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AndyWW 01-08-2013 12:35
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oops! VM's Twitter account just directed someone complaining about losing ESPN to their fault status webpage.

si2008 01-08-2013 12:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Catesby (Post 35603615)
si2008,

BT have top picks in 18 of the 38 rounds in the season. So far they have only had 5 of them. I would imagine that they'll have more appealing games in the 2nd half of the season. Sky did a good job of choosing theirs in the early games to make the BT offering look poor.
whats appealing about the premiership ha ha ha

denphone 01-08-2013 12:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35603544)
Calm down my young padawan , all good things come to those who wait ;)
“Yes, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware of the dark side. Anger, fear, aggression; the dark side of the Force are they. Easily they flow, If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did with you and your apprentice's.;):D

Jameseh 01-08-2013 12:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35603619)
Well we hope bud,anything is possible now :(
Doctor Who 3D has to be on Virgin due to the BBC's regulations. It'll be on 994 like the tennis.

Catesby 01-08-2013 12:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by si2008 (Post 35603626)
whats appealing about the premiership ha ha ha
Just pointing out that BT will have more of what you referred to as "the top class games" later in the season.

seedybob 01-08-2013 12:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Denyo1977 (Post 35603554)
This thread has gone beyond ridiculous. Only yesterday and after 11 hours today there have been over 50 pages of nothing besides what's NOT coming soon. God knows how many there will be at the end of the day.
In the anger, panic and depression of the last 50 pages, as Denyo says there hasn't been much analysis on why this deal might have fell through. If we look deep enough the answer is probably already there.

Look at how BT dealt with Sky. We know they wanted to handle to transaction themselves. We know their business plan is solely based around getting broadband customers. The guardian article last week (link) wasn't really analysed to see how they might behave with Virgin Media. It says that only 23,000 people took up new Pay-tv offers and the majority of sign-ups are existing customers. In the region of 477,000 people are not paying for the channel.

So doesn't this mean that BT are just not interested in the £12-£15 per month subscribers? It'll only bring in £4m per year to them and that's peanuts. Clearly then, they don't care what price VM are going to offer whether its £3 x 1m XL customers or even £20 per month standalone. They can afford to pass up £30m-£40m per year because they are not targetting television customers. That's where they are different to ESPN and Setanta who needed that revenue to support their venture. VM actually had all the cards in those negotiations. This time its BT with all the cards. BT also mustn't care about the potential advertising revenue loss if VM viewers don't have the channel.

So what's the stumbling block? BT want to deal with the customers themselves, we know that. They've shown that they are not interested in volume of subscriptions they just want broadband customers.

So have they told VM that they can have the channel as long as they control the subscriptions? In other words, they could offer the channel to VM at £2 per month as long as they get the customer names and details of who signs up. Would VM be happy to supply them with the details of possibly 1m customers? Its probably business suicide to do so.

We cable customers are potential gold-dust to BT, we'd all be targets for Infinity, telephone and tv and while BT is not something I'd consider there will be plenty of biters out there if the offer was good enough.

I'm not saying I have the answer, but it doesn't look as if the battle is over money. This is a battle for control and a much, much bigger prize than £2/£3/£12/£15 per month poxy television packages.

si2008 01-08-2013 12:52
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[QUOTE=Catesby;35603632]Just pointing out that BT will have more of what you referred to as "the top class games" later in the season.[/QUOTE

always match of the day to get your goal fix from if virgin dont get bt sport..

vincerooney 01-08-2013 12:55
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I dont know why people are complaining about the coming soon thread descending into gossip. This is exactly what coming soon to VM is.

If you want the latest rumours SEARCH "MEDIA BOY" and look at his posts (or his website)

if you want EXACT UPDATES check out the change log post on the forum

OTHERWISE

please let us discuss, scream, praise and generally weep about VM and other things in life. If you do the above actions we're not harming anyone whatsoever

thanks

gary neville

greeninferno 01-08-2013 12:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by seedybob (Post 35603634)
In the anger, panic and depression of the last 50 pages, as Denyo says there hasn't been much analysis on why this deal might have fell through. If we look deep enough the answer is probably already there.

Look at how BT dealt with Sky. We know they wanted to handle to transaction themselves. We know their business plan is solely based around getting broadband customers. The guardian article last week (link) wasn't really analysed to see how they might behave with Virgin Media. It says that only 23,000 people took up new Pay-tv offers and the majority of sign-ups are existing customers. In the region of 477,000 people are not paying for the channel.

So doesn't this mean that BT are just not interested in the £12-£15 per month subscribers? It'll only bring in £4m per year to them and that's peanuts. Clearly then, they don't care what price VM are going to offer whether its £3 x 1m XL customers or even £20 per month standalone. They can afford to pass up £30m-£40m per year because they are not targetting television customers. That's where they are different to ESPN and Setanta who needed that revenue to support their venture. VM actually had all the cards in those negotiations. This time its BT with all the cards. BT also mustn't care about the potential advertising revenue loss if VM viewers don't have the channel.

So what's the stumbling block? BT want to deal with the customers themselves, we know that. They've shown that they are not interested in volume of subscriptions they just want broadband customers.

So have they told VM that they can have the channel as long as they control the subscriptions? In other words, they could offer the channel to VM at £2 per month as long as they get the customer names and details of who signs up. Would VM be happy to supply them with the details of possibly 1m customers? Its probably business suicide to do so.

We cable customers are potential gold-dust to BT, we'd all be targets for Infinity, telephone and tv and while BT is not something I'd consider there will be plenty of biters out there if the offer was good enough.

I'm not saying I have the answer, but it doesn't look as if the battle is over money. This is a battle for control and a much, much bigger prize than £2/£3/£12/£15 per month poxy television packages.
This is a good summation.

The whole point of BT getting this package for sports rights is to stop their own Phone/Broadband customers defecting to Sky.

short term i don't think its going to affect Virgin too badly.

However, once BT have completed their Fibre roll out to the vast majority of the country Virgin are going to be in trouble.

martin201002 01-08-2013 13:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35603637)
I dont know why people are complaining about the coming soon thread descending into gossip. This is exactly what coming soon to VM is.

If you want the latest rumours SEARCH "MEDIA BOY" and look at his posts (or his website)

if you want EXACT UPDATES check out the change log post on the forum

OTHERWISE

please let us discuss, scream, praise and generally weep about VM and other things in life. If you do the above actions we're not harming anyone whatsoever

thanks

gary neville
Well said

Richc1977 01-08-2013 13:01
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The guy i spoke to in retentions just now said there will be an announcement by VM in about a week's time, the delay (as speculated) is so as to get the best deal and the channels included in the XL pack.

I said many people I know would be prepared to pay an additional subscription for the channels but does he mean that if VM don't get a better price they won't pick up the channels?

He said he did not know but whatever happens there will be an announcement by VM before the Premier league starts.

I said I'd see what Sky offer me and I'll either jump ship or at the least downgrade my XL TV package and wait to hear what happens.

toady 01-08-2013 13:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by greeninferno (Post 35603639)
This is a good summation.

The whole point of BT getting this package for sports rights is to stop their own Phone/Broadband customers defecting to Sky.

short term i don't think its going to affect Virgin too badly.

However, once BT have completed their Fibre roll out to the vast majority of the country Virgin are going to be in trouble.
Once Infinity is rolled out, will the BT TV be any better i.e offer more channels or more HD than VM? if not what's the point in having TV with VM and Infinity for broadband, I suspect the majority of people look to have one supplier for all their needs, which VM do very currently

denphone 01-08-2013 13:19
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The thing is they have had months to sort this out and here we are still no further down the road exactly like the other channels we are still waiting for.

Clarence 01-08-2013 13:20
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I'll be off as soon as another provider can provide me with BB at a decent speed... I'm actually very annoyed about losing the small amount of football I had, and having nothing else to replace it... Like someone posted earlier, it seems VM is going for the female vote!!!

Harryn9000 01-08-2013 13:24
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wanted to watch gerrard testimonial at home but guess who got the right that right bt as long virgin get it by august 17 then i'll be fine

howardmicks 01-08-2013 13:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35603631)
Doctor Who 3D has to be on Virgin due to the BBC's regulations. It'll be on 994 like the tennis.
i know bud just jesting ;)

---------- Post added at 12:44 ---------- Previous post was at 12:42 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35603649)
The thing is they have had months to sort this out and here we are still no further down the road exactly like the other channels we are still waiting for.
exactly bud :(

---------- Post added at 12:46 ---------- Previous post was at 12:44 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richc1977 (Post 35603643)
The guy i spoke to in retentions just now said there will be an announcement by VM in about a week's time, the delay (as speculated) is so as to get the best deal and the channels included in the XL pack.

I said many people I know would be prepared to pay an additional subscription for the channels but does he mean that if VM don't get a better price they won't pick up the channels?

He said he did not know but whatever happens there will be an announcement by VM before the Premier league starts.

I said I'd see what Sky offer me and I'll either jump ship or at the least downgrade my XL TV package and wait to hear what happens.
dont believe a word they are saying seriously they are saying anything to keep hold of customers all there doing on facebook/twitter is copying and pasting what they have been told to say :(

Chad 01-08-2013 13:50
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If you are unhappy about ESPN being removed from the XL pacjage, and you are in contract term, you should be able to cancel your TV service without too much of a problem.

http://store.virginmedia.com/the-leg...es.html#ending

There are 2 sections in the terms and conditions which cover this very scenario.

Section B - f

"Some parts of the services (for example, television channels that form part of our television services and other content on, or accessible via, our television services) are supplied by other organisations. As a result, due to matters outside our reasonable control or for commercial or contractual reasons, we may change, cancel or postpone all or any component part(s) of the services without notice, but we will give you reasonable notice of any withdrawals and changes where it is possible to do so. You will be entitled to end this agreement if the changes are significant, as described in paragraph J3."

Section J - 3b

"If we and/or Virgin Media Payments make significant changes to the services so the services you are entitled to receive in return for the charges you pay are significantly altered or reduced you may cancel those services affected without penalty by giving us and/or Virgin Media Payments (as applicable) at least 30 days' notice. Such notice must be given within 30 days of the increase in charges or changes to the services or this agreement being notified to you."

The loss of ESPN, ESPN HD, ESPN America, ESPN Classic, ESPN on demand and access to the ESPN channels via Virgin anywhere are very significant changes to your package. It's not your fault that the channels have been removed during your contract term. You didn't ask for the channels to be removed. You didn't agree to the channels being removed. The service without ESPN is not what you signed a contract for!

Remember about 7 years ago when the SKY basic channels where removed, Virgin allowed people to cancel their contracts using very similar terms and conditions.

howardmicks 01-08-2013 14:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35603662)
If you are unhappy about ESPN being removed from the XL pacjage, and you are in contract term, you should be able to cancel your TV service without too much of a problem.

http://store.virginmedia.com/the-leg...es.html#ending

There are 2 sections in the terms and conditions which cover this very scenario.

Section B - f

"Some parts of the services (for example, television channels that form part of our television services and other content on, or accessible via, our television services) are supplied by other organisations. As a result, due to matters outside our reasonable control or for commercial or contractual reasons, we may change, cancel or postpone all or any component part(s) of the services without notice, but we will give you reasonable notice of any withdrawals and changes where it is possible to do so. You will be entitled to end this agreement if the changes are significant, as described in paragraph J3."

Section J - 3b

"If we and/or Virgin Media Payments make significant changes to the services so the services you are entitled to receive in return for the charges you pay are significantly altered or reduced you may cancel those services affected without penalty by giving us and/or Virgin Media Payments (as applicable) at least 30 days' notice. Such notice must be given within 30 days of the increase in charges or changes to the services or this agreement being notified to you."

The loss of ESPN, ESPN HD, ESPN America, ESPN Classic, ESPN on demand and access to the ESPN channels via Virgin anywhere are very significant changes to your package. It's not your fault that the channels have been removed during your contract term. You didn't ask for the channels to be removed. You didn't agree to the channels being removed. The service without ESPN is not what you signed a contract for!

Remember about 7 years ago when the SKY basic channels where removed, Virgin allowed people to cancel their contracts using very similar terms and conditions.
Thanks for the info bud if u don't mind I'm gonna post that Facebook and gonna ring back vm then sky

ocav 01-08-2013 14:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35603662)
If you are unhappy about ESPN being removed from the XL pacjage, and you are in contract term, you should be able to cancel your TV service without too much of a problem.

http://store.virginmedia.com/the-leg...es.html#ending

There are 2 sections in the terms and conditions which cover this very scenario.

Section B - f

"Some parts of the services (for example, television channels that form part of our television services and other content on, or accessible via, our television services) are supplied by other organisations. As a result, due to matters outside our reasonable control or for commercial or contractual reasons, we may change, cancel or postpone all or any component part(s) of the services without notice, but we will give you reasonable notice of any withdrawals and changes where it is possible to do so. You will be entitled to end this agreement if the changes are significant, as described in paragraph J3."

Section J - 3b

"If we and/or Virgin Media Payments make significant changes to the services so the services you are entitled to receive in return for the charges you pay are significantly altered or reduced you may cancel those services affected without penalty by giving us and/or Virgin Media Payments (as applicable) at least 30 days' notice. Such notice must be given within 30 days of the increase in charges or changes to the services or this agreement being notified to you."

The loss of ESPN, ESPN HD, ESPN America, ESPN Classic, ESPN on demand and access to the ESPN channels via Virgin anywhere are very significant changes to your package. It's not your fault that the channels have been removed during your contract term. You didn't ask for the channels to be removed. You didn't agree to the channels being removed. The service without ESPN is not what you signed a contract for!

Remember about 7 years ago when the SKY basic channels where removed, Virgin allowed people to cancel their contracts using very similar terms and conditions.
Incorrect. Read back through the thread, 2-3 contract lawyers have already stated that it was outside of Virgins control therefore it doesn't apply. The reason people got out for the Sky Basics was because Virgin had said no to a new carriage agreement, therefore it was within their control.

The company that their carriage agreement was with, ESPN has closed, that is outside their control. They have to make a new agreement with BT to bring what is in effect a brand new channel back. The old ESPN does not exist anymore.

Chad 01-08-2013 14:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35603669)
Thanks for the info bud if u don't mind I'm gonna post that Facebook and gonna ring back vm then sky
Feel free.

Remember however if you have a package for TV, phone and broadband you will only be able to cancel the TV part of your package.

howardmicks 01-08-2013 14:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35603672)
Feel free.

Remember however if you have a package for TV, phone and broadband you will only be able to cancel the TV part of your package.
Thanks bud
;)

freakgirl 01-08-2013 14:14
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Virgin have the 12:45pm kick offs? Suddenly don't feel so bad about losing them, as i'm usually out on a Saturday afternoon

Doug P 01-08-2013 14:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ocav (Post 35603671)
Incorrect. Read back through the thread, 2-3 contract lawyers have already stated that it was outside of Virgins control therefore it doesn't apply. The reason people got out for the Sky Basics was because Virgin had said no to a new carriage agreement, therefore it was within their control.

The company that their carriage agreement was with, ESPN has closed, that is outside their control. They have to make a new agreement with BT to bring what is in effect a brand new channel back. The old ESPN does not exist anymore.
I have been trying to suggest this on the other thread only this is brilliantly put... many thanks.

Dave42 01-08-2013 14:26
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It’s not just Virgin Media costumers who are locked out of BT Sport

August 1, 2013 by Martin Hoscik

A few days ago I looked at the frustrations of Virgin Media customers who face missing out on BT’s new sports channels when they launch today.

While they’re certainly the most voluble group missing out on the channels, they’re not the only one.

YouView customers who purchased their own boxes but have connected them to a BT broadband line also stand to miss out, even when they’re connected to the Infinity fibre broadband BT says is needed to receive the channels.

After several rounds of the channels appearing and disappearing on the EPG in recent weesk, they reappeared overnight alongside entries for BTs new 18 entertainment channels.

But despite BT’s press office last week saying a method for retail YouView users to order the sports channels would “be available until 1st August” and that BT would be emailing customers who registered “from 1st to direct them to the site”, it still isn’t possible to order them.

Calls to BT are met with a firm ‘There’s no way to order these channels for your box’ line.

With just a few hours until the big launch, it doesn’t seem YouView customers who’ve elected to save BT the costs of supplying and supporting a box will be much better off than their Virgin Media counterparts.

As a shareholder in YouView, BT could be thought to have a responsibility to ensure those customers who pay it for broadband can access the channels they’re helping to fund on their set top boxes.

But that doesn’t seem likely to happen in time for tonight’s launch.

And it’s now also looking unlikely that retail box owners who registered long before the July 31st cut-off point will enjoy the free 1 year HD pack available to customers who got their STB from BT or Sky.

There are clearly far more Sky customers than retail box owners, but it does seem somewhat odd to invest in a platform and then treat your rival’s customers better than your own.

http://www.seenit.co.uk/its-not-just...sport/0829223/

Chad 01-08-2013 14:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ocav (Post 35603671)
Incorrect. Read back through the thread, 2-3 contract lawyers have already stated that it was outside of Virgins control therefore it doesn't apply. The reason people got out for the Sky Basics was because Virgin had said no to a new carriage agreement, therefore it was within their control.

The company that their carriage agreement was with, ESPN has closed, that is outside their control. They have to make a new agreement with BT to bring what is in effect a brand new channel back. The old ESPN does not exist anymore.
My understanding was the original carriage deal was always due to expire yesterday anyway. Ownership of ESPN didn’t change half way through an existing carriage deal. The reason the channel is no longer on Virgin is a contractual one. The possibility of a new deal for ESPN to remain on Virgin was never guaranteed, regardless of who owned the channel. Customers should be covered under section B – f.

Up until 2 months ago Virgin where still selling 18 month contracts, advertising ESPN free in XL, even though they knew the channel was likely to disappear from their platform within 60 to 90 days.

Of course I’d be happy to review my stance if anyone can confirm Virgins existing carriage deal with ESPN didn’t expire yesterday.

neilo 01-08-2013 14:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35603662)
If you are unhappy about ESPN being removed from the XL pacjage, and you are in contract term, you should be able to cancel your TV service without too much of a problem.

http://store.virginmedia.com/the-leg...es.html#ending

There are 2 sections in the terms and conditions which cover this very scenario.

Section B - f

"Some parts of the services (for example, television channels that form part of our television services and other content on, or accessible via, our television services) are supplied by other organisations. As a result, due to matters outside our reasonable control or for commercial or contractual reasons, we may change, cancel or postpone all or any component part(s) of the services without notice, but we will give you reasonable notice of any withdrawals and changes where it is possible to do so. You will be entitled to end this agreement if the changes are significant, as described in paragraph J3."

Section J - 3b

"If we and/or Virgin Media Payments make significant changes to the services so the services you are entitled to receive in return for the charges you pay are significantly altered or reduced you may cancel those services affected without penalty by giving us and/or Virgin Media Payments (as applicable) at least 30 days' notice. Such notice must be given within 30 days of the increase in charges or changes to the services or this agreement being notified to you."

The loss of ESPN, ESPN HD, ESPN America, ESPN Classic, ESPN on demand and access to the ESPN channels via Virgin anywhere are very significant changes to your package. It's not your fault that the channels have been removed during your contract term. You didn't ask for the channels to be removed. You didn't agree to the channels being removed. The service without ESPN is not what you signed a contract for!

Remember about 7 years ago when the SKY basic channels where removed, Virgin allowed people to cancel their contracts using very similar terms and conditions.
You're quite right Chad. Others seem to think that something being outside of VM's control somehow means this term doesn't apply. Even though this is clearly covered off in the first section. If a lawyer would like to publish differing legal advice, they could do but I haven't seen it but its just down to an interpretation of 'significant'. Simples.

ocav 01-08-2013 14:35
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I give up, Virgin couldn't help but loose them. End of. Therefore it is out of their control. Good luck trying it on with them, but the contract is clear.

borrissey 01-08-2013 14:46
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James: We’re talking to BT about how we can make the forthcoming BT Sports package available to you and will update the website as soon as we have any developments.

howardmicks 01-08-2013 14:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by borrissey (Post 35603708)
James: We’re talking to BT about how we can make the forthcoming BT Sports package available to you and will update the website as soon as we have any developments.
thats what they have been copying and pasting and similar for the past few days

bamav 01-08-2013 14:56
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On the positive side - the BT Sports channels don't launch until 6pm! ;)

Having said that, Sky Atlantic is already up and running, so no excuses there, VM!

borrissey 01-08-2013 15:05
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Late announcement! VM secure BT Sport free to all customers with 60MB BB and faster ;)

---------- Post added at 14:05 ---------- Previous post was at 14:00 ----------

Tried another chat...

Lee: I'm very confident of BT Sport arriving in the next few days.

eljay 01-08-2013 15:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35603662)
If you are unhappy about ESPN being removed from the XL pacjage, and you are in contract term, you should be able to cancel your TV service without too much of a problem.

http://store.virginmedia.com/the-leg...es.html#ending

There are 2 sections in the terms and conditions which cover this very scenario.

Section B - f

"Some parts of the services (for example, television channels that form part of our television services and other content on, or accessible via, our television services) are supplied by other organisations. As a result, due to matters outside our reasonable control or for commercial or contractual reasons, we may change, cancel or postpone all or any component part(s) of the services without notice, but we will give you reasonable notice of any withdrawals and changes where it is possible to do so. You will be entitled to end this agreement if the changes are significant, as described in paragraph J3."

Section J - 3b

"If we and/or Virgin Media Payments make significant changes to the services so the services you are entitled to receive in return for the charges you pay are significantly altered or reduced you may cancel those services affected without penalty by giving us and/or Virgin Media Payments (as applicable) at least 30 days' notice. Such notice must be given within 30 days of the increase in charges or changes to the services or this agreement being notified to you."

The loss of ESPN, ESPN HD, ESPN America, ESPN Classic, ESPN on demand and access to the ESPN channels via Virgin anywhere are very significant changes to your package. It's not your fault that the channels have been removed during your contract term. You didn't ask for the channels to be removed. You didn't agree to the channels being removed. The service without ESPN is not what you signed a contract for!

Remember about 7 years ago when the SKY basic channels where removed, Virgin allowed people to cancel their contracts using very similar terms and conditions.

Putting aside any "legal" or "contractual" arguments. Can you see VM folding on their apparent stance of not accepting the loss of these channels as a reason for nullifying the contract.

If you are a sports fan you would no doubt be right to consider this to be a significant change. If not, then as some have already inferred, you would not call it significant. I have no idea what the viewing figures are for these channels but even if it was as low as 5% of their TV subcribers you could still argue it was significant because it effected a significant number of their client base. If it was as low as 2% view it on a regular basis say, then they could possibly argue the opposite.

Whatever the facts I cannot see VM giving in easily as it would open the floodgates for anyone wanting to get out of their contract, on the pretence that as a football/sports fan this was a significant change.

I don't believe the Sky basics is a good comparison though as it could have effected both football/sports watchers as well as those that don't watch sport at all. Therefore, potentially effecting a much more signicant client base.

johnasimmons 01-08-2013 15:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by borrissey (Post 35603714)
Late announcement! VM secure BT Sport free to all customers with 60MB BB and faster ;)
:sniper:

borrissey 01-08-2013 15:16
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Man down!!!!

johnasimmons 01-08-2013 15:19
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I am outside VirginMedia HQ waiting for the BT/VM negotiation teams...:sniper:

borrissey 01-08-2013 15:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603725)
I am outside VirginMedia HQ waiting for the BT/VM negotiation teams...:sniper:
It's all done over Skype these.. Can't even get a firm hand shake in

johnasimmons 01-08-2013 15:22
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On VM forum:
BT Sport
01-08-2013 14:18 - edited ‎01-08-2013 14:18
We're going to be directing all conversation on this hot topic here so we've not got multiple threads running on this simultaneously. And as soon as we hear any news from the negotiating table we'll update you.

Thanks

Mark Wilkin
Help & Support Forum Manager

http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...N/td-p/1931534

neilo 01-08-2013 15:26
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Does that mean they don't know where they are? ;)

borrissey 01-08-2013 15:27
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Still teasing then...

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denphone 01-08-2013 15:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603725)
I am outside VirginMedia HQ waiting for the BT/VM negotiation teams...:sniper:
Sober l hope.;)

martin201002 01-08-2013 15:35
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Every single web page i view today has a bt sport advert on it :sniper:

johnasimmons 01-08-2013 15:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35603737)
Sober l hope.;)
Oh yes, I only actually drink on Friday & Saturday evenings :)

borrissey 01-08-2013 15:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martin201002 (Post 35603738)
Every single web page i view today has a bt sport advert on it :sniper:
BT could make a success of it build it up over the years, go for more premuim sport the ashes, ryder cup etc.

More prem league rights..

martin201002 01-08-2013 15:42
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best not go after the cricket I'll hunt them down personally.........:sniper:

RichardCoulter 01-08-2013 15:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35603484)
The only way I can see BT Sport coming to virgin media is for everyone to pay for it like you do on Sky. I know VM are probably trying to get it free for the top pack / s but if BT play hard ball and refuse to let them do it thats there only other option
Indeed it might.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35603508)
It appears the main problem is BT don't want wholesale they want to control the sign up's them selves like there doing on Sky. If VM could get that system on cable like Sky have BT Sport would have been announced ages ago
I do agree, it does appear that BT want to harvest VM customer details.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Catesby (Post 35603522)
Gavin-D,

Personally I think BT would not get as much money through individual sales than they would through a package deal. They would certainly get less viewers, which means less ad revenue. I doubt there's many who'd sign up for 12 months at £12p/m and if people could sign on a monthly basis they'd probably only do it for the games they wanted to watch then cancel.
At this stage I don't believe that money is the priority for BT.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richc1977 (Post 35603613)
I'll be watching the Doctor Who 50th on that day but no doubt the 3D version will be an exclusive to Sky!
I once thought that this would never happen, but as 3D has not really taken off and Sky have now made Sky 3D partially available to more of their own customers to increase viewers, it wouldn't surprise me if Sky 3D appeared on VM.

VM now appear to be the only company interested in expanding 3D, possibly hoping to capitalise on a niche market by mopping up all those interested in it from other providors.

borrissey 01-08-2013 15:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martin201002 (Post 35603743)
best not go after the cricket I'll hunt them down personally.........:sniper:
Could go after the 20/20 and sex it reet up.

martin201002 01-08-2013 15:51
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by borrissey (Post 35603746)
Could go after the 20/20 and sex it reet up.
Could do 20/20 is getting right dour.

howardmicks 01-08-2013 15:53
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by neilo (Post 35603728)
Does that mean they don't know where they are? ;)
They haven't a clue bud,I was speaking to retentions this morning and they told me they underestimated the backlash (understatement me thinks) tweeted bt got this back.


@BTCare: @Howardmicks We want BT Sport to be accessible to all and continue to negotiate with other TV platforms inc Virgin Media to achieve this aim

TMLeafs 01-08-2013 15:54
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Just phoned virgin media said i wanted discount was paying £121.05 for VIP plus extra V+ Box she said she could do it for £110 but required a new 12 month contact. Currently have BT sport on the Sky box at £13 (Free HD) so currently costing me an extra £1.95 a month Plus £15 activation fee. The only annoying thing is I cant record BT Sport due to not being a sky subscriber.

howardmicks 01-08-2013 15:55
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Anyone know if there still test the four channels they have another 4 going spare now

---------- Post added at 14:55 ---------- Previous post was at 14:54 ----------

What has happened to mb ??? I hope bt haven't kidnapped him !!!!

denphone 01-08-2013 15:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35603751)
Anyone know if there still test the four channels they have another 4 going spare now

---------- Post added at 14:55 ---------- Previous post was at 14:54 ----------

What has happened to mb ??? I hope bt haven't kidnapped him !!!!
l have not heard anything Howard.

Sirius 01-08-2013 15:56
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martin201002 (Post 35603738)
Every single web page i view today has a bt sport advert on it :sniper:
Thank god i use Firefox and Ad-block + then :)

Media Boy UK 01-08-2013 15:57
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35603751)
Anyone know if there still test the four channels they have another 4 going spare now
Have seen no updates on the channels that Virgin are testing today.

I hope can sign an deal with BT for BT Sports but if Virgin want me to pay more I will give BT Sport an miss.

I have not been posting today due to no new info from insider and also been busy with my Freeview box.

emmettk90 01-08-2013 15:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35603751)
Anyone know if there still test the four channels they have another 4 going spare now

---------- Post added at 14:55 ---------- Previous post was at 14:54 ----------

What has happened to mb ??? I hope bt haven't kidnapped him !!!!
Maybe he joined the dark side

Media Boy UK 01-08-2013 16:00
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by emmettk90 (Post 35603757)
Maybe he joined the dark side
Me - ever Virgin have got all the good channels bar BT Sports, ESPN and Drama.

young_timbo 01-08-2013 16:00
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35603749)
They haven't a clue bud,I was speaking to retentions this morning and they told me they underestimated the backlash (understatement me thinks) tweeted bt got this back.
haha, this is hilarious. Huge backlash eh? Thought NOBODY WOULD LEAVE EHHHH???? Because if you listen to the flowershop, fluffy ponies and tap dancing brigade on here, who detest football and despise people who are passionate about sport, but love Nick HD and see Nick HD and reruns of 24 as suitable replacement for ESPN/No BT Sport then Virgin have actually played a blinder. So I'm told by these lot. Because there is no demand whatsoever for BT Sport, it's GREAT BUSINESS not to get BT Sport I'm told!!! Virgin are much better off without it and only a TINY FRACTION OF THEIR CUSTOMERS WANT BT SPORT, SO THEY SHOULDN'T BOTHER GETTING IT!!!!!

RichardCoulter 01-08-2013 16:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35603425)
Anyone spoke to BomberAF to see what happened? He seemed so sure of what was happning, did one of his insiders jump the gun to quick?
Anyone who saw todays edition of "Doctors" on BBC1 will see that Bomber is running a church in Letherbridge.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MaverickJesus (Post 35603431)
Could do with an update from RichardCoulter, he should check why there appears to be a confidentiality agreement on a contract that has never existed.
As far as I'm aware the position is exactly the same, I met somebody who I thought might know last Sunday evenIng, but there's nothing further to report.

Quote:
Originally Posted by eljay (Post 35603436)
It is normal that all parties sign a confidentiality agreement prior to any discussions/negotiations on a major contract. I work under these type of agreements every day.
Indeed, which is why no-one appears to be able to obtain any concrete verifiable information.

Darn these pesky people for behahaving in a professional manner :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35603437)
lets see if UPC announce anything today
I thought that BT Sports was available on UPC Ireland in the Setanta Sports pack? I doubt that UPC will have handed over their customer details...

borrissey 01-08-2013 16:03
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MB has joined the BT forums.

praxis 01-08-2013 16:04
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by emmettk90 (Post 35603338)
Eurosport seriously VM. What is on that channel that comes close to sport ( tiddlywinks )
Football , Tennis , MotoGP , WSBK , BSB , Snooker , All Winter sports to name just a few ?

howardmicks 01-08-2013 16:06
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Can't believe vm are still claiming on twitter that espn is no longer available in the uk,lying to your customers great not

denphone 01-08-2013 16:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by borrissey (Post 35603761)
MB has joined the BT forums.
MB is one of us dear chap.:nono:

Doug P 01-08-2013 16:08
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by praxis (Post 35603762)
Football , Tennis , MotoGP , WSBK , BSB , Snooker , All Winter sports to name just a few ?
and superb cycling coverage, speedway....

Richc1977 01-08-2013 16:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by praxis (Post 35603762)
Football , Tennis , MotoGP , WSBK , BSB , Snooker , All Winter sports to name just a few ?
Yes but BT have bought up the rights to the WTA, so when British Eurosport's contract is up (ends in 2014) BT will have an exclusive upto 2016.

Moto GP on BBC and Eurosport have it until end of this season then exclusive on BT 2014 -2018.

They will not have much left, Aussy Open Tennis and French open shared with ITV.

Media Boy UK 01-08-2013 16:14
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I do like Eurosport.

Did you know that Sky did part own Eurosport until 1991 before Sky takeover of BSB.

BSB did launch Sky Sports under the name of The Sports Channel.

Paul 01-08-2013 16:15
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*sigh* Posts removed, please act like adults people.

Doug P 01-08-2013 16:15
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Good no WTA bunging up the schedules... love women's sport but not golf and tennis....

young_timbo 01-08-2013 16:17
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Yesterday I was told, by the man with the Crystal Palace icon, that Virgin not getting BT Sport was good great business for Virgin. This was said with a straight face, and everybody agreed with him bar me and one other football fan. This forum is mental. Proper looneybin stuff this. Reading this as a sports fan: It's so bad, people are so wrong, people are so misinformed, that it is in a roundabout way impossible to look away. I have to read these posts out of morbid curiosity more than anything else. My favourite moments were equating Live Barclays Premier League football to reruns of 24. This did happen. Nick HD as suitable replacement for BT Sport. This happened. And being told, and I quote, BT Sport not coming to Virgin makes perfect business sense. That happened.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/08/23.gif

Paul 01-08-2013 16:18
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by young_timbo (Post 35603759)
haha, this is hilarious.......
There really was no need to post in such a manner, take a chill pill and calm down. This applies to everyone else as well, this thread spends a lot of its time looking like a kids playground. You would not (I hope) act like this in public, so dont act like it here.

Doug P 01-08-2013 16:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35603782)
I do like Eurosport.

Did you know that Sky did part own Eurosport until 1991 before Sky takeover of BSB.

BSB did launch Sky Sports under the name of The Sports Channel.
British Satellite Broadcasting has The Sports Channel which survived a little while under the Sky Sports umbrella after the takeover... Power was music and Galaxy was great fun. Remember the pic quality seeming very good on the old United Artists Cable...

martin201002 01-08-2013 16:20
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by young_timbo (Post 35603788)
Yesterday I was told, by the man with the Crystal Palace icon, that Virgin not getting BT Sport was good great business for Virgin. This was said with a straight face, and everybody agreed with him bar me and one other football fan. This forum is mental. Proper looneybin stuff this. Reading this as a sports fan: It's so bad, people are so wrong, people are so misinformed, that it is in a roundabout way impossible to look away. I have to read these posts out of morbid curiosity more than anything else. My favourite moments were equating Live Barclays Premier League football to reruns of 24. This did happen. Nick HD as suitable replacement for BT Sport. This happened. And being told, and a quote, BT Sport not coming to Virgin makes perfect business sense. That happened.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/08/23.gif
A lot of different people certainly have very different ideas, i just hope btsport turns up in time for me to watch liverpool v stoke.

johnasimmons 01-08-2013 16:22
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Mark, a mod on VM forum, states that 'talks are going down to the wire' - does this mean down to 6pm today?

Mark_Wilkin wrote:
....The only thing I can say right now is that we're still talking to BT about this as we speak. And in my experience these things can sometimes go right down to the wire.

thegrid 01-08-2013 16:22
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Hi, I've been keeping an eye on this forum for a few days now. I couldn't resist getting involved in all the speculation. I know some of you probably won't agree with me but I think Virgin Media are playing their cards well. I know some of you may want BT Sport right now but I truly believe that it will be here sooner rather than later.

Dave42 01-08-2013 16:24
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603791)
Mark, a mod on VM forum, states that 'talks are going down to the wire' - does this mean down to 6pm today?
would be very surprised if anything happens today John

young_timbo 01-08-2013 16:26
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603791)
Mark, a mod on VM forum, states that 'talks are going down to the wire' - does this mean down to 6pm today?

Mark_Wilkin wrote:
....The only thing I can say right now is that we're still talking to BT about this as we speak. And in my experience these things can sometimes go right down to the wire.
Doesn't say talks are going down to the wire though, does it. He says in my experience talks sometimes go down to the wire. Big difference. One is current, a definite statement of fact. the other is simply speculation of what might happen in future.

thegrid 01-08-2013 16:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603791)
Mark, a mod on VM forum, states that 'talks are going down to the wire' - does this mean down to 6pm today?

Mark_Wilkin wrote:
....The only thing I can say right now is that we're still talking to BT about this as we speak. And in my experience these things can sometimes go right down to the wire.
I've gotta admit, it is a good sign. Just going to have to play the waiting game now.

ottoni 01-08-2013 16:28
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What a complete and utter mess all of this bt sport fiasco is causing!!, haven't posted on here in almost a year have been on the dark side! but I am coming back..............possibly.

Scanned for any new channels through my dvb-c samsung tv and only found 2 channels testing on tuesday 30/7, it didn't say what they were just 'hidden'

So, things have changed quite a bit in nearly 12 months, but I see Virgin's stupid games haven't.

Sky atlantic should be here by now at least in SD, and well, bt sports what do we expect?

howardmicks 01-08-2013 16:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thegrid (Post 35603792)
Hi, I've been keeping an eye on this forum for a few days now. I couldn't resist getting involved in all the speculation. I know some of you probably won't agree with me but I think Virgin Media are playing their cards well. I know some of you may want BT Sport right now but I truly believe that it will be here sooner rather than later.
Go along with that bud,think vm are playing the waiting game but are also taking a massive gamble,If what i am reading on twitter/Facebook is true and of course what I heard this morning they are losing customers.
The chap i spoke to in retentions did say to me he felt bt sports will arrive but they are getting best deal for us as we'll as them hence the delay :confused:

denphone 01-08-2013 16:29
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35603791)
Mark, a mod on VM forum, states that 'talks are going down to the wire' - does this mean down to 6pm today?

Mark_Wilkin wrote:
....The only thing I can say right now is that we're still talking to BT about this as we speak. And in my experience these things can sometimes go right down to the wire.
Well lets see John as we seem to have more rumours then we get on the back pages of a sports paper.

Dave42 01-08-2013 16:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ottoni (Post 35603798)
What a complete and utter mess all of this bt sport fiasco is causing!!, haven't posted on here in almost a year have been on the dark side! but I am coming back..............possibly.

Scanned for any new channels through my dvb-c samsung tv and only found 2 channels testing on tuesday 30/7, it didn't say what they were just 'hidden'

So, things have changed quite a bit in nearly 12 months, but I see Virgin's stupid games haven't.

Sky atlantic should be here by now at least in SD, and well, bt sports what do we expect?
no way will sky chance there stance on that would you pay way over the odds for it like sky want I sure wouldnt

thegrid 01-08-2013 16:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35603801)
Go along with that bud,think vm are playing the waiting game but are also taking a massive gamble,If what i am reading on twitter/Facebook is true and of course what I heard this morning they are losing customers.
The chap i spoke to in retentions did say to me he felt bt sports will arrive but they are getting best deal for us as we'll as them hence the delay :confused:
Well, if that's the way Virgin are doing it, they are thinking about the customers they have. Although not everybody will take up BT Sport, the ones will want it will get it at the best price whether that be included in XL or as an odd-on package who knows but regarding that nothing major starts until August 17, they're using their bargaining tool and it probably will work.

howardmicks 01-08-2013 16:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35603793)
would be very surprised if anything happens today John
Agree bud,unfortunately I was right with my predictions yesterday and I predict nothing is gonna happen at least this week anyway:(

ottoni 01-08-2013 16:35
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
I suppose all of this is getting Virgin in the news, be it for good or bad reasons!:dozey:

I myself am not really interested in football, but I think as a minimum it should be available to buy like on Sky.

Clarence 01-08-2013 16:35
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Just been on to retentions. They have told me they are very frustrated also, and that we can all cancel our TV contracts due to the loss of ESPN. No attempt whatsoever to try and keep the business... I got the feeling they've just given up as there is nothing they can say to assuage the way in which their senior management have behaved on this.

young_timbo 01-08-2013 16:36
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thegrid (Post 35603796)
I've gotta admit, it is a good sign. Just going to have to play the waiting game now.
What's a good sign? huh, wut!? Did I miss something?? All I saw was a moderator on £6.50ph speculating that things sometimes go down to the wire. Any one of us could of written that. And obviously there are going down to the wire as the channel's already started! :D we're past the wire, and on the other side of the wire now. the wire is behind us. look behind you, and there's a bloody great big wire in the background.

Yes let's play the waiting game. Cos none of us have been waiting up until now, let's all start to wait and see what happens.

joglynne 01-08-2013 16:39
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Quote:
1 Aug 2013 ... Virgin Media TV On Demand brings Sesame Street to UK homes.

Virgin Media has announced it is bringing the beloved children’s series Sesame Street to the UK through its On Demand to all Virgin Media XL TV customers from today. Selected episodes from seasons 36 to 43 are now available on Virgin TV On Demand, as well as online with Virgin TV Anywhere.
http://mediacentre.virginmedia.com/S...omes-2489.aspx

ChrisB74 01-08-2013 16:39
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If we don't get BT Sport I just hope that the money remaining from the loss of ESPN [let's say £9.99 per month in XL price] is used to pay for the following and then VM will be loved once more!

-CI HD
-CI +1
-HISTORY HD
-Sky News HD
-Sky Sports News HD
-More 4 HD
-Disney Channel HD
-Disney Junior +
-Disney Junior HD
-Disney XD HD
-FOX +1
-MGM HD
-Nat Wild HD
-E! HD
-Universal Channel HD

[and if Sky are feeling like ganging up on BT]
-Sky Atlantic
-Sky Atlantic +1
-Sky Atlantic HD
-Sky Sports F1 HD
-Sky Sports 3 HD
-Sky Sports 4 HD

johnasimmons 01-08-2013 16:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ottoni (Post 35603798)
What a complete and utter mess all of this bt sport fiasco is causing!!, haven't posted on here in almost a year have been on the dark side! but I am coming back..............possibly.

Scanned for any new channels through my dvb-c samsung tv and only found 2 channels testing on tuesday 30/7, it didn't say what they were just 'hidden'

So, things have changed quite a bit in nearly 12 months, but I see Virgin's stupid games haven't.

Sky atlantic should be here by now at least in SD, and well, bt sports what do we expect?
With the 2 'hidden' channels and the four freed by ESPN going that is 6 channels...

young_timbo 01-08-2013 16:41
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let's all wait and see what happens. all we can do now, is play the waiting game.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/08/22.gif

"Look, BT Sport has just arrived on Virgin!!!"

howardmicks 01-08-2013 16:42
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clarence (Post 35603810)
Just been on to retentions. They have told me they are very frustrated also, and that we can all cancel our TV contracts due to the loss of ESPN. No attempt whatsoever to try and keep the business... I got the feeling they've just given up as there is nothing they can say to assuage the way in which their senior management have behaved on this.
Seriously is that true,I'm gonna ring them again if that's the case.still got a great deal off sky on the table

thegrid 01-08-2013 16:43
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by young_timbo (Post 35603812)
What's a good sign? huh, wut!? Did I miss something?? All I saw was a moderator on £6.50ph speculating that things sometimes go down to the wire. Any one of us could of written that. And obviously there are going down to the wire as the channel's already started! :D we're past the wire, and on the other side of the wire now. the wire is behind us. look behind you, and there's a bloody great big wire in the background.

Yes let's play the waiting game. Cos none of us have been waiting up until now, let's all start to wait and see what happens.
It's all about patience. And his payscale doesn't make any difference. Atleast they're taking the time to update us no-matter how small. I think the wire they're referring to is the first day of the premier league on August 17.

Doug P 01-08-2013 16:43
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Anyone from VM like to comment? That post by Clarence indicates a very off message member of customer services...

ottoni 01-08-2013 16:44
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by young_timbo (Post 35603812)
What's a good sign? huh, wut!? Did I miss something?? All I saw was a moderator on £6.50ph speculating that things sometimes go down to the wire. Any one of us could of written that. And obviously there are going down to the wire as the channel's already started! :D we're past the wire, and on the other side of the wire now. the wire is behind us. look behind you, and there's a bloody great big wire in the background.

Yes let's play the waiting game. Cos none of us have been waiting up until now, let's all start to wait and see what happens.
Lets look at it from both sides, BT have got this brand new product and has come into this with all the bells and whistles going and it has, of course got peoples attention. They want primarily to use this to get new phone and broadband customers, but if it steals some virgin and Sky customers, all the better great PR for BT.

Virgin on the other hand have dug a bit of a hole for themselves. They have now become associated with giving football away as 'free' with tv xl from when it was Setanta and then ESPN. Virgin now want it again with BT and of course BT are playing hardball. They will both end up losing, virgin would have eroded themselves the value of their top tier tv package if they can't get it, and BT will have to explain to shareholders why a potential 4-5 million extra viewers can't see their tv channels.

howardmicks 01-08-2013 16:44
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisB74 (Post 35603815)
If we don't get BT Sport I just hope that the money remaining from the loss of ESPN [let's say £9.99 per month in XL price] is used to pay for the following and then VM will be loved once more!

-CI HD
-CI +1
-HISTORY HD
-Sky News HD
-Sky Sports News HD
-More 4 HD
-Disney Channel HD
-Disney Junior +
-Disney Junior HD
-Disney XD HD
-FOX +1
-MGM HD
-Nat Wild HD
-E! HD
-Universal Channel HD

[and if Sky are feeling like ganging up on BT]
-Sky Atlantic
-Sky Atlantic +1
-Sky Atlantic HD
-Sky Sports F1 HD
-Sky Sports 3 HD
-Sky Sports 4 HD
The money there saving from not paying espn is going nowhere other than gathering interest to end up in shareholders back pockets

Jameseh 01-08-2013 16:44
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisB74 (Post 35603815)
If we don't get BT Sport I just hope that the money remaining from the loss of ESPN [let's say £9.99 per month in XL price]
Lets say 30p.

howardmicks 01-08-2013 16:45
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
30 p off 4 million customers is a lot bud

johnasimmons 01-08-2013 16:46
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35603826)
30 p off 4 million customers is a lot bud
1.2 million pounds...

thegrid 01-08-2013 16:48
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Originally Posted by ottoni (Post 35603823)
Lets look at it from both sides, BT have got this brand new product and has come into this with all the bells and whistles going and it has, of course got peoples attention. They want primarily to use this to get new phone and broadband customers, but if it steals some virgin and Sky customers, all the better great PR for BT.

Virgin on the other hand have dug a bit of a hole for themselves. They have now become associated with giving football away as 'free' with tv xl from when it was Setanta and then ESPN. Virgin now want it again with BT and of course BT are playing hardball. They will both end up losing, virgin would have eroded themselves the value of their top tier tv package if they can't get it, and BT will have to explain to shareholders why a potential 4-5 million extra viewers can't see their tv channels.
I've got to agree with you on this. Sky will probably end up being the winner with this as they have the full package. BT has their sport and Virgin has the rest. I'll be staying with Virgin because i'm not in a rush to get BT Sport. Although it will be showing the majority of my Teams games this season, it doesn't really bother me.

Islandman 01-08-2013 16:48
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisB74 (Post 35603815)
If we don't get BT Sport I just hope that the money remaining from the loss of ESPN [let's say £9.99 per month in XL price] is used to pay for the following and then VM will be loved once more!

-CI HD
-CI +1
-HISTORY HD
-Sky News HD
-Sky Sports News HD
-More 4 HD
-Disney Channel HD
-Disney Junior +
-Disney Junior HD
-Disney XD HD
-FOX +1
-MGM HD
-Nat Wild HD
-E! HD
-Universal Channel HD

[and if Sky are feeling like ganging up on BT]
-Sky Atlantic
-Sky Atlantic +1
-Sky Atlantic HD
-Sky Sports F1 HD
-Sky Sports 3 HD
-Sky Sports 4 HD
The logic of this thinking escapes me. So, we lose 4 sports channels, denying us access to many sports including the EPL, but if VM replace them with Disney channels and other channels we mostly already have but not in HD, all will be well and we'll all love VM again. NO WE WON'T! THEY NEED TO REPLACE WHAT THEY HAVE TAKEN AWAY. DISNEY???????

muppetman11 01-08-2013 16:50
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...-rejected.html

Very interesting whilst good news for Sky what does this mean for wholesale deals of BT Sport ? VM already have all the Sky Sports channels in SD and two in HD while BT can currently only offer its own sports channels with its You view box will they want to strengthen its competitors sports offerings ?I guess we'll have to wait and see.

It could be argued all the pay TV platforms now have stronger sports offerings than BT's You view.

young_timbo 01-08-2013 16:50
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
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Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35603825)
Lets say 30p.
I looked into this the other day. Bar one poster on here, all evidence I can see points to ESPN having received a fee of £2-£3 per sub from Virgin. I don't believe 30p for a minute, nobody would accept 30p out of £114. you'd just say get stuffed. out of principle.


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