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Sephiroth 29-12-2018 12:12
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35977183)
The Government should trawl through them all and get rid of any that aren't bringing anything to the table. Those that are have nothing to fear.
The Nazis did something like that (on a different scale of outcome).

papa smurf 29-12-2018 12:16
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35977186)
The Nazis did something like that (on a different scale of outcome).
Well done you just lost your argument with a single post :clap:

Sephiroth 29-12-2018 12:21
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35977187)
Well done you just lost your argument with a single post :clap:
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Angua 29-12-2018 12:23
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35977189)
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Godwins law

denphone 29-12-2018 12:23
Re: Brexit
 
Why The Nazis need to be mentioned in this thread just beggars belief as we are in 2018 and not the war years of 1939 to 1945.:rolleyes:

Sephiroth 29-12-2018 12:30
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35977191)
Why The Nazis need to be mentioned in this thread just beggars belief as we are in 2018 and not the war years of 1939 to 1945.:rolleyes:
Excuse me - the man comes along and wants every EU citizen examined by the government for the contribution they can make to our country. Added to which the "nothing to fear" sentiment was added.

WWII has nothing to do with anything. But certain people before those years were cataloguing people, deporting people they didn't like. The murder aspect is something I expressly stopped short of.




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Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35977190)
So what argument have I lost? Mr Coulter has the opportunity to qualify what he posted, which was rather naked.

heero_yuy 29-12-2018 12:33
Re: Brexit
 
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denphone:


Why The Nazis need to be mentioned in this thread just beggars belief as we are in 2018 and not the war years of 1939 to 1945.:rolleyes:
Godwin's Law.

daveeb 29-12-2018 12:45
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35977182)
There's a whole planet out there to recruit from.
And those from the EU can still apply if their paper work is in order.
NHS does recruit from all around the world but people are more likely to up sticks and relocate when they live geographically close...i.e. in Europe. The 30K rule is ludicrous, how many porters, nurses even junior doctors earn that?

Angua 29-12-2018 12:55
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 35977195)
NHS does recruit from all around the world but people are more likely to up sticks and relocate when they live geographically close...i.e. in Europe. The 30K rule is ludicrous, how many porters, nurses even junior doctors earn that?
£30K is above national average earnings.

Sephiroth 29-12-2018 13:05
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35977196)
£30K is above national average earnings.
The politicians are in self-preservation mode again. Those unthinking wretches judge that immigration must be curbed - not because THEY think that is what Brexit is about, but because they think that a significant number of Leave voters might put immigration at the top of the objectives list.

Getting out of the EU must remain the focus and when the dust settles, they can develop a sensible immigration policy. There's no rush other than to secure the residence rights of EU citizens now here and reciprocal rights for ours over there.

Angua 29-12-2018 13:18
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35977197)
The politicians are in self-preservation mode again. Those unthinking wretches judge that immigration must be curbed - not because THEY think that is what Brexit is about, but because they think that a significant number of Leave voters might put immigration at the top of the objectives list.

Getting out of the EU must remain the focus and when the dust settles, they can develop a sensible immigration policy. There's no rush other than to secure the residence rights of EU citizens now here and reciprocal rights for ours over there.
Yet they have deliberately removed any reference to figures in reducing immigration.

Sephiroth 29-12-2018 13:25
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35977199)
Yet they have deliberately removed any reference to figures in reducing immigration.
So what? They (politicians) are stupid anyway and have no idea what their policy will produce nor has any thought been given to unintended consequences.

They do need to keep out people who have no business being here and who bring their knife culture with them. EU citizens are quite acceptable in my book, provided that the politicians ensure that the NHS grows and that housing grows as well.

EU hegemony and dictation by them is not OK in my book, nor Macron's blackmail, nor Varadkar's perfidy.


RichardCoulter 29-12-2018 13:54
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35977192)
Excuse me - the man comes along and wants every EU citizen examined by the government for the contribution they can make to our country. Added to which the "nothing to fear" sentiment was added.

WWII has nothing to do with anything. But certain people before those years were cataloguing people, deporting people they didn't like. The murder aspect is something I expressly stopped short of.




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So what argument have I lost? Mr Coulter has the opportunity to qualify what he posted, which was rather naked.
Nothing to do with liking people or not, some are here working in hard to fill vacancies or skill shortage areas, have done voluntary work etc. Others have broken the law, are homeless, openly defecate in public, have never done any meaningful remunerative work, have health conditions that are expensive to treat etc.

Getting rid of these would go a long way to appeasing those unhappy with immigration as a whole.

Sephiroth 29-12-2018 14:13
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35977202)
Nothing to do with liking people or not, some are here working in hard to fill vacancies or skill shortage areas, have done voluntary work etc. Others have broken the law, are homeless, openly defecate in public, have never done any meaningful remunerative work, have health conditions that are expensive to treat etc.

Getting rid of these would go a long way to appeasing those unhappy with immigration as a whole.
Like I said ….

1andrew1 29-12-2018 14:35
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35977202)
Getting rid of these would go a long way to appeasing those unhappy with immigration as a whole.
Sorry Richard, but I do agree with Sephiroth that your phrasing, particularly "getting rid of" does come across a bit sinisterly, though I know you would not intend it to have this effect.
A different way would be to say "enforcing existing EU legislation that allows the UK and other countries to deport non-working citizens from other EU countries."
(The criteria is that have not worked for six months and cannot produce compelling evidence that they are continuing to seek employment and have a genuine chance of being engaged.)


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