Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Alexander, if you haven't seen this post on vm.feedback you might enjoy it;

Are VirginMedia still part of the ISPA?

[Oct 2007 ISPA spokesman said] "ISPs cannot monitor or record the type of information passed over their network. ISPs are no more able to inspect and filter every single packet passing across their network than the Post Office is able to open every envelope. ISPs deal with many more packets of data each day than postal services and data protection legislation actually prevents ISPs from looking at the content of the packets sent," he added.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7059881.stm

[April 2008 Richard Clayton, Treasurer, FIPR said] "The Phorm system is highly intrusive -- it's like the Post Office opening all my letters to see what I'm interested in, merely so that I can be sent a better class of junk mail."
http://www.fipr.org/press/080317phorm.html

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Yeah I read the BBC article when it was published last year, but it is a good point all the same.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Now those would be good quotes to post on file sharing forums, I should think it would encourage bit-torrent users to sign the petition :D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Actually, from that same BBC article I noted this too

"'ISPA does not support abuses of copyright and intellectual property theft', said an ISPA spokesman."

... which doesn't fit well with the parasitic stealing of copyright web pages.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

This relates to the whole "mere conduit" argument I was referring to a few pages back. The ISPs often quote this kind of argument in reference to filesharing and the RIAA and MPAA etc yet when it comes to Phorm their "mere conduit" argument falls to pieces. They are being hypocritical in the extreme.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

None the less, the ISPA do seem very enthusiastic about Phorm http://www.nma.co.uk/Logon/ResourceB...icleID%3d37294

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Joining BT forums:

I joined using my BT phone account - I am not a BT broadband user. A lot of the forums are specifically to do with phones not broadband.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Touching on what Dephormation said about ISPA

From the ISPA code of practice
http://www.ispa.org.uk/about_us/page_16.html

so no interception then

Now I really don't think Phorm/webwise is essential for provision of service.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

ISPA seem to be struggling with two conflicting corporate personalities at the moment.

Deep Packet Inspection - they can't decide whether they can or can't do it (but it seems that goat has now been ritually sacrificed for greed).

Privacy - they can't decide whether the law applies to them, or doesn't.

Copyright - they do not support copyright and intellectual property theft, but don't think laws of copyright apply to them when they steal web content for profiling

At very least, they are getting some very odd and very inconsistent legal advice.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

BT don't like Safari. It doesn't cope with Webwise...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Exactly the reason I am now using safari for the majority of my surfing.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hi All, I expect that a lot of you have seen "Phorm" related stuff on YouTube but just in case anybody else would like to look here is the link -
http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...m&search_type=
keep up the hard work you lot, you are all just brilliant!

davethejag

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That spokesman would be Nicholas Lansman .. long standing PR highflyer who formed a company "Political Intelligence". a lobbying company in Westminster.
BE WARNED ... He has the ear of the govt

tongue forked springs to mind

http://www.britishlivertrust.org.uk/.../trustees.aspx

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

And that was also an interesting quote from Lord Triesman, member of the Government
Lord Triesman, the parliamentary Under Secretary for Innovation, Universities and Skills, said intellectual property theft would not be tolerated.

I've given it a whirl on BT Beta forums.
Should we be contacting the Lord Triesman and asking him if he feels just as srongly about Webwise/Phorm?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Can't we put the video's youtube? or are they there already?