Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Why, did you fill it in and post for him ? ;)

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Starmer is losing Hartlepool because an increasing number of traditional Labour voters think the party stands for this sort of thing, which I am seeing pop up increasingly on the social medias:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1620126284

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Labour stopped being the party of the working class a long time ago, I posted as much years ago on here.

Labour are now firmly entrenched in the politics of identity: BLM, Trans-rights, me too etc etc and most of the country doesn't give a monkeys about that. The quality of politicians within their ranks is poor, and they still haven't got their head around the fact that their previous heartlands think differently and have different issues than within their Metro-Westminster-Bubble.

They managed to lose Scotland, when they had a history of great Scottish Labour politicians and leaders - that alone made winning a general election difficult.

They are now losing the North, and once they've lost the North they'll never win a general election ever again.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

I think that isn't a problem Starmer introduced though rather one that he is trying to fight after Corbyn left that impression.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

I don't think he stands much chance of achieving that. Labour hasn't been defined by socialist economics for decades now. Its core message has long been socially 'progressive' and what was previously a party for the working class has been hollowed out and filled in by assorted cranks and pressure groups whose aims are at such odds with society as a whole that the '****/awful' sentiment expressed by that admittedly rather blunt satire has begun to have a ring of truth about it. You can't constantly bang on about wanting to radically change everything without sounding like you hate what's already there.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

It first came apparent to the electorate how endemic the issue was with the famous G.Brown incident and the "bigoted" woman, it was further underlined with Thornberry's mocking of white van man and the Cross of St George. It was then emblazoned with massive neon lights, huge Doric columns and an amazing fireworks display, when the Brexit vote was ignored, attempted to be reversed and the voters told that they were the problem.

And if the opposition continue to shoot the messenger, they will always be the opposition.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

I remember reading in Flip Chart Fairies that the sweet ground in politics which would gain most votes was being economically left wing (eg bailing out loss-making companies to retain jobs) and socially right wing (eg bring back the death sentence for some offences, don't let unskilled immigrants into the country, etc)

The Conservative Party under Johnson now ticks both boxes successfully. It has overturned previous Conservative thinking on state investment in industry. The Conservative Mayor of the Tees Valley won his seat on a promise to nationalise the local airport.

By following an interventionist approach in industry, it gives Labour less room to challenge the government and propose alternative ideas. At the moment, traditional home counties Conservative voters seem happy to go along with this approach as long as taxes don't rise but their house values do.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

I think he can move it in the right direction.

He seems to have at least diagnosed the part of the problem: that you can't expect to lead a country you give the impression of disliking. He has been making moves to introduce some patriotic aspects to his campaigning even with things like ensuring there are more union jacks in their videos and party materials.

It's going to take a while but he may be able to correct the image somewhat for whoever takes over. Besides you can cloak an argument for change in patriotic terms. NHS = British institution. Renationalising Rail? Making the network British again. Higher taxes on multinational companies? Protecting British companies.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Typical Left-Wing nonsense. I am surprised you haven’t raised that old chestnut that Conservatives are just sitting back thinking of Empire!

Where has the Prime Minister said he will bring back the death penalty?

As for unskilled workers, we don’t need anymore of them if we have enough of our own. This was one of the things that Brexit was all about and it’s what people think. Politicians ignore what the public want at their peril.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

I can’t see Sir Kier himself ever making Prime Minister. His views don’t align with what Labour voters think and want and he is bland and uninteresting. I hope he leads Labour for many decades to come. :D

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

I don't know if there's any stats available that imply red wall voters are any more pro or anti the death penalty than anywhere else in the country?

I know the below link is not in the so called Red Wall, but I would expect that they and anyone would want less of this:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nts-Bible.html

and perhaps if the police had been as expeditious in investigating paedophile rings as they are in arresting or investigating people like this gentleman.

It is the descent into wokeness I think people are getting sick of, when what they want is jobs, regeneration and security.

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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

Here is the original publication. It's more about the average British voter than just the red wall subset.
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/upl...values-gap.pdf

"The UK in a Changing Europe is an impartial and independent organisation created to make the findings of academic research easily available to the widest possible audience."

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What do you think of this analysis?
https://flipchartfairytales.wordpres...e-culture-war/

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You can't win elections by just appealing to Labour or Conservative supporters. You need some cross-over appeal.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader
 

I don't disagree with it, it's a bit simplistic. The problem now is that ALL politicians are afraid of the culture war.

They, like anyone in the public domain, are afraid to speak out on issues for fear of being labelled racist, anti-trans, homophobic, islamaphobic etc.

Your report is correct in this but the Left put across the view that we are more racist society, that we are a more oppressive to minorities society when the fact just don't support that view.

The recent report into race is a perfect example, where because it didn't fit in with the narrative, the report itself was branded racist.

If the Left (and Labour along with it) continues to move down the Culture War/ Identity Politics route it will become a fringe organisation.