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Why? it's not a legally binding vote?

However, since we're now speculating wildly, rather that than the civil war how about the one that occurs when the economy crashes, house prices crash, food shortage, thousands/hundreds of thousands/millions lose their jobs.

The whole Brexit conundrum is due to the closeness of the vote. And realistically now we know the options that are available to us surely another vote is whats required. Democracy does not usurp democracy.

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Civil War ? Fantastic I've always fancied being a Roundhead ! :D

Be honest it will just be ratty comments in forums, and the Torygraph. People don't 'do' anything any longer. The Brexit Brigade would need Help the Aged as allies in a 'War' anyway..... ;)

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And if the closeness of the result of another referendum occurs again - do we keep going, having referendum after referendum until the people vote the right way ?

Sorry, but that is not a true democracy to me that people fought hard and died for.

It is irrelevant that the referendum in 2016 was not binding, however it was one of the largest democratic processes this country has ever undertaken, and over a million more people voted to leave than Remain.

All the claptrap about job losses, people losing their houses is just fear mongering rubbish, 90% of the growth in world trade will be OUTSIDE of the EU. We do not need to be in a corrupted EU to do trade deals with less than 10% of the Worlds trade.

Democracy decided that we leave, so leave we must.

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Nobody fought and died for this shambles.

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The vote to leave is not shambolic, that is called democracy and yes, people DID fight and die for true democracy, despite what you say! :dunce:

It's only shambolic because there is no Brexiteer leading the way, this is on the Remainer MPs and civil servants trying to thwart/sabotage the leaving process.

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No one is thwarting or sabotaging the process intentionally. Its just a total shambles and no-one can negotiate a decent deal.

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I didn’t say the actual vote was a shambles, the implementation is.

Brexit should have been a series of referenda following the vote to leave about the type of Brexit - that way there’d a be a clear message to Parliament about the will of the people and a mandate to negotiate with the EU on that basis.

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Pretty much spot on with your analysis..

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Brexit has nothing to do with what people fought and died your statement is a diversion meant to stir an emotive response.

It's completely relevant that the referendum is non binding because we can if we choose just ignore the entire thing (we wont obviously)

My response regarding job losses house price collapse etc was as my post stated a wild hypothesis in response to someone else's claims regarding civil war. However it's nice to know we can ignore all the forecasting and prediction models because you claim it's rubbish. If you can provide any predictions or modelling to show that there would be an upturn in the economy then place them here and let's see them.

I wonder how long it would take to strike these trade deals with countries outside of the EU and what happens in between the ending of the transition phase to implementation of new trade deals HINT it's a damn site longer than two years.


Finally 'Democracy decided that we leave, so leave we must.'

Wrong, that's just your opinion not fact. Democracy means we can if we wish take as many goes as we like.

The original referendum was badly flawed, we should again having a far better idea of the options repeat the process and lets see if turkeys still vote for Christmas.

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If May is defeated then this is what will happen ...

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if a Brexiteer was to lead the way, what difference do you think it would make and how would a Brexiteer would be able to influence the EU in the deal offered ?

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Its a given she will be defeated there's no further supposed 'reassurances' appeared on the table. the DUP etc will not vote with the government. there's huge cross party adversity to the deal.

It now comes down to if Mrs. May is prepared to move forwards with a no deal scenario. Which she won't she doesn't have the power within in her own party and cross the board MP's are prepared to stand up to her.

I'll put money on an extension and referendum

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No it won't - the government is the executive, no one else can dictate what happens next, not even parliament. As I said earlier on, it requires a Statute to over turn a Statute and currently the Brexit day is written in to Statute.

We leave on 29th March 2019.

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Want to bet ? £100 to the charity of mutually agreed choice.

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Now there's a good wager. Is Mick a sporting Gent ? ;)

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Gambling is for idiots,lets not encourage it :(