not be aware of it.

Allegedly the logging mechanism has now been changed and only errors and network messages are stored in the Debug logs now.

Alexander Hanff

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Welcome to CF, Colin.
As you can see by the size of the thread, we're a quiet and retiring bunch...

:juggle:

Or just set up a secondary paypal account that we can throw pennies into?

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It won't be possible to ask any questions on the legal issues (for the same reason it wasn't at the PIA meeting) so it would be fruitless me wasting the little time I have trying to force questions which are either not going to be answered or are likely to be shot down by the host.

I am not going to say what I am going to talk about because as we know Phorm are right here watching and I wouldn't want to give Kent an unfair advantage.

We need to look at this as a public awareness exercise. BBC "Click" is part of the BBC World section of the BBC and airs to literally hundreds of millions of people, so it is a perfect opportunity to get the message out to the public who don't read forums, or blogs or online news sites. I fully intend to take advantage of that because I am confident that the more people know about this issue, the less likelihood it has of ever coming into fruition.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Interesting article, Two consumer groups in the US have asked the Federal Trade Commission to create a "do not track list" that would allow computer users to bar advertisers from collecting information about them.

http://www.reuters.com/article/techn...080416?sp=true

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The Divshare videos are still there for now. I'm working on something which doesn't have the bandwidth restrictions. When that's done I'll put that up too.

Simon's introduction to the meeting
Divshare 1: http://www.divshare.com/download/4272837-af5
Divshare 2: http://www.divshare.com/download/4277045-b75

Kent's presentation
Divshare 1: http://www.divshare.com/download/4273355-a42
Divshare 2: http://www.divshare.com/download/4277485-cad

Dr Richard's presentation
Divshare 1: http://www.divshare.com/download/4272983-3b5
Divshare 2: http://www.divshare.com/download/4277138-305

Dr Richard's QA
Divshare 1: http://www.divshare.com/download/4273114-0ee
Divshare 2: http://www.divshare.com/download/4277168-e83

Alexander's speech
Divshare 1: http://www.divshare.com/download/4273200-ecb
Divshare 2: http://www.divshare.com/download/4276949-782

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Thanks for the important information Alexander. I will cut them some slack then in the interests of fairness :)

Thats great news if it got answered as I cant tell you how frustrated I was by the fact that Phorms PR team just would not answer that question. I lost count of how many times I asked it here. I asked the PR team questions about the "research and debug logs" numerous times on other blogs too so I look forward to seeing it on the footage. With the logging mechanism now changed as you described I am somewhat reassured.

It was that word "research" that had me most concerned because if you remember back to the AOL debacle of 2006 that "anonymised" (cough, cough) information was released under the guise of research.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Damn!
Of course, you're right. Does that mean we'll only get to 'cross swords' on the legal aspects if it gets into court?

:cleader::xmas::cleader:

(Sorry, that's the nearest I could find to 'running around the room waving my hands in the air'!)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hi all. My first post

This is an email I recently sent to the following euro MP's

Dear Arlene McCarthy, Gary Titley, Chris Davies, Robert Atkins, John
Whittaker, Sajjad Karim, Den Dover, Brian Simpson and David Sumberg,

I am writing to enquire as to whether or not EU rules cover the
possible implementation of the PHORM advertising, possibly to be used
soon by Virgin Media, BT, Talk Talk etc. The use of this adware/spyware
will be, in my opinion a breach of privacy laws and or data protection
laws. I just can't believe that these companies could be so cavalier in
their approach to their customers online privacy. Thank you for your
attention.

Yours sincerely,

Mr. George Blocksidge

This is the reply I have just received

Dear Mr Blocksidge,

Thank you for your email regarding the issue of Phorm.

I would like to assure you that Sir Robert considers this to be a very
serious and important issue. I have passed your email on to the office
of Malcolm Harbour MEP, who is the Conservative coordinator on the
Internal Market and Consumer Protection Committee. I will inform you as
and when I have received an answer from him on this matter.

Please do not hesitate to contact me if I can be of any further
assistance.

Kind regards,

William Thavenot (Political Assistant)

Hopefully one more person to help get rid of this horrible spyware

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

No I don't think it does. We can already see more and more interest from our MPs, MEPs and Lords all based on the legal issues. The Register article about the Home Office today does nothing but damage the reputation of government and makes them look more and more complicit.

At the moment (until such time as we get to court) our best strategy on the legal implications is to continue pressure on our MPs, MEPs and Lords clearly defining each legal issue we are concerned about. Hopefully my paper will help people to do that as I have written it on an Act by Act basis. I know it is not finished yet but I am sure you can all appreciate how incredibly busy I have been; however, the main legal points are all there, the only work left to do is the round-up under Council of Europe's Convention on Cybercrime and the conclusion. Both these sections are basically summaries of the rest of the paper and the issue as a whole.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hello PhormUKPRteam its good to have you back with us again. Hope you aren't too stressed out and weary from all your terra-phorming (explanation here: http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...terra-phorming ).

Please do tell us how is kent taking the share price continuing to collapse?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

My first post here - as a BT invader.

First - thanks Alexander - great work. I'm a BT customer and our forums are being rather heavily censored at present and an active Q&A thread and a Discussion thread have been locked by moderators. We are getting zilch from our ISP at present in terms of answers and the one BT Beta forum thread we have left, is rather quiet.

I have posted a list of my personal unanswered questions on the BT Beta forum

http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/th...ID=17985#17985

The post is R Jones, Posted: Apr 17, 2008 12:25 PM

my questions are: (some of them are obviously BT specific and will be batted back by Phorm as needing an answer from the ISP concerned)

1 - the issue of informed consent from Webmasters for Webwise/Phorm to intercept and profile the data exchange with their website visitors remains unanswered - both publicly and privately. My sites explicitly refuse consent for Webwise/Phorm to profile data exchanged with visitors and Phorm have not yet said how they will respond to that. How are Webwise/phorm establishing informed consent from webmasters?

2 - the issue of user-agent identity or other means that Phorm can be selectively individually blocked in robots.txt remains unanswered - how do we block Webwise/Phorm from our sites while allowing in search engines that we want to crawl our sites?

3 - Phorm (Kent Ertugrul) still seem to think that layer 7 interception of ALL web traffic is the same as a surfer voluntarily choosing to visit google.co.uk (and a user can already anonymise their google cookie if they wish to using third party tools).

4 - website cookie forging by Webwise/Phorm remains murky and unexplained by Phorm - who gave anyone permission to forge a cookie purporting to come from one of my registered domains?

5 - redirection of browsing traffic up to 3 times before we get to the sites we orginally asked for in the first place, is not explained by Phorm but only discussed by the indpendent reviewers.

6 - What will happen to the "browsing experience" of a BT customer who adds all the various oix/phorm/webwise domains to his HOSTS file, once Webwise/Phorm is in place, remains unexplained

7 - What are the security implications of the cookie forging, and browser multiple redirections? How easily can a malicious website identify, copy and then sell on the Phorm user ID number from a visitors computer? Dr Richard Clayton indicates this will be a relatively simple process to carry out. The malicious site then have a useable, saleable item to combine with any information they already have gleaned about the individual concerned - the malicious website information plus the Phorm user ID are worth a fair bit on the open scumware market.)

8 - What will happen to browsing (and the Phorm business model) when browsers like Firefox (and security software vendors) start to look at layer 7 redirection and treat it as suspicious acitivity? (Much as they have with popups, phishing protection, and 3rd party cookie detection)

9 - when will BT openly reveal the consumer research (including the questions used) that gave them the idea we as customers, WANTED this stuff? It's no good Emma Sanderson going on TV and talking about customer research if she won't openly publish the evidence. We have gone well past the stage where we trusted anything a BT or Phorm spokesman said in public - too many documented examples of BT saying things publicly that turn out later to be untrue.

Once again, Alexander, thanks for all the hard work, and also to Captain Jamie for the videos.

Hi People
 

Just a concerned Geek, currently with plusnet so not directly effected. But this if it happens is a very slippery slope.

I am in london so if people want to meet to possibly go over this judical review application that would be good + chance to get a few jars down my neck ;)

Anyhow now for some light humour.

Phorm in my side.
You know thats all you ever were.
A bundle of lies.
You know thats all that it was worth...
I should have known better
But I trusted you at first.
I should have known better
But I got what I deserved...

To run away from you
Was all that I could do.
To run away from you
Was all that I could do.

Phorm in my side.
You know thats all youll ever be.
So dont think you know better
cause thats what you mean to me...
I was feeling complicated.
I was feeling low.
Now everytime I think of you
I shiver to the bone...

(chorus repeats...)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Can someone point me into the direction where it is said that the Home Office is the place to get an investigation started when RIPA rules have been susspected broken. I need it to point Simon to on my next reply since he says it is the police who deal with criminal investigations.

I feel that if those members of the public who were used in the 2006/2007 trials al joined forces and placed their evidance at once with support from many others who were not involved but would like this sorted out and guilty people punished for their part in the deals. We need to all stay on track and stay focused do not allow them to devide us.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

have you all seen the shares of phorm this afternoon as its been sell sell and only a minimum buy from one person

http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/deta...&timeframe=480

looks like where defenatly wipeing the value off of phorm webwise lol

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Perhaps it's the opposite, Alexander; perhaps he fears you. Don't forget we are talking about a man who probably never expected anyone to know about what he was up to, never mind trying to stop him. As a knowledgable 'voice of the people' you are his worst nightmare come true.

Benefit being, at least you can be assured that all your fingers are still there without having to check. :D

Geo.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

[QUOTE=CaptJamieHunter;34531083[/QUOTE]

Check ur PM's mate :)

Re: Hi People
 

Welcome to CF, Deko.

Have you arrived via El Reg's comments?
If so, it's Alexander's attention you'll need to snag -- he's got plenty on his plate right now but he'll be at Olympia next Tuesday.

I'm sure he'll be back around shortly.

---------- Post added at 20:31 ---------- Previous post was at 20:27 ----------

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/04/23.png


:woot:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

OK I have to say I feel a little embarrassed about all these offers of donations, but as requested I have put together a wish list on Amazon of the books from the reading list given to me by the postgrad Law Dept. at Lancaster University.

This list is recommended background reading (should be fun then) for my Masters:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/registry/...ndard&x=13&y=9

It is quite long...

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Florence ICO statement about Home Office being responsible is here:

http://www.ico.gov.uk/Home/about_us/...e_and_oie.aspx

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The ICO opens a case


http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pi...il/084518.html

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

<Bill Hicks>
Hallelujah!
</Bill Hicks>

I got one of these through today as well. A different case number too... Missed it as I was working from a laptop rather than my usual PC.

"Dear CaptHunter

Thank you for your correspondence dated 29th February 2008, regarding Virgin Media and Phorm. Please accept my apologies for the delay in acknowledging you, our office is currently dealing with large volumes of work. This has meant that we have been unable to deal with incoming correspondence as promptly as we would like..."

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

One copy of "Constitutional Law of the European Union" on it's way to you Sir.

Once again, My sincere thanks for everything you're doing for this cause.

Rob.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Thanks to everyone, it will help me in my studies a great deal.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

As is "Understanding Law"
A small help towards all that you have done on our behalf.

Colin

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hi

I felt I should register here as I'm yet another avid lurker of this thread - I can usually be seen posting somewhat gloating messages in the comments section of particularly Phorm damaging articles @El Reg!

Respect to all here!

With regard to NebuAd whose Phorm like spyware is already deployed by a great many ISP's the other side of the pond. NebuAd is an Opt-Out cookie driven system based on consent via contractual small print - identical to the business model Phorm would need to rely on to bring in any kind of worthwhile revenue for their "poor hard up" UK ISP customers!

Here's their FAQ:

http://www.nebuad.com/privacy/servicesPrivacy.php

Some of my personal fave snippets:

-----------------------

"While NebuAd does not require or process any end-user personally-identifiable information for the purpose of delivering advertisements, our partners may have different privacy practices than our own."

"We may also disclose information we have collected when we have a good-faith belief that access, use, preservation or disclosure of such information is reasonably necessary"

"If NebuAd becomes involved in a merger, acquisition, or any form of sale of a majority or all of its assets, any information we have collected may be one of the assets transferred."

"The information we collect is stored and processed on NebuAd’s servers in the United States. As a result, that information may be subject to access requests by governments, courts or law enforcement."

-----------------------

How about that! And to think Kent Ertugrul assumed he was going to be able to get away with that kind of cr@p here! Encouraged, undoubtably, by the "official" bodies he has approached in the UK in order to validate this blatently intrusive and seemingly illegal system who all seem to have intimated that, possibly for the benefit of their own hidden agendas, if he can pull it off they'll turn a blind eye!!


Well without the efforts of the forum members here plus other likeminded individuals on the Net and not forgetting El Reg then the above would already be included in the T&Cs of the top 5 ISPs in the UK - You know it would!!


@Alexander Hanff - If only I'd have had something this juicy to base my dissertation on! ;) :)


Thanks


Paul


:)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Alexander's speech on Tuesday night has clocked up 208 downloads. In the 22 hours 45 minutes the 135Mb of video files has been online, 34.3Gb has been downloaded.

The videos and a brief explanation can now be seen here as well as the Divshare locations. Please Reddit, Digg, Stumbleupon, Facebook, blog or whatever else you can do to publicise this page rather than the Divshare locations - I'm told there's better bandwidth.

A little humour, inspired by Ravenheart and based on Deep Purple mk III's song Burn...

Phorm (with thanks/apologies as appropriate to David Coverdale, Ritchie Blackmore, Glenn Hughes, Jon Lord and Ian Paice)

"My net's gone to pot
I don't understand
At 20 Meg my speed should be grand
People are saying my privacy's damned
Yet Virgin Media's statements are bland

My screen's got these ads
From where I don't know
Who's my ISP telling where I go
A little research
Ask some techies I know

All I hear

Is Phorm

They didn't believe
All of Kent's words
He said "You can trust us
Now that we're rephormed.
We might have been bad
but not any more."

The techies laughed
At the claims of Phorm

BT lied and tried to mask
Secret tests with Phorm
Their users weren't asked
When the truth came out
MPs were aghast

At BT

And Phorm

You know the ICO
They would not do a thing
You know the ICO...
*whispers* Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing

*guitar solo*

Dr Richard said that laws
Had been broken by BT and Phorm
And Alex said so too
*whispers* But you know the ICO...

*keyboard solo*

The web's gone to pot
And we all understand
The government's complicit
The Home Office is damned

By doing nothing
Played into Kent's hands
Our privacy's dead
There's blood on their hands

Our warning came
They didn't care
Rights were violated
They stood and stared

By then it was too late
No one was spared

And all because

Of Phorm"

There's a song called Stormbringer that just begs to be transphormed... Phormbringer!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hey all!

I have spent since this afternoon making up a pc presentation application on my laptop that I thought I would burn and then send to friends & family and just about anyone I can think of to spread the word on Phorm.

When it is all complete, I will also torrent it so it has wider publicity.

If anyone would like to have a look at it, make any criticisms or additional information to add, then by all means feel free to do so!

As a funny, chilish moment, move your mouse over Kent's pic for a laugh!!

Click HERE

Dont forget to let me know what you think so far! :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

It's getting shorter...

"European Union Law (Core Texts)" on its way to you.
Thanks for your hard work.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

A copy of "International Law: Classic and Contemporary Readings" is also headed your way.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Ditto "European Social Law and Policy (European Law Series)"

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hey don't blame me... :)

Here's the one I did, and posted on my Blog so you may not have seen it

To the tune of Born To Be Wild by Steppenwolf

Get your PC runnin
on the information superhighway
looking for a laptop
and some tat from ebay
Yeah Google’s gonna make it happen
search the world of cyberspace
enter my credit card details
and my order is placed

Oh **** i’m getting profiled
with ads i’m snowed under
do i want shark fins?
or a disk of chumbawuma?
Stop Phorm now so it don’t happen
Send Kent back to the states
take his nasty spyware with him
we don’t want in this place

I’m not going to be profiled
and Phorm, you’re reviled
your shares were high
and now they’re gonna die

Phorm made us wild
Phorm made us wild

I’ll get me coat!

Breakin the law has to be a good one to cover too :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

An IP address is just a number, and its meaning depends on where it is used, for example in the header of an IP packet.

Interestingly, the Phorm UID is just a 16 byte number. (the size was mentioned in Dr Richard Clayton's paper).

The current IPv4 addresses are just 4 byte numbers, that are usually written for humans in a dot quad notation, and have a particular meaning when used in the headers of IP packets. To allow the expansion of the internet, the IPv6 addresses were engineered to accomodate the IPv4 addresses.

The IPv6 addresses are 16 byte numbers, it must just be a coincidence that the Phorm UID numbers are stored in the same number of bytes.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The Law of Human Rights: Second Annual Updating Supplement (Law of Human Rights)
Human Rights in International Relations (Themes in International Relations)

On their way - second one may be a while - coming from a seller rather than direct

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I'm not blaming you. Someone on alt.music.deep-purple wrote something called Spambringer a few years back. If anyone deserves the blame it's him!

Breaking The Law is a definite :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Thanks everyone my postman is gonna get a workout that's for sure.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Snap!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

"I always feel like somebody's watching me...and I have no privacy."

By Junior

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I having read about it in the first PCpro bought in months, I promptly sent an email to VM and joined the forum.

I have checked my browser security and it is set to only accept cookies form sites I vist and promptly deletes them when I close the browser.

A question then who, if anyone, puts the "tracking cookie" on my PC. If it is VM I will have to change my home page. Which will be their loss as I would not be looking at anything they had to offer.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Massive Attack - Spying Glass:

When you check it them-a use spying glass
They want to know all your business
.
.
But some people they always see
They never mind their own business

etc etc.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

If you're a Reddit user, please get on there and add to my points tally for the new page - http://reddit.com/user/captainjamiehunter/

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I just get a page with scantily clad young ladies from "Hayling" looking for a date. Fat, old, married men must be in short supply there then :erm:

Bugger! I'm being profiled already, aren't I? :D:D:D:angel:

Dave

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

LOL

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Rockwell ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Just one thought - this is presumably aimed at the non-technical?

I don't know about anyone else but if I showed this to my parents they probably wouldn't get beyond the first page.

Anyway of breaking it up with images/video stills/diagrams etc - because other than that it makes all the required points. IMO there is possibly too much text.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I'm sure I've seen photos of the second girl in from the left on a laptop I fixed recently... that will be good blackmail material down the pub tomorrow night... :D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Think of it as an experiment to test the validity of 'opt in'. :)

Thanks Alexander. Your efforts are very much appreciated.

Pete

Cmon people, still a few books left. Your chance to stick two fingers up to K*nt and show him that people will 'opt in' to something they value...

Alexanders Wish List

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

What? No toys for the kids? How selfish ;)
:jk: