Originally Posted by socnsum1 (Post 34544370)

Earlier on this week I emailed Virgin Media Customer Services and asked if PC Guard software that they supply would detect spyware such as Phorm, Webwise and OIX. This is the reply that I got from one of their agents on Friday 2 May 2008.

Hi
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Thanks for getting in touch with the Virgin Media Support team.

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If there's anything else we can help with, please let us know.

Kind regards,
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Originally Posted by Frank Rizzo (Post 34544376)

Did Ray know of Phorm before he joined 80/20?

Originally Posted by Florence (Post 34544397)

Simon I did send you a PM but never had a reply even though I had said it wasn't going to be posted public.

Originally Posted by R Jones (Post 34544383)

Don't you just love the skilful way they avoid the question you asked? (about whether their PC Guard would detect Webwise as spyware?)

Dear despised Customer
Thank you for your awkward question. We value our profits highly and we will be avoiding your question as answering it might damage our dividend.
If we can ignore any other questions you might stupidly wish to ask us, please do get in touch.
Kind regards etc. etc.

Originally Posted by 80/20Thinking (Post 34544394)

You stun me. Are you suggesting that Phorm is so momentously important as an issue that he would lie in wait until being invited onto the AB of a privacy organisation that had no connection with Phorm, then capitalise on a 5+ year relationship in the hope that we might at some point in the future be asked to do a PIA on Phorm? Hardly.

Originally Posted by Florence (Post 34543955)

I have decided to bring this post over her Mel has agreed I can quote any posts I wish of his on ISPr..



Surely the minuet Phorm pretends top be the website we wish to visit they are breaking that sites copyright?

Examples

ISPr = Copyright © 1999 to Present - ISPreview.co.uk - All Rights Reserved (Terms, Privacy Policy & Website Rules).

Aquiss = © 2006-2007 Aquiss - http://www.aquiss.net. All Rights Reserved

ebay = Copyright © 1995-2008 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of the eBay User Agreement and Privacy Policy.

Aria = This web page is Copyright 1995-2007 Aria Technology and protected under UK and international law. All rights reserved.
Aria Technology Ltd. | Registered in England. | Company No. 3404773 | google checkout integration and emarketing by visions new media

BBC = http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...43850t-bbc.jpg

Well I could go on for ever but with each one Phorm would pretend to be the site this is something google doesn't do is that a big enough difference for Kent.

Originally Posted by Bonglet (Post 34544253)

I see virgin media has already changed there T&C's to suit phorm

G Your details and how we look after them

2. By having the services we provide installed in your home and/or by using them you are giving us your consent to use your personal information together with other information for the purposes of providing you with our services, service information and updates, administration, credit scoring, customer services, training, tracking use of our services (including processing call, usage, billing, viewing and interactive data), profiling your usage and purchasing preferences for so long as you are a customer and for as long as is necessary for these specified purposes after you terminate your services. We may occasionally use third parties to process your personal information in the ways outlined above. These third parties are permitted to use the data only in accordance with our instructions.

Pity vm dosent say what there instructions are and if they ever leave the country :(.
All this data to share with phorm yay (not) starting to get really peed off with events and people.

Originally Posted by JohnHorb (Post 34544410)

Whilst I agree there is a lot of 'tin-foil hat' around Phorm, I do think that the move from BT to Phorm by

http://www.phorm.com/about/exec_scleparis.php

has made people wary of ANY connections between ex-BT staff and ANYTHING to do with Phorm.

Originally Posted by JohnHorb (Post 34544410)

On a more general point, you do seem to regard Phorm as a minor issue in the grand scheme of things. For example, I think you raised the issue of mass finger-printing. Speaking purely for myself, I see a massive difference between an 'invasion of privacy' for the greater good (prevention/detection of crminality) and invasion of privacy for pure commercial gain. I suspect you won't agree with this perspective, but I think it explains just why Phorm has created such a backlash, whereas other 'privacy' issues haven't.

Originally Posted by JohnHorb

On a more general point, you do seem to regard Phorm as a minor issue in the grand scheme of things.<snip>

Originally Posted by OF1975 (Post 34544442)

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Again I am in complete agreement. There is a huge difference between issues of privacy where the intent is to combat crimes such as child pornography, terrorism, organised crime and invasions of privacy for pure commercial profit. Its very clear where Phorm sits in that spectrum.

Originally Posted by Bonglet

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I agree with johnhorb and qf in that people dont mind with privacy if it is with regard to public protection and stuff but for a spyware company to rewite there code and place it into a box at isp's for financial and commercial profit is insane, no way anyone would want it if told the whole truth lots of people with there fingers caught in pies influencing any decissions made.

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff (Post 34544264)

They also have the Earl of Northesk on their advisory board who has been very outspoken against Phorm in his official capacity as a peer in the House of Lords.

So no I don't see a problem with 80/20 Thinking having influential and important people on their advisory boards.

Originally Posted by serial (Post 34544481)

Has anyone seen any comments on Phorm by Privacy International other than with regards to distancing themselves from the 8020 edorsement fiasco?

Is Phorm such a minor issue that no-one at Privacy International has even looked into it(with a PI hat on)?

Originally Posted by JohnHorb (Post 34544488)

Unfortunately, a google on Phorm and Privacy International will show numerous entries indicating that PI have endorsed the technology. In spite of subsequent clarifications (that PI have NOT endorsed the technology), you can't remove historical info from google.