Cable Forum - Britain outside the EU

Starmer is deluded and a fool. He is obsessed with the older, red wall, voters when he does not need to be. He needs to focus on the newer voters who are fast replacing the older, right of centre ones.

He has no imagination, more's the pity. He should nuance the debate towards a transition to a EFTA style of arrangement to revive the economy together with a re-invention of the tax regime to channel monies back to the majority.

That's exactly how I feel. I find shouting at the TV whenever he is talking is the only source of comfort :sleep:

OLD BOY

19-09-2023 08:15

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36160203)

Brexit has happened and this country will not be rejoining the EU but at last we have someone who will try to improve the utterly crap deal that Boris Johnson signed up for.

In exchange for taking a share of the immigrants in the EU. Brilliant!

1andrew1

19-09-2023 09:19

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36160315)

In exchange for taking a share of the immigrants in the EU. Brilliant!

That's incorrect. You're conflating two separate matters.

There's a couple of quick wins here - an agreement on the recognition of professional qualifications and striking a veterinary agreement with the EU to reduce costly and onerous border checks. Doubtless more too.

denphone

19-09-2023 09:24

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36160315)

In exchange for taking a share of the immigrants in the EU. Brilliant!

Proof?, rather then reading the front pages of your favourite newspapers or grifting politicians.

tweetiepooh

19-09-2023 09:33

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So if you think that more leftist parties are going to be less relevant will we go back to Tories and Whigs? (Conservative and Liberal)

1andrew1

19-09-2023 11:07

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36160321)

So if you think that more leftist parties are going to be less relevant will we go back to Tories and Whigs? (Conservative and Liberal)

I think this comment may be intended for another thread.

ianch99

19-09-2023 12:12

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36160323)

I think this comment may be intended for another thread.

or another century?

tweetiepooh

20-09-2023 11:43

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Just commenting that if Labour have lost out because of whatever the Tories need some competition. After all Conservative and Liberal are natural competition and were before Labour came along. But yes further discussion doesn't fit here too well except Liberals tend to be the pro-EU and the Tories less so.

1andrew1

28-09-2023 18:31

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Will be interesting to see if this gets much media coverage.

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The UK has been fined €32mn by the EU’s top court for allowing pleasure boats to use lower-tax red diesel in a case that lawyers say sets a precedent for future disputes.

The European Court of Justice imposed a higher penalty than expected in a warning to the country that while it has left the bloc it is bound by some of its rules because Northern Ireland remains in the single market.

It based the fine on the size of the UK economy rather than just the Northern Irish one.

https://www.ft.com/content/9153d235-...e-08d0c14546ce

TheDaddy

28-09-2023 18:52

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36160859)

Will be interesting to see if this gets much media coverage.

https://www.ft.com/content/9153d235-...e-08d0c14546ce

We didn't vote for this, it's not what we were promised

Sephiroth

28-09-2023 19:01

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36160859)

Will be interesting to see if this gets much media coverage.

https://www.ft.com/content/9153d235-...e-08d0c14546ce

Love it. A great fight to be picked.

1andrew1

28-09-2023 20:52

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36160863)

Love it. A great fight to be picked.

The government won't challenge this - it took three years to implement a law in Northern Ireland through its own incompetence.

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The Luxembourg-based court also said it levied a higher fine because London took so long to comply with a judgment dating from 2018.

Under EU law only commercial boats are allowed to use lower taxed fuel, but by dying all marine fuel red it was impossible to distinguish if pleasure craft were paying the full rate, it said.

The UK did not change the law governing marine fuel in Northern Ireland to comply with the EU rules until October 2021.

The court said the UK should be charged a similar fee to that paid by a member state breaching the law.

https://www.ft.com/content/cc7f950f-...3-c6f93209dede

Ms NTL

29-09-2023 11:46

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I am a Remainer. ....

Can we have Jersey and Isle of Man free of EU to do business?

ianch99

29-09-2023 15:31

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Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36160887)

I am a Remainer. ....

Can we have Jersey and Isle of Man free of EU to do business?

Looking to launder a lot of money? :D