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Paul 19-07-2022 19:39
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36128833)
eg if we'd built more power capacity to replace the coal-fired power stations we've closed down then we wouldn't be at the mercy of global energy prices and their impact on inflation and consumer spending.
You mean like the nuclear power stations everyone seemed against ?
Of course, we could have just kept the coal fired ones going as well.

Funny how environmentists want everyone to use electric cars, but dont want the power stations it would need to keep them charged. :erm:

1andrew1 19-07-2022 20:07
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36128849)
You mean like the nuclear power stations everyone seemed against ?
Of course, we could have just kept the coal fired ones going as well.

Funny how environmentists want everyone to use electric cars, but dont want the power stations it would need to keep them charged. :erm:
The Conservatives have been in power long enough to have sorted the issue out that they caused.

If you agree with Chris's post in the climate change thread, you'll no doubt appreciate why keeping the coal-fired power stations was not an option. But closing them and not replacing that capacity and hoping the market would deliver was a leap of faith too far.

A lot of posts I see about electric cars talk about how they charge them from solar panels at no marginal cost but I suspect most aren't so lucky.

Dave42 19-07-2022 22:45
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36128839)
One clown as PM is enough, please not!
none of them are any good Andrew whoever it is it gonna be very bad only Sunak not going on about tax cuts what they gonna cut to pay for them NHS all ready on it knees ect

Sephiroth 19-07-2022 23:09
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This could become a major cluster-whatsit. If it's Sunak v Truss, we will have nothing new just the same old faces. Sunak is everything that Truss isn't but still isn't copmiited to the UKK, imo. Too rich to feel the pain.

Truss is just the wrong person for the world stage at PM level. Can't hold herself on the podium and does whatever it takes to further here career rather than speak from conviction.

I hope to attend a hustings event in London shortly and would like to put to her (if she's in the last two) questions about energy imdependence, food production and where's all the money coming from.

Chris 19-07-2022 23:16
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And the cheese. Don’t forget to ask her where all the cheese is coming from.

1andrew1 19-07-2022 23:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36128860)
This could become a major cluster-whatsit. If it's Sunak v Truss, we will have nothing new just the same old faces. Sunak is everything that Truss isn't but still isn't copmiited to the UKK, imo. Too rich to feel the pain.

Truss is just the wrong person for the world stage at PM level. Can't hold herself on the podium and does whatever it takes to further here career rather than speak from conviction.

I hope to attend a hustings event in London shortly and would like to put to her (if she's in the last two) questions about energy independence, food production and where's all the money coming from.
You can probably guess her responses:
  • Will agree we need to develop more energy independence and will probably go along with a small Welsh nuclear power station to tick the box but don't expect anything much else.
  • Food production - the UK lost its self-sufficiency on this a long time ago so don't expect much except here especially given the difficulty of getting people to pick crops.
  • Where's all the money coming from? The never never, obviously but expect a nod to telling the audience what they want to hear - a more dynamic economy freed from the stifling EU legislation generating more tax revenue with talk of green investments.

ianch99 20-07-2022 15:20
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Gloves officially off. Read this as "desperate last chance attempt to stop Truss"

Tory Party continues to unravel ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYGSfL2X...jpg&name=small

daveeb 20-07-2022 15:32
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Don't think she'll be in Margaret Hilda Truss's cabinet somehow.

denphone 20-07-2022 15:50
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It looks like the Penny Mordaunt camp are conceding defeat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-62232038

jfman 20-07-2022 16:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36128860)
This could become a major cluster-whatsit. If it's Sunak v Truss, we will have nothing new just the same old faces. Sunak is everything that Truss isn't but still isn't copmiited to the UKK, imo. Too rich to feel the pain.

Truss is just the wrong person for the world stage at PM level. Can't hold herself on the podium and does whatever it takes to further here career rather than speak from conviction.

I hope to attend a hustings event in London shortly and would like to put to her (if she's in the last two) questions about energy imdependence, food production and where's all the money coming from.
A continuity Government of over 40 years of economic failure. Yes please.

1andrew1 20-07-2022 16:49
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All the candidates are a gift to Starmer but a liability for the country. The Conservative Party has been cleansed of any leadership talent and now needs time out of power to get its act together.

TheDaddy 20-07-2022 16:55
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36128906)
All the candidates are a gift to Starmer but a liability for the country. The Conservative Party has been cleansed of any leadership talent and now needs time out of power to get its act together.
This is the best result for the country providing we can endure the 2 years remaining of this shit show, if Labour don't bring in proportional representation though then they are not acting in the best interests of the vast majority of voters in the country.

denphone 20-07-2022 16:58
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36128906)
All the candidates are a gift to Starmer but a liability for the country. The Conservative Party has been cleansed of any leadership talent and now needs time out of power to get its act together.
Whenever l think of Liz Truss l think about Ian Duncan Smith, William Hague and Michael Howard.

If l was a Tory voter l would be hoping Rishi Sunak wins.

1andrew1 20-07-2022 17:03
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36128908)
Whenever l think of Liz Truss l think about Ian Duncan Smith, William Hague and Michael Howard.

If l was a Tory voter l would be hoping Rishi Sunak wins.
He's the least worst option.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36128907)
This is the best result for the country providing we can endure the 2 years remaining of this shit show, if Labour don't bring in proportional representation though then they are not acting in the best interests of the vast majority of voters in the country.
I think the Labour and Conservative Parties will act in their interests to get re-elected so suspect that they won't change the system that's been serving them well.

ianch99 20-07-2022 17:55
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The Conservative supporters on here have gone very silent ..

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YouGov survey of 725 party members over Monday and Tuesday had Ms Truss beating Mr Sunak by 54 per cent to 35 per cent,
I am guessing they are wondered what the f**k their Party has just done!

Dave42 20-07-2022 17:59
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PM Truss it gonna be utter carnage

Mad Max 20-07-2022 18:05
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They've made a huge mistake in getting rid of Johnson imo.

TimeLord2018 20-07-2022 18:14
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36128915)
PM Truss it gonna be utter carnage
she tweeted 'Ready to Hit the Ground from Day One' Didn't delete it quick enough.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...b000da23facac2

TheDaddy 20-07-2022 18:16
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36128910)
He's the least worst option.

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I think the Labour and Conservative Parties will act in their interests to get re-elected so suspect that they won't change the system that's been serving them well.
It's not actually served Labour that well, out of government for pretty much three quarters of the last 40+ years

denphone 20-07-2022 18:26
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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36128916)
They've made a huge mistake in getting rid of Johnson imo.
From the frying pan into the fire l would say.

jfman 20-07-2022 18:34
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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36128916)
They've made a huge mistake in getting rid of Johnson imo.
The lack of depth in their party shows why they clung onto a discredited PM so long. Breaking the law, manifesto promises and lying would, ordinarily, finish anyone else.

OLD BOY 20-07-2022 18:49
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36128914)
The Conservative supporters on here have gone very silent ..
I think the genuine Conservative supporters are feeling quietly chuffed putting this choice to the membership.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36128914)



I am guessing they are wondered what the f**k their Party has just done!
I was just thinking the same of the Labour Party. They’ve just hounded out of office the person they set up to lose the next election. Now they are contemplating standing up against Margaret Thatcher mark II with added venom!

heero_yuy 20-07-2022 18:52
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36128926)
I was just thinking the same of the Labour Party. They’ve just hounded out of office the person they set up to lose the next election. Now they are contemplating standing up against Margaret Thatcher mark II with added venom!
With a labour leader as charismatic as a salted slug.:D

OLD BOY 20-07-2022 18:53
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Whichever candidate wins, they will demolish Mr Hindsight.

jfman 20-07-2022 19:08
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36128929)
Whichever candidate wins, they will demolish Mr Hindsight.
I take comfort in the fact your predictions are among the worst on the forum.

OLD BOY 20-07-2022 19:11
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36128936)
I take comfort in the fact your predictions are among the worst on the forum.
For someone who is so obsessed with Boris Johnson’s ‘lies’ you sure do tell some porkies yourself.

1andrew1 20-07-2022 19:12
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36128926)
I think the genuine Conservative supporters are feeling quietly chuffed putting this choice to the membership.
I'm not sure that honoured Conservative supporters on the forum like Seph feel remotely this way. And Mad Max having viewed the list hoping to be the next PM now wants to give Johnson another chance!

jfman 20-07-2022 19:18
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36128938)
I'm not sure that honoured Conservative supporters on the forum like Seph feel remotely this way. And Mad Max having viewed the list hoping to be the next PM now wants to give Johnson another chance!
As ever OB has the blinkers on and cannot see what’s obvious to everyone else.

A continuity of a Government devoid of talent, devoid of ideas, devoid of integrity, devoid of principles, devoid of small c conservatism.

A 1980s Government with no solutions for 2020s Britain. A half decent Labour leader should be able to seize his or her Tony Blair moment. Even the Tories say the country is in the shit.

Mr K 20-07-2022 19:18
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36128937)
For someone who is so obsessed with Boris Johnson’s ‘lies’ you sure do tell some porkies yourself.
So who are you voting for OB, the multi millionaire American law breaking tax raiser who knifed your hero , or the Lib Dem Remainer ? Do tell !

richard-john56 20-07-2022 20:26
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36128942)
So who are you voting for OB, the multi millionaire American law breaking tax raiser who knifed your hero , or the Lib Dem Remainer ? Do tell !
Don't you mean: The Lady is not for turning: Liz Thatcher Trust !

1andrew1 20-07-2022 21:01
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Originally Posted by richard-john56 (Post 36128946)
Don't you mean: The Lady is not for turning: Liz Thatcher Trust !
Liz Dem Remainer Truss?

This lady is for turning where the grass is greener and the votes more plentiful!

Paul 21-07-2022 00:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36128853)
The Conservatives have been in power long enough to have sorted the issue out that they caused.
What issue, that who caused :confused:

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36128853)
keeping the coal-fired power stations was not an option.
Of course its an option.
Having no power stations is not an option. :dozey:

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36128853)
A lot of posts I see about electric cars talk about how they charge them from solar panels at no marginal cost but I suspect most aren't so lucky.
Well a bit more global warming would help with the sunshine needed for solar panels, unless of course you dont want to travel for a few months each year. :erm:

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At least one Nuclear station got the go ahead today.

1andrew1 21-07-2022 09:28
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36128964)
What issue, that who caused :confused:
The issue of the UK's dependency on global energy prices due to the government allowing UK generating capacity to be closed without replacement capacity. Having said that, I'm not sure that any G7 country is doing particularly well on the energy front. France's nuclear sector is running into countless problems and Germany's dependence on Russian gas is now biting it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36128853)
keeping the coal-fired power stations was not an option.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36128964)
Of course its an option.
Having no power stations is not an option. :dozey:
You removed the conditional part of my sentence thus rendering its meaning entirely different. The full sentence was:
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36128853)
If you agree with Chris's post in the climate change thread, you'll no doubt appreciate why keeping the coal-fired power stations was not an option. But closing them and not replacing that capacity and hoping the market would deliver was a leap of faith too far.

ianch99 21-07-2022 09:43
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36128950)
Liz Dem Remainer Truss?

This lady is for turning where the grass is greener and the votes more plentiful!
So the choice is between Liz "Abolish the Monarchy" Truss and Sunak who, lets remember:

https://twitter.com/withorpe/status/1549791854736048128

Quote:
was one of a group of hedge fund bosses that made about £100m after launching a 2007 hostile activist campaign against ABN Amro bank resulting in its sale to RBS, and RBS's subsequent £45b bailout by the British public. Sunak became a multi millionaire
The best bit about all of this is that the loyal Tory faithful have to pretend that either of these two are fit for office :erm:

1andrew1 21-07-2022 10:05
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36128980)
So the choice is between Liz "Abolish the Monarchy" Truss and Sunak who, lets remember:

https://twitter.com/withorpe/status/1549791854736048128

The best bit about all of this is that the loyal Tory faithful have to pretend that either of these two are fit for office :erm:
Limbo-dancing.

The best thing for the Conservatives is to hand the whole economic mess over to the Opposition by calling a General Election. Nurture some talent, blame the economy on Starmer and storm back after four years for several successive terms.

Instead, the new Conservative PM will inherit a huge creaking economic mess and will face humiliation at the 2024 general election, gifting the Opposition multiple terms in power.

jfman 21-07-2022 11:30
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36128983)
Limbo-dancing.

The best thing for the Conservatives is to hand the whole economic mess over to the Opposition by calling a General Election. Nurture some talent, blame the economy on Starmer and storm back after four years for several successive terms.

Instead, the new Conservative PM will inherit a huge creaking economic mess and will face humiliation at the 2024 general election, gifting the Opposition multiple terms in power.
The Tories get to make hay when the sun shines in an economic mess. Rees-Mogg and his banker friends are always keeping an eye out for opportunities for supernormal profits that you don't really get with a stable economy.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/ree...135336248.html

These people know how to play the system, while stringing along gullible voters that we need to tighten our purse strings and erode the role and purpose of the state so their pals can charge you in a privatised industry.

TheDaddy 21-07-2022 11:59
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36128987)
The Tories get to make hay when the sun shines in an economic mess. Rees-Mogg and his banker friends are always keeping an eye out for opportunities for supernormal profits that you don't really get with a stable economy.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/ree...135336248.html

These people know how to play the system, while stringing along gullible voters that we need to tighten our purse strings and erode the role and purpose of the state so their pals can charge you in a privatised industry.
Getting people to vote against their best interests is the neatest con trick devised, how anyone that isn't a multi millionaire votes for them is beyond me, there's literally nothing in it for them

1andrew1 21-07-2022 14:11
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"intention is not necessary for a contempt [of Parliament] to be committed".

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Partygate: Boris Johnson may face by-election if found to have misled MPs

The outgoing prime minister is facing a Parliamentary inquiry over what he told MPs about the events.

If it rules against him and he is suspended from the Commons for 10 days he could face a recall petition, Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle has said.

Mr Johnson would be able to stand in any resulting by-election.

He has promised to cooperate with the ongoing inquiry into his conduct.

Mr Johnson told the Commons in January that Covid "guidance was followed" and the rules had been "followed at all times".

But in April, he was fined by police for attending a birthday party in his honour in Downing Street during the first lockdown.

In May, he told MPs that, although his original statement had not been true, he had "believed it to be true" at the time.

Parliament's cross-party Privileges Committee of MPs is investigating whether the prime minister misled Parliament.

Sir Lindsay said that, if the committee found Mr Johnson had done so, and he was suspended from the Commons chamber for 10 sitting days or more - or 14 calendar days - this would trigger a "recall petition" in his constituency of Uxbridge and South Ruislip, in north-west London.

Under the rules, if 10% or more of eligible voters sign such a petition, a by-election must take place.

Mr Johnson would still be able to stand in the contest for a seat he won with a 7,210-vote majority at the 2019 general election.

Much of the previous discussion of Mr Johnson's remarks in the Commons over Partygate has focused on whether he deliberately, rather than accidentally, misled MPs.

But the committee has published advice from Eve Samson, the Commons's top expert on parliamentary privilege, suggesting that "in broad terms, intention is not necessary for a contempt [of Parliament] to be committed".

It also says its inquiry will continue despite Mr Johnson's resignation as prime minister over Partygate and other controversies.

The committee intends to call Mr Johnson to give oral evidence in public in the autumn, under oath.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62252046

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Cummings: Johnson is supporting Truss as he thinks it's the best way to stop Sunak and there's a chance she'll mess up and there will be another leadership contest where he can make a return.
https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/stat...82798608785408

ianch99 21-07-2022 15:23
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We're screwed, Liz Truss it is then:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYMT2MeX...jpg&name=small

Apparently she will rebrand the UK as "Fantasy Island"

Mr K 21-07-2022 16:35
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36129009)
We're screwed, Liz Truss it is then:

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Apparently she will rebrand the UK as "Fantasy Island"
Don't think they're that impressed with the choices. 4 000 of them and have sent in a petition to get Boris on the ballot paper!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...place-him.html

1andrew1 21-07-2022 17:04
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36129011)
Don't think they're that impressed with the choices. 4 000 of them and have sent in a petition to get Boris on the ballot paper!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...place-him.html
Can't see that working out based on the possibility (however low) of Johnson having to fight a by-election in the Autumn.

Julian 21-07-2022 18:43
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36129014)
Can't see that working out based on the possibility (however low) of Johnson having to fight a by-election in the Autumn.
I suggest he won't bother. ;)

1andrew1 21-07-2022 19:08
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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36129020)
I suggest he won't bother. ;)
Good call.

Hugh 22-07-2022 16:31
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/l...guru-pgv57p5jz

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Interest rates will have to rise as high as 7 per cent to allow tax cuts, according to Liz Truss’s economic guru.

Professor Patrick Minford said that despite fears over mortgages higher interest rates were “a good thing” because they protected savings and killed off “zombie companies” that were holding the economy back…

…Minford cited EU limits on working hours, union powers and employee consultation rights as rules that Truss should scrap to boost growth, saying: “One of things Boris Johnson refused to touch was the labour market and that makes no sense at all.”

However, he said that, unlike in the 1980s, environmental and medical regulation were now the rules that needed to be relaxed after Brexit to boost growth. He wants to reverse the EU’s “highly risk averse approach” and shift to a system where instead of banning things in case they cause harm, people are compensated afterwards if they do.
I wonder if the 24% (2,640,000) of mortgage-holders with Variable Rate mortgages will think that 7% interest rates are a good thing?

Paul 22-07-2022 17:03
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36129089)
I wonder if the 24% (2,640,000) of mortgage-holders with Variable Rate mortgages will think that 7% interest rates are a good thing?
Unlikely, but savers will - atm, the reverse is true.

Damien 22-07-2022 17:08
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Without proper regulation there will be a lot of predatory companies targeting vulnerable customers with dodgy financial products. One thing the Government doesn't get enough credit for - both Tory and Labour post '08 - is how terrified banks are at getting caught misselling and how much better-protected consumers are now. They operate on the basic principle that an ordinary person needs to understand the product without prior knowledge, not hiding dodgy stuff in the small print and blaming the customer for not reading/understanding it.

Anyone who advocates abolishing this kind of regulation by trying to pretend it's a Brexit Bonus is hiding their true intentions to screw you over.

OLD BOY 22-07-2022 19:50
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36129092)
Without proper regulation there will be a lot of predatory companies targeting vulnerable customers with dodgy financial products. One thing the Government doesn't get enough credit for - both Tory and Labour post '08 - is how terrified banks are at getting caught misselling and how much better-protected consumers are now. They operate on the basic principle that an ordinary person needs to understand the product without prior knowledge, not hiding dodgy stuff in the small print and blaming the customer for not reading/understanding it.

Anyone who advocates abolishing this kind of regulation by trying to pretend it's a Brexit Bonus is hiding their true intentions to screw you over.
Sensible regulation that educates people on what they are getting into is not the issue. The problem is the mindless bureaucracy that has people jumping through hoops for no good reason.

Hugh 22-07-2022 20:02
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36129111)
Sensible regulation that educates people on what they are getting into is not the issue. The problem is the mindless bureaucracy that has people jumping through hoops for no good reason.
Do you have an example in Financial Services of ‘mindless bureaucracy’, please?

1andrew1 22-07-2022 23:31
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36129112)
Do you have an example in Financial Services of ‘mindless bureaucracy’, please?
Doesn't apppear so.

Hugh 23-07-2022 10:14
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https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www....ter-next-year/

<shocked face> (not really)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1658567670

Mr K 23-07-2022 10:40
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36129144)
There are definitely similarities with Trump... No wonder they love each other as well as themselves !

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Although the prospect of Dizzy Lizzy or Slimy Sunak doesn't seem to be inspiring the populace:-

Labour would win a majority (just!) if an election was held today

LAB: 327 MPs (+125)
CON: 223 (-142)

https://mobile.twitter.com/BritainEl...62471642791939

Paul 23-07-2022 11:44
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36129146)
Labour would win a majority (just!) if an election was held today

LAB: 327 MPs (+125)
CON: 223 (-142)

https://mobile.twitter.com/BritainEl...62471642791939
You mean much like polls said remain would win ?

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I cannot see how BJ would be back, surely that would require the current winner to resign, followed by another leadership election he would win - that seems .... unlikely.

jfman 23-07-2022 11:53
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36129156)
You mean much like polls said remain would win ?
https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

Polls were much more split than many recall, in particular as the campaign moved into May and June 2016. Earlier than that undecideds and the inherent margin of error have many polls have leave very much in the game even if they did lean remain.

OLD BOY 23-07-2022 14:10
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36129156)
I cannot see how BJ would be back, surely that would require the current winner to resign, followed by another leadership election he would win - that seems .... unlikely.
Unless, of course, he forms a new party. Team Boris and Nige would cause quite a stir!

Pierre 23-07-2022 16:22
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36129146)
Although the prospect of Dizzy Lizzy or Slimy Sunak doesn't seem to be inspiring the populace
This is the problem, I am totally unenthused by both. Truss because she comes across as incompetent fool (and that’s saying something considering who she’s replacing) and Sunak because he can’t pretend he wasn’t one of the guys with their hand on the tiller ove the last 3 years.

Labour continue to offer nothing, the lead Labour now have has nothing to do with any policy or proposition proposed by them. It’s purely down to the Tory implosion.

If Labour were smart they’d ditch Starmer now.

ianch99 23-07-2022 16:25
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36129183)
This is the problem, I am totally unenthused by both. Truss because she comes across as incompetent fool (and that’s saying something considering who she’s replacing) and Sunak because he can’t pretend he wasn’t one of the guys with their hand on the tiller ove the last 3 years.

Labour continue to offer nothing, the lead Labour now have has nothing to do with any policy or proposition proposed by them. It’s purely down to the Tory implosion.

If Labour were smart they’d ditch Starmer now.
Fair summary ..

TheDaddy 23-07-2022 16:28
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36129167)
Unless, of course, he forms a new party. Team Boris and Nige would cause quite a stir!

Wonder what the name of this new team would be, Team Lie seems quite apt and the stir they'd cause would be them stood there trying to out fib one another, mind you I can't see the team lasting long, 'nige' said he'd leave the country if Brexit failed, unless he's using the victorian wretches timetable he won't be here much longer, of course he may have been lying when he said that though :shocked:

Paul 23-07-2022 17:46
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36129167)
Unless, of course, he forms a new party. Team Boris and Nige would cause quite a stir!
How would that help, any new party would have zero seats or power.

ianch99 23-07-2022 18:16
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36129188)
How would that help, any new party would have zero seats or power.
It would help as it would split the Tory vote :)

Damien 23-07-2022 18:57
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If he really does think he can get back in then he is assuming the next person will crash and burn and the Tory party turns its lonely eyes to him.

There is another scenario in that The Telegraph is pushing for a members' revolt that demands that Johnson's resignation is put before them so they can vote not to accept.

jfman 23-07-2022 19:03
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I’m not sure my sides could take the laughter.

Sephiroth 23-07-2022 19:13
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36129196)
If he really does think he can get back in then he is assuming the next person will crash and burn and the Tory party turns its lonely eyes to him.

There is another scenario in that The Telegraph is pushing for a members' revolt that demands that Johnson's resignation is put before them so they can vote not to accept.
I'm an avid Torygraph reader and the relevant article (maybe paywalled https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-tory-members/ ) is a straightforward piece of reporting. The Torygraph is not "pushing for a members' revolt".

Indeed the opposite is true with this piece of editorial:

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This Conservative Government set out to improve life, employment and services in areas that had suffered neglect. But despite the Prime Minister’s claim this week that his mission was “largely accomplished”, the reality is that – as the former Secretary of State for Levelling Up, Michael Gove, has pointed out – instead of the broken being fixed, once reliable “core functions” of government are now breaking too.


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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36129197)
I’m not sure my sides could take the laughter.
Only one way of finding out!

Mr K 23-07-2022 19:14
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36129200)
I'm an avid Torygraph reader and the relevant article (maybe paywalled https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-tory-members/ ) is a straightforward piece of reporting. The Torygraph is not "pushing for a members' revolt".

Indeed the opposite is true with this piece of editorial:
Boris should get his armed pensioner support to storm Parliament. If it good enough for Trump....
The first thing they'll need to find is the toilets ;)

OLD BOY 23-07-2022 20:13
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36129185)
Wonder what the name of this new team would be, Team Lie seems quite apt and the stir they'd cause would be them stood there trying to out fib one another, mind you I can't see the team lasting long, 'nige' said he'd leave the country if Brexit failed, unless he's using the victorian wretches timetable he won't be here much longer, of course he may have been lying when he said that though :shocked:
The ‘Freedom Party’ seems to encapsulate the mood.

Incidentally, Brexit hasn’t failed.We haven’t even begun to take advantage of our freedom from Big Brother yet.

Sephiroth 23-07-2022 20:25
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36129212)
The ‘Freedom Party’ seems to encapsulate the mood.

Incidentally, Brexit hasn’t failed.We haven’t even begun to take advantage of our freedom from Big Brother yet.
,,,, because of the shit government we've been under.

jfman 23-07-2022 20:29
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36129212)
The ‘Freedom Party’ seems to encapsulate the mood.

Incidentally, Brexit hasn’t failed.We haven’t even begun to take advantage of our freedom from Big Brother yet.
:rofl:

OLD BOY 23-07-2022 20:36
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36129217)
,,,, because of the shit government we've been under.
No, because of Covid and Starmer’s obsession with infiltration of cakeism into the heart of government.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36129221)
:rofl:
Calm down, jfman, you are becoming hysterical now.

If you don’t understand, go and eat a proper meal. It might restore an element of rationality to your troubled mind.

My advice is free and immediate, but you can take NHS advice at their leisure if you prefer.

:D

Mr K 23-07-2022 20:37
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36129212)

Incidentally, Brexit hasn’t failed.We haven’t even begun to take advantage of our freedom from Big Brother yet.
It's an utter failure OB. That's why Brexiteers can't stop harping on about Brexit and blaming anything or anything else for its failure. Trying justify themself to themselves maybe? Move on , remoaners have !

The French took back control this weekend at Dover. Fair enough I guess its their border. Can't understand why everyone is so desperate to leave this green and pleasant land anyway, and go to the EU they hate so much (in their German BMWs/Audis !) Drink Brown Ale and go to Skeggy and enjoy Brexit ;)

OLD BOY 23-07-2022 20:43
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36129225)
It's an utter failure OB. That's why Brexiteers can't stop harping on about Brexit and blaming anything or anything else for its failure. Trying justify themself to themselves maybe? Move on , remoaners have !

The French took back control this weekend at Dover. Fair enough I guess its their border. Can't understand why everyone is so desperate to leave this green and pleasant land anyway, and go to the EU they hate so much (in their German BMWs/Audis !) Drink Brown Ale and go to Skeggy and enjoy Brexit ;)
As I said, Brexit has yet to be implemented.

As for France, I think they had better be careful. If they keep putting problems in our way, we may just have to use a different port of entry to the continent.

Mr K 23-07-2022 20:48
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36129227)
As for France, I think they had better be careful. If they keep putting problems in our way, we may just have to use a different port of entry to the continent.
Where would that be ? Port Stanley? Bit of a long way round....

OLD BOY 23-07-2022 20:51
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36129231)
Where would that be ? Port Stanley? Bit of a long way round....
Are you OK,Mr K? Rotterdam is substantially closer, is it not?

jfman 23-07-2022 20:52
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36129227)
As I said, Brexit has yet to be implemented.

As for France, I think they had better be careful. If they keep putting problems in our way, we may just have to use a different port of entry to the continent.
Such a shame those German car manufacturers never came through.

Mr K 23-07-2022 20:55
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36129233)
Are you OK,Mr K? Rotterdam is substantially closer, is it not?
Think you might find the EU act as one, part of the advantage. The border with France is an EU border, just like the one in Rotterdam.

OLD BOY 23-07-2022 20:57
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36129239)
Think you might find the EU act as one, part of the advantage. The border with France is an EU border, just like the one in Rotterdam.
The French are much more difficult, and Macron is a piece of work. A bit of competition would do no harm at all.

Hugh 23-07-2022 21:15
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36129233)
Are you OK,Mr K? Rotterdam is substantially closer, is it not?
A few salient points you may not have taken into consideration.

Dover to Calais ferry crossing - 90 minutes
Harwich to Rotterdam ferry crossing - 390 minutes

Extra driving time from Rotterdam to Lille (kicking off point to travel to most points in France) - 150 minutes.

Your proposal would add on an extra 7.5 hours each way travelling to France…

jfman 23-07-2022 21:17
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36129252)
A few salient points you may not have taken into consideration.

Dover to Calais ferry crossing - 90 minutes
Harwich to Rotterdam ferry crossing - 390 minutes

Extra driving time from Rotterdam to Lille (kicking off point to travel to most points in France) - 150 minutes.

Your proposal would add on an extra 7.5 hours each way travelling to France…
Ah but we will have that bonfire of (unspecified) EU regulations to make up for it!

Paul 23-07-2022 21:52
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36129225)
It's an utter failure OB.
Aside from your opinion, how is it an "utter failure" ?
I'm pretty sure it was implemented on 31 January 2020.

GrimUpNorth 24-07-2022 09:25
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36129185)
Wonder what the name of this new team would be, Team Lie seems quite apt and the stir they'd cause would be them stood there trying to out fib one another, mind you I can't see the team lasting long, 'nige' said he'd leave the country if Brexit failed, unless he's using the victorian wretches timetable he won't be here much longer, of course he may have been lying when he said that though :shocked:
The Conswervatives, party slogan could be You know we're pulling the wool over your eyes and we sidestep the truth but we don't care.

Thinking about it, the present lot may say it's a bit of a copyright issue as it's so close to the original in name and meening!!

1andrew1 24-07-2022 09:44
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36129227)
As I said, Brexit has yet to be implemented.
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36129257)
Aside from your opinion, how is it an "utter failure" ?
I'm pretty sure it was implemented on 31 January 2020.
I think Old Boy needs to read your post as he's still under the impression that Brexit has not been implemented.

For the record, Johnson cited it as one of his achievements alongside Covid vaccine roll out and supporting Ukraine.

OLD BOY 24-07-2022 11:13
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36129292)
I think Old Boy needs to read your post as he's still under the impression that Brexit has not been implemented.

For the record, Johnson cited it as one of his achievements alongside Covid vaccine roll out and supporting Ukraine.
We have left the EU but we have yet to exploit the benefits.

1andrew1 24-07-2022 11:18
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36129295)
We have left the EU but we have yet to exploit the benefits.
There's a good reason why we've not been able to find any to exploit after two and a half years of trying. Clue: It's not because of Covid.

Paul 24-07-2022 12:24
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36129296)
There's a good reason why we've not been able to find any to exploit after two and a half years of trying. Clue: It's not because of Covid.
What is it then ?

mrmistoffelees 24-07-2022 12:28
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36129300)
What is it then ?
Government incompetence ?

ianch99 24-07-2022 12:43
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36129257)
Aside from your opinion, how is it an "utter failure" ?
I'm pretty sure it was implemented on 31 January 2020.
You judge it on what was promised and the tangible, positive benefits we would receive.

1andrew1 24-07-2022 13:02
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36129300)
What is it then ?
The only benefits are marginal, require a lot of hard work by a functional government, and can readily be replicated by the EU if they make sense.

mrmistoffelees 24-07-2022 14:36
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36129305)
The only benefits are marginal, require a lot of hard work by a functional government, and can readily be replicated by the EU if they make sense.
Blue passports !!!!

1andrew1 24-07-2022 15:23
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36129313)
Blue passports !!!!
lol but as we know, we could have blue passports whilst in the like Croatia does.

Paul 24-07-2022 15:43
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36129305)
..and can readily be replicated by the EU if they make sense.
:rofl:

Sephiroth 24-07-2022 16:47
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36129313)
Blue passports !!!!
Well worth all the bother!

Mr K 24-07-2022 17:01
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One of the benefits of not being in the EU us that you get you see a lot more of Dover, every inch of it ! ;)

Whilst you could have previously just been waved through with your nice maroon EU passport. Your spiffing blue one, will have to be checked, stamped, a reason for your visit given and proof you have sufficient funds. They don't want any pesky British immigrants nicking their jobs/claiming asylum...

mrmistoffelees 24-07-2022 17:02
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36129320)
Well worth all the bother!
Indeed as is all the miles and miles of sovereignty ;)

ianch99 24-07-2022 17:36
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Call me a rebel but back on the original topic, the two PM candidates seem to over exerting themselves to target the xenophobic right of the Tory Party. I am not sure this is a good strategy, the Rwanda policy was always an all show, no substance PR trick, aimed at this core audience. It demonstrates no original, new thinking

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYawpCNX...g&name=360x360

Sephiroth 24-07-2022 18:09
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36129328)
Call me a rebel but back on the original topic, the two PM candidates seem to over exerting themselves to target the xenophobic right of the Tory Party. I am not sure this is a good strategy, the Rwanda policy was always an all show, no substance PR trick, aimed at this core audience. It demonstrates no original, new thinking

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Sadly, you're right. That said, I do want them each to explain exactly how they will stop the illegal migrants - mainly young fit men without documentation. I am, of course, sympathetic to mothers with children.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36129324)
One of the benefits of not being in the EU us that you get you see a lot more of Dover, every inch of it ! ;)

Whilst you could have previously just been waved through with your nice maroon EU passport. Your spiffing blue one, will have to be checked, stamped, a reason for your visit given and proof you have sufficient funds. They don't want any pesky British immigrants nicking their jobs/claiming asylum...
Great - I can now at last accumulate Stempels from across Europe and play "where I've been" more effectively. I can also practice my French, German and Polish where necessary.

Incidentally I once asked for my "nice maroon EU passport" to be stamped and the man refused.

Paul 24-07-2022 21:05
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36129324)
Whilst you could have previously just been waved through with your nice maroon EU passport. Your spiffing blue one, will have to be checked, stamped, a reason for your visit given and proof you have sufficient funds.
I still have a maroon passport, as do many other people.
Stamped, yes, a reason and funds ? nope wasnt asked about either.

tweetiepooh 25-07-2022 17:13
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36129156)
You mean much like polls said remain would win ?

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I cannot see how BJ would be back, surely that would require the current winner to resign, followed by another leadership election he would win - that seems .... unlikely.
He could be back at number 10 but as what?? And which number 10: 10 Acacia Avenue?


(OK I'm sure the article was clearer than the headline!)

BenMcr 25-07-2022 19:51
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36129156)
I cannot see how BJ would be back, surely that would require the current winner to resign, followed by another leadership election he would win - that seems .... unlikely.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-tory-members/

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Boris Johnson tells friend: I don’t want to resign and will stay on if Tory members back me
Premier would ‘wipe away everything that stops me being PM in a second’ as he says unequivocally that he wishes to carry on

Damien 25-07-2022 21:14
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Sunak is so much better at this. I don't understand what the Tory Members see in Truss.

peanut 25-07-2022 21:18
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36129487)
Sunak is so much better at this. I don't understand what the Tory Members see in Truss.
Maybe because of what they see in Sunak is the reason Truss is the favourite.

Mr K 25-07-2022 22:02
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36129487)
Sunak is so much better at this. I don't understand what the Tory Members see in Truss.
They see tax cuts for themselves, at a time of massive national debt, and the next generation having to pay for it. The most selfish generation ever.

Sunak is certainly the most realistic of the two.

1andrew1 25-07-2022 23:18
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36129487)
Sunak is so much better at this. I don't understand what the Tory Members see in Truss.
Maybe there's other reasons apart from ability? Someone who's not so wealthy? A female leader in contrast to Johnson and Starmer?

Personally, I rate Sunak far higher than Truss.


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