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It has nothing to do with food standards per se. The EU says it has no safety concerns over chlorinated chicken.

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I just love that the EU are losing their Sh|t over this, reading the articles on the news apps tonight is brilliant.

It’s like an exHusband/wife trying to tell you what to do.

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Apparently, "Difficult and highly exceptional circumstances" is the new "In a limited and specific way"...

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That's so this morning! Jonathan Jones's is walking all over BoJo this evening! :D

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If I credit the government, and I don’t want to - I don’t know if it is intentional. But this is the perfect negotiation tactic.

It basically puts out there that we are doubling down on a potential no deal.

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I think getting excited over the performative noises the respective parties make outside of internal negotiations is like getting excited over the banter boxers make before a fight.

I suspect, like the boxers themselves, those involved are on more amicable terms than the audience might suspect or want to believe.

The public framing of this as a big fight might help Boris Johnson sell any concessions to people if it appears he 'stuck it' to the EU whereas the EU might find any concessions easier to sell if they are seen to stick to their guns.

A good public fight isn't always bad for those involved. If it's anything like political punditry it's quite profitable.

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The U.K. side has just deliberately made it harder to reach a deal with the EU. If there was any lingering doubt in Brussels over whether we were serious, or likely to blink and cave in like Teresa May, well then hopefully they now have clarity. If the EU wants a deal it is going to have to stop mucking about with preconditions that treat us like a client state.

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I love how our Attorney General, cites in her Statement back to the EU that it was Gina Miller’s Supreme Court case that highlights that our parliament is sovereign and by saying this, that Miller herself has unwittingly become the Queen of Brexit. Cheers Gina. :rofl:

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Yes, the AGs statement indeed says that Parliament is sovereign and can therefore unilaterally negate any treaty it has signed through domestic legislation.

How this sits with Article 27 of the Vienna Convention;

I am not sure (note that this convention might not apply with supranational organisations, this is not clear) I guess we can legislate to ignore that too.

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Amusing as this all is, a key objective of the Brexit referendum in 2016 was to unite the Conservative Party. The key beneficiaries at the moment paradoxically seem to be Sir Keir and Nicola Sturgeon.

Judging by today's headlines, it's only worsening the Conservative Party's splits eg

Sky News: For heaven's sake, try and find some other way! Tory MPs urge PM not to override Brexit agreement

Daily Telegraph: Brexit battle lines have been redrawn - it's 2019 all over again

The Times: Dozens of Tory MPs prepare new Brexit revolt. Growing anger at bid to breach international law

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BREAKING: UK has signed its first major trade deal as an independent trading nation, worth £30 Billion with Japan.

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Butbutbut we don’t have the expertise, nobody wants a deal with little us, it’ll take years to make any deals :rofl:

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Hopefully BoJo has read it this time and won't decide to try and amend it nine months later. :D

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As the FT points out, it's basically maintaining the existing trade we can do via the EU-Japan FTA.

https://www.ft.com/content/1cb01980-...a-528c5b3b1807

Devil will be in the details though as to how it's different, as it will be an indication of what benefits (or downsides) we get by negotiating our own deals as an independent trading nation.

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Brexit talks will resume despite UK rejecting EU ultimatum

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54112973

a few quotes:

Now I'm not the brainiest chap here (although I can read without moving my lips), but it looks to me like a gentle nudge suggesting if no deal is what we end up with, changes to existing 'agreements' will be made to reflect this.

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Key area to watch is: Will the UK have a tariff-free export quota for agricultural produce as it does at the moment via the EU agreement?

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Anything close to the existing EU trade deal puts the kibosh on claims that the U.K. is less attractive as a sovereign trade partner than the EU as a bloc.

I have no doubt that in the long run, deals we do with other sovereign states and trading blocs will vary, offering greater benefits in some areas and compromises in others. This will demonstrate the flexibility we now have to negotiate deals that best fit our economy, although I have no doubt that remainers will gleefully pounce upon any compromise as evidence of our reduced negotiating heft.

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I'm not sure we can read much into one potential trade deal whose precise details have yet to surface, but it won't stop anyone doing precisely this. ;)

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It's everything to do with food standards. The issue isn't that the yanks chlorinate their chicken, the issue is that they do this because the rest of their standards are so abysmally low. EU (and current UK) food regulations require a high degree of standard throughout the life of the animal. US standards are much lower, so in order to minimise the risk of disease entering the food supply, they wash the chicken in a chlorine bath. You don't need to do that if you keep your chickens healthy.

I'm seeing other countries, former tory MPs, current tory MPs, the house of lords and, of course, the "opposition" complaining about this, not just the EU.

Also, don't try to bypass the swear filter or Admin Mick will send you a nasty warning. I got one for using *'s instead of words and that was reason enough, so I can only assume everyone on this board is treated to the same high standard.

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Japan Deal

Rumours filtering through from the far reaches of the galaxy suggest it's the same deal the EU has with Japan.

Obviously these rumours could be caused by a cataclysmic event (i.e. one person posting something on twitter) and the ripples and echoes of this are spreading ever outward ;)

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The same deal with Japan would make sense since a lot of the work has been done and can be reused. I did hear (also on Twitter) that we're less stringy about people coming here to work temporarily in services than the EU deal.

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Yeah, that's a strange line as the Northern Ireland Protocol of the Withdrawal Agreement is here to stay until at least January 2025 when it is due to be reviewed.

The only way I can see the Protocol going is either a mutual or unilateral abandonment which will throw the Good Friday Agreement down the drain or something that makes the Protocol redundant which could only be a whole UK solution. This would need to be as good (or as bad depending on how you look at it) as the interactions between Northern Ireland and the EU (Single Market, Freedom of Movement, etc)

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Let's hope this deal tips a few more into the bag. The stopwatch is ticking.

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Whether it's broadly along the same lines as the EU deal is neither here nor there. Why wouldn't you use an existing document where much of the blurb has already been done. What we now have is the freedom to tweak such agreements to the mutual benefit of both parties on certain items. Which we can do quickly and with utility, and not have to take into consideration or have agreement from umpteen other nations.

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Possibly because you don't own the copyright to it?

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I doubt that would be an issue. Besides it's as much Japan's document as it is the EU's.

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The NI Protocol says that certain matters have to be decided by the Joint Committee. As the committee has only had 2 meetings and hasn't decided anything, what else is the UK expected to do? Anyway, why should the IRA dictate what GB can and cannot ship to NI? If it's not the IRA determining anything, how come people keep saying that "X threatens the peace process"? IE We have to do what the IRA is happy with or they will "kick off".
If the EU block UK exports to the EU, then that is Ireland well and truly stuffed.:D Well they're the ones blocking everything, now and before.
Link

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Asleep at the wheel? Did BoJo not know what he signed?
https://www.ft.com/content/de1af530-...c-905e86288c6c

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I think the obvious answer to your question is that yes, he did know what he signed, because he was in receipt of a 10-page briefing document containing explicit warnings. ;)

I suspect BoJo’s attitude towards that was, at the time, most likely summed up by “we’ll cross that bridge when we get to it”. Now we’ve got to it, we see how they plan to cross it.

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What an amazing political strategist our PM is.

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Depends on whether your analogy works or not though doesn’t it.

I don’t think your analogy works - Brexit is not a burning building. Obviously continuity remainers who still can’t accept the referendum result have a stake in promoting that view though.

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So what exactly was the alternative? A hard Brexit? The NI protocol is meant to be a backstop, ie something that shouldn't be needed, as long as the EU negotiate in "good faith".

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The analogy is simple: He was warned, he chose to ignore the warning and now if he gets burned it's his own fault. Not Brexit, just his actions over the last 8 months.

EDIT: Also - It's still (somehow) too early to tell if Brexit is a burning building or not. Give it a few years and we'll see if it's a success or if the economic downturn is COVID's fault.

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The concerns expressed about BoJo before he became PM were that he was was lazy, suggesting he wouldn't bother with reading such documents and would wing it. It's impossible to prove one way or the other. But it could explain why it was left in the Withdrawal Agreement.

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Was it possibly something that had to be included, otherwise the EU wouldn't accept the agreement?

Just guessing at why it was maybe left in at the time :shrug:

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So did nobody read it and point it out?:rolleyes: It was hardly a secret document. The expectation was that it wouldn't be needed in the first place. The Withdrawal Agreement is only meant to be transitional(according to the EU Treaty). The legal(and every other) definition of "transitional" is that it is a "passing phase", and not for all eternity.

How would it be acceptable for another country to dictate what could and could be shipped from GB to NI?

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I'll take a cue from you in my response.
Since when has it been it acceptable for a third country to dump subsidised goods into the EU Single Market? :rolleyes:

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When has it ever that the corrupted EU has ever acted in good faith?

Perfectly valid legal arguments which suggest the EU is the rule/treaty/law breaker here.... not the UK!

1. Essential condition of participating in Withdrawal Agreement (WA) : to secure a free trade agreement (FTA)
2. The EU has been acting in breach of a material term of the WA by denying the UK an FTA
3. The EU has attempted to impose wholly unreasonable restrictions on the UK which no other country would accept
4. The treaty was therefore entered into by the UK on a false premise from the EU
5. The EU has breached its legal obligation to act in good faith
6. The WA breaks the terms of the Good Friday Agreement
7. The WA is in breach of the ECHR principle of the right to vote
8. The WA is in breach of the UN Charter's principle of “self-determination”, its most important tenet
9. The UK Government must now pass an Act of Parliament superseding and revoking the WA

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Since always. Any loss making business, whether funded by taxpayers, business loans, or spare business captial is being "unfairly" propped up. Where is the evidence that is the plan? NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. In the main it is Labour, SNP, Lib Dems that are in favour of massive state subsidies. The EU Props up whole countries and industries. Poland alone gets several billion each year. Even a non-EU member such as Turkey gets massive assistance.
Under the NI Protocol, the EU could continue to subsidise businesses and countries in the EU, but PREVENT GB from doing the SAME in NI. We would have to ask for their agreement first. Which other non-EU country in the universe allows that? As with so many other issues, which other non-EU country in the universe is ASKED by the EU to do that?

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Cummings is a believer in state subsidy and in picking winners. He's no Conservative. It's up to entrepreneurs to pick winners as they tend to have more success than the state in doing so. Hence the country becomes richer and can afford to spend more on public services.

If state subsidy wasn't an issue then we would have signed a deal with the EU by now and we we wouldn't have gambled £400m on OneWeb.

The real tragedy is that the Withdrawal Agreement was perceived as BoJo's one policy success story.

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Theresa May's deal was actually better. BoJo just accepted the EU's original offer and it has come back to bite him!

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And the evidence still unsurprisingly completely missing.:rolleyes: Where do you get this idea that the NI protocol is purely about state subsidies? Any evidence? Even if it was, it's still a requirement that the EU doesn't ask of other countries, is a matter for a UK Parliament, and certainly not something that should have to depend on EU approval. If it was about a "level playing field", then the EU would have to ask our approval of anything they wanted to do. Is that the case? Of course not, it's solely about the EU DICTATING to us.

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EU idea of a level playing field

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/09/5.png

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It's all linked to the Good Friday Agreement and the island of Ireland approach with no borders. Understand that and the rest will fall into place.

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So still no evidence of any of your claims.
So where exactly in the GFA say, that the EU rules over NI? Where does it say that NI is to be a separate customs territory to GB?
If anything the GFA says that Ireland and the EU can't block a UK trade deal with the EU. It is Ireland and the EU insisting on a hard border, NOT the UK.
Has this happened yet?
The IRA are still active and armed.
As well as the INLA.

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I think that's it, but he would also have been mindful of the political declaration that both sides wanted a no tariff trade deal. If the EU does not renege on that, we won't have a problem. Boris is acting now because the EU is threatening a no deal. Clearly, he thinks that by threatening this, the EU will have less of a lever.

It's just politics, no need to blow this out of all proportion, although we all know that some remainers do like to have their fun!

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The solution seems to be that the Republic and NI are both in the Single Market (or very close to it) or both out of it and the Republic won't leave the EU.
This article sums up the issue: https://flipchartfairytales.wordpres...johnsons-suez/

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"War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”

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It's okay, we've got the Japanese one to make up for it, we can sell as much cheese to a nation where 80% of the population are lactose intolerant as we like

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They do like a nice bit of fish though ;) :D

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Really? How do you explain Japan being the third largest importer of Dairy poroducts in the world (11.3Billion of EU dairy exports)?

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And that would restrict trading between GB and NI and would even involve tariffs set by the EU. NI being outside of the UK customs territory would be against the NI protocol. Still no evidence provided of your claims.
The solution is for the EU to stop blocking a trade deal.

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Chinese steel, not just the EU Single market but the global Market.

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If only the EU had imposed tougher tariffs on the Chinese...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a6962446.html

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Of course the biggest and longest running offenders are the EU with the Common Agricultural Policy.
Link

From 2015


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One of 14 countries, so not exactly a minority EU view.

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Don't know if I mentioned it ( ;) ) , but I really don't think Brexit was a good idea.

Everything so far has confirmed that. Irreparable long term damage to the country which could well break the UK up. It's brought the worst, most untalented politicians to the fore, who only have self interest.

Many belatedly now realise it, but won't swallow humble pie...

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Sorry, Mr K, but you have no proof of this yet. When (if) you ever do, we can discuss it.

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Very helpful.. :erm:

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More evidence that BoJo is using the state aid provisions to prevent the EU signing a free trade deal with the UK.
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-th...talks-12069035

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Anything related to a potential break-up has Blair's sticky fingers all over it.

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It's a bit late discussing it years afterwards with Mr K as evidence by its very nature is always after something has happened.

You would be better discussing the current Government's own impact analysis, the many other pieces of analysis out there and looking at how the £ has performed since the referendum.

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Yes the so-called remoaner experts on here know better of course...:rolleyes:

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That's another curveball! Did you not mean Boris's sticky fingers? Tony Blair's not been in power for nearly 20 years!

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Evidence? Of what exactly? As far as state aid is concerned, it's a matter of who decides. "Level playing field" is a lot more than about state aid.

Link
Why on earth should the EU control that?

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Show me another solution to the Good Friday Agreement that keeps the Single Market intact?

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And people were talking about the UK breaking up long before Boris, before any referendum, and before 2010.

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Ah, the WMD guy......:rolleyes:

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The EU agreeing to a sensible trade deal. What is so complicated about that?
NI Protocol.

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It's been on offer from the EU since 2016.

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I was hoping we could forget him!

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:confused:How? No possible deal could be discussed or presented by anybody before the UK officially left the EU and the Transitional Agreement started. That is in the EU Treaty.

Even now there isn't a deal presented by the EU.:rolleyes: All there they've said, is that they're looking for an agreement on fishing BEFORE anything else can be discussed. They're saying they're going to steal our fish anyway, and sell them in EU without any tariffs, whereas any UK caught fish would have a tariff applied to sell in the EU. How is that a "level playing field". It is also why a Trade Deal MUST be in place BEFORE any discussions on fishing.

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The shape of deals can be seen here.
https://www.bdo.ie/en-gb/blogs/bdo-c...he-ukraine-fta

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So STILL no evidence of any deal presented to the UK, and certainly not one from 2016. The article is from 2 years ago.
The UK is the ONLY side to present even a draft example agreement.

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It's always been up to the UK to select from that smörgåsbord of options to use as the starting point for a deal.

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You stated...
So are you finally admitting that NOTHING is on offer from the EU and NOT from 2016?

From your 2 year old link.

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Imagine all the whinging that would happen if the EU came up with a precise deal! "Still telling us what to do even when we've left the EU!" etc. So the options were indicated in that graphic I linked to.

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So a hard border with waits of up to 9 hours at the border?
Your claim that the EU presented a deal in 2016, is a complete and utter lie.

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My Country, right or wrong - is that it?

Nice of you to tell us to forget the entire basis of BJ’s Election campaign...

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A range of deals was on on offer from 2016 as per my link.

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It's not really me who you should be worried about.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...ical-8b6dqrzcm

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No there wasn't. Where were the specific proposals to the UK in 2016? Did it include fishing rights? We didn't trigger Article 50 until 2017.

As I pointed out, the EU wasn't allowed to negotiate anything until the Transition phase started.

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Any specific offers would be whinged about and irrelevant as it's up to the UK to decide how much engagement with the EU it wants, knowing the implications of doing so. The general deals on offer were available for all to see, in that chart.

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Robert Peston reports that that John Major and Tony Blair have found Boris Johnson's claim to be honouring the Good Friday Agreement is the opposite of what he is actually doing.
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/13...219394/photo/1

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They've found nothing, they just disagree.

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They know more about the Good Friday Agreement than most people in the World let alone this forum.

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1) Those 2 complaining is yet more evidence that Boris is doing the right thing.
2) Then the EU better come up with a sensible deal. We can't be expected to keep giving in to the EU and the IRA(who are STILL armed, active, and threatening violence if they don't get their own way).

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So there were NO offers, YES or NO? NONE OF THOSE DEALS ARE OR EVER WERE ON OFFER TO THE UK. Eg which of those countries is being asked to give up their fishing waters?
If you actually look at "Picture A" in your link, you will see that there is NO red line in common with each of them. Therefore EACH of them doesn't have something or other that the EU is insisting we have ALL of. Eg Country A may have conditions X&Y, country B conditions Y&Z, country C conditions X&Z, but the EU is insisting on X&Y&Z and the rest of the alphabet for the UK.

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Nice loaded question (as in "have you stopped beating your wife?" Only "yes/no" answers allowed)...

Since I never believed we were "under the EU cosh", but were part of a economic grouping, I had no issues being part of it - but as we have now left, we need to agree a deal, and reneging on an agreement that was sold to us as "oven ready" and "best deal ever" is showing this government can’t be trusted to keep it’s word.

Or to complete my previous post -

"My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.”

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I'm genuinely saddened to see some of the headlines today* and the way that Great is being torn out of Great Britain. Not since the three-day week has the country's global reputation sunk so low.

As a Remainer who accepted the vote from day one, it is now more apparent than ever that BoJo is incapable of negotiating getting his ball back from the neighbours, let alone international treaties.

Even before the advent of Coronavirus, BoJo was showing the white flag to the EU on the Withdrawal Agreement but proclaiming success. Trying to alter it behind the EU's back is not the way things should be done if the country is to be taken seriously. Concentrating on Coronavirus has clearly seen the Government start to take apparent short cuts which are blowing up in its face. Witness the Conservative MPs' WhatsApp group called "What the F**** is going on?" reported by The Times yesterday.

We need goodwill and an extension so that we can get a good deal. The scales were already against us and they've sunk even lower through ineptitude.

* Some of the headlines include:

1. Brexit: Controversial bill has 'damaged trust', Irish minister tells Sky News
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-co...-news-12070693

2. Top lawyers slam Suella Braverman for wrecking UK’s reputation
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...uks-reputation

3. UK's former US ambassador [Kim Darroch] astonished at govt's 'extraordinary' plans to break international law

https://news.sky.com/story/former-pm...inues-12070632

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I'd say Boris is being both perfidious and hedgemonic, and we don't like that sort of thing ;)

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It’s only a problem if the EU/ UK don’t agree to a trade deal Isn’t it?

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It (Brexit) will always be a problem to some, and any infraction, however slight, will be met with loud cries of anger and legal challenges from the usual ex ministers, europhile lawyers, and the media that love a good headline.

I'm surprised we haven't beem kicked out of the world cup yet :rolleyes:

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Not sure what all the fuss is about, seeing as even sticking to the Protocol, it can legally ended in 4 years time. What is the real difference? Unless the expectation has always been that Ireland will continue to bully GB and NI over it, and keep it in place. That is why it's there in the first place.

Why is it the UK's responsibility to "maintain the EU single market", to the detriment of the UK single market? Yet again, no other country(eg US) would accept that.

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The UK shares a no-fence border with the EU of a few hundred miles. It is committed to keeping the Irish border this way.
Obviously, the US and other countries do not share such borders with the EU. The UK and Republic of Ireland joined the EU at the same time so it worked ok then.

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BREAKING: Prime Minister's chief negotiator, David Frost has tweeted a series of tweets in the last hour discussing how the EU threatened to block Food exports to Northern Ireland in their talks.

https://twitter.com/DavidGHFrost/sta...21856807211008

The EU has not been acting in good faith, (when has it ever?) when it has a legal obligation to do so, it has failed in this task to be so, yet you have the continuity Remainers, who still cannot see the wood for the trees, their precious EU can do no wrong, well they have here and those who still support these corrupted cretins, well shame on YOU!

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If within 4 years time it can all be ended anyway, what is the real difference with ending it now? Same end result.

The EU not using their "best endeavours, in good faith, and in full respect of their respective legal orders" to avoid all this, is breaking the protocol. It's the EU insisting the alternative is a hard border, NOT the UK.

Threats of it breaking the non-existent peace process, again breaks the protocol.

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You are very quick to claim a breach of trust by the UK, but you ignore the fact that the EU is responsible for this state of affairs and is itself breaching trust.

We know you only have eyes for the EU, Andrew, but you take your bias to extraordinary lengths.

What has happened to the promise of a Canadian-style deal that Barnier dangled in front of us not long ago? What happened to his reference to a no-tariff free trade deal he was happy to sign up to in the political declaration?

You read a lot, so you must be aware that the tweeking of the Withdrawal Agreement is necessary only if the EU fails to honour that political commitment, and that the tweeks are necessary to prevent a food blockade, which the EU have hinted at rather menacingly.

Open your eyes, Andrew. We are not asking for anything that the EU hasn't granted to other countries, yet you call the British government out on this. We will not relinquish our sovereignty or have our democracy undermined. We are leaving the jurisdiction of the EU whether they like it or not and if they won't strike a deal (thus flying in the face of common sense) then they won't get any allocation of our fish at all.

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 

No, he didn’t...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51549662