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We've had the same around 3:10 this morning. Our cupboards and freezers are well stocked anyway so no need to buy any extra. Plenty of toilet rolls as well because Lidl had a half price promotion a couple of weeks ago.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36027410)

This guy in this video explains in laymen terms why the government is doing things different to other countries...

That's a good way of explaining it in layman's terms. The only problem I can see though is that AFAIK they still aren't sure if people can catch it again after having had it once and recovered.

If they can, what next?

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36027416)

You can’t catch the same virus again. If it mutates rapidly, you could catch a mutated form later, but that would technically not be the same virus. So far scientists have identified many dozens of mutated variations on the original infection but they are all essentially still the same virus. To give you some idea how far a coronavirus might have to mutate in order to become sufficiently different to cause reinfection, a Dutch laboratory has had some early success with a vaccine for SARS1, which killed around 7,000 people in 2002-2003. SARS1 and the present virus are both coronaviruses; the present one is also designated SARS2. So even though this one is sufficiently different to be a distinct virus, immunity against one does appear, at this stage, to confer immunity against the other.

In any case, the government’s present strategy would still protect against the coronavirus causing covid-19.

I also don’t believe at present there is any credible evidence that this virus exhibits rapid mutation leading to so-called re-infection. There are a couple of anecdotal reports but these are being pounced on by a global news media whose entire operation has now been given over to coronavirus coverage. They’re going to repeat anything anyone says about it, without necessarily assessing its credibility or assigning its proper significance first.

BREAKING: Spain's COVID-19 death toll has more than doubled overnight, the countries health minister stated that Spain has recorded 288 deaths since the start of the pandemic, up from 136 yesterday. In 24 hours, it saw 7,753 confirmed infections, up from 5,700 the day before with around half of them concentrated in the capital of Madrid. Souce: Associated Press.

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Germany reportedly closing borders to France, Switzerland, Austria tomorrow.

The EU's main legacy, Freedom of Movement comes to an abrubt end, albeit for now.

About four weeks too late.

[QUOTE=Mick;36027418]BREAKING: Spain's COVID-19 death toll has more than doubled overnight, the countries health minister stated that Spain has recorded 288 deaths since the start of the pandemic, up from 136 yesterday. In 24 hours, it saw 7,753 confirmed infections, up from 5,700 the day before with around half of them concentrated in the capital of Madrid. Souce: Associated Press.

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Germany reportedly closing borders to France, Switzerland, Austria tomorrow.

The EU's main legacy, Freedom of Movement comes to an abrubt end, albeit for now.[/QUOTE

Isn't it strange, Freedom of Movement was, up until now, sacrosanct by the EU. Now, when it suits them, it's simply thrown out of the window! How can EU countries close their borders and remain within EU law? Perhaps there's a clause in the legislation to allow for this sort of thing, I don't know.

Pandemics are now another reason why I don't agree with Freedom of Movement.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36027421)

Isn't it strange, Freedom of Movement was, up until now, sacrosanct by the EU. Now, when it suits them, it's simply thrown out of the window! How can EU countries close their borders and remain within EU law? Perhaps there's a clause in the legislation to allow for this sort of thing, I don't know.

Pandemics are now another reason why I don't agree with Freedom of Movement.

There were always legal provisions for emergencies, the sacrosanct nature was the reason it wasn't closed sooner.

A update from the Department of Health and Social Care.

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Department of Health and Social Care

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UPDATE on coronavirus (#COVID19) testing in the UK:
As of 9am on 15 March, a total of 40,279 have been tested:
38,907 negative
1,372 positive

Across the UK, 35 patients who tested positive for coronavirus (COVID-19) have sadly died.

https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status...14816860016640

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...onavirus-cases

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36027424)

Across the UK, 35 patients who tested positive for coronavirus (COVID-19) have sadly died.

Died of what though ?
The fact they tested positive doesnt necessarily mean the virus was the cause of their death, its rather vague on that.

It’s statistically unlikely that it wasn’t a factor in the vast, vast majority of them.

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36027431)

Died of what though ?
The fact they tested positive doesnt necessarily mean the virus was the cause of their death, its rather vague on that.

l cannot answer that but l agree it is rather vague.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36027432)

It’s statistically unlikely that it wasn’t a factor in the vast, vast majority of them.

Here is more just released from NHS Trusts.

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NHS Trusts have released the following details:

Barking, Havering and Redbridge University Hospitals NHS Trust said a 72-year-old patient who tested positive for Covid-19 and had significant other health conditions had died at Queen’s hospital.

Epsom and St Heliere University Hospitals NHS Trust said that a man in his 80s who was being cared for at Epsom Hospital, and a man in his 60s being cared for at St Helier Hospital had both died. Both patients had underlying health conditions.

George Eliot Hospital NHS Trust said that a woman in her 70s with underlying health conditions who was being cared for at George Eliot Hospital in Nuneaton had died.

Guy’s and St Thomas’ NHS Foundation Trust said a patient in her early 90s who had underlying health conditions had died.

Manchester University NHS Foundation Trust said a man who was being cared for at Wythenshawe Hospital had died. He was aged 91 and had underlying health conditions.

Mid Essex Hospital Service NHS Trust said a patient in her 90s with underlying health conditions had died.

Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust confirmed that a patient in his 90s who was being cared for at Queens Medical Centre had died.

North Manchester Greater Hospital said two patients, both of whom were elderly and had underlying health problems, had died. One of the patients was a man in his 80s and the other was a woman in her 70s.

Royal Wolverhampton NHS Trust said a woman who was being cared for at New Cross Hospital had passed away. She was in her 60s and had underlying health conditions.

Tameside and Glossop Integrated Care NHS Foundation Trust said a man in his 80s with underlying health conditions had died.

Dudley Group NHS Foundation confirmed a patient in their 80s who was being treated for underlying health conditions had died.

Some might have died anyway due to their underlying condition and the fact that they had the virus was neither here nor there (but it won't have exactly helped the situation).

I suspect though that the overwhelming majority died because the virus exacerbated their underlying condition or that they died because the virus itself effectively suffocated them.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36027444)

If you take it to the extreme we're all dying anyway.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36027449)

If you take it to the extreme we're all dying anyway.

That is taking it to the extreme.

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36027374)

And how will this be enforced?

It’s not going to be enforced, it is asking over 70’s for their own good.