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This is just the press getting annoyed because they don't have much information.

What is it that people don't understand about not giving away your hand before negotiations begin?

Anyone who thinks that Theresa May is locked up in a dark room fishing random ideas from her head and coming up with nothing are seriously wide of the mark. She knows what she's doing and she's got people testing out all the angles. Her speech later this month will provide a bit of clarity for us to chew on although the full extent of our position will only be clear when negotiations begin.

In the meantime, we'll all have to be patient. The important thing is the we have all our ducks in a row when the negotiations start in March.

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The most-recommended comments from a poster on the Financial Times called NP1978 in response to Theresa May's interview today are worth a read.
"A very small percentage of UK voters want to leave the EU in this manner. Only stuck-in-the past Empire-dreaming right-wing sickening Tories like Johnson, Rees-Mogg, IDS, want this sort of disastrous split - quite simply because it won't affect (financially) them anyway, and they can feel again (perversely) that Brittania rules the waves again.

The majority just want a little less 'interference' - which is essentially the rubbish the awful red top press have drummed up.

This sort of split will leave our nation at the following juncture - at risk of breaking up economically and politically. Once the economy breaks up, the 'migration problem' will solve itself, as migrants do not migrate to poor countries (we should have seen so many people coming to our resource-poor island as a serious vote of confidence). On the political front, not immediately, as again the awful Tories will lie and spin - but for sure eventually, Scotland will rightly leave our Union. Ireland may unite. We are looking at a future country called England and Wales. Forget G8, we will not make G20.

As for the greatest city on the planet that is London - it will remain a major international city I feel. After all, London has been a major hub even before what is now the EU. However, without being the de facto capital of the European Union (500m bloc, the richest on the planet) and anti-immigrant messages blunting the appeal from elsewhere - I fear the city will lose its status as global number one. For rival cities, what a complete and utter gift."
Google: Theresa May indicates UK will leave single market or subscriber link at https://www.ft.com/content/6d28715a-...6aa8e#comments

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Yet you are interested if people spell Hillary's name right ... I quite liked my (unintentional) spelling and I think you understood what it said, right :)

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More doom and gloom with zero basis in fact and about as relevant as the time of day all these prophecy's of doom assume the EU continuing with no major issues a delusion in itself. Things won't be all roses and sunshine following brexit and there is going to be a lot of work for the government but it is not insurmountable by any means and the UK's prospects are still better out then in mid to longterm. As for scotland leaving the union can we please not pretend that's got anything to do with brexit because it doesn't the SNP had that aim long before the referendum.

You repeatedly say your behind brexit but constantly post nothing but negative information about it Andrew so cut the crap and just be honest about what you want because your becoming very boring.

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Yawn. :zzz:

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no its not worth a read at all ,you have cast your vote- you lost -now sit down on the brexit bus and enjoy the ride your further participation in brexit is not required ,
thank you
ding ding next stop brexit

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The bus that says let's spend £350 million on the NHS?

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I want Brexit to be as successful as possible. As I'm British and live in the UK, I've bags of self-interest in it.
I think it's useful to see what others are saying about Brexit and that's why I shared that post. My previous post was the write-up of the Sky News interview with the headline "Theresa May: Government not muddled over Brexit."
There have been lots of tales of worries in the past. The world didn't stop on 1/1/2000 despite talk of the millennium bug. I still read daily tails of Brexiters wanting the EU to fail but they've been busy predicting its demise since 1975. They went into overdrive to predict the imminent failure of the Euro since 1999 but that's survived the global financial crisis and is going nowhere soon. So I don't think the world will end when we leave the EU. But it will be worse off; the question is how much?
Ultimately, the UK has fared well from being within the EU. The days of dumping Austin Allegros with square steering wheels on obedient Commonwealth countries are long gone and having a market of an extra 440m people on its doorstep has benefited the UK enormously. Whether the benefits of membership have been shared between everyone in the UK is another matter.
I think in 2017 the country will start to see the negative effects of the Brexit vote as prices rise, incomes remain flat and businesses hold back from investing. The more the Government talks of a hard Brexit, the more that the Pound falls and the squeeze becomes worse. Sunday's interview has now resulted in the £ receiving a further knocking. I'm concerned that Theresa May will continue to put her party before the country. People who voted Brexit didn't do so to see themselves be 5% to 10% worse off. I'm concerned that people like Theresa May and Boris Johnson who can easily afford to take such a hit will do so for the sake of their party.

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That seems to be the modus operandi of most remoaners :shrug:

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This post is a perfect example of the disgraceful attitude from some Brexiters .Everybody is allowed a say in how Brexit will turn out not just those who voted to leave .The prince's Trust have just released the results of a survey which says that 16-25yr olds don't feel they have any control over their lives and with attitudes like the above it's not surprising they feel that way.

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Wrong , the attitude of some Brexiters needs a serious adjustment ,EVERYBODY is allowed a say in how Brexit turns out ,as Andrew has repeatedly said we are all Brexiters now regardless of how we voted .

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Absolute claptrap RR.:nono:

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Absolutely our success is dependant upon it.

But not on hard, soft, squelchy, sticky or fruity versions of Brexit.

As long as everyone understands that we are leaving the EU and all that entails, including the Single Market. Then we will negotiate our future relationship with the EU, which the remainers along with everybody else can have assay on what that new relationship will look like.

We are leaving the single market...................that's it.

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Well then they should have voted in greater numbers, shouldn't they? :D

We'll have to agree to disagree on that point :)

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See above :)

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Unlike in the Scottish independence referendum 16-18yr olds were not allowed to vote and considering they are the generation that will feel the full brunt of our decision i think that was deplorable We allow people who will be affected very little like pensioners a vote but deny the very generations that will be responsible for making it work in the near future a say in the matter

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Well said Martyh. Really must stop agreeing with you ... ;)

Young people are increasingly disengaged from politics. That is a worry for us all in the future. Politically it may suit the Govt. for the young not to vote, or be registered, but it backfired on them in the referendum.

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There are insifficient 16 and 17 years olds in this country even if they all registered, all turned out and all voted remain to overturn the result. Stop clutching at remoaner straws.

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I can't think of a bigger way to miss the point

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Well if more of the 18-25 yo range had voted we'd probably have stayed in.

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Just as selfish as any remoaner, are they not bright enough to realise if it does collapse we'll feel the shock waves whether we're in or our or doesn't that matter to them?

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They're far too busy being zombie pedestrians buried in their iphones to do something as real as voting.:rolleyes:

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Why would they bother when they are repeatedly told their opinion doesn't matter unless they vote the 'right way'.You ,Papa,Mick and plenty of others have repeatedly said that only those who voted to leave should have a say in the future .

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Should have had a few Pokemon in the voting stations! :D

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Now there's an idea. :tu:

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That would be rather difficult as it didn't exist then.

Had it remained as just the EEC the mediteranian wouldn't be in the situation they are and we would most likely still be a part of it.

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it says we send the EU £350 million per week

lets fund our NHS insted [ it doesn't say how much the nhs should get]:)

as a supporter of the National Horticultural Society i am over the moon at the possible injection of funds.

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That's clutching at straws, as this article explains. http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co...efend-350.html

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maybe some unknown hairdresser should take the bus to court .;)

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A lie, is a lie, is a lie.

No one is even trying to defend the £350m figure any longer. Such is the cynisism that lies are now acceptable to gain power/get what you want. It's depressing which ever side you're on. No wonder the young see it as pointless in voting.

Manifesto's at election time are also meaningless; we the electorate should insist they are contractually binding.

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Political parties materials should be open to challenge from the Advertising Standards Agency in the same way that organisations like Greenpeace are. http://www.thedrum.com/news/2016/09/...racking-advert

However, the UK's political parties voted to exempt themselves from the ASA's remit.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...advertisements

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I'm more concerned about how much we will have to pay to leave the EU.

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Interesting positioning from the Labour party.

Jeremy Corbyn: UK can be better off out of the EU
Jeremy Corbyn will use his first speech of 2017 to claim that Britain can be better off outside the EU and insist that the Labour party has no principled objection to ending the free movement of European workers in the UK.
Setting out his party’s pitch on Brexit in the year that Theresa May will trigger article 50, the Labour leader will also reach for the language of leave campaigners by promising to deliver on a pledge to spend millions of pounds extra on the NHS every week.
He will say Labour’s priority in EU negotiations will remain full access to the European single market, but that his party wants “managed migration” and to repatriate powers from Brussels that would allow governments to intervene in struggling industries such as steel.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...aged-migration

Britain lost its ranking of fifth largest economy to France as a result of the Brexit vote. Now its leadership of Nato looks threatened.

France bids to take Nato leadership role from Britain
Britain could lose its leading position within Nato after Brexit under options being discussed by member states.
The tradition that a British officer holds the No 2 military post in the alliance is under threat as other European countries eye the coveted role, the Royal United Services Institute think tank indicated. The move would represent a loss of prestige for Britain, which has filled the post of deputy supreme allied commander almost continually since Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery in 1951. The alliance has always been led by an American.

Subscription only link http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ne...tain-knlh7hrj6

Surprised that Liam Fox wasn't present.

UK in 'front seat' for US trade deal, top Republican says
Britain will be in the "front seat" to negotiate a new trade deal with the incoming Trump administration, a top Republican in the US Senate has said.
A US-UK trade deal would be a priority, Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman Bob Corker said after meeting Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38565192

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Indeed and one suspects there will be much weeping :bigcry::bigcry: and wailing :afire::afire: and gnashing of teeth then :grind::grind:.;)

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The animals know, if you voted leave I'd avoid southend, actually my best advice no matter which way you voted is to avoid southend full stop

http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/...o-voted-leave/

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my cat voted leave in the referendum he has no time for foreign interlopers trying to steal his job [guarding the shed roof and the wheelie bin ] he says the uk will be purrrrrfect once we leave .;)

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They might have more of a chance if they'd actually joined in with a foreign conflict in the last 15 years or so.

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Err, they've been involved in air strikes against is is Syria and Iraq in the last couple of years...
In Syria they were involved in air strikes before us, maybe why they are now ahead of us in Nato.

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France is such a strong terrorist target precisely because of its involvement in conflicts like Iraq and the Central African Republic.

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We're not that far behind after Bliar's Middle East adventures. Our only advantage is that being an island it's a little more obvious when people want to come here for whatever reason. Whereas with shengen open boarders....

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That's not how voting works and I think they know that.

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and they backed us and the US in Iraq and Afghanistan.............

Anyone remember "freedom fries" yes I'm sure the US will want them as their No.2

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Why don't you just acknowledge your statement was wrong? It's no big deal, we're all make mistakes.

For those wanting to read more about the NATO story which was behind a pay wall in The Times, it's now in The Telegraph. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ritain-brexit/

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HSBC chairman: Brexit could trigger 'Jenga tower' of City job loses
Douglas Flint [HSBC Chairman] told the Commons Treasury Select Committee, which is investigating the impact of the UK’s decision to leave the EU, that secession from the 28-nation bloc could spark an unpredictable number of job losses from the capital into Europe or elsewhere.
“The ecosystem in London is a bit like a Jenga tower,” Mr Flint said, referring to the popular game in which players must avoid toppling a tower of wooden blocks. “We don’t know if you pull one small piece out, whether nothing happens or indeed there is a more dramatic impact.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...ity-job-loses/

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..another sore loser remoaner. Let's see

"unpredictable number of job losses" - which clearly includes none at all

"we don't know if" - quite, so stop your posturing and get on with your job

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He's being asked questions by the Treasury Select Committee and these are his honest answers. It's part of his job to answer questions from Her Majesty's Government.
Surely you would prefer him to say what he has said than invent a figure?

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or he could have said "an unpredictable number of NEW jobs". Answering in the negative clearly shows his bias.

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He would need to be smoking an unusually strong brand of cigar if he were to pretend that Brexit would lead to job increases for his bank. ;) Many Brexiters acknowledge the job losses that Brexit may create in the City but see this as a positive in rebalancing the economy towards other areas like tourism and manufacturing.
Hopefully the UK will continue its evidence-based approach to Brexit.

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Snapchat apparently see the light, they're making London their international HQ

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Yes "we're" do.

I'm not wrong, they didn't commit ground forces In Iraq. They, along with pretty much every other European NATO nation, don't pull their weight or pay their way.

They haven't earned No.2 slot. Simple.

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Sources have it that the Govt. has lost the court case.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...may-article-50

Doubt it will really change anything though. MPs are too scared of their seats to vote for the good of the country.

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Brexit is going to happen Mr K so you better get used to it but that does not mean that one cannot have rational and constructive opinions on it whether some on this forum like it or not.

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You said that they'd not "actually joined in with a foreign conflict in the last 15 years or so".

They have - so your statement is wrong.

Whether they have earned the No. 2 slot is a different matter.

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Come on old chap, don't be squabblesome :sleep:

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Or perhaps they are scared of what the ramifications could be if MPs ignore Democracy and most importantly, they are voting for the good of the Country because we will be better out and I mean out completely.

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Staying in the EU is far from risk/cost free but you'd never think that based on all the one way rhetoric emanating from many on the remain side. I really could understand it if the EU was a haven of social stability, widespread economic growth and harmonious inter-state relationships but since when was it that and what are its long term prospects?

Furthermore we ought to expect a whole load of mind games from those we're going to be negotiating with and it strikes me as odd that some people seem willing to accept almost without question all the warnings, threats and otherwise from an institution which clearly doesn't want the UK to leave and has a vested interest in predicting the most dire consequences in an effort to weaken the UK's bargaining position. When all said and done the UK is, IIRC, the EU's second largest net contributor yet you'd often think it was the other way round...

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Brexit latest: Europe more at risk from hard financial Brexit than UK, says Mark Carney

The European Union is at greater risk than the UK if the two parties are unable to agree a financial transition phase for the City of London after Brexit in 2019, the Governor of the Bank of England, Mark Carney, has warned.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7521861.html

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But I thought he was a useless Bremoaner who should be fired? ;)

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Law of averages means he's got to get the odd thing right now and then ;)

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I think it's time everyone understood that hard brexit is what we will have the exit process basically gaurantees it and purposely so to try and prevent members from leaving. There is not going to be any deal on access to the single market despite what some might hope and while there are a plethora of doom and gloom predictions especially about the financial sector the freedom the UK will have to make the UK an attractive place greatly increase.

There is no easy all skipping off into the future with this short term things will get difficult and have a cost to many of us but it is a price worth paying ultimately for the ability to adapt our nation to the entire world not just EU member states. For me and for a lot of others i know the referendum was not about me it was my belief in what will be better for my kids and grandkids and nothing has changed since i cast my vote. If the national division this has created was the only issue being honest I'd change my vote as i never wanted to damage my country but it isn't the only or even main issue.

It is funny how after we vote to leave all the growing problems within the EU have been forgotten and we'd be forgiven for thinking that the EU is this fantastic trouble free harmonious entity that you'd have to mentally ill to want to leave. It wasn't and it isn't and there are just as many experts that are pessimistic about the future of the EU as there are about brexit. Brexit is a complete unknown it's never happened before and no one knows anything for certain and over the last few months when I've had the chance to speak to various people that would qualify as experts they pretty much all agree that things are entering a period of great uncertainty.

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Well at least someone has finally accepted it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti..._campaign=1490

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Stay strong Rizzy. Even an uncertain freedom is preferable to a certain death ;).
Fixed to what he really wanted to say ;)

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Yes our reliable Papa seems to have developed a bit of convenient memory loss.;)

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A reminder of something Mick posted yesterday

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...7#post35879867

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Maybe he woke up and smelled the coffee? ;)

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My my old boy you seem to be following Papa in developing convenient memory loss as well but l forgive you.;):D

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It won't change anything, I heard gina miller interviewed last night and was impressed by her, she has a lot more about her in terms of integrity than most politicians I hear interviewed and if, if her claims about reasons for the case are true then She is a true patriot imo.

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links posted from news sources are not necessarily my opinion
i don't have the time or the crayons to keep explaining this ;)

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Strange how the links posted all seem to be one way, in line with opinions you have previously stated.

What a strange coincidence....;)

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May should call the vote on the day she loses the court case, if she does. I don't understand the drama from the Government on this, they know full well they have the votes. There may be attempts from some to be attach conditions but the public atmosphere will make that difficult and it would only be a minority of them anyway.

I wonder if the Government wouldn't actually mind more time to prepare and are finding this a useful way to delay whilst blaming others (who'll happily go along with any delay).

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That is the only logical reason

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They still seem to be making it up as they go along. Take today's £1,000 levy for employing EU staff which was suggested in the morning by Home Office minister Robert Goodwill and then ruled out by Theresa May in the afternoon following its condemnation. Seem to be picking up policy launch tips from Jeremy Corbyn!
http://news.sky.com/story/firms-coul...rexit-10725124

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Not at all. Mr Carney has evidently begun the process of distancing himself from his previous, ridiculous predictions about Brexit. Good for him; it takes courage to admit the man-in-the-street has more incisive leadership qualities.

It is part of a broader remoan tactic of embracing the terms of our EU departure so that our future success can be claimed for their acumen :rolleyes:.

Even the Chancellor is at it. He said ‘People like me who believed that it was better to remain inside the EU and to campaign for reform within, have moved on'. He too has realised that he got it wrong.

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Whatever the outcome of this, there will always be those who argue it would have been better had we done something different. The truth is that whatever we do there are multiple factors at work. Carney's rightly pointing out that the risks of Brexit don't all lie on this side of the Channel but what we actually doing is trying to negotiate something that's never been done with an institution which is itself in a state of change and facing huge challenges to its fundamental raison d'etre. Depending on what happens in places like Greece and much more importantly Italy, France and Germany we may well find that what seemed like the best way forward at the outset is no longer the most desirable or even realistic. You can be sure that whatever concerns and difficulties May and her team have they are more than replicated in the likes of Berlin, Paris, Rome etc. Don't expect the respective governments or Eurocrats to admit the scale of their problems or doubts however. Their entire existence is based upon an expanding EU and ever closer union and they'll continue to pursue that goal until they get their way or it falls apart. That's going to be the case irrespective of what the UK eventually agrees and yes we will feel a considerable impact from any EU problems even when we are outside the club. Hopefully the UK will have time to build new trade deals and exploit new markets in the meantime which can help mitigate the effects but if/when the EU's wheels do come off it will have global implications.

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he is working out his notice -but its good of him to finally tell the truth ,maybe its because he's not influenced by dodgy dave any more ;)

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Note Liam Fox's absence in drawing up the speech.

Theresa May expected to outline Brexit strategy on Tuesday
Theresa May will make a major speech on Brexit on Tuesday, Downing Street has confirmed.
The Prime Minister has been under pressure to set out the Government's strategy ahead of triggering Article 50 by the end of March and starting formal EU divorce negotiations.
Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson and Brexit Secretary David Davis have been involved in drawing up the contents of the speech.
http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-ma...esday-10726281

Will be interesting to see what happens to the £ after the speech.

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no doubt it will trigger another bout of pointless remoaning and straw clutching ideas .

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As always, prepare for the worst and hope for the best. The fact that Liam's being sidelined is a positive, shame about the other two. ;)

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Don't forget about the court case that will follow.

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another golden opportunity for a money launderer and a hair dresser to throw a spanner in the works . ;)

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How dare those leave-voting hairdressers sabotage what they voted for! :)

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... and how do you know what they actually voted for? Got any proof?

I voted to stay in but I've seen the error of my ways and now want out. Do you believe me? :)

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Anyway after suffering Obama trying so hard not to influence our referendum that he just had to tell the UK it'd be at the back of the queue for a trade deal if we dared to ignore him, it seems the mood may have changed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38600102

Yes, the UK might just be at the head of the queue now - sounds just as unequivocal doesn't it... ;)

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And it was good!

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Potentially good post-Brexit news for the City of London

EU negotiator wants 'special' deal over access to City post-Brexit

The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has shown the first signs of backing away from his hardline, no compromise approach after admitting he wants a deal with Britain that will guarantee the other 27 member states will continue to have easy access to the City.

Michel Barnier wants a “special” relationship with the City of London after Britain has left the bloc, according to unpublished minutes seen by the Guardian that hint at unease about the costs of Brexit on continental Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/business...ty-post-brexit

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I think that can be arranged :cool:

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Indeed; where do we sign? ;)

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If true it looks like the City's desired access can be sorted quite quickly and given how important that is to the UK's economy that would be a result. I suspect that we'll have to make concessions in other areas in exchange for control over immigration but we'll be more willing to concede those areas of the economy I would imagine.

In fact given the desire on all sides to avoid instability wouldn't it be great to have a City of London deal signed within a few months while the real work starts after?

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Agreed. I do wonder if Mark Carney knew this when he talked about the Brexit risk to the EU recently?

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Amateur baiting. You two are very naughty boys :D

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No the EU is starting to realise that the UK actually has strengths that they cannot replicate easily or cheaply and once the UK's main contribution ends they have to make up that shortfall. Now the dutch are saying freedom of movement needs radical reform and claim falling support for the current system and a few cracks are showing in the EU facade. People keep saying our government wants time because it has no plan I'm starting to think they want time for the cracks to show which only strengthens our negotiating position.

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It'll be a number of factors I reckon, including those. I've always said that far too many people have concerned themselves only with the UK's problems and overlooked (conveniently or otherwise) the EU's far more serious issues.

The Eurocrats don't like admitting their failures, mistakes or the fundamental flaws in their strategy for Europe. It doesn't surprise me one jot therefore that they carry on talking the tough talk as if the UK will be the only loser if they fail to compromise. They certainly won't be advertising all the private conversations with/pressure from worried German car makers and the like who'll be panicking about the possibility of not coming up with a sensible trade deal with the UK. What does surprise me is the number of people here who don't seem to realise this but believe that the EU has the whip hand and would sell the UK short to remain part of such a club. May needs to be resolute and carry on doing what she's doing. There are going to be errors of judgement along the way but what we can't afford to do is undermine our own objectives and shoot ourselves in the foot.

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It looks like reality is finally beginning to dawn on the EU! Why has it taken them so long?

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Pound slumps to 1980s levels as May defies will of the people* and opts for hard Brexit

Theresa May to lay out clean break from EU

Theresa May will test the nerves of currency markets on Tuesday when she declares that Britain is making a clean break from the EU and will not seek a deal that leaves the country “half in and half out”.

Mrs May’s comments will be seen as confirmation that Britain is leaving the single market — sometimes referred to as “a hard Brexit” — although she will leave open the door to the UK opting back in to parts of the customs union.

The pound briefly fell below the $1.20 mark on Monday — a level at which the currency has not regularly traded since 1985 — as markets prepared for Mrs May’s speech. The prime minister’s previous Brexit interventions have typically led to a fall in the pound.
Google headline or subscriber link at https://www.ft.com/content/8d94b1b2-...c-be108f1c1dce

* http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7530576.html

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She didn't defy my will

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Nor mine. Starting from such a strong position is a good way to get what you want especially as the EU appears to be softening.

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she's implementing the will of the people not defying it we voted out .

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Indeed and in full knowledge* of the potential consequences. What's needed now is strength and a solid position. I believe we should be negociating trade deals with other countries now in spite of the EU. What can they do? We're leaving and if necessary slamming the door.

*as the remoaners told us. :D

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Speech will be at 11:45 in case anyone else was wondering.

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Countries negotiating trade deals with us want to know what trade deal we have with the EU before they negotiate trade deals with us. That's the biggest stumbling block, not anything the EU can tell us to do or not tell us to do. The Government is aware of this.

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Channel 132, sorry 605 ;) and presumably all the news channels too.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

And you know this how? Are you a trade negotiator or is this merely your opinion?

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

It's a fact not an opinion.