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:tu:

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Well... someone brought blue passports into the conversation which can only be for nostalgia. Even though Croatia use blue and are in the EU.

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Funny that isn’t it, a recent example on here, just last night, is proof that is sometimes difficult to achieve !

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Every one has an opinion, doesn't make them right. It's a strange quirk occurring at the moment that hauliers who go to Switzerland and experience delays at the border are treated the same as some berk who has never left Coventry and given the same amount of air time on telly to espouse their views.

Someone else's opinion that's been ignored is Patrick Minford who said manufacturing would largely be eliminated post brexit, wonder who voted for that? I do kind of get the Minford ignoring though to be fair, he has been wrong before after all, let's hope he is again for the sake of them oop north

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Now 75, Patrick Minford tends to be heard through Economists for Free Trade (formerly Economists for Brexit).

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That's him, smug Jacob's pal

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Post 5565 is a prime example of why it's hard to achieve and is the reason I didn't want to take part in that debate. I was making one point and that was all.

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Indeed.

Dismissing possibilities that are “could” out of hand on that basis ignores one important element which is “likelihood”. If 100 things are in a list of bad things that could reasonably happen it’d take a stroke of luck for none to happen.

Similarly we “could” strike excellent trade deals outside the EU with no evidence we will.

It’s obvious the leave campaign has one last stand which is to deny a public vote on the basis it’s anti-democratic and fight for the same outcome. Engaging in the merits of leaving or remaining is a recipe for defeat.

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One last stand? . . you make it sound like a 1956 western

It's obvious that Leave won the referendum, and just as obvious that Remain are trying every trick in the book to overturn the result.

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This is the other trick: to imply that a further democratic vote is undemocratic. Which is impossible. It’s by definition an exercise in democracy.

David Cameron’s Government ceased to exist when he resigned. The Conservative Party further rolled the dice and lost out. They shouldn’t make promises they can’t keep, I agree, but it’s foolish to bind ourselves to that document unnecessarily on that basis.

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Do we upsurp democracy every time we have a general election ? Soon be 2019, 3 years since the Brexit vote, the electorate and opinions change, they are probably a lot more informed now than they were during the campaign of lies.

Hate and division seems to be the bright new future, I despair at the way the country is going, and not just because of Brexit. Poverty is increasing as are the number of homeless dying. Austerity and selfish attitude of many has taken its toll. Brexit is going to make things worse I'm afraid with an increasing rich/poor divide. Areas of the country that benefitted from EU help ie. most outside the SE, will be hit hard. Boris and Jacob will be ok though...

Anyway, let's have a Brexit armistice for Xmas ! Peace and goodwill to all men and all that cobblers ! I'm off for a walk in the sunshine to desperately try and think of happy things :)

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Happy Christmas one and all on the Brexit thread. I may not have agreed with everything everyone said but it wouldn't be a debate otherwise!
Thanks to the moderators for their hard work in keeping us all in check and here's to a good break and interesting 2019.

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It wasn’t binding. It was unconstitutional, and unfortunate, for Cameron to give that impression. No matter how many people believed it has no legal effect.

Democracy can never usurp democracy in our Parliamentary system. It’s impossible for a second vote to be unlawful if this Parliament enables it.