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He’ll just have to suck it up…

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I think you'll find those 2 points would be non negotiable for 'new' members, and to be fair if we had to rejoin on the EU's terms it would serve us right. We gave up our grandfather rights when we left and we're never getting them back.

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https://x.com/pritipatel/status/1730...Fx9lsEXWlOa1jg

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Would you not want to add retain £ to that list?

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Gaslighting or does she really not understand how trade barriers work?

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Both?

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I have never been clear on what Brexit meant. Before the vote we were sold a variety of options. Farage tried to tempt wavering Leavers with a Norway-style Brexit, others with a customs union Brexit, or just have us as members of the EEA, keeping us effectively in the Single Market. There was some talk about a No Deal Brexit with us being on the really complex WTO rules and trade tariffs. So, people casted their vote to Remain or Leave. Those who voted Leave had a number of possible Brexits in mind, but we are told that cutting immigration was a driving force. (That went well! :erm:) As it turned out, as soon as Leave won, folk like Farage, Richard Tice and Johnson insisted that Leave Means Leave and that meant 'No Deal'

What has never been explained to me by any Leaver, least of all Farage, Tice and Johnson is what a No Deal Brexit would look like in terms of the NI border, the GFA and what international free trade deals we would have to replace the loss in EU trade we would have if we were to be on WTO trade tariffs. I picked up from Farage and Rees-Mogg that they thought the EU would be so desperate for trade with us they would be clamouring to do a free-trade deal with us asap and that we would be able to call the shots. Moggy explained after the vote that we might not see the full Brexit benefit for 50 years after an initial rough ride. I wish he had said that before the vote.

As it turned out, May then Johnson did deals that pleased nobody. Johnson won an election on the basis of getting Brexit done and then proceeded to do a hard Brexit deal, with the UK as a third country, in an all out attempt to be rid of EU rules we had helped make in better days. The EU, contrary to Leave expectations, played hard ball. It turns out, based on the existing trade set up with the EU and other economies that we stand to lose 5% GDP annually over the next 15 years. This doesn't take into account the delayed introduction of full trade regulations that are now due in the spring. Neither does it take into account possible trade deals with the USA and India, although these are unlikely to replace even 1% of trade we have already lost with the EU. It also turns out that universally Johnson's deal is thought to be a bit of a dog's breakfast. Farage hates it as do farmers, fishermen and the owners of SME's across the land.

So, help me guys, what does a proper Brexit look like? How would a good Brexit turn out in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years or Moggy's 50 years?

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We’re out, stay out……for at least a generation, say 30yrs.

Then assess, where we are.

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Condemn another generation to mediocrity.

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That's not really answering roughɓeast's question though.

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I really would like an answer to my question. There must be Leavers out there who know what a good Brexit looks like and what it has given us and will give us. I particularly want to know the benefits for ordinary people in the street for their daily lives. Have we seen any benefits yet? Control of borders and increased sovereignty I understand as concepts, but what does that mean for Jo and Josephine Soap?

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