Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Considering you ended your post by accusing me of putting words in your mouth, this is a very odd way for you to start off. :confused:

I am in no doubt about your separatist views but I promise you I don't share them. I used to have long and very interesting discussions about this with my grandfather-in-law, who was an ardent SNP voter.

The thing is, you are looking for the BBC to treat its world cup coverage according to the way you want the British Isles to be, rather than the way it is. Right now, we have four home nations which comprise one single nation state. Our TV, therefore, needs to strike the same balance. In a tournament in which England is the only home nation playing, I think they have it about right.

:shrug:

Your impression of how TV works in this country is so muddled I don't know where to begin.

BBC Scotland is a regional TV service in exactly the same way as BBC North (based in Manchester) BBC West Midlands (Birmingham) and BBC London (obvious). The clue is in the name: BBC. B for British. Each regional operation is compelled to carry certain national programming and is allowed to diverge from the schedule to show programmes of more local interest where appropriate. BBC operations in Glasgow, Cardiff and Belfast get more autonomy in recognition that they are providing for more than just a region like northwest England or the Midlands, but the principle that they are subsidiary operations is unchanged.

You pay the same TV licence as someone in England, yes. And all that money goes to London, where a budget is set and the varying offices all get a cut. BBC Scotland in Glasgow is funded out a single, national, British budget. You don't get Scottish coverage of the world cup because it is not the remit of BBC Scotland (or any other BBC Region) to provide coverage of international events (or even national, i.e. British ones).

As for 'STV' ... well doesn't this kind of give you a clue that most people don't feel the same way you do? Although it is part of the ITV network, STV is an independent company. Yet even its bosses at home in Scotland would rather broadcast the networked British ITV feed than produce their own. Why do you think this is?

You mentioned newspapers. Fine, Aberdeen has the P&J, Edinburgh has the Scotsman, Glasgow has the Herald. But then Liverpool and North Wales has the Daily Post, Newcastle and the North has the Journal. Big deal. Regional morning papers which combine regional and national news.

Incidentally, for the benefit of anyone who thinks you are the definitive voice of Scotland on this issue, my missus (who is Scottish) is reading this over my shoulder and asking why anyone would think Scotland should get separate coverage. ;)

You were watching Brazil v Australia as presented by a British TV operation for a British TV audience, the majority of whom would be interested to know about Michael Owen. No big deal.

Hello pot, this is kettle calling ... :)

They are not going to regionalise the coverage for the reasons I've outlined above. And they are going to continue discussing England during non-England games because this is a perfectly reasonable thing to do when most of the audience is interested in what they have to say.

I just can't get my head round your mind-set on this. I was not remotely offended by the comment made during coverage that Celtic (and possibly even Rangers) fans would be cheering when yer man Henrik claimed Sweden's second goal against us the other night. That was a commentary link back to Scotland, who were not playing ... yet I don't have any need to want them to shut up about Scotland.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Im just telling it like it is, we do not want to hear consitantly hear about England whilst watching matches that have nothing to do with them.

There are ways in which this can happen yet the BBC and ITV choose not too.

Therefore the sooner then English team go out - the better - and then the rest of the "UK" can get some peace and enjoy the World Cup.

I will leave you with this as i apparently am far from the only one not happy with motty and his ramblings...

http://www.express.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=82

---------- Post added at 14:17 ---------- Previous post was at 14:15 ----------

You call him a dunce yet forget that it is in fact NOT an english football show but one shown nationwide which is SUPPOSED to be about all the teams participating in the World Cup.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

OK then, if you're going to be such a pedant:


If he's bored at the mention of the England team, he might be best off advised NOT to pundit on BRITISH football show, where the only BRITISH TEAM TO QUALIFY IS ENGLAND. :rolleyes: :dunce:

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

I think Leonardo last night was more bemused at the treatment of Ronaldo by the BBC crew than any mentions of England. Stuff like "I predict a diet", calling him a penguin and "Der Blobby". Not want you expect to hear from so-called professionals talking about one of the World's Greats.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

But that was just about Motty in general, nothing to do with which teams he was rambling about. Whats' your point? :shrug:

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No, you don't want to hear it. I know it's not just you, but it's not everyone, either. Don't forget that 10% of the inhabitants of Scotland is English, for starters. ;)

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Yes, and most of the red button hitters were probably listening to Radio 5 Live commentary instead, which is just as much pro-England as any other.

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Think of it as a backhanded compliment. He's about a stone overweight (according to Martin O'Neil) but he still managed to put two past Japan. :D

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

TBR, do not take this the wrong way, as I am a Jock (living in Yorkshire, so the worst of both worlds).
BBC transmits to the whole of the UK (and further, but for the sake of this discussion let's just talk/type about the UK).
Population figures
NI = 1.7m
Wales = 2.9m
Scotland = 5m
England = 50m

So the likelyhood of any watching is that they are 10 times more likely to be a Sassenach than a Jock - market forces.

If you lived in Glasgow, how would you like it if your programmes had to be filtered/changed for the population of Invercaldy ?

Let's all just live together in peace, man :handshake :hugs: :drunk:

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Just read this - it tickled me -

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To be honest, I agree with Orior here. I don't expect anyone else to support England. I mean we are different teams. Just because we are all in the Union doesn't mean that they are obliged to support England. If they do, they do...if they don't, they don't.

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

Im one of them... Whats your point?

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

I have no objection to anyone NOT supporting England. It's the anyone BUT england attitude I find churlish. :shrug:

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Churlish - :dunce: :p:

Re: The anyone but England thread!
 

My point is, you said:

"we do not want to hear consitantly hear about England whilst watching matches that have nothing to do with them."

Who is 'we'? I think you are trying to speak on behalf of people who may not agree with you.