Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

No news yet on any UK broadcaster have the rights to the England game but good news is two non UK broadcaster has won the rights.

To all Scottish fans they are still no news on Japan VS Scotland game being shown in the UK.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

New sitcom coming to living starring Courtney Cox. Looks interesting.

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/i...06343.article#

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

I saw the first episode of that the other night and it was quite good. Hopefully it won't be in a slot where they have to cut it to bits.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

What is the common denominator here? Are those all ex-TW areas? All Langley platform?

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I fail to see the correlation between HD launch on Sky and dropping +2 on VM.

As long as there is bandwidth and an EPG slot on VM, why not keep Living +2? :confused:

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Without it being on Sky, it won't be viable to stay just on VM

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Even putting aside the fact that Living is (currently) owned by VM, how much extra can it cost to host another time-shift version of a channel of which you already have the SD, SD +1 and HD versions? When you say "viable", do you mean for Living to supply it or for VM to deliver it?

This is definitely an aspect of the supply/delivery mechanism that I still don't get. :confused:

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Virgin will need a EPG slot on Sky for Living HD and the easiest way to get one is to replace one of their own channels.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

I would like to see V/M hold onto Living HD, and not give it to Sky from the start

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Theres no money to be made from that, only a small percentage of Virgin viewers will be HD capable and on Sky they can get a bigger reach and get some of the Sky subscription money, or better yet maybe some Sky HD channels. There is no benefit for the consumer for exclusive channels.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

sky aint willing to give more that pentance sicne they dnt think livign hd is value for money theyu think sky1 hd is better ;)

they dnt need a epg slot for hd channels as i foudn out they can launch dh channels withotu affecting old sd boxes

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

There's no money to be made from HD simulcasts anyway.

I've said this a million times but people still keep banging on about how it's not viable to have a HD channel not on sky like it's gospel, when infact it's total rubbish.

What extra revenue does a HD simulcast of a channel generate? There will be an extremely limited increase in viewers of SD + HD compared to SD alone as there's only a tiny amount of people that will point blank refuse to watch SD, so any viewers on HD are simply subtracting from the SD viewing figures. That means the key metric for channel revenue from advertisers which is eyeballs on sets, remains the same, they've just migrated from one channel to another, and are watching the same adverts.

Unless advertisers pay more for HD advertising (and they don't) then withholding an HD version of a channel DOES NOT in any way effect revenue, hence why Sky can do it, because any viewers that would watch the HD channel are just watching the SD one instead and they're still getting their ad revenue from them.

The only additional revenue will be from the carriage fee, which is going to be limited for a HD channel (there's no way they'll get a share of the HD sub) and VM would be far better off using it as a bargaining chip to get Sky HD channels.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Of course they will get part of the HD sub, Living is a pay TV channel it is not going to broadcast as free to air. Even ESPN which you have to pay a separate sub for still requires you to pay the HD sub to see the HD version.

I agree with using it as leverage, but to get the Sky Basics surely they need just more then Living, their case would be much stronger with Bravo and Virgin 1 HD.

And surely the number of viewers does matter, if only a handful of people are watching the HD version would still make sense to keep paying for HD masters?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

They wont get a part of the sub, that is at sky descretion who gets it, and do you really think there goign to give there biggest rival part of it or there chanenls emans they have compettion?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Referring to my original question ...
Zantarous: I realise that Living may have to replace their +2 slot on the Sky EPG with HD but surely +2 can still stay on VM.

Toady: You haven't explained your viability theory for +2 on VM only.

AndrewC: I don't see why you think Living wouldn't need an EPG slot for HD.

Even more :confused: now!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Until it happens we won't know for sure, but if Living +2 was VM only then it wouldn't reach as many viewers as the other two channels and I guess advertiser pay a particular rate for +1 channels.

As for Living on Sky, I really can't see the channel not being included in the HD sub, after all Living does quite well on Sky and Sky would not want a two tier HD service.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Apgolise i never put it across right, of course it need epg slot, but i emna it wouldnt need one that sd box would require, since as i been told they can launch more hd channels withotu affecting the sd box, but they can t launch mor sd channels untilt eh problem wiht old boxes is fixed.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

We now have Living HD, if we got Virgin 1HD and Bravo HD

Would Sky give V/M the Sky HD channels for V/M HD channels

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Ah, OK, I understand what you mean now, I think.

Older Sky STBs have no more capacity for new EPG slots but, as the HD channels only appear in the Sky+ STB EPG, the old boxes are not affected by the addition of HD channels. Right?

Most people's Set-Top-Boxes are actually Under-Set-Boxes and so should be called USBs!
(Like we need another acronym for USB.) :rolleyes:

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

This could all become irrelevant if Sky (as is likely) buys VM's bouquet of channels off them (i.e Living, Bravo etc).

It sticks in my throat a bit if Sky does grab them but on the other hand imho it makes it more likely we would begin to see a trickle of Sky HD on VM!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

There's a huge difference between a consumer having to pay the HD sub to receive a channel, and the channel provider actually getting a share in it. I'd be willing to put money on the fact that ESPN for example don't recieve any of the £10/month HD sub. The very fact that more and more HD channels get added without the sub rising supports this, if the HD sub was being shared amoung channel providers it would have to increase as more channels were added.

I can pretty much gaurentee that they only people that get money from the Sky HD sub are sky themselves, the other HD channels will simply be providing the channels as part of a standard carriage deal for a marginal increase (if any at all) on what they were paid for the SD varient.

The amount of people watching is only important in so much that you have an audience to justify the additional expense of producing or aquiring HD content. VM will likely feel that the HD audience on VM alone is enough to justify it, especially as it adds upsell opportunities for them.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Just had a look at Tuesdays listings for Living HD and it has program listings from 7am on launch day.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Virgin TV news update: (Info from Wikipedia)

From October 1st. Kerrang is available for free to all L pack subscribers on Virgin Channel 342 until 31 October.

Before 2010
Virgin Media will introduce EPG improvements.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

any news on any asian channels media boy

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Maybe a faster epg?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

wer you from in lancs pal

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

All the info I have on Asian Channels on Virgin TV is in my list on page one (post one).

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Media Boy EXCLUSIVE: Broadcasters talks to Media Boy.

History has told me in an email when ask about more History own channels joining Virgin TV: ''apparently there are no plans at present.''

Then I ask Dicovery when is Quest going to launch on Virgin TV and I got the following back:

Dear Media Boy,

Unfortunately, Quest is not currently available in Virgin.

The contracts covered by our channels are frequently under review, so it is possible that this situation may change in the future.

Any new information regarding channel availability will be announced on our web site and via your local cable or satellite provider.

Best regards Quest support team.

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Setanta Sports UK Fall out: England match to be internet only.

The England match will be limited to a maximum of one million subscribers
England's World Cup qualifier in Ukraine on Saturday will be shown exclusively live to subscribers on the internet who will pay at least £4.99.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/8286886.stm

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NBU to give an new look to it UK Channels and are looking into launching two new UK Channels.

May launch soon in UK:
Universal Channel
13th Street

Will soon be rebrand in UK:
Sci-Fi will be rebrand as Syfy Universal
Diva TV will be rebrand as Diva Universal

But NBU’s other UK channels, such as Movies 24 and Hallmark will remain in place.

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/i...006409.article

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ITV1 to show Brazil VS England in November.

ITV are to broadcast Brazil v England an International Friendly on Saturday November 14 at 5pm live on ITV1, UTV and ITV HD.

Viewers in Scotland will need to tune into ITV1 London on Sky 993 and Virgin 853.

http://footballonvirgintv.blogspot.c...ngland-in.html

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This week list of LIVE Football on Virgin now on line - http://footballonvirgintv.blogspot.c...virgin-tv.html

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

This weeks update is now on Cable Forum - see post one.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Living hd now on hdtv light now on v+ box showing boston legal very crisp picture but black border all around picture maybe still testing.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

HD channels don't stretch pictures, so some remain with black borders.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

KidsCo eyes 2010 launch.

KidsCo has set a 2010 deadline for its UK launch and is considering going free to air. (And its) chief executive Paul Robinson - not him in Neighbours - told Broadcast that he is currently in “active talks” with a number of platforms and (he hope to) launch in the UK “in the first half of next year”.

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/i...006454.article

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

What all around the picture.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Sky 1 HD for example when they output the simpsons before they were made in 16:9 are 4:3 as are Family Guy on FX HD. Dunno about VM channels though but if the original broadcast was 4:3 then the HD will be too

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

If Living is showing a widescreen picture in 4:3 you would get it.

Anyone who has watched anything recent like NCIS on FX (not FX HD) will know what it looks like!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windowbox_(film)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Is your pic still like that Gadge? when I checked it before it was showing A.N.T.M and that was 4:3 (as it should be), same as LIVING... pic quality is way better though. HD flags on the tv guide too for the progs in HiDef.. :)

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fixed that link :)

Click Me!

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

No its 4.3 now but this morning at about 4.20 it was just a picture with a black border all around hence why i said this morning still testing.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

I should imagine it was at the time.... looking forward to Ghost whisperer tonight in HD!!! :D

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Yes we have it set up ready,me and the wife were just discussing now we have a few hd channels what to expect next.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Any info on ppv channel primetime?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

No info on this channel coming to Virgin on October 17th.

I seen on Digital Spy Forums yesterday that Primetime is maybe an one-off PPV Channel - only broadcasting for one night.

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I have seen information that Virgin are hoping to get every non Sky brand channel* that broadcast on Sky HD right as well as may some Virgin only channels.

*Sky brand channel = channels like Sky One HD and Sky Sports HD 1.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

wat about geo tv coming to vm

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

No news in months.

The last information I seen was from the Geo TV web site.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

It is just the way BL was broadcast I was still up then to and had a flick after seeing a post on Digital Spy and it was being broadcast like that on Living +1 afterwards as well. Looks like Virgin do not have widescreen masters for BL.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

any news on madani channel

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Nope.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

How's the sound on LivingHD? We find that on regular Living the programs are whisper quiet but the ad breaks blow your head off.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Setanta Sports UK Fall out: BREAKING NEWS - ITV's six-figure offer for England qualifer rejected.

Media group Perform turned down a six-figure sum from ITV to show the highlights of the England World Cup qualifier against Ukraine on a terrestrial station.

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/b...006474.article

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In other news:

Japan VS Scotland will be broadcast LIVE on BBC Radio Scotland on Saturday*.

*Non Ex-Telewest viewers can hear this game on Virgin Channel 930. Ex-Telewest viewers in Scotland can also hear this game on Virgin Channel 930.

BBC Scotland DID bid for the TV Rights but the Japan FA says no to the offer on the table.

http://sport.scotsman.com/football/S...the.5705622.jp

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Anymore news on anymore hd channels coming now there is some dont virgin lacking now.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

All the info I have on HD Channels coming to Virgin TV is on my list on post one.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

media boy could bbc itv ,sky or five still bid for england game for sat

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

No.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Nothing to stop them bidding for the highlights.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/b...006474.article


Try this link and also media boy posted the same before !

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Media Boy EXCLUSIVE: BBC Scotland to air Scotland game on Saturday.

BBC Scotland has told me in an email today that BBC Scotland have got the TV rights to show Japan VS Scotland LIVE.

The game will be broadcast on BBC Two Scotland from 11am.

With Kick off being that 11.20am.

UPDATE AT 6.50PM: My Freesat from Sky now showing listing on EPG for the game.

NOTE: I do not know if BBC Red Button will show this game outside Scotland yet but you can still hear the game on BBC Radio Scotland (Not outside Scotland in Ex-Telewest areas.)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Slightly off topic....... I find ALL HD channels are quieter than the SD ones does anyone know why?
Media boy can you or anyone shed any light on this?

ESPN and BBC HD are two that spring to mind!:confused:

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

I think it something to do with the way HD Channels broadcast.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

It's because they are broadcast in Dolby 5.1...DVD players are the same :)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

setanta sports fall out - Chelsea TV to show England U-21 game

Chelsea TV has secured rights to broadcast live coverage of England's Under-21 Championship qualifier against Macedonia this Friday.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcas...u-21-game.html

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

It is because SD channels are stereo and HD channels are Dolby digital 5.1.

DD5.1 has a much wider dynamic range so in order for those channels to NOT destroy your sound system when very loud occurrences happen, ie like a explosion, the nominal volume must be lower. Most AV amps will have a system to manage dynamic range but most TV sets won't.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Virgin viewers can view this U21 game on the FA website for FREE: http://www.thefa.com/England/MensUnd...roadcast.aspx#

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

MB BBC are now listing the Scotland/Japan game as on the Red Button

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tv_a...io/5345480.stm

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Thanks for update.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Post one has been updated.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

whats lateSt on ARY QTV

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

No news.

When I get any news I will post it on this thread.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Is Chelsea TV coming back to Virginmedia to show these games?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

it wa snever on virign media int he first place

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

wasnt it

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

UEFA Europa League - update: ITV picks Lazio and Celtic games for Day 3.

Lazio v Villarreal - UEFA Europa League Group G - ITV4 from 17:30.
Celtic v Hamburg - UEFA Europa League Group C - ITV4 from 20:00.

UEFA Europa League - update: ESPN to show Everton and (Game TBC) games for Day 3.

Benfica v Everton - UEFA Europa League Group I - ESPN from 17:30.

*Five will show Roma VS Fulham.

All games listed on this post are to be played October 22nd.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Any news on Blue Square football, Media Boy?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Yip no one wants it

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

not worth it

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

england highlights bbc 1 10.15 pm just heard on radio 5

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Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Sky Sports to show Wales v Scotland in November.

on Saturday November 14th from 2.30pm Sky Sports will show Wales v Scotland live on Sky Sports 1.

Info from Livefootballontv.

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Colours on my list on post one:

Media Boy = New Info just added.
Media Boy = Virgin Media News.
Media Boy EXCLUSIVE: = It an Media Boy EXCLUSIVE and you can only see it on my Blogs or on this thread.
Setanta Sports = It Setanta Sports UK Full out (BOLD = it just been added).
Media Boy = Other info.
Media Boy = Live Football on Virgin TV news and other Media news.

---------- Post added at 13:54 ---------- Previous post was at 13:50 ----------

The new-look list update on Post one is now online.

---------- Post added at 14:31 ---------- Previous post was at 13:54 ----------

This weeks live football fixtures on Virgin TV now online at - http://footballonvirgintv.blogspot.c...this-week.html

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Virgin Media are updating their Viewing Cards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn3tfH-WYkM

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Hoo-rah! :) :)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

According to that it takes 30 minutes, once the new card is inserted, for the channels to come back. If it takes longer than 3 minutes for my channels to come back, I'll chuck the stbs out of the window! I'll assume that's an error and I'll also assume that VM won't do this close to Christmas, so probably next year when this happens.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Step in the right direction from Virgin but I though Nagra 3 was already compromised?

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

No nagra 3 has not been cracked or compromised as yet,and according to forums i have browsed it may well be a loooong time before it does,if at all.:)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

spoke to vm this morning and they say that the viewing
cards are Not being updated.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

good

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

And VM customer service have such a good track record for knowing what is going on dont they........

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

UEFA Europa League - update: ESPN to show Ajax v Dinamo Zagreb as final Day 3 game.

Ajax v Dinamo Zagreb - ESPN from 20:00.

Game listed on this post to be played October 22nd.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

was not just CS i rang 151 as well to see what they said and also they knew
nothing about this , so the video on utube must be a wind up

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

CS very rarely knows anything if oyu belivee CS then we will be having SKY HD channels in 2 weeks ;)

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

surely if it is happening the people at the faults department whould know
as they have more techincial knolowege than cs

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Why would they? Fault diagnostics is the same whether there are 2 or 20 HD channels. So they get told the same time as everyone else

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and take it you're kidding!

Because why would they

A) Take the time to make a "joke" video (WITH Computer animation no less) about new VM cards AND

B) Spend the money to hire Martin Freeman (of The Office fame) to do the voice-over!

Yeah... must be a wind up :shrug:

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

I tend to agree.... Also if somebody was to go to those lengths, then surley there would be some punchline.

Still you never know. When it all turns out to be a mega wind up and I believed it, wont I feel foolish....... probably not to be honest.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

In regrads to the new cards i asked this on twitter and also posted the link as well :

devilincarnate0: @virginmedia Is it true that you are sending new cards out for custs ? http://bit.ly/g3vlX

And this is the reply that i got back :

virginmedia: @devilincarnate0 Yes; more information will be supplied in the coming weeks. AA

so it looks like that it is true !

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Virgin have already said they would be replacing the Conditional Access system (Which is what the Smartcards are). However it seems this video have been posted way in advance of that happening.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

I can now confirm the card change is happening.

An Virgin viewer has told me that Virgin are testing the advert posted on youtube on one of their test channels.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

CS can't even give you the right price on a package let alone tell you about the security cards. They will probably find out the day customers start calling in saying that their card doesn't work.

I would suspect that it is a few months of as you don't want to do such a large scale project just before Christmas. Or perhaps they will do some small areas before to test the roll out.

Although I have been with cable for over 10 years and can't recall them ever changing the card except when changing STB.

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

just filled in form regarding hd channels emailed to me near the end ask if willing to pay between £3-£5 for them so lets see, here's a link
http://survey.confirmit.com/wix2/p10...967&s=QROCUJVW

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Looks like this is the hd channesl they plan to try launch soon (all taken formt eh survey hidge provide)

Crime and Investgation HD
Discovery HD
History HD
E4 HD
Luxe HD
Bio HD
National Geo Wild HD
ITV HD
Rush HD
Eurosport HD
Five HD
Good Food HD
Sundance HD
SciFI HD
Living 2 HD
Sky 1 HD
Sky Arts 1 HD
Sky Arts 2 HD
Sky Real lives HD
Sky Sports 1 HD
Sky Sports 2 HD
Sky Sports 3 HD
Sky Movies HD
edit there was more channesl on options
there was even mroe optiosn at the end

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

What's the bet that they will start this while the postage strike is on

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

WATCH SPAIN LIVE ONLY ON LFC TV

LFC TV will become the world's first club channel to broadcast a live competitive full international match when Fernando Torres and his Spanish teammates take on Bosnia-Herzegovina on Wednesday night.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drill...91013-1349.htm

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Hmmm...interesting survey....

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

I have took this survey, tough call on whether i would pay an extra 3 to 5 for those channels. I have all the premium sports channels as it is. I think paying even more for them is a bit tight. But!, if it came down to it i probably would for the sky sports :P

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2009)
 

Just done the survey too. Looks good to me. I'd pay an extra 3-5 pounds for the non sport package.