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Mad Max 15-09-2017 17:45
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There are a lot of TV's with the Amazon app already available, I have Netflix and Amazon apps on my smart TV, and they
are really quick to open.

denphone 15-09-2017 17:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35916653)
There are a lot of TV's with the Amazon app already available, I have Netflix and Amazon apps on my smart TV, and they
are really quick to open.
The LG smart TV'S have all 3 including Now TV as well.

OLD BOY 15-09-2017 18:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35916653)
There are a lot of TV's with the Amazon app already available, I have Netflix and Amazon apps on my smart TV, and they
are really quick to open.
I know, and I am reasonably confident now that VM will also get it in the end. I just wish we were not always at the back of the queue.

Chad 15-09-2017 23:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35916623)
TV Player Plus has now been added to Freesat. I never knew they had so many restrictions:

https://tvplayer.com/channel-availab...content=473347

I wonder why this is??
That's good news. Makes Freesat a more appealing alternative. All the main catch up apps from BBC, ITV etc... plus YouTube, Netflix and now TV Player.

If SKY becomes too expensive I'd seriously consider switching. Just had a swizz through my SKY planner. All recordings are from either Freeview or channels covered by TV Player.

OLD BOY 16-09-2017 00:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35916671)
That's good news. Makes Freesat a more appealing alternative. All the main catch up apps from BBC, ITV etc... plus YouTube, Netflix and now TV Player.

If SKY becomes too expensive I'd seriously consider switching. Just had a swizz through my SKY planner. All recordings are from either Freeview or channels covered by TV Player.
Competition at work. Take note, Den.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35645636)
I've just compared the same movie across LF , Netflix and Now TV on a PS3 and the difference was unbelievable , Netflix easily produced the best PQ by a country mile , I would say Now TV shaded it in second over LF.
Which puts paid to those who shun Now TV on grounds of picture quality!

bubblegun 16-09-2017 03:00
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[/COLOR]Which puts paid to those who shun Now TV on grounds of picture quality![/QUOTE]

Now TV 720p in comparison to UHD Sky Cinema/Sports option?

I'm certain UHD Netflix doesn't really compare to Sky UHD, especially if they would start doing UHD movies over the satellite instead of on-demand only.

Cinephile reviews (online) seem to indicate that Sky UHD is better than Netflix 4k/UHD streams (at typically much lower bit rates), although not up to the quality of 4k Blu-ray.

denphone 16-09-2017 04:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35916673)
Competition at work. Take note, Den
Its a pity you don't apply those sentiments to yourself OB.;)

OLD BOY 16-09-2017 10:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bubblegun (Post 35916680)
[/COLOR]Which puts paid to those who shun Now TV on grounds of picture quality![]

Now TV 720p in comparison to UHD Sky Cinema/Sports option?

I'm certain UHD Netflix doesn't really compare to Sky UHD, especially if they would start doing UHD movies over the satellite instead of on-demand only.

Cinephile reviews (online) seem to indicate that Sky UHD is better than Netflix 4k/UHD streams (at typically much lower bit rates), although not up to the quality of 4k Blu-ray.
No, I certainly wouldn't say Now TV was UHD quality! I was referring to those who say that Now TV was SD quality, which of course it isn't.

theone2k10 16-09-2017 12:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35916671)
That's good news. Makes Freesat a more appealing alternative. All the main catch up apps from BBC, ITV etc... plus YouTube, Netflix and now TV Player.

If SKY becomes too expensive I'd seriously consider switching. Just had a swizz through my SKY planner. All recordings are from either Freeview or channels covered by TV Player.
I tweeted tvplayer a few days back asking if they are going to be on games consoles they confirmed they're working on a ps4 app.

Mad Max 16-09-2017 13:14
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Quote:
I was referring to those who say that Now TV was SD quality, which of course it isn't.
What is it then?

OLD BOY 16-09-2017 23:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35916737)
What is it then?
HD.

Mad Max 17-09-2017 01:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35916782)
HD.
Does Now TV state that?

OLD BOY 17-09-2017 03:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35916785)
Does Now TV state that?
720p is HD, old chap.

Chad 22-09-2017 22:06
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Amazon just confirmed to me on Twitter that the NFL Thursday night games will also be shown live in the UK via Amazon Prime Video.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Week-16-Pit...inkId=42636503

Sorry if that's already common knowledge. I thought they only had the US broadcast rights

Gunslinger 24-09-2017 14:13
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Has anybody noticed the recent complete disappearance of consumer TV streaming products other than Now TV from major retailers like Argos and Currys? The cynical might view this as a move by Uncle Rupert to tie up the streaming market and freeze out the likes of Amazon and Netflix.

theone2k10 24-09-2017 14:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunslinger (Post 35917734)
Has anybody noticed the recent complete disappearance of consumer TV streaming products other than Now TV from major retailers like Argos and Currys? The cynical might view this as a move by Uncle Rupert to tie up the streaming market and freeze out the likes of Amazon and Netflix.
Both currys and argos still do fire tv/sticks http://www.argos.co.uk/search/fire-tv/
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and-...pid=display~RR

muppetman11 24-09-2017 14:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunslinger (Post 35917734)
Has anybody noticed the recent complete disappearance of consumer TV streaming products other than Now TV from major retailers like Argos and Currys? The cynical might view this as a move by Uncle Rupert to tie up the streaming market and freeze out the likes of Amazon and Netflix.
How on earth have you come to that conclusion ?

Argos are selling Now TV boxes , Apple TV , Chromecast to name just a few.

Gunslinger 25-09-2017 12:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35917737)
How on earth have you come to that conclusion ?

Argos are selling Now TV boxes , Apple TV , Chromecast to name just a few.
If you look further, quite a few come up (permanently?) as 'out of stock' or are otherwise unobtainable. Apart from the heavily promoted Now TV the only one consistently available at Argos is the later Amazon Fire stick.

Last time I visited my local Curry's store, the remaining Roku boxes were on 'clearance', Amazon Fire Sticks and Chromecasts were in the 'Sale' bin (although not at a noticeably reduced price).

Chromecast devices are anyway slightly different and rely on casting from other devices, which of course have their own restrictions on what you can do with content, as we all know with TV Anywhere.

It would be a great pity if the UK 'content middlemen' were to reassert their dominance in the emerging IPTV market just as their previous dominance of the linear market diminishes.

johnathome 26-09-2017 02:15
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Amazon are on the verge of releasing another FireTV, i have money waiting for it :)

theone2k10 26-09-2017 12:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35918004)
Amazon are on the verge of releasing another FireTV, i have money waiting for it :)
They can keep it lol.

buckeye 26-09-2017 16:20
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After closing their digital store the BBC are to make hundreds of classic shows available on Iplayer

https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/25/...ve-classic-TV/

OLD BOY 26-09-2017 23:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35918040)
They can keep it lol.
Why is that, theone? Do you have a preferred streaming service that is legal to use and doesn't require a vpn?

I think the Roku has the most channels, but I'm also quite impressed with the Amazon Fire stick.

muppetman11 27-09-2017 10:48
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Another studio moving there stuff away from the likes of Amazon and Netflix.

https://www.recode.net/2017/9/25/163...american-crime

denphone 27-09-2017 11:02
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But hang on MM as according to OB Amazon and Netflix were going to dominate the world as they swallowed everybody else's content up.;)

theone2k10 27-09-2017 12:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35918109)
Why is that, theone? Do you have a preferred streaming service that is legal to use and doesn't require a vpn?

I think the Roku has the most channels, but I'm also quite impressed with the Amazon Fire stick.
Just no interest in another fire tv, quite happy with my android box which gives me everything i need including netflix.
I tend to dip in and out of amazon instant video.
Got a roku too but as i've stated in the past that's set for US channels.

theone2k10 27-09-2017 19:32
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Amazon video may be finally arriving on Appletv this Thursday http://cordcuttersnews.com/amazon-vi...ight-football/

muppetman11 28-09-2017 09:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35918130)
But hang on MM as according to OB Amazon and Netflix were going to dominate the world as they swallowed everybody else's content up.;)
It seems OB is MIA

denphone 28-09-2017 10:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35918272)
It seems OB is MIA
We better get Chuck out methinks to search for him.;).

OLD BOY 28-09-2017 15:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35918275)
We better get Chuck out methinks to search for him.;).
I'm still here, but puzzling about what on Earth I said to give you the impression that Netflix and Amazon would dominate the world!

What I have said is that the broadcast channels would be unable to get anywhere near as much content from US studios and would either have to produce more of their own originals or die.

Fox is doing the sensible thing and putting all its originals on to its own streaming service, as existing contracts permit. That is the way to go, but I also hope that such content is not exclusive forever because that disadvantages the viewer, who cannot be expected to subscribe to the many services that will develop over time.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35918135)
Just no interest in another fire tv, quite happy with my android box which gives me everything i need including netflix.
I tend to dip in and out of amazon instant video.
Got a roku too but as i've stated in the past that's set for US channels.
Yes, the Roku does have rather a lot of US content, but then again it does I think have all the UK streaming services that are available, so I don't see what they can do about that.

muppetman11 28-09-2017 16:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35918300)
What I have said is that the broadcast channels would be unable to get anywhere near as much content from US studios and would either have to produce more of their own originals or die.
Fox owns many broadcast channels across the world , Fox isn't suddenly going to stop providing it's own linear channels content it's merely going to keep at least first run content off the likes of Netflix and Amazon in favour of its own OTT service.

OLD BOY 28-09-2017 16:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35918309)
Fox owns many broadcast channels across the world , Fox isn't suddenly going to stop providing it's own linear channels content it's merely going to keep at least first run content off the likes of Netflix and Amazon in favour of its own OTT service.
I was referring to our own broadcast channels. Despite the huge amount of money the BBC has had coming in over the years, it has screened a lot of US content. It won't be able to do that in the future.

ITV has been getting better with its original content of late, and this is probably the reason for it.

toady 28-09-2017 17:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35918300)

Fox is doing the sensible thing and putting all its originals on to its own streaming service, as existing contracts permit. That is the way to go, but I also hope that such content is not exclusive forever because that disadvantages the viewer, who cannot be expected to subscribe to the many services that will develop over time.


Bad news for consumers, there are only so many services that they can subscribe to, it would almost be cheaper to subscribe to cable or satellite

OLD BOY 28-09-2017 19:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by toady (Post 35918317)

Bad news for consumers, there are only so many services that they can subscribe to, it would almost be cheaper to subscribe to cable or satellite
Well, I'm currently subscribing to Amazon, Netflix and Now TV, and I am still paying nowhere near what I'm forking out for digital cable channels.

In fact, I could subscribe to another six streaming services charging the same rates as them before I get close to what I'm paying for cable TV!

This is why the pay tv operators need to up their game.

Chad 01-10-2017 21:55
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TV Player have a great deal on their annual subscription. Sign up now using promo code: crazydeal to get 12 months for only £29.99. Works out at £2.49 per month which is a total bargain. Only problem is offer is only valid until midnight tonight.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...10/2.jpg:large

NOW TV also have a great offer for new customers. Get 12 months entertainment pass, and 12 months movie pass, for only £99.99.

https://signup.nowtv.com/single?prod...Fentertainment

theone2k10 01-10-2017 23:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35918692)
TV Player have a great deal on their annual subscription. Sign up now using promo code: crazydeal to get 12 months for only £29.99. Works out at £2.49 per month which is a total bargain. Only problem is offer is only valid until midnight tonight.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...10/2.jpg:large

NOW TV also have a great offer for new customers. Get 12 months entertainment pass, and 12 months movie pass, for only £99.99.

https://signup.nowtv.com/single?prod...Fentertainment
Both very good deals anyone grabs them both will have all the tv they need bar sports for a cracking price under £140 for the year.

OLD BOY 02-10-2017 07:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35918700)
Both very good deals anyone grabs them both will have all the tv they need bar sports for a cracking price under £140 for the year.
Yes, you will soon be able to get all the TV channels you want by streaming, which is forecast to double by 2022.

http://advanced-television.com/2017/...to-reach-83bn/

Chad 05-10-2017 22:04
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Netflix announce price increases in UK and USA

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41516159

theone2k10 05-10-2017 23:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35919212)
Netflix announce price increases in UK and USA

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41516159
Not too much of a price rise but with Netflix losing Disney and Fox and people aren't happy with content this might push some too far.

denphone 06-10-2017 05:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35919212)
Netflix announce price increases in UK and USA

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41516159
Having all these streaming options for some will end up getting pretty expensive in the end.

OLD BOY 06-10-2017 07:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35919221)
Having all these streaming options for some will end up getting pretty expensive in the end.
But even if you subscribe to Netflix, Amazon and Now TV, it's still cheaper than cable TV

denphone 06-10-2017 07:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35919226)
But even if you subscribe to Netflix, Amazon and Now TV, it's still cheaper than cable TV
So why are you still with cable TV??.

OLD BOY 06-10-2017 07:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35919227)
So why are you still with cable TV??.
Because I want access to the full range of programmes I like, and to do this, I need cable as well, which also enables me to record.

However, the advantage in continuing to subscribe to cable TV channels is diminishing in terms of what my wife and I watch and this is why I have been saying that the pay tv sector needs to up its game to retain viewers. We do get more value out of Netflix and Amazon, and of course the Freeview channels supplement these services nicely.

At some point in the future, I will end up ditching cable, buying a second Freeview recorder, subscribing only to Now TV Entertainment and Movie packages, Netflix and Amazon Prime Video, together with other selected streaming channels as they come along.

muppetman11 06-10-2017 10:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35919227)
So why are you still with cable TV??.
The mind boggles doesn't it , seeing as the pay channels are so poor in his eyes.

theone2k10 06-10-2017 12:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35919221)
Having all these streaming options for some will end up getting pretty expensive in the end.
Still cheaper than rip off vm, Amazon £7.99 or £79 for year, netflix £8.99 nowtv £7.99 = still a hell of a lot cheaper than vms lowest tv pack (excluding their freeview option)
I've not compared the sports or movies but even throwing them into the pipeline it is still cheaper than VM.

Joedm45 06-10-2017 13:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35919249)
Still cheaper than rip off vm, Amazon £7.99 or £79 for year, netflix £8.99 nowtv £7.99 = still a hell of a lot cheaper than vms lowest tv pack (excluding their freeview option)
I've not compared the sports or movies but even throwing them into the pipeline it is still cheaper than VM.
Don't forget the broadband price theone...

VM's cheapest BB (50Mb) full price on the website is £33
VM's cheapest Pay TV/BB/Phone (100Mb) full price is £55

£22 difference and by your figures Netflix/Amazon/Now TV is £25

Yes you can get cheaper broadband and yes you can get cheaper Now TV passes if you shop around and a yearly Amazon sub is also cheaper but the point is that it's not as cost effective as people think

theone2k10 06-10-2017 14:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joedm45 (Post 35919254)
Don't forget the broadband price theone...

VM's cheapest BB (50Mb) full price on the website is £33
VM's cheapest Pay TV/BB/Phone (100Mb) full price is £55

£22 difference and by your figures Netflix/Amazon/Now TV is £25

Yes you can get cheaper broadband and yes you can get cheaper Now TV passes if you shop around and a yearly Amazon sub is also cheaper but the point is that it's not as cost effective as people think
It depends really my prices include a extra screen which costs more on vm or Sky unless you use Skys useless skygo or vms Tv anywhere which when it works is not a bad option.

buckeye 06-10-2017 16:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joedm45 (Post 35919254)
Don't forget the broadband price theone...

VM's cheapest BB (50Mb) full price on the website is £33
VM's cheapest Pay TV/BB/Phone (100Mb) full price is £55

£22 difference and by your figures Netflix/Amazon/Now TV is £25

Yes you can get cheaper broadband and yes you can get cheaper Now TV passes if you shop around and a yearly Amazon sub is also cheaper but the point is that it's not as cost effective as people think
I think I detailed in an earlier post that my online subs still work out quite expensive when BB is added into the cost but I still prefer to pay for what I want rather than for what I don't want in order to gain access to those services I will use.
Online subs are also far more flexible/useable when I'm on the go, Amazon, Now TV and Netflix are far superior viewed on my Surface Pro 4 when I'm out and about than the godawful TV Anywhere (from what I've read I assume Sky Go is just as bad)

Like many things you have to shop around or haggle to get the best deals, Now TV are the best for this if you're prepared to "speculate to accumulate", if you keep an eye out for good deals and buy in advance movies and entertainment work out much cheaper than the pay TV alternatives.
There are less or no deals going officially for sports on Now TV but if you play the game by paying full price for a month or two then try to leave invariably you'll be offered a deal of £20 a month for 3 months to stay.
I'm currently on an offer that I'll get 6 months of Sky Sports on Now TV for the grand total of £60, as I've waffled on a fair bit already I wont explain the intricacies of this unless anyone really wants to know.

The other advantage of some OTT services is that if someone wants to buy you a gift (Xmas, birthday etc) Netflix, Amazon, Now TV vouchers are freely available to buy, I wouldn't say they don't exist but I've never seen a VM or Sky voucher available.

Oh one last point from me, Netflix have only lost the rights to Fox shows in the US, as far as I can see non US rights are still free to the highest bidder which I will be bold enough to forecast in our fair isle for the foreseeable future will be Sky/Now TV, Amazon or Netflix.

OLD BOY 06-10-2017 17:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35919236)
The mind boggles doesn't it , seeing as the pay channels are so poor in his eyes.
You know very well that I am saying there are fewer and fewer programmes each year on the pay tv channels that I want to watch. However, there will come a time in the not so distant future when there will be so little left from this vast array of channels, that I will have no second thoughts about cutting the cord.

Hopefully, the pay channels will up their game, but if they don't, they will be losing my custom.

denphone 06-10-2017 18:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35919282)
You know very well that I am saying there are fewer and fewer programmes each year on the pay tv channels that I want to watch. However, there will come a time in the not so distant future when there will be so little left from this vast array of channels, that I will have no second thoughts about cutting the cord.

Hopefully, the pay channels will up their game, but if they don't, they will be losing my custom.
With your stance which has been prevalent for several years l thought you would have done that long before now.

muppetman11 06-10-2017 18:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35919284)
With your stance which has been prevalent for several years l thought you would have done that long before now.
He'll still be moaning about them when the V7 launches :D

denphone 06-10-2017 18:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35919286)
He'll still be moaning about them when the V7 launches :D
Absolutely MM.:D

OLD BOY 06-10-2017 18:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35919284)
With your stance which has been prevalent for several years l thought you would have done that long before now.
Nope. There are still sufficient programmes to record, but they seem to be diminishing each year. I will make my decision when it simply isn't worth it anymore to get so little extra.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35919286)
He'll still be moaning about them when the V7 launches :D
The crunch time may definitely come when my V6s have had their day. Let's see what happens.

buckeye 06-10-2017 19:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35919289)
Nope. There are still sufficient programmes to record, but they seem to be diminishing each year. I will make my decision when it simply isn't worth it anymore to get so little extra.
Please don't take this as a criticism but how much TV do you watch?
I don't have enough time to watch all I might be interested in just on Amazon, Netflix and Now TV.

I moved home 11 months ago and as I didn't know what Freeview reception I'd get I had VM's basic TV package added into my new contract when I transferred my services,
for the odd thing I've had to record in that time my HD Homerun device via my PC has sufficed and what's more between the two they serve that content to every device in my home.

I can honestly say in the near year I've lived here that my Tivo has only been used 3 times and that was for PPV boxing, if VM don't give me TV for free when I renegotiate in the next few weeks I'll have no hesitation to ditch TV from them and just have broadband as I can get the few PPV events a year I may want via OTT services now.

OLD BOY 06-10-2017 19:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by buckeye (Post 35919298)
Please don't take this as a criticism but how much TV do you watch?
I don't have enough time to watch all I might be interested in just on Amazon, Netflix and Now TV.

I moved home 11 months ago and as I didn't know what Freeview reception I'd get I had VM's basic TV package added into my new contract when I transferred my services,
for the odd thing I've had to record in that time my HD Homerun device via my PC has sufficed and what's more between the two they serve that content to every device in my home.

I can honestly say in the near year I've lived here that my Tivo has only been used 3 times and that was for PPV boxing, if VM don't give me TV for free when I renegotiate in the next few weeks I'll have no hesitation to ditch TV from them and just have broadband as I can get the few PPV events a year I may want via OTT services now.
My viewing starts at about 8.15 or 8.30 pm when I'm not at meetings or socialising, and ends at 11 pm Sundays to Thursdays and at about 3am at weekends.

All my viewing is through recordings and streamed videos - I watch nothing live.

Even then, I've still got a huge amount of viewing to see, and I like it that way - it's my own little library. However, my best recordings seem to be from the main terrestrials these days, and there are fewer really 'must watch' programmes on pay tv, which is what I am concerned about.

buckeye 06-10-2017 20:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35919300)
All my viewing is through recordings and streamed videos - I watch nothing live.

Even then, I've still got a huge amount of viewing to see, and I like it that way - it's my own little library. However, my best recordings seem to be from the main terrestrials these days, and there are fewer really 'must watch' programmes on pay tv, which is what I am concerned about.
I understand fully where you're coming from, apart from sport and the news I cannot remember the last time I watched a TV program live.

And like you I have my own local library, between that and the OTT services I do not have time to watch all I may want to, which is what prompted my question.

I bet if you took the plunge and cancelled pay TV relying just on Freeview and OTT services you wouldn't regret the decision if you also invested in the right hardware to go with it.

Chad 06-10-2017 21:53
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New deal from TV Player. Get 12 months for £36 using promo code "tvdeal" Works out at £3 per month. Not as good as last week's deal but still a bloody good offer. About the same price as 1 months SKY Sports in HD

theone2k10 06-10-2017 22:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by buckeye (Post 35919312)
I understand fully where you're coming from, apart from sport and the news I cannot remember the last time I watched a TV program live.

And like you I have my own local library, between that and the OTT services I do not have time to watch all I may want to, which is what prompted my question.

I bet if you took the plunge and cancelled pay TV relying just on Freeview and OTT services you wouldn't regret the decision if you also invested in the right hardware to go with it.
BIB is exactly what i did and i don't regret it one bit, actually there isn't a ariel connected to my tv everything is watched via on demand or online.

OLD BOY 06-10-2017 23:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by buckeye (Post 35919312)
I understand fully where you're coming from, apart from sport and the news I cannot remember the last time I watched a TV program live.

And like you I have my own local library, between that and the OTT services I do not have time to watch all I may want to, which is what prompted my question.

I bet if you took the plunge and cancelled pay TV relying just on Freeview and OTT services you wouldn't regret the decision if you also invested in the right hardware to go with it.
Agreed, and as I don't watch sport, my problem is less complicated!

denphone 07-10-2017 04:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35919327)
Agreed, and as I don't watch sport, my problem is less complicated!
According to your cogitations on here they are far more complicated then you make out OB.;)

SnoopZ 07-10-2017 08:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35919335)
According to your cogitations on here they are far more complicated then you make out OB.;)
God are you 2 going to be at each others throats all the time with the silly little winks and stuff? You guys need to get a room and agree to disagree. :p:

It's like watching a broken record.

denphone 07-10-2017 08:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35919338)
God are you 2 going to be at each others throats all the time with the silly little winks and stuff? You guys need to get a room and agree to disagree. :p:
Take it with a pinch of salt SnoopZ as remember it is all about having opinions and jesting now and again as l am sure you have realised on this forum as OB and l if it pleases you will have a nice virtual hug just to show we are good friends at the end of the day.:hugs:

OLD BOY 17-10-2017 17:14
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HBO is looking to develop its own OTT presence in the world, which could spell good news for those who can't get or don't want Sky Atlantic. However, it sounds like their shows won't come cheap by PPV. Hopefully, they will provide a subscription alternative.

According to the article, HBO will look to expand on a country by country basis, and the current contract with Sky may prevent them from launching in the UK for the time being. But this could be good news for the medium term.

http://www.digitaltveurope.net/75812...on-revolution/


Plepler: HBO will benefit from ‘distribution revolution’


HBO stands to benefit from changes taking place in the content distribution landscape and the value of its brand will be more relevant than ever in the future, according to Richard Plepler.

HBO’s chairman and CEO made the claim while speaking on stage at MIPCOM, where he was presented with Variety magazine’s Vanguard award yesterday evening.

Plepler said that in a world where there is a “surfeit” of scripted content of varying quality, the value of HBO’s brand, signifying quality, would only increase in value.

“What will matter going forward…is brands,” he said. People will understand that HBO stands for “superior programming across a range of genres” and decisions on programming will continue to be made by the company “on the basis of whether or not it elevates our brand”.

Plepler said that the HBO marque is about “curated quality” and added that there will continue to be “a huge market for that”. He said that despite intensified competition for talent, the “line [of projects] at our door” is “longer than ever”.

With regard to changes in the distribution landscape, he said that the emergence of ‘skinny bundles’ with a lower price point than old-fashioned big basic offerings is good for HBO. Because HBO has always been a premium a la carte offering, the cheaper the bundle, the easier it will be for it to sell its service on top of that.

Asked whether HBO is now inclining towards an ‘OTT first’ strategy following recent moves, including the launch of its new OTT TV service in Spain, Plepler said HBO would continue to work with distribution platforms, adding that the company had helped operators “make their bundles stickier” and had always “made money for its partners”.

He said that the programmer had a solid licensing business internationally and will look “region by region” in deciding whether to launch OTT services in the future.

theone2k10 17-10-2017 18:14
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Sources are suggesting BT may make BT sports available via online to none BT customers next year, prices are unknown at this time.

Mad Max 17-10-2017 18:15
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35920502)
HBO is looking to develop its own OTT presence in the world, which could spell good news for those who can't get or don't want Sky Atlantic. However, it sounds like their shows won't come cheap by PPV. Hopefully, they will provide a subscription alternative.

According to the article, HBO will look to expand on a country by country basis, and the current contract with Sky may prevent them from launching in the UK for the time being. But this could be good news for the medium term.

http://www.digitaltveurope.net/75812...on-revolution/


Plepler: HBO will benefit from ‘distribution revolution’


HBO stands to benefit from changes taking place in the content distribution landscape and the value of its brand will be more relevant than ever in the future, according to Richard Plepler.

HBO’s chairman and CEO made the claim while speaking on stage at MIPCOM, where he was presented with Variety magazine’s Vanguard award yesterday evening.

Plepler said that in a world where there is a “surfeit” of scripted content of varying quality, the value of HBO’s brand, signifying quality, would only increase in value.

“What will matter going forward…is brands,” he said. People will understand that HBO stands for “superior programming across a range of genres” and decisions on programming will continue to be made by the company “on the basis of whether or not it elevates our brand”.

Plepler said that the HBO marque is about “curated quality” and added that there will continue to be “a huge market for that”. He said that despite intensified competition for talent, the “line [of projects] at our door” is “longer than ever”.

With regard to changes in the distribution landscape, he said that the emergence of ‘skinny bundles’ with a lower price point than old-fashioned big basic offerings is good for HBO. Because HBO has always been a premium a la carte offering, the cheaper the bundle, the easier it will be for it to sell its service on top of that.

Asked whether HBO is now inclining towards an ‘OTT first’ strategy following recent moves, including the launch of its new OTT TV service in Spain, Plepler said HBO would continue to work with distribution platforms, adding that the company had helped operators “make their bundles stickier” and had always “made money for its partners”.

He said that the programmer had a solid licensing business internationally and will look “region by region” in deciding whether to launch OTT services in the future.

We keep hearing about these kind of things OB, but nothing ever seems to come to fruition.

OLD BOY 18-10-2017 21:11
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Sky is now pitching itself as Europe's leading streaming platform.

http://www.v-net.tv/2017/09/20/sky-c...vice-in-spain/

Onramp 18-10-2017 22:44
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35920742)
Sky is now pitching itself as Europe's leading streaming platform.

http://www.v-net.tv/2017/09/20/sky-c...vice-in-spain/
Beat me to it.

Here's a link to the box: https://www.sky.com/es-spa/skytvbox/

theone2k10 18-10-2017 22:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35920742)
Sky is now pitching itself as Europe's leading streaming platform.

http://www.v-net.tv/2017/09/20/sky-c...vice-in-spain/
Also i believe sky are launching a full online tv service next year too.

Mad Max 18-10-2017 22:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35920758)
Also i believe sky are launching a full online tv service next year too.

Yip, dish free!!

interweb 19-10-2017 13:54
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Anyone watching Ozark?
Watched about 7 episodes but it's quite eerie and still not sure if I like it or not!
Interested to know what others think

OLD BOY 19-10-2017 17:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by interweb (Post 35920826)
Anyone watching Ozark?
Watched about 7 episodes but it's quite eerie and still not sure if I like it or not!
Interested to know what others think
It's certainly on my wishlist, and if it's a bit dark, that's probably why I've put it there! I will try to watch this soon.

Mad Max 19-10-2017 17:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by interweb (Post 35920826)
Anyone watching Ozark?
Watched about 7 episodes but it's quite eerie and still not sure if I like it or not!
Interested to know what others think
I watched the whole first series, thought it was excellent.

interweb 20-10-2017 09:12
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I keep watching it, so I must like it.
I find I need to be in the right mood to watch it though as it is very dark.
Hope you enjoy it when you get round to it, @Old Boy

buckeye 20-10-2017 17:30
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by interweb (Post 35920826)
Anyone watching Ozark?
Watched about 7 episodes but it's quite eerie and still not sure if I like it or not!
Interested to know what others think
I watched the first 4 when it came out but have put it on the back burner since.
It got slow/hard going for me and I kind of thought it was trying way too hard to be the new Breaking Bad.

denphone 22-10-2017 06:37
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Netflix: which shows are being binged the fastest?

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...ed-the-fastest

theone2k10 22-10-2017 12:18
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35921288)
Netflix: which shows are being binged the fastest?

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...ed-the-fastest
Great info den.

denphone 22-10-2017 12:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35921335)
Great info den.
Its amazing on our family profiles on Netflix how a family tastes can differ so much.

theone2k10 22-10-2017 13:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35921344)
Its amazing on our family profiles on Netflix how a family tastes can differ so much.
Agree i let my sister use my Netflix and the difference in content we watch is quite amazing.

buckeye 25-10-2017 15:24
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Get 50% off for a months Sky Sports (new and existing customers) on Now TV

http://www.nowtv.com/rokusport

Chad 25-10-2017 16:31
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New NOWTV SKY Sports day pass offer from Pringles

https://www.bigmatch.pringles.com

Tesco are selling the promo packs 2 for £2. Essentially £2 for a SKY Sports day pass plus 2 tubes of crisps. Good value.

Kabaal 25-10-2017 16:53
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Will have to pick up some Pringles with the shopping tomorrow then, they come in handy when not at home ie boxing day/new year.

Before anyone goes out and buys a pallet of Pringles it says 1 code allowed per account in the small print.

daveeb 25-10-2017 17:25
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35920879)
I watched the whole first series, thought it was excellent.
I'll second that. Hopefully a second series in the pipeline.

RichardCoulter 26-10-2017 18:16
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
From 27/11/17 the Curzon Home Cinema Freesat app will no longer be available on Freesat set top boxes or the web app.

Does this suggest that they are closing down altogether? Anyone heard anything?

OLD BOY 27-10-2017 10:48
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This judgement appears to clarify that streaming premium content through subscribed IPTV services or any other means that avoids paying the correct subscription to Sky is unlawful.

So the authorities are not just prosecuting suppliers of fully loaded Kodi boxes and those who share pirated material, they are also going after individual viewers now.

Huge implications for those who are receiving premium material in this way - and the fine if you're caught is eye watering. It's only a matter of time now before Sky's legal team get a legal authorisation from IPTV providers to find out who subscribes to their services to access illegally acquired content. Frankly, I'd be pretty worried at this point if I was taking advantage of this situation. They will be able to go back six years to bring forward a court case against you.

I did warn previously about the dangers of watching premium content in this way and received a firm rebuke from some that it was not illegal. I am not happy that I was proved right on this occasion, because this will prove to have been a very costly mistake for those who believed comments made that people who did this were doing nothing wrong.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a8020856.html

denphone 27-10-2017 11:19
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
It was inevitable that that there would be a end game that is for sure OB.

OLD BOY 27-10-2017 11:44
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35922055)
It was inevitable that that there would be a end game that is for sure OB.
Yes. The only good thing that will come out of this is that stamping out piracy in this way may help prices to come down (or at least not go up by as much as they would have done otherwise).

The fine imposed on individuals does sound a bit steep, though. And why aren't they closing down the IPTV providers? They are there large as life, it's not as if they've gone underground!

theone2k10 27-10-2017 12:30
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35922048)
This judgement appears to clarify that streaming premium content through subscribed IPTV services or any other means that avoids paying the correct subscription to Sky is unlawful.

So the authorities are not just prosecuting suppliers of fully loaded Kodi boxes and those who share pirated material, they are also going after individual viewers now.

Huge implications for those who are receiving premium material in this way - and the fine if you're caught is eye watering. It's only a matter of time now before Sky's legal team get a legal authorisation from IPTV providers to find out who subscribes to their services to access illegally acquired content. Frankly, I'd be pretty worried at this point if I was taking advantage of this situation. They will be able to go back six years to bring forward a court case against you.

I did warn previously about the dangers of watching premium content in this way and received a firm rebuke from some that it was not illegal. I am not happy that I was proved right on this occasion, because this will prove to have been a very costly mistake for those who believed comments made that people who did this were doing nothing wrong.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a8020856.html
I'm not worried in the slightest as i use a vpn.
Also the one in this case was streaming it not viewing it and as a civil matter he can say "no thanks" to legal costs and the worst case is bailiffs who can be told to do one if it's a residential property and they don't get in.

OLD BOY 27-10-2017 12:44
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35922070)
I'm not worried in the slightest as i use a vpn.
Also the one in this case was streaming it not viewing it and as a civil matter he can say "no thanks" to legal costs and the worst case is bailiffs who can be told to do one if it's a residential property and they don't get in.
But a vpn won't be much use to znyone who subscribes to IPTV services. The evidence will be there on the accounts ledgers!

Actually, the worst case is not the bailiffs, it's imprisonment for failing to pay the fine that will get you in the end.

It doesn't matter whether the individual concerned was watching the pirated material. It has now been established that you are committing an offence simply by streaming it, which is the breakthrough Sky needed.

I don't think anyone should be resting on their laurels about this. So many people seem to think the future will never catch up with them because they are getting away with it now. How wrong they are always proven to be.

theone2k10 27-10-2017 13:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35922074)
But a vpn won't be much use to znyone who subscribes to IPTV services. The evidence will be there on the accounts ledgers!

Actually, the worst case is not the bailiffs, it's imprisonment for failing to pay the fine that will get you in the end.

It doesn't matter whether the individual concerned was watching the pirated material. It has now been established that you are committing an offence simply by streaming it, which is the breakthrough Sky needed.

I don't think anyone should be resting on their laurels about this. So many people seem to think the future will never catch up with them because they are getting away with it now. How wrong they are always proven to be.
Ah i've read the article again it refers to kodi addons etc not the methods i use aka us tv login and network sites such as cw, fox etc.
I personally have disconnected my android tv box with kodi although the box nor kodi itself is illegal it just made more sense to buy a mini windows pc and use that as it gets everything no problem.
But a vpn certainly does protect you regardless.

buckeye 27-10-2017 16:19
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
There's a more comprehensive article about this case here:-

https://torrentfreak.com/high-court-...g-case-171026/

My views about the dangers for people who are not IT literate on using illicit streams and also handing over payment details to those charging for such services are well documented on these forums already.
This is one of the few places where people seemed to have actually listened to what I've said,
unfortunately for the most part I seem to have been whistling in the wind for the past few years with these warnings.
Most people put their blinkers on where their free/cheap streams are concerned.

OLD BOY 27-10-2017 17:43
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by buckeye (Post 35922101)
There's a more comprehensive article about this case here:-

https://torrentfreak.com/high-court-...g-case-171026/

My views about the dangers for people who are not IT literate on using illicit streams and also handing over payment details to those charging for such services are well documented on these forums already.
This is one of the few places where people seemed to have actually listened to what I've said,
unfortunately for the most part I seem to have been whistling in the wind for the past few years with these warnings.
Most people put their blinkers on where their free/cheap streams are concerned.
Yes, people need to be aware that they are entrusting their bank/credit card details to criminal organisations.

---------- Post added at 17:43 ---------- Previous post was at 17:42 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35922084)
Ah i've read the article again it refers to kodi addons etc not the methods i use aka us tv login and network sites such as cw, fox etc.
I personally have disconnected my android tv box with kodi although the box nor kodi itself is illegal it just made more sense to buy a mini windows pc and use that as it gets everything no problem.
But a vpn certainly does protect you regardless.
I certainly think that your method is the safest, but I'd keep on your toes, if I were you.

theone2k10 27-10-2017 18:11
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35922109)
Yes, people need to be aware that they are entrusting their bank/credit card details to criminal organisations.

---------- Post added at 17:43 ---------- Previous post was at 17:42 ----------


I certainly think that your method is the safest, but I'd keep on your toes, if I were you.
Oh certainly keeping a eye on it but if SKY made it easier to use SKYGo without using awful silverlight or needing to sub to skygo extra i wouldn't need to do such things.
I mean BT have a app for BT sports on windows 10 surely sky can do the same it'd make life a lot easier lol.

johnathome 27-10-2017 18:48
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
The guy was actually uploading it to other users, although it was ruled earlier this year in the ECJ that streaming was illegal.

theone2k10 27-10-2017 19:25
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35922122)
The guy was actually uploading it to other users, although it was ruled earlier this year in the ECJ that streaming was illegal.
It's a civil matter the thing with the press is you have one lot saying one thing and another saying something else.
As you correctly said this guy was providing content, same as earlier cases they were people selling the boxes.

RichardCoulter 27-10-2017 22:59
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Disregarding the rights of wrongs of this, it amazes me that the authorities have time to pursue this sort of thing to protect the rich film studios, whilst at the same time say that, for example, online paedophiles & some burglaries won't be investigated due to a lack of resources.

1andrew1 27-10-2017 23:09
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35922151)
Disregarding the rights of wrongs of this, it amazes me that the authorities have time to pursue this sort of thing to protect the rich film studios, whilst at the same time say that, for example, online paedophiles & some burglaries won't be investigated due to a lack of resources.
I'm not sure you're correct here. Are you saying that stealing online content is less of a theft than stealing a DVD from a shop? And that the only people who lose out are the studios and no one else? And what evidence is there that online paedophiles are not being investigated?

OLD BOY 28-10-2017 01:35
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35922151)
Disregarding the rights of wrongs of this, it amazes me that the authorities have time to pursue this sort of thing to protect the rich film studios, whilst at the same time say that, for example, online paedophiles & some burglaries won't be investigated due to a lack of resources.
I think they are doing both, Richard. Resources only spread so far, and so the ability to prosecute is pretty stretched.

I know this is a sensitive subject, but in the end, we are talking about theft.

Would you be happy, if you were in charge of the police, to ignore all crimes that were not more serious than the worst crimes?

You need to take a more holistic approach to this problem.

theone2k10 28-10-2017 11:56
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35922161)
I think they are doing both, Richard. Resources only spread so far, and so the ability to prosecute is pretty stretched.

I know this is a sensitive subject, but in the end, we are talking about theft.

Would you be happy, if you were in charge of the police, to ignore all crimes that were not more serious than the worst crimes?

You need to take a more holistic approach to this problem.
Reality is money talks and with the uk goverment and studios intent on spying on our internet usuage a vpn is vital, i have nothing to hide but i pay for my net not the studios so i'll do what i bloody well want with it aslong as it's within the law ish.

RichardCoulter 28-10-2017 12:42
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35922152)
I'm not sure you're correct here. Are you saying that stealing online content is less of a theft than stealing a DVD from a shop? And that the only people who lose out are the studios and no one else? And what evidence is there that online paedophiles are not being investigated?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-police-chief/

Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35922188)
Reality is money talks and with the uk goverment and studios intent on spying on our internet usuage a vpn is vital, i have nothing to hide but i pay for my net not the studios so i'll do what i bloody well want with it aslong as it's within the law ish.
It certainly does, in our capitalist society the average sentence for destroying property by arson is higher than the average sentence for destroying a person by rape.

theone2k10 28-10-2017 14:36
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35922196)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-police-chief/



It certainly does, in our capitalist society the average sentence for destroying property by arson is higher than the average sentence for destroying a person by rape.
10 years for downloading a movie/tv show illegally, 2 years for mugging a old lady.

buckeye 28-10-2017 16:32
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35922151)
Disregarding the rights of wrongs of this, it amazes me that the authorities have time to pursue this sort of thing to protect the rich film studios, whilst at the same time say that, for example, online paedophiles & some burglaries won't be investigated due to a lack of resources.
In the case we've been discussing the authorities didn't pursue it, Sky and F.A.C.T. did, both are private entities.
I don't think Sky needs any explanation lol but F.A.C.T. is a private organisation funded by various copyright holders.


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