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papa smurf 04-10-2017 17:01

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Originally Posted by dilli-theclaw (Post 35918990)
Being selfish I just wonder if my transplant will be any quicker.

i think a new law needs passing first

Osem 04-10-2017 18:02

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Originally Posted by dilli-theclaw (Post 35918990)
Being selfish I just wonder if my transplant will be any quicker.

It's not being selfish. It's a crime that so many perfectly usable organs are lost because there's no proper donating procedure in the UK. I really don't think the vast majority of people will mind being opted in and for those who do object they can register that fact. I can't imagine that if next of kin objected that their wishes would be ignored.

denphone 04-10-2017 18:08

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35918965)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41493370

Well Theresa's big speech went well then (apart from losing her voice, being handed a P45 and the scenery falling down behind her....)

Boris has a lot to answer for.;)

daveeb 04-10-2017 18:11

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35918997)
It's not being selfish. It's a crime that so many perfectly usable organs are lost because there's no proper donating procedure in the UK. I really don't think the vast majority of people will mind being opted in and for those who do object they can register that fact. I can't imagine that if next of kin objected that their wishes would be ignored.

Spot on :tu:

Ignitionnet 04-10-2017 18:33

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35918987)
that depends on your religious leanings ,my objection is taking without consent just reduces us to meat i don't believe the dead should be used this way unless they have given consent while alive .

That's exactly what our bodies are once we've died.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35918998)
Boris has a lot to answer for.;)

Talking of people with a lot to answer for just listening to Amber Rudd being dissected by Eddie Mair.

richard s 04-10-2017 19:50

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There are plenty of Fat Cat Tories all situated in one place we could dissect first before cooking...

TheDaddy 04-10-2017 19:53

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35918973)
I'm sure it'll be made clear where the opt-out option is for those that don't want to donate their organs when they've no further use for them.

It's not a donation if they just take them, that guy that visits his doners grave every year to thank him for his gift wouldn't need to bother if his transplant happened the day after this proposal comes in.

Ignitionnet 04-10-2017 21:47

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35919022)
It's not a donation if they just take them, that guy that visits his doners grave every year to thank him for his gift wouldn't need to bother if his transplant happened the day after this proposal comes in.

I'm not sure that's the experience of the many countries that run opt-out donor registers.

TheDaddy 05-10-2017 01:21

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35919029)
I'm not sure that's the experience of the many countries that run opt-out donor registers.

I just think it's a great thing to do but the gesture is greatly diminished if they just take organs anyway. Imo they should have put a lot more effort into getting people to volunteer before making it compulsory, a tv advert campaign every few years wasn't enough

Ignitionnet 05-10-2017 10:09

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It's not going to be compulsory. I imagine part of the point is ensuring it's not an exceptional gesture but considered normal. The donor provides the organs after death, they've no further use for them. Cold as it may seem considering a body to be meat or spare parts once brain death is inevitable or has happened that is all the body is, a cadaver of organs and other flesh. Many religions adhere to this as well. Once the mind / soul is gone what's left is a shell. Most bodies are going in the oven at gas mark a lot or are going into a box and into the ground anyway.

Anyway I'll shush on that note, this is turning into something of a philosophy thing and my thoughts on these matters remain the same.

pip08456 05-10-2017 13:16

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35919090)
It's not going to be compulsory. I imagine part of the point is ensuring it's not an exceptional gesture but considered normal. The donor provides the organs after death, they've no further use for them. Cold as it may seem considering a body to be meat or spare parts once brain death is inevitable or has happened that is all the body is, a cadaver of organs and other flesh. Many religions adhere to this as well. Once the mind / soul is gone what's left is a shell. Most bodies are going in the oven at gas mark a lot or are going into a box and into the ground anyway.

Anyway I'll shush on that note, this is turning into something of a philosophy thing and my thoughts on these matters remain the same.

I have no problem with this at all hence my donating my body to Cardiff University Hospital.

My left over shell will be a learning tool for trainee doctors to help them develop the skills to help people in the future.

I promise you, I won't feel a thing!

denphone 05-10-2017 14:38

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35918632)
He’s trying to get fired to try and unseat May imo.

The plotters are becoming even more open and ambitious now according to this.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3651546.html

Ignitionnet 05-10-2017 14:56

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35919143)
The plotters are becoming even more open and ambitious now according to this.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3651546.html

Everyone feeling the strength and stability?

papa smurf 05-10-2017 15:39

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35919143)
The plotters are becoming even more open and ambitious now according to this.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3651546.html

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denphone 05-10-2017 15:45

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35919156)
PAGE NOT FOUND...
Sorry – we can't find that page

The address could have been entered incorrectly, or the page could have gone missing.

If you press the home page there is a headline exclusive there.

https://www.standard.co.uk/

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live


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