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Carth

18-06-2020 22:13

Re: Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36040305)

I’m officially bored of the BLM Issue, Lisa Nandy and the BBC, with the absolute laughable reaction and reporting Of what Dominic Raab said today about the “taking the knee” action.

I wish Aliens would invade, or Yellowstone erupt or something.

They’re failing to take the country with them.

Well that's at least two of us then :tu:

. . . *slouches off to You Tube to watch some Bernard Manning . . or maybe Charlie Williams if it's still there*

nomadking

18-06-2020 22:24

Re: Black Lives Matter

Wondering when they're going to get around denouncing the well-known slave trader, the prophet Muhammad.

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It's thought that as many people were enslaved in the Eastern slave trade as in the Atlantic slave trade.
It's ironic that when the Atlantic slave trade was abolished the Eastern trade expanded, suggesting that for some Africans the abolition of the Atlantic trade didn't lead to freedom, but merely changed their slave destination.
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The legality of slavery in Islam, together with the example of the Prophet Muhammad, who himself bought, sold, captured, and owned slaves, may explain why slavery persisted until the 19th century in many places (and later still in some countries). The impetus for the abolition of slavery came largely from colonial powers, although some Muslim thinkers argued strongly for abolition.

So the "colonial powers" were last in, and first out, yet they are the ones criticised.

Hugh	18-06-2020 22:31

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36040332)

Wondering when they're going to get around denouncing the well-known slave trader, the prophet Muhammad.

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So the "colonial powers" were last in, and first out, yet they are the ones criticised.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1592512247

Paul	18-06-2020 22:31

Re: Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36040327)

I don't think that race should lead to any more (or less) favourable treatment. It fuels and causes resentment etc and outweighs any positives that arise from such measures.

Unfortunately, this isnt what happens.

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In 2019, the English Football League adopted a mandatory recruitment code aligned with the NFL's Rooney Rule.

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It means clubs must interview at least one BAME candidate for a managerial vacancy.

This kind of stupidity does nothing to help race relations or racial harmony, you can imagine the "outrage" if it were reversed.

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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 36040318)

So do not put any black brothers on any product. The world's gone mad.

Yep, the insanity continues :dozey:

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The Rugby Football Union (RFU) is reviewing England fans' use of Swing Low, Sweet Chariot, saying many do not know about its links with slavery.

Look out Paul & Stevie, they'll be banning Ebony & Ivory at this rate. :erm:

BenMcr

18-06-2020 22:32

Re: Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36040332)

Wondering when they're going to get around denouncing the well-known slave trader, the prophet Muhammad.

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So the "colonial powers" were last in, and first out, yet they are the ones criticised.

Bringing religion into it always works well...
https://www.churchofengland.org/more...se-over-racism

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Members unanimously backed a motion to ‘lament’ and apologise for conscious and unconscious racism encountered by ‘countless’ black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) Anglicans arriving in Britain from 1948 and in subsequent years, when seeking to find a home in the Church of England.

Paul	18-06-2020 22:34

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apologise for unconscious racism ? They really have lost the plot.

Pierre

18-06-2020 22:36

Re: Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36040330)

Well that's at least two of us then :tu:

. . . *slouches off to You Tube to watch some Bernard Manning . . or maybe Charlie Williams if it's still there*

The thing is, I believe, British people are tolerant, accepting, just want to get along, don’t like fuss, don’t like being pushed around, are quiet in public but have strong views in private.

The longer this bollocks goes on the weaker The BLM / antifa, Call them what you will, Position will become.

I accept all the arguments of colonialism, slave trading. But in the UK.

We did not have slaves. (Arguably the white working class were not far removed)

We did not have the KKK and lynch mobs going around killing black people

We do not have a scandal of police killing black people.

Racism exists, of course it does, but inequality exists at all levels against all ethnicities, and should be tackled together with no one group given priority- surely that is equality?

BenMcr

18-06-2020 22:39

Re: Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36040338)

apologise for unconscious racism ? They really have lost the plot.

Unconscious bias is a well known thing, it isn't a specific to racism.

https://royalsociety.org/topics-poli...onscious-bias/

Paul	18-06-2020 22:43

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36040340)

Unconscious bias is a well known thing, it isn't a specific to racism.

https://royalsociety.org/topics-poli...onscious-bias/

I never said it cant exist. Apologising for it however is just nuts.

ianch99

18-06-2020 22:52

Re: Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36040336)

Bringing religion into it always works well...
https://www.churchofengland.org/more...se-over-racism

This seems one of the conscious ones:

Black Durham trainee vicar denied job at 'white' church

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A black trainee vicar was rejected for a job by church bosses who said his potential parishioners were "monochrome white working class".

In an email sent in response to his application, Augustine Tanner-Ihm was told he "might feel uncomfortable" in the curacy role at the parish.

The email said despite his "obvious gifts", it was "not worth pursuing a conversation" about the vacancy in southern England.

Carth

18-06-2020 22:57

Re: Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36040339)

<snip> . . . inequality exists at all levels against all ethnicities, and should be tackled together with no one group given priority- surely that is equality?

Absolutely, and it's too easy to forget (or dismiss) the others when one (the largest? ) is in the headlines :Yes:

nomadking

18-06-2020 23:12

Re: Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36040344)

This seems one of the conscious ones:

Black Durham trainee vicar denied job at 'white' church

Like there aren't a whole bunch of black only churches.

BenMcr

18-06-2020 23:52

Re: Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36040347)

Like there aren't a whole bunch of black only churches.

There are black majority churches yes, but I'd be interested in any examples you can find of where a white person was excluded from them.

1andrew1

18-06-2020 23:53

Re: Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36040347)

Like there aren't a whole bunch of black only churches.

Which ones?

nomadking

19-06-2020 00:10

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Reality and truth are strange concepts to some.:rolleyes:

To suggest they don't exist is just delusional.

In the Real World.
List of Black Churches on "Operation Black Vote" Website.
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What on earth are Black Majority Churches (BMCs)?
The history of BMCs in London is very phenomenal because within a short period of 60 years they have grown from rejection to influence, that is, from Windrush (the famous ship that brought Caribbean migrants in 1948) to Jesus House!
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However, this is not the first BMC in Britain. That honour goes to a church founded by John Jea in the early 19th century. After a fruitful itinerant ministry in North America and Europe, John settled down in Portsmouth, England with his wife, Mary and possibly started a church in their house circa 1805-1815.

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